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I honestly thought this would be an OK map until I checked out the mods and you said the following
Look at MiddleIsland - Roze mapped by Lan wings, the patterns are obviously copy and pasted, but the spacing choices, the flow, the brokenness of everything could really show how sadness can be expressive and gentle both through repetitiveness; THIS is how you get an emotional response from the player. It is to actively challenge their interpretation for the song your mapping while making it playable. Look at Nhato - Miss You mapped by HanzeR, again obviously copy and pasted and repetitive, but it portrayed sinking feeling that this loneliness will never go away no matter how hard we try to reach the person we want to be with, as it has this constant back and forth flow that goes no where, paired with constant momentum changes.
There's honestly so many way you could've represent suffering and loneliness, but I disagree mapping it like many other hexagrid maps out there, there's very little difference to be drawn from your map and those hexagrid maps.
so in conclusion your map is objectively ok so there's really no reason to dq it,also even if I try you would've just said it is up to interpretation and give yourself a pat on the back. But I really have to say is that this map has really low replayability since in all honesty, a pretty normal and simple map that many mappers out there can do the same, and rank it without saying "it's supposed to have a deeper meaning".
it's nice to know that there are mappers out there who care about emotional response but the execution of the theme is really weak imo.Yukiyo wrote:
Sohuld I do a statement ... yes I think so well: This map is my way of interpretation this song. And this song really means alot to me (insert sad lyf story here) well now for the slow parts I interpretated them as suffer and loneliness and that is just repetive just like the feelings. I have experienced it myself If you are lonely you aren't just for one day ... now the contrast I have to the jumpy parts are the happy parts of life. They have alot of energy and thus are really energetic as expressed with the big jumps.
ok so being repetitive justifies the constant small spacing with little to no spacing emphasis? this sounds like it is bland more than it is about suffering and loneliness, repetitiveness is not exclusive to suffering and loneliness, it can be applied to various other emotion like excitement, fear, joy, disgust. If you change this song for another happy song, you could change your theme into "I interpretated them as happiness and that is just repetitive just like the feeling". you didn't do AnythingSpecial I hate myself for typing this lol that would tell the player that it is in fact about suffering and loneliness, the fact that you chose hexagrid mapping didn't help, as i honestly thought you were just going for a very safe style that is comfortable pretty much for everyone to play, I would've never imagine there was suffering and loneliness involved.Yukiyo wrote:
I interpretated them as suffer and loneliness and that is just repetitive just like the feeling
Look at MiddleIsland - Roze mapped by Lan wings, the patterns are obviously copy and pasted, but the spacing choices, the flow, the brokenness of everything could really show how sadness can be expressive and gentle both through repetitiveness; THIS is how you get an emotional response from the player. It is to actively challenge their interpretation for the song your mapping while making it playable. Look at Nhato - Miss You mapped by HanzeR, again obviously copy and pasted and repetitive, but it portrayed sinking feeling that this loneliness will never go away no matter how hard we try to reach the person we want to be with, as it has this constant back and forth flow that goes no where, paired with constant momentum changes.
There's honestly so many way you could've represent suffering and loneliness, but I disagree mapping it like many other hexagrid maps out there, there's very little difference to be drawn from your map and those hexagrid maps.
so in conclusion your map is objectively ok so there's really no reason to dq it,
Placement is pretty good honestly. It's similar to my mapping style, but there are still some obvious differences, especially in how you treat circle > slider. Stuff like this:
Also you seem a lot more lenient towards overlaps, which is something I would always stray away from: 01:26:674 (2,3,4,5) - 00:20:424 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Some things to consider in the future though, your verse sections are really dull because you stick to 1.00x DS for so much of the section. There are almost no emphatic uses of jumps, and using 1.00x DS does reduce the amount of interesting patterns you can use. There's a disparity between verse sections and kiai sections as a result, its definitely something to consider on future maps.
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I do have to say though, 00:27:567 (1,3) - and 00:45:334 (1) - those repeats are really hard to see...
And the streams on 04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - sound really overmapped because the drum roll stops after 04:07:566 - xP Or fades to the point where it's really hard to hear. If you believe there is still a soft drum roll there, a change of spacing could really help distinguish it from earlier sections.
The rhythms you used were really similar to my map haha. But in terms of placement yea, I think theres a good amount of differences. The map that most accurately copies my mapping style is still probably: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/221954
Don't kill me Lust
Also you seem a lot more lenient towards overlaps, which is something I would always stray away from: 01:26:674 (2,3,4,5) - 00:20:424 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Some things to consider in the future though, your verse sections are really dull because you stick to 1.00x DS for so much of the section. There are almost no emphatic uses of jumps, and using 1.00x DS does reduce the amount of interesting patterns you can use. There's a disparity between verse sections and kiai sections as a result, its definitely something to consider on future maps.
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I do have to say though, 00:27:567 (1,3) - and 00:45:334 (1) - those repeats are really hard to see...
And the streams on 04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - sound really overmapped because the drum roll stops after 04:07:566 - xP Or fades to the point where it's really hard to hear. If you believe there is still a soft drum roll there, a change of spacing could really help distinguish it from earlier sections.
The rhythms you used were really similar to my map haha. But in terms of placement yea, I think theres a good amount of differences. The map that most accurately copies my mapping style is still probably: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/221954
Don't kill me Lust
Really nice hitsounding! >w<
With this really good work on hitsounded I expected a better mapping style then a copy-pasta of monstrata's doritos. But w/e.
But please this preview point, horrible.
04:47:299 (6) - like I would put it here.. =w=
04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also, please like why did you do that ?
03:08:281 (3) - Makes we really sad when you put the reverse on a voice downbeat tbh. Since you did 03:14:174 (3) - here the greatest solution for this rythmn.
04:47:477 (8) - Why did you map here since those 2 previous Kiai you didn't ? RIP Consistency. (triggered)
05:25:621 (4) - This stack is off.
Aaaaa i'm really happy about hitsounding! Like it makes me feel "woah this guy is not lazy at all" but the fact it's a copy pasta of monstrata's mapping, it doesn't match together, maybe I'm wrong and you not copy, but i'm not so sure, since like ALL your jumps are same etc...
Like you could say that if it was "inspired" of monstrata old mapping style, but like 100% of your map is the same as his. Please.
With this really good work on hitsounded I expected a better mapping style then a copy-pasta of monstrata's doritos. But w/e.
But please this preview point, horrible.
04:47:299 (6) - like I would put it here.. =w=
04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also, please like why did you do that ?
03:08:281 (3) - Makes we really sad when you put the reverse on a voice downbeat tbh. Since you did 03:14:174 (3) - here the greatest solution for this rythmn.
04:47:477 (8) - Why did you map here since those 2 previous Kiai you didn't ? RIP Consistency. (triggered)
05:25:621 (4) - This stack is off.
Aaaaa i'm really happy about hitsounding! Like it makes me feel "woah this guy is not lazy at all" but the fact it's a copy pasta of monstrata's mapping, it doesn't match together, maybe I'm wrong and you not copy, but i'm not so sure, since like ALL your jumps are same etc...
Like you could say that if it was "inspired" of monstrata old mapping style, but like 100% of your map is the same as his. Please.
Hey Yukiyo, as there is a lot being mentioned concerning your map, I'm disqualifying it. Please take your time to look through the pointed up issues and fix them accordingly (or give a proper response why you denied).
GL~
GL~
I want this map ranked so I "help" yukiyo on disagreeing with peopleSotarks wrote:
Really nice hitsounding! >w<
With this really good work on hitsounded I expected a better mapping style then a copy-pasta of monstrata's doritos. But w/e. thats than haha stupid
But please this preview point, horrible.
04:47:299 (6) - like I would put it here.. =w=
04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also, please like why did you do that ? I'm pretty sure that's there because of the guitar
03:08:281 (3) - Makes we really sad when you put the reverse on a voice downbeat tbh. Since you did 03:14:174 (3) - here the greatest solution for this rythmn. I agree with that actually
04:47:477 (8) - Why did you map here since those 2 previous Kiai you didn't ? RIP Consistency. (triggered) I actually preffer this one than the previous two
05:25:621 (4) - This stack is off. that stack is with 05:26:336 (2) -
Aaaaa i'm really happy about hitsounding! Like it makes me feel "woah this guy is not lazy at all" but the fact it's a copy pasta of monstrata's mapping, it doesn't match together, maybe I'm wrong and you not copy, but i'm not so sure, since like ALL your jumps are same etc...
Like you could say that if it was "inspired" of monstrata old mapping style, but like 100% of your map is the same as his. Please. I don't see why mapping like monstrata is even a bad thing to begin with
If you really want to help the mapper on his map is not with this attitude about disagreeing with poeple that will actually help Yukiyo.CptBlackBird wrote:
I want this map ranked so I "help" yukiyo on disagreeing with people
I don't get your point here tbh.
I think you should let the mapper decide if he actually disagree or not, you have nothing to deal with.
I find it funny that you point that out, because I have a completely different issue with this: Comparing the first verse with the section prior to it, 00:13:281 -, there is basically zero difference between these sections as they use the same SV, spacing and rhythm-density (except for the occasional triplets) - I quickly pointed that out to Yukiyo a few days ago, and he reasoned it with (summarized) "since the music is different, it already creates a different feeling when playing so there's no need to map it differently" - which I wholeheartedly disagree. This completely ignores the song, if you think that's a valid reason then you could even justify a map that is 100% the same throughout the whole song with it. So idk about Monstrata thinking that it's dull but imo it's completely overdone when compared to the section prior to it, but even without comparing it, the rhythm density just feels extremely forced - The rhythms here seem to focus on nothing particular at all except monotonous 1/1-rhythms, even when a prominent layer has offbeat-rhythms for a bit, and even overmapping many notes where not even the extremely insignificant 'percussion'-thingy has notes.. I'd like to hear some more opinions on this lol, Lasse responded to me mentioning that with 'but it's not bad for a first map' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Monstrata wrote:
Some things to consider in the future though, your verse sections are really dull because you stick to 1.00x DS for so much of the section. There are almost no emphatic uses of jumps, and using 1.00x DS does reduce the amount of interesting patterns you can use. There's a disparity between verse sections and kiai sections as a result, its definitely something to consider on future maps.
for the record, I do think that this map is generally well-made, it's just this one major aspect that destroys it all for me
also who the hell cares if this map reminds you of Monstrata's style, there's thousands of maps out there that have the exact same styles xd
also what
Monstrata wrote:
The map that most accurately copies my mapping style is still probably: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/221954
Topic Starter
Well, I guess you could say you all are begging for remaps, at least that's what I am getting from yours.
I mean this is my first attempt going for rank and I am happy that I actually made it into the qualified phase of it.
But all I am getting from your comments is "this is shit" now I might be simpleminded here but well I don't know what to do.
But I just see the same complains over and over again even though I already explained. And I would like contructive feedback but [quote="Sotarks]Also, please like why did you do that ?[/quote] What should I learn from this. Well, I did it because I thought it'd fit. That's it.
It seems like having good maps is so important to the mapping community and thus they are actually hindering noob mapper, like me to have access to such "great success", I guess you could say. Well I know this comment will be destryoed by you as you did with my previous statements. So whatever. Ignoire this if you want.
I mean N0thingSpecial ... I see your point. And I also think that Roze and Miss you are great maps but see the difference, Hanzer and Lan Wings are also absolutly superb mappers in my opinion. I on the other hand am still trying to learn and stuff. I like feedback. But not this of a kind.
Well I did it as far as I wanted to, I qualified this map. Might as well quit osu mapping now.
I mean this is my first attempt going for rank and I am happy that I actually made it into the qualified phase of it.
But all I am getting from your comments is "this is shit" now I might be simpleminded here but well I don't know what to do.
But I just see the same complains over and over again even though I already explained. And I would like contructive feedback but [quote="Sotarks]Also, please like why did you do that ?[/quote] What should I learn from this. Well, I did it because I thought it'd fit. That's it.
It seems like having good maps is so important to the mapping community and thus they are actually hindering noob mapper, like me to have access to such "great success", I guess you could say. Well I know this comment will be destryoed by you as you did with my previous statements. So whatever. Ignoire this if you want.
I mean N0thingSpecial ... I see your point. And I also think that Roze and Miss you are great maps but see the difference, Hanzer and Lan Wings are also absolutly superb mappers in my opinion. I on the other hand am still trying to learn and stuff. I like feedback. But not this of a kind.
Well I did it as far as I wanted to, I qualified this map. Might as well quit osu mapping now.
I can still disagree with you and tell you why what you are saying is bullshitSotarks wrote:
If you really want to help the mapper on his map is not with this attitude about disagreeing with poeple that will actually help Yukiyo.CptBlackBird wrote:
I want this map ranked so I "help" yukiyo on disagreeing with people
I don't get your point here tbh.
I think you should let the mapper decide if he actually disagree or not, you have nothing to deal with.
Did we ever say "your map is shit" ? I'm sorry but I don't see that, your map is pretty good tbh for a first rank! I'm not telling anything about that because when I start ranking I copied monstrata so everybody has to start somewhere.
But you can't react like that when poeple are trying to help you out.
And you know when I'm talking about when I said "WHY U DO DIS" like monstrata said is cleary, there's no reason to map a stream here, since there's no drum sound, it's a bit stupid gameplay wise.
Also the fact that "i quit mapping now" is a not a good behaviour, since you worked hard to make this map what it is actually. So please listen and read to what poeple say to you instead of closing your mind.
But you can't react like that when poeple are trying to help you out.
And you know when I'm talking about when I said "WHY U DO DIS" like monstrata said is cleary, there's no reason to map a stream here, since there's no drum sound, it's a bit stupid gameplay wise.
Also the fact that "i quit mapping now" is a not a good behaviour, since you worked hard to make this map what it is actually. So please listen and read to what poeple say to you instead of closing your mind.
If that is your objective of this map, its pretty sad man.Yukiyo wrote:
Well I did it as far as I wanted to, I qualified this map.
Who the fuck are you to say what I'm saying is bullshit, are you even a mapper that put effort to their map and know enough in modding to judge what I'm saying is bullshit ? I don't think so. Please let the stuff handled by the modders and the mapper itself.CptBlackBird wrote:
I can still disagree with you and tell you why what you are saying is bullshit
Topic Starter
Sotarks wrote:
Did we ever say "your map is shit" ? I'm sorry but I don't see that, your map is pretty good tbh for a first rank! I'm not telling anything about that because when I start ranking I copied monstrata so everybody has to start somewhere.
But you can't react like that when poeple are trying to help you out. Did I actually ever said that you said that "your map is shit" but by the stuff I just read I just got the feel this is the general message (I even explained that I might be simpleminded well...
And you know when I'm talking about when I said "WHY U DO DIS" like monstrata said is cleary, there's no reason to map a stream here, since there's no drum sound, it's a bit stupid gameplay wise. I#ll look into it ... I was just commenting not looking into any "mods" yet >.> I'll fix everything so you can live in peace dw
Also the fact that "i quit mapping now" is a not a good behaviour, since you worked hard to make this map what it is actually. So please listen and read to what poeple say to you instead of closing your mind. Never said I would quit mapping, stop taking and twisting my words like that or I guess we 2 have a different understanding of english
Yukiyo wrote:
Well I did it as far as I wanted to, I qualified this map.
If that is your objective of this map, its pretty sad man.
I never saw a chance to rank anything in the first place Shrug
I knew someone would show up destroying the maps of inferior
CptBlackBird wrote:
I can still disagree with you and tell you why what you are saying is bullshit
Who the fuck are you to say what I'm saying is bullshit, are you even a mapper that put effort to their map and know enough in modding to judge what I'm saying is bullshit ? I don't think so. Please let the stuff handled by the modders and the mapper itself.uuh I'm sotarks and my opinion is superior
and who the fuck are you to tell me that I'm not allowed to disagree with you?
Can you guys keep the personal stuff and whatever out of here and actually discuss the map/given opinions instead?
This isn't helping anyone
thanks
also @Bonsai: my statement about that part was more like "it's okay for me, so it won't hold me back from iconing as the mapper obviously doesn't intend to change it/if it actually bothers people they will discuss it during qualification"
This isn't helping anyone
thanks
also @Bonsai: my statement about that part was more like "it's okay for me, so it won't hold me back from iconing as the mapper obviously doesn't intend to change it/if it actually bothers people they will discuss it during qualification"
I never said my opinion was superior, totally not.CptBlackBird wrote:
CptBlackBird wrote:
I can still disagree with you and tell you why what you are saying is bullshitWho the fuck are you to say what I'm saying is bullshit, are you even a mapper that put effort to their map and know enough in modding to judge what I'm saying is bullshit ? I don't think so. Please let the stuff handled by the modders and the mapper itself.uuh I'm sotarks and my opinion is superior
and who the fuck are you to tell me that I'm not allowed to disagree with you?
I'm just saying you have absolutly no reason to reply for the mapper.
You can disagree with me, but not saying that it's bull shit thanks.
End of the discussion.
Yukiyo wrote:
Sotarks wrote:
Also the fact that "i quit mapping now" is a not a good behaviour, since you worked hard to make this map what it is actually. So please listen and read to what poeple say to you instead of closing your mind. Never said I would quit mapping, stop taking and twisting my words like that or I guess we 2 have a different understanding of english How am I supposed to know that you're joking when you say that? A lot of mapper get frustrated when they get a DQ map like that, so it's not the actual moment to write stuff like that tbh. Focus on your map and on poeple's mod.
Keep thread civil please, or it's going to get locked away. Seriously.
PSA: Writing "WHY U DO DIS" without providing any explanation just bc it seems so obvious to you is not how you help a new mapper.Sotarks wrote:
And you know when I'm talking about when I said "WHY U DO DIS" like monstrata said is cleary, there's no reason to map a stream here, since there's no drum sound, it's a bit stupid gameplay wise.
@Yukiyo: N0thingSpecial didn't point out any specific flaw in your map besides saying that it's nothing special, and Monstrata's and Sotarks' posts where just simple, short points that can probably be applied or reasoned without much effort, so don't feel like they're all out to get you and want you to remap everything, it's just a few points ^^ you can do it ＼＼\\ ٩(`(エ)´ )و //／／
Also no need to get aggressive guys, try to stay calm and constructive instead of insulting each other
I just said after it what I meant here, so it's clear enough.Bonsai wrote:
PSA: Writing "WHY U DO DIS" without providing any explanation just bc it seems so obvious to you is not how you help a new mapper.Sotarks wrote:
And you know when I'm talking about when I said "WHY U DO DIS" like monstrata said is cleary, there's no reason to map a stream here, since there's no drum sound, it's a bit stupid gameplay wise.
I'm getting a headache just from reading you guys disagreeing with the other one who is disagreeing with somebody who may or may not be hosting this mapset.
Can you take your personal stuff about each other to pms? It kinda fills the thread up with things that aren't even talking about the map but more about each other's behaviour, thanks.
It's not like im here to say "end all discussion" it's more like "could you stop discussing each other's opinions or who's thinking what"
Can you take your personal stuff about each other to pms? It kinda fills the thread up with things that aren't even talking about the map but more about each other's behaviour, thanks.
It's not like im here to say "end all discussion" it's more like "could you stop discussing each other's opinions or who's thinking what"
I was just highlighting differences between your map, and my general mapping style. Only the stuff below --- is actually relevant towards quality improvement imo. The 1.00x DS thing is to a degree a style choice too.
Yeah like the map is pretty cool, and really impressive for a first rank, you can actually make it better so why not ? Never take a DQ as a bad thing 
Topic Starter
Monstrata wrote:
Placement is pretty good honestly. It's similar to my mapping style, but there are still some obvious differences, especially in how you treat circle > slider. Stuff like this:
Also you seem a lot more lenient towards overlaps, which is something I would always stray away from: 01:26:674 (2,3,4,5) - 00:20:424 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Well I like them .... People might not I do?!
Some things to consider in the future though, your verse sections are really dull because you stick to 1.00x DS for so much of the section. There are almost no emphatic uses of jumps, and using 1.00x DS does reduce the amount of interesting patterns you can use. There's a disparity between verse sections and kiai sections as a result, its definitely something to consider on future maps. Yes I am applying this in future maps already (I think), but for this map I just like it the way it is and I don't know why
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I do have to say though, 00:27:567 (1,3) - and 00:45:334 (1) - those repeats are really hard to see... Well as I said I seen nobody having problems with it yet
And the streams on 04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - sound really overmapped because the drum roll stops after 04:07:566 - xP Or fades to the point where it's really hard to hear. If you believe there is still a soft drum roll there, a change of spacing could really help distinguish it from earlier sections.
I guess I wasn't listening to the music fixed it temporarily
The rhythms you used were really similar to my map haha. But in terms of placement yea, I think theres a good amount of differences. The map that most accurately copies my mapping style is still probably: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/221954
Don't kill me Lust
Sotarks wrote:
Really nice hitsounding! >w< Thank you
With this really good work on hitsounded I expected a better mapping style then a copy-pasta of monstrata's doritos. But w/e. Please try to not be as offending as you seem to be C: helps out when giving constructive feedback
But please this preview point, horrible.
04:47:299 (6) - like I would put it here.. =w= I have a bug, (dunno if its a bug but multiple people had it also like that) and for me having it placed where it currently is makes the preview point start where the one in Monstrata's map is. if it's different for the mayority I shall change it immediatly
04:07:567 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also, please like why did you do that ? Fixed in above answer
03:08:281 (3) - Makes we really sad when you put the reverse on a voice downbeat tbh. Since you did 03:14:174 (3) - here the greatest solution for this rythmn. yes
04:47:477 (8) - Why did you map here since those 2 previous Kiai you didn't ? RIP Consistency. (triggered) Because I wanted variety
05:25:621 (4) - This stack is off. Not on my end
Aaaaa i'm really happy about hitsounding! Like it makes me feel "woah this guy is not lazy at all" but the fact it's a copy pasta of monstrata's mapping, it doesn't match together, maybe I'm wrong and you not copy, but i'm not so sure, since like ALL your jumps are same etc...
Also reconsider my mod and re-check the timing, please! If you said "drum was drunk anyway" means you know it's off but you just declined it to avoid a DQ haha!
Take things easily, you will get this into the qualified section again sooner than you expect.
Best of lucks!
Take things easily, you will get this into the qualified section again sooner than you expect.
Best of lucks!
Then suggest you to use reasons other than "it was my intention" to the few modders that actually pointed out the issue with the map. It's the quality of the map that people are concerned with, people already think your map is good, it's just that you kinda ignore previous modder's concern which lead to it being DQed now, look at them again and you might find something, I don't even need to give feedback, the feedback was there all along.Yukiyo wrote:
I mean N0thingSpecial ... I see your point. And I also think that Roze and Miss you are great maps but see the difference, Hanzer and Lan Wings are also absolutly superb mappers in my opinion. I on the other hand am still trying to learn and stuff. I like feedback. But not this of a kind.
Topic Starter
I am sorry, I was just so happy that I got it qualified that I didn't want to have someone ruin it. I will reconsider immediatlyYuii- wrote:
Also reconsider my mod and re-check the timing, please! If you said "drum was drunk anyway" means you know it's off but you just declined it to avoid a DQ haha!
Take things easily, you will get this into the qualified section again sooner than you expect.
Best of lucks!
SorryYuii- wrote:
I swear this is a copy-paste of the old monstrata.
Nice usage of hitsounds, by the way, very professional!
Couple of things before we move this forward.
00:27:567 (1,3) - 00:44:710 (1,3) - Repeat is kind of hidden, I'd just recommend you to... not hide it that way lol. As explained before
01:02:567 (3) - That finish on tail seems pretty random. Whistle sounds way better. Same for 01:11:138 (4) - 's repeat. As I said before it is audible in the song so I just translated it over to the histounds ^^"
01:26:674 (2,5) - Overlap is visual in-game, nothing major though. Yes, it might be but I haven't seen any players complain yet or well I do think it will not be noticeable to players... also I do not know how how to fix this actually do you have any suggestions? I want to keep the triple and blanket if possible it fits just so well~
01:27:567 - On this section in particular, you could've started increasing the spacing a little bit. Using the same distance as the previous rhythm isn't the best idea.I see your point and I partly agree though I would have to remap the near whole map to these and other DS realted problems
01:46:335 (4) - If you are going for the flow-break on 01:46:516 (5,6) - , try to NC this one so it's predictable you will make a different pattern maybe? I think I fixed the not intended flow break
02:23:995 (1,2) - Distance between these objects could be reduced, music doesn't support such a jump. hmm I don't get your point here~ I hear two strong drums followed by a triple which for me needs this emphasis
02:43:995 (7,8,9,1) - Literally the only 1/2 stacked notes in the entire map? I think...As explained before they are rare but they aren't alone
03:44:710 (1,2) - 03:45:245 (1,2) - Going for the anti-jumps here doesn't seem like a good idea, it ruins the momentum completely. I hope I could fix it and create some consitency
03:55:245 - Slightly offbeat. More timing checks are coming
03:58:638 (2,3) - Stacking the objects completely blends the guitar sound in the bgm. Consider splitting them! I don't want to. Plitting them would make it feel weird imo
04:10:424 (1) - Offbeat too here. as above
04:41:495 (10,1) - You could've emphasised them a bit more, to be fair. The sound is pretty different from everything else previously, starting a build-up instead of keeping the DS might be a better idea. yesh
The jumps at the very beginning, even if they are "well mapped", seem like you planned to raised the SR a little bit.
To be fair, the map is actually well done, but there are some things that worry me a lot. Especially the fact that you are using a complete different spacing from everything else. The concept you pulled for the creation of this beatmap is... good. You wanna know the real problem? The difficulty spikes the map itself has. Everything else plays like a Hard-level type of difficulty. You could adjust that to balance things out, fairly speaking. Personally, I think you could work on this set a little bit. Adjusting the things I mentioned above is a good start!
Good luck and congrats~
Waiting on timing from other people to confirm it
Edit : Okay, whoever fixed the timing, messed up this section 03:38:281 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1,1,2,1) - Because it sounds dreadfully behind
Edit 2 : 05:13:119 - Late by 5ms, so offset should be 313114
Edit : Okay, whoever fixed the timing, messed up this section 03:38:281 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,1,1,2,1) - Because it sounds dreadfully behind
Edit 2 : 05:13:119 - Late by 5ms, so offset should be 313114
i retimed some parts
im waiting for yukiyo to update it and let other check it
im waiting for yukiyo to update it and let other check it
:) (3rd check)
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side note to previous "fixer" timer please listen at 25% music speed to get accurate timing, from what i seen most of these fixes were really off. Don't take this as a salty reply just saying :^]
just adding my 2 cents on 00:27:567 (1,3) - 00:44:710 (1,3) - : hiding repeat arrows kind of is unrankable lol. the reason for that is that hiding them makes the slider misleading/ambiguous (oh look it's just a normal slider... oh). and while this isn't completely "hiding" its arrow it can make the entire thing way harder to notice. Since you have a ton of space for alternatives that would just simply display the repeat arrow, why not have it fully visible?
they seemed totally fine to me readability wise the when I testplayed this, even with default skin (I'm also using rather small repeat arrows in my custom skin)
But I'd agree that making them more visible would still be nicer since apparently it reduces readability for some people and it's an easy fix anyways.
But I'd agree that making them more visible would still be nicer since apparently it reduces readability for some people and it's an easy fix anyways.
I agree with Lasse here, I playtested it multiple times, and never had issues with the repeat arrows, specially because that part is slow enough, giving players enough time to readjust to the new slider. However fixing those should be something easy to do in case the author decided to apply a fix.Lasse wrote:
they seemed totally fine to me readability wise the when I testplayed this, even with default skin (I'm also using rather small repeat arrows in my custom skin)
But I'd agree that making them more visible would still be nicer since apparently it reduces readability for some people and it's an easy fix anyways.
Hey! This is a pretty nice map, I love the hitsounding too! but there's some emphasize issue and snapping issue (i haven't readed the whole thread so, if anyone has pointed this out, blame me for not reading the whole thread.) tbh seeing you map in hexgrid makes me think i've fail becoming monstrata v3 lo jk
I Could've searched you a better BG if you want
[Last Love]
So, I've checked the map with Kalibe, there's some issue of flow, emphasize and minor stuff that you can/want to fix so the map will have a better quality. No need to remap tho, remapping might need more time and ideas imo.
I Hope this Helps you! Good Luck on Re-ranking the map!
Lololol this took me an Hour and people have pointed some stuff here xD.
I Could've searched you a better BG if you want
[Last Love]
So, I've checked the map with Kalibe, there's some issue of flow, emphasize and minor stuff that you can/want to fix so the map will have a better quality. No need to remap tho, remapping might need more time and ideas imo.
- 00:13:281 (1,2,3) - First of all, Yeah i know you are a new mapper, Im not going to be harsh with you but if you want. You could probably make the pattern line from 1>2>3 looks "precisely straight".
- 00:15:781 (5,1) - I know that you can do a emphasize here for the Strong piano sound. The efficient/fastest way to solve here you could ctrl+g 00:15:781 (5) - so there'll be a jump to (1). Yeah i know its not big but a small jump would work too for emphasize. But maybe, if you ctrl+g 00:14:620 (5,1,3) - how this plays. It would make 00:15:781 (5) - have a consistent playability if you understand what i mean.
- 00:20:781 (2,4) - Kalibe said, you could've Stack these notes for a better playability and to Avoid unnecessary overlaps with 00:20:960 (3,5) -. And i Agree with his opinion, Just've tested and it'll plays cooler but completely up to you
- 00:21:495 (5,1) - A little emphasize stuff xd but kinda hard to fix this so leaving it up like this should still be fine However, its still your choice whether you want to fix it or not.
- 00:28:102 (2,3) - I think others have pointed this out that the repeat kinda hidden with 00:27:567 (1) - 's sliderbody which could make ppl's misread it.
- 00:38:995 (1,3) - you could blanket (3) with (1)'s edge imo
- 00:43:281 (1) - Forgot to NC here? it went to 10 combos lol but hmm i think you did NC'ing every 2 Measures or NC'ing only in new Vocal/Strong synth. Its completely up to you whether to add NC or not but i think NC'ing would be better.
- 01:03:281 (1) - Same stuff as above.
- 01:21:852 (1,2) - Kalibe has pointed this too, Flow seems weird and i also agrees, You could pick one of these 2 stuff for a better flow here imo.
- 01:26:674 (2,3,4) - I think the stacking like this seems unnecessary imo. Why dont you do automatic stack instead?
- 01:35:067 (3,5) - You are completely placing these objects wrong, It makes the hexagon didnt look neat and different than other hexagons you've made. Here, try moving (3) to 300|33 and (5) to 219|62 placement and see if it looks better than the current one. The other objects after these (ex : 01:35:602 (6,8) - etc).... I hope you know what to do with them.
- 02:12:031 (1,2,3) - Kalibe has pointed this. I think the spacing here is too big for emphasizing the Vocals. Maybe reduce them a bit would'nt hurt anything.
- 02:54:710 (5,7) - veryyy nazi thing. Blanket xd
- 03:16:138 (1) - hmm not sure if the current flowbreak will work as Emphasize but, Ctrl+g'ing this would give a better emphasize imo!
- 03:24:710 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - triangles dont have equal spacing xd really. Try this placement. 03:25:066 (2) - to 462|295. 03:25:245 (3) - to 378|279. 03:25:424 (4) - to 490|376. 03:25:602 (5) - to 434|214. 03:25:781 (6) - to 406|360 and lastly, 03:25:959 (7) - to 350|196. Hope that helps you!
- 03:50:067 (7,8,1) - Kalibe pointed out. Spacing seems too big and cursor movement feels weird here. Try moving 03:50:424 (1) - 399|141 where 03:49:352 (3) - placed? also, you forgot to give Finish on (1) lool.
- 04:08:459 (5) - Kalibe pointed out, idk if anyone agrees or you agrees but the sliderend seems offbeat, try playback the song on 25% and snap the sliderend on 1/8 or 1/6. Precisely, 1/8 seems fits a lot than 1/6 but again, try hearing it back and tell me what do you think.
- 04:08:995 (1) - Ah Kalibe founds something weird here, try playback the song on 25% and Snap the reverse on 1/8 to see if 1/8 snap fits correctly there.
- 04:10:424 (1) - Add finish lol.
- 05:14:729 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - The spacing of 05:15:444 (3,4) - seems too large for me, try reducing it a bit since the sound isn't Very strong. Also, 05:14:729 (1,2,1) - Triangle problem here, stacks caused the triangle went inconsistent. 05:15:265 (1,2,3) - Try moving this to 195|309. It'll make the triangle looks neater than before
- 05:10:066 (5) - Last thing from Kalibe, Its weird you only do 1/2 slider here when there's also a vocal on the 1/4. Might be better if you transfrom 5 to a 1/4 kickslider and add one more here 05:10:245 - The idea is cuz kicks hit on the vocal pitch which is very cool.
- 05:22:380 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - Hexagon didnt have equal spacing but i guess you intended to make it like that...
- 05:24:368 (7,8) - Spacing here, maybe stacking 05:24:548 (8) - under 05:23:825 (4) - would be much better imo. Yeah its reduced lol.
Okay that should be all! Generally the map is fine, yes. But the structure didnt look better than people would taught. There's some parts that has different hexagon spacing, un-equal triangle spacing which is Very inconsistent. But its a natural thing for New Mappers, Just take that in mind if you want a better Quality map
Anyways, didn't pointed out nazi things cuz you know what to do. And about emphasize, Please do it mostly on Strong vocal/downbeat.
[]Kalibe wrote:
Comparing 05:17:578 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - jumps to 05:20:418 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Where second one is much louder, You make first one with Big Spacing. Why?
I Hope this Helps you! Good Luck on Re-ranking the map!
Lololol this took me an Hour and people have pointed some stuff here xD.can we take a step back and realise this is yukiyo's first rank? we should allow some leniency in the standards otherwise new mappers would be completely locked out of the community.
yes, there are some issues that need to be addressed such as the reverse arrows and the controversial streams, but subjective discussions on how different sections play in contrast or the emphasis in patterns should take into consideration that the mapper is new.
no offense, but it's not like people expect something amazing out of a new mapper. people gain an incentive to constantly improve quality after ranking their first map as it gives them confidence in their ability. shutting mappers down in the early stages of their career by flooding them with suggestions that have vague solutions really isn't healthy for this game.
i hope we can approach this differently by providing viable solutions to things you may have concerns for so that we can achieve that middle ground where everyone is satisfied c:
yes, there are some issues that need to be addressed such as the reverse arrows and the controversial streams, but subjective discussions on how different sections play in contrast or the emphasis in patterns should take into consideration that the mapper is new.
no offense, but it's not like people expect something amazing out of a new mapper. people gain an incentive to constantly improve quality after ranking their first map as it gives them confidence in their ability. shutting mappers down in the early stages of their career by flooding them with suggestions that have vague solutions really isn't healthy for this game.
i hope we can approach this differently by providing viable solutions to things you may have concerns for so that we can achieve that middle ground where everyone is satisfied c:
^
This is the perfect time to address all these issues, there are quite a few experienced eyes on this and all the scrutiny will improve Yukiyo's future maps.Pentori wrote:
can we take a step back and realise this is yukiyo's first rank? we should allow some leniency in the standards otherwise new mappers would be completely locked out of the community.
The fact that a mapper has zero ranked maps should not change the way you look at a map entirely. If you eliminate discussion they may never improve or develop their own style. As a modder you should be judging the map against itself and against what it's trying to accomplish, thats all I see in this thread.Pentori wrote:
yes, there are some issues that need to be addressed such as the reverse arrows and the controversial streams, but subjective discussions on how different sections play in contrast or the emphasis in patterns should take into consideration that the mapper is new.
Shouldn't you consider this more of a learning experience for Yukiyo? Mappers learn a lot from a DQ. A lot of what has been suggested helps playability or map coherence which individual players do care about when playing the game. What they do not care about is who mapped the map. A player finding a clunky or awkward pattern will just complain about the pattern, they likely won't be giving lenience to Yukiyo because its their first ranked map.Pentori wrote:
no offense, but it's not like people expect something amazing out of a new mapper. people gain an incentive to constantly improve quality after ranking their first map as it gives them confidence in their ability. shutting mappers down in the early stages of their career by flooding them with suggestions that have vague solutions really isn't healthy for this game.
Haruto's mod was quite nice as it provided examples with the mods - but everything I see in this thread has the intention of helping the mapper grow. I believe that if Yukiyo were to reconsider some of the previous denied post-DQ mods, a middle ground would be achieved where most are happy.Pentori wrote:
i hope we can approach this differently by providing viable solutions to things you may have concerns for so that we can achieve that middle ground where everyone is satisfied c:
i don't get why maps like these actually get DQd while meme maps like mine didnt even get modded after qual :v
it feels insanely unfair in a way tbh ;w;
it feels insanely unfair in a way tbh ;w;
Timing definitely needs an overhaul though I'd say the same thing about monstrata's ranked set too but that slipped by 
. To add to the list:
01:24:352 (8) - timing is quite off on this note and the section it occurs in. If you even just listen to the hitsound on the end of this slider you'll hear two consecutive drumbeats, one being the hitsound and one being the drums in the music.
Based on the precedents set by previous ranked map (namely like monstratas first 30 or so ranked maps ) I don't really see anything majorly unrankable from a quality standpoint.
I do kind of hate the way you mapped this for the same reason I hate most of monstratas maps. It seems like it would be kind of common sense but, when nothing is emphasized nothing is emphasized. Outside of mapping the linear buildups this style of mapping all but ignores anything expressive happening in the music. From my viewpoint mapping something as expressive as this song in such a rigid mapping style is the same as chaining someone to a wall in some dark musky rat infested cellar and leaving them to die.
That's 100% an opinion though and this style of mapping is regularly accepted nowadays though so I'm not going to tell you to remap. Considering that Hanzer's wonderful world got dq'd over timing issues and he now has to rank it with like 100x more red lines than the other two ranked sets for it have I do think you are going to have to actually fix the timing on this if you want it ranked though.
. To add to the list:01:24:352 (8) - timing is quite off on this note and the section it occurs in. If you even just listen to the hitsound on the end of this slider you'll hear two consecutive drumbeats, one being the hitsound and one being the drums in the music.
Based on the precedents set by previous ranked map (namely like monstratas first 30 or so ranked maps
) I don't really see anything majorly unrankable from a quality standpoint. I do kind of hate the way you mapped this for the same reason I hate most of monstratas maps. It seems like it would be kind of common sense but, when nothing is emphasized nothing is emphasized. Outside of mapping the linear buildups this style of mapping all but ignores anything expressive happening in the music. From my viewpoint mapping something as expressive as this song in such a rigid mapping style is the same as chaining someone to a wall in some dark musky rat infested cellar and leaving them to die.
That's 100% an opinion though and this style of mapping is regularly accepted nowadays though so I'm not going to tell you to remap. Considering that Hanzer's wonderful world got dq'd over timing issues and he now has to rank it with like 100x more red lines than the other two ranked sets for it have I do think you are going to have to actually fix the timing on this if you want it ranked though.