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P4koo(Vocal.rerone) - Fly High

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Akiyama Mizuki
2,710 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Akiyama Mizuki
omg ban daliycaer!!!!!11
Beige
Elite Mapper
2,191 posts
Joined February 2011
Beige
Normal

드레인 타임이나 난이도 등 밸런스 패치는 문제가 생길시 하겠습니다 :3
Beomsan
1,878 posts
Joined November 2013
Beomsan
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Cellina
1,004 posts
Joined March 2013
Cellina



스킨을 갈아 엎어야겠네요.
숫자 베이스로 한 스킨은 10 이상이 되면 깨지는데, 보통 플레이할땐 skin.ini수정으로 하지만, 비트맵 스킨은 skin.ini가 없으니 일단 숫자 베이스 스킨은 안되겠네요
Dailycare
Beatmap Nominator
1,071 posts
Joined May 2012
Dailycare

Cellina wrote:




스킨을 갈아 엎어야겠네요.
숫자 베이스로 한 스킨은 10 이상이 되면 깨지는데, 보통 플레이할땐 skin.ini수정으로 하지만, 비트맵 스킨은 skin.ini가 없으니 일단 숫자 베이스 스킨은 안되겠네요
제가 뉴콤 넣어서 고쳐볼게요 + 힛사도.. 힛사는 bbj님 난이도에서 복붙해도 될까요?
Akiyama Mizuki
2,710 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Akiyama Mizuki
네 괜찮아요

아 생각해보니 힛사 복사 몇개 해야 하는데
Dailycare
Beatmap Nominator
1,071 posts
Joined May 2012
Dailycare
SPOILER
osu file format v14

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Title:Fly High
TitleUnicode:Fly↑High
Artist:P4koo(Vocal.rerone)
ArtistUnicode:P4koo(Vocal.레로네)
Creator:bbj0920
Version:Dailycare's Insane
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Cellina
1,004 posts
Joined March 2013
Cellina

Dailycare wrote:

Cellina wrote:




스킨을 갈아 엎어야겠네요.
숫자 베이스로 한 스킨은 10 이상이 되면 깨지는데, 보통 플레이할땐 skin.ini수정으로 하지만, 비트맵 스킨은 skin.ini가 없으니 일단 숫자 베이스 스킨은 안되겠네요
제가 뉴콤 넣어서 고쳐볼게요 + 힛사도.. 힛사는 bbj님 난이도에서 복붙해도 될까요?
"gameplay elements must not be transparent"
Reol
998 posts
Joined September 2012
Reol
클아재하드 데케님인센 프리뷰타임 없는듯?
Epilepsy warning 이거 안켜도됨?

클하드랑 인센
00:01:722 - 요기 빨간줄N 초록줄S 통일

모아이지
00:47:353 (3) - 오프스크린 위험 쪼금있는거아님?

언유즈 힛사 체크 프로그램에 엄청 많이 뜨는데 이거 에러인지
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Beomsan
1,878 posts
Joined November 2013
Beomsan
[Moa]

  • 제가 제 손으로 타이핑하기도 참 그렇지만 저는 왜 그렇게 했는가를 이해하고 나서 뭔가 제안을 하려고하는데 도무지 안되는 것들이 좀 보였습니다. Bold해놓은거는 꼭 깊게 생각해봐주세요. 하고보니까 전부 볼드임
  1. 00:01:722 (1,2) - 이거 너무 안좋아보이는데 리버스 한개씩만 줄여서 어떻게 안되겠씁니끠???
  2. 00:54:116 (2) - 이 노트 대체 왜 있는건지 알 수가 없었습니다. 음이 없다고 하고싶은건 아닌데 그걸 왜 하필 노트를 써가면서 잡은건지 그게 의문. 삭제 추천합니다.
  3. 02:01:722 (2) - 위와 같습니다.
  4. 01:00:876 (3) - 1/1 리버스에 01:02:144 - 노트 추가해서 더 잘 할 수 있었다고 보는데... 의미 불명입니다.
  5. 02:08:482 (3) - 위와 같습니다.
  6. 02:15:243 (3) - ^ 01:07:637 (3) - 차라리 앞에 나온 이 롱 슬라이더가 더 좋아보입니다.
  7. 01:16:088 (1,1,1,2) - 하위난이도에서 음을 비워서 표현하는거는 절대로 추천드릴수가 없다고 생각합니다. 빈도가 적고 작곡가가 그런 리듬을 의도해서 어쩔 수 없는 경우면 몰라도 여기서는 그렇게 할 이유가 없어보입니다. 차라리 롱 슬라이더를 활용해보시면 더 좋을 것 같아요.
  8. 02:23:693 (1,1,1,2) - 위와 같습니다.
  9. 02:00:031 (1) - 이거 01:58:341 (3) - 슬라이더에 오버랩 너무 심하게됩니다. 딱히 제가 뭐라 하고싶지는 않은게 저는 하위난이도 오버랩 솔직히 그렇게 나쁘게 안보기때문에, 그런데 충분히 지적받을만 해보입니다.
    마지막 키아이 다 체크해주세요.
날먹띠~~~~
Dailycare
Beatmap Nominator
1,071 posts
Joined May 2012
Dailycare
제거 업데이트 안되있ㄴ음..

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138,275,172320,1,2,2:1:0:0:
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355,302,173693,1,10,0:0:0:0:
355,302,174116,5,2,0:0:0:0:
468,130,174327,1,0,0:0:0:0:
269,197,174538,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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282,206,175172,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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324,361,177074,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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288,290,188060,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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112,239,189750,1,4,2:3:0:0:
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104,162,189961,1,4,2:3:0:0:
105,123,190067,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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232,149,190383,2,0,L|226:196,1,47.8500014602662,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
0,256,190595,1,2,1:2:0:0:
291,72,190806,5,2,0:0:0:0:
291,72,190912,1,0,0:0:0:0:
291,72,191017,1,4,0:0:0:0:
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202,38,191651,2,0,P|142:32|23:117,1,191.400005841065,2|2,2:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
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359,5,192496,1,2,2:0:0:0:
208,127,192707,5,0,0:0:0:0:
380,219,192919,2,0,P|427:235|482:251,1,95.7000029205323,2|8,2:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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276,380,193975,5,10,0:2:0:0:
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Akiyama Mizuki
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moa feedback thing
SPOILER
00:01:722 (1,2) - 이거 너무 안좋아보이는데 리버스 한개씩만 줄여서 어떻게 안되겠씁니끠??? - bbj님 난이도랑 같이함 그리고 맘에들기에 ㅈㅅ..
00:54:116 (2) - 이 노트 대체 왜 있는건지 알 수가 없었습니다. 음이 없다고 하고싶은건 아닌데 그걸 왜 하필 노트를 써가면서 잡은건지 그게 의문. 삭제 추천합니다. - 음을 잡아주는 용도로 넣은 서클입니다 없고 있고의 차이는 꽤 크다고 보네요
01:00:876 (3) - 1/1 리버스에 01:02:144 - 노트 추가해서 더 잘 할 수 있었다고 보는데... 의미 불명입니다. - 01:01:510 - 이곳을 들어보면 보컬이 끝나는 지점입니다 고로 여기는 저 리버스 슬라가 잘맞는거같네요 ( 전체적으로 보컬 팔로우라 ㄱㅊ )
02:15:243 (3) - ^ 01:07:637 (3) - 차라리 앞에 나온 이 롱 슬라이더가 더 좋아보입니다. -이건 일관성을위해 롱슬라로 교체했습니다
01:16:088 (1,1,1,2) - 하위난이도에서 음을 비워서 표현하는거는 절대로 추천드릴수가 없다고 생각합니다. 빈도가 적고 작곡가가 그런 리듬을 의도해서 어쩔 수 없는 경우면 몰라도 여기서는 그렇게 할 이유가 없어보입니다. 차라리 롱 슬라이더를 활용해보시면 더 좋을 것 같아요. - 그다지 어려운 패턴도아니고 박자를 잡아주는 개념이라 넣어도 될거같은데 나중에 븐이 찌르면 고치도록하겟습니다
02:00:031 (1) - 이거 01:58:341 (3) - 슬라이더에 오버랩 너무 심하게됩니다. 딱히 제가 뭐라 하고싶지는 않은게 저는 하위난이도 오버랩 솔직히 그렇게 나쁘게 안보기때문에, 그런데 충분히 지적받을만 해보입니다. - 3번 머리를 1번 굴곡으로 담요하고 끝 서클도 담요했습니다 제 이지의 전체적스타일이 오버랩이 많이들어가는터라 저는 나쁘지않은것같네요 이지에 오버랩이 금지된 것도 아니니깐용..
Len
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Len
from 1:1



Kiai
  1. 00:08:482 (9,1) - nc swap

bbjinsane
  1. 01:06:686 (3) - , 01:13:447 (3) - , 02:07:531 (3) - , 02:14:292 (3) - 이것들 00:59:926 (3,4) - 이런식으로 배치하는게 더 좋아보여요 아니면 02:21:052 (3,4) - 이렇게 스택? 의도하신건 다 알겠으나 왜 이렇게 했는지는 잘 모르겠네요.....
  2. 02:30:560 (1) - 이 스피너를 02:33:412 - 에 끝나게 하실거면 브레이크타임을 02:33:834 - 부터 시작하는게 더 좋다고 생각해요

Daily
  1. 03:10:806 (1,2,3) - 1/6

kloyd
  1. 02:33:834 - 인세인이랑 동일

white
  1. 01:12:707 (1,2,3) - 여기하고 02:20:313 (1,2,3) - 여기만 다른 키아이 부분들에 비해 스루한 느낌이 있음 뭔가 1/1로만 되어있어서 지루한느낌 박자를 조금 다르게 1/2도 넣어보고 그랬으면 더 좋았을듯

Moa
  1. 틱힛사 거슬림 특히 01:49:891 (1,2) - 이런 3/2 슬라들은 진짜
  2. 00:01:722 (1,2) - 리버스 두개씩 넣는 패턴은 진짜 별로 좋지는않음
  3. 00:52:426 (1,2) - 여기 이거 두개 대신 00:52:426 - 에서 시작되고 00:53:905 - 여기서 끝나는 스피너 하나가 더 좋아보임 그 뒤도 마찬가지

good luck
Dailycare
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Akiyama Mizuki
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Len wrote:

bbjinsane
  1. 01:06:686 (3) - , 01:13:447 (3) - , 02:07:531 (3) - , 02:14:292 (3) - 이것들 00:59:926 (3,4) - 이런식으로 배치하는게 더 좋아보여요 아니면 02:21:052 (3,4) - 이렇게 스택? 의도하신건 다 알겠으나 왜 이렇게 했는지는 잘 모르겠네요..... - 각진 ㄴ느낌으로 가려고 한 건데 너무 무리해서 이상하게 보이면 고칠게요
  2. 02:30:560 (1) - 이 스피너를 02:33:412 - 에 끝나게 하실거면 브레이크타임을 02:33:834 - 부터 시작하는게 더 좋다고 생각해요 - ㅇㅋ
Doyak
osu! Alumni
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Doyak
아 하염없이 기다리고 계실 거였으면 모딩이라도 좀 받고 계시지들 ㅋㅋㅋ

좀 하고 싶은 이야기가 많은데, 일단 찌꺼기 정리부터 하고 제대로 시작하겠습니다...

Modding Assistant wrote:

Unused hitsounds:
drum-hitclap4.wav
drum-hitfinish4.wav
drum-hitwhistle4.wav
drum-sliderslide10.wav
Fly High.mp3
normal-hitnormal4.wav
normal-hitwhistle4.wav
soft-hitclap2.wav
soft-hitclap3.wav
soft-hitclap4.wav
soft-hitfinish4.wav
soft-hitwhistle2.wav
soft-hitwhistle3.wav
soft-hitwhistle4.wav
soft-sliderslide2.wav
soft-sliderslide3.wav
soft-sliderslide4.wav
soft-sliderwhistle10.wav
spinnerspin.mp3
모딩 어시만 돌려도 이렇게 나오는데... 븡 부르기 전에 이런 것들은 한번쯤 매퍼분들 스스로 점검하고 계셨으면 시간도 절약되고 좋지 않았을까... 싶네요. 심지어 기존의 노래 mp3이던 Fly High.mp3 는 audio.mp3로 바뀌었는데도 불구하고 남아있군요.

힛사에 관해서도 몇 가지 할 이야기가 있는데 우선

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, would be extremely jarring.
N:C1이나 D:C1, D:C2를 사용하는 맵들에서 틱 소리가 굉장히 크게 들리는데 틱 힛사라는 건 플레이에 직관적이지 않기 때문에 가능하면 일반 오브젝트들보다 소리를 줄이는 편이 낫습니다. 이에 대해 다른 BN들에게 의견을 물어보니

BN1: 틱 힛사는 다른 오브젝트들보다 소리가 확연하게 작아야 한다.
BN2: 틱 힛사가 히트노말보다 커서는 안된다. 예시: 이지의 01:11:017 (3) -
BN3: 틱 힛사는 다른 오브젝트들과 볼륨이 같거나 더 작아야 한다.

정도가 나왔는데, 고려해 보시기 바랍니다.


그리고 soft-hitnormal.wav 의 크기가 너무 작은데 이게 문제가 되는 곳이 이지에 몇 군데 있습니다. 02:11:017 (2) - 02:19:468 - 라던지요. 아마도 S:C1 자체가 키아이님 인센에 슬라이더 틱 때문에 쓰인 것 같은데 왜 이지의 곳곳에 이렇게 작은 히트노말을 쓰게 됐는지 잘 모르겠네요.

그리고 한 BN의 이야기
BN2: 노래가 "진짜" 휘슬 소리들과 잘 어울릴텐데 없는 게 아쉽다.


다음으로 스킨에 대한 이야기인데, 저는 스킨에 대해 잘 모르기 때문에 이 역시 다른 BN들에게 조언을 좀 구해봤습니다.

BN2: 노트 숫자들에 검은 테두리 같은 거라도 있어야 하지 않을까. 눈이 아프다.
BN1: 스킨을 매핑할 때에는 완전한 세트가 함께 매핑되어야 하는데, 빠진 것이 많다. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2074725196 예를 들어 approachcircle은 매핑됐지만 나머지는 안 됐다.
BN3: 저 표가 공식은 아니고 실수들이 있지만 어쨌든 여러가지 빠진 요소가 많이 보인다.



일단 이 제너럴들부터 처리하고 그 다음에 세부 모딩 갑시다. BN한테 하나씩 다 지적해달라고 하지 말고요 ㅠ
Enon
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Enon
안 쓰는 힛사라던가, fly high.mp3가 그대로 남아있는 거라던가 톡방에서도 말했었는데 못 보신 모양
Cellina
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Joined March 2013
Cellina
차피 스킨은 끄고 하시는 분들이 대부분일텐데 안쓰는게 좋지 않을까요 비트맵 용량도 줄이고
Enon
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Joined November 2012
Enon
스킨도 맵의 완성도를 높이는 요소 중 하나라고 생각하기 때문에 넣기로 한 이상 넣는 게 나을 것 같네요.

그런 식으로 따지면 bg도 sb도 다 끄고 하시는 분들이 많다는 것
Doyak
osu! Alumni
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Doyak
심지어 콤보 색깔도, 힛사도 모두 커스텀으로
K i A i
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K i A i

Doyak wrote:

1. drum-sliderslide10.wav랑 soft-sliderwhistle10.wav 둘 다 분명히 사용된건데 왜 언유즈드 히트사운드 처리되었네요..
모딩어시 정말 믿을만한건지 모르겠네요; 딜레이같은 경우는 물론 잘 잡아줘서 편리하긴 하지만
이전부터 모딩어시가 잡아내는 언유즈드 히트사운드 사용하는 사운드까지 잡아내는 바람에 종종 곤욕을 겪곤 했는데
지금 업데이트 된거 다시 받아보니까 없어져있네요 :(

제 난이도에서 분명하게 사용했으니 다시 추가해주세요
drum-sliderslide10.wav는
00:08:694 (2) ~ 00:13:553 (4) - 이 구간에서 사용했고요
soft-sliderwhistle10.wav는 비록 짧지만
03:51:159 (4) - 이 오브젝트에 사용되었습니다.

http://puu.sh/rmoAU/cb971d0ebb.zip
drum-sliderslide10.wav같은 경우는 무음이지만 틱 사운드는 무음처리를 안했으므로 문제 없을거라 봅니다

2. soft-hitnormal.wav는 큰 소리로 바뀌어도 저는 상관 없습니다.

3. 슬라이더 틱 사운드는 같은 사운드를 사용했지만 틱 사운드가 상대적으로 더 볼륨이 크게 나타나는것 때문에 사운드 파일 자체의 크기와는 또 다른 크기의 소리가 난 모양이네요 ㅎㅎ
틱사운드만 75%로 줄였으니 이것도 넣어주시길 바랄게요~
http://puu.sh/rmpuj/3df8ac47d2.zip

Len wrote:

Kiai
  1. 00:08:482 (9,1) - nc swap ㅇㅋ
.osu - http://puu.sh/rmp6k/bad61ac217.zip
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이제 더 안 끌고 닥모딩하겠습니다... 죄송합니다.

[General]
* 맨 마지막 노트에 대해서: 어떤 난이도들은 03:51:581 - 에 서클을 놓는 것으로 끝냈고 어떤 난이도들은 1/4박 앞서 슬라이더를 끝내는 걸로 마무리를 지었는데, 제가 듣기에는 그 소리는 흰 틱까지 분명히 끌고 나갑니다. 어디서는 소리가 있다고 노트를 넣고 어디서는 그 앞에서 끝내버리는 것도 일관성이 없기도 하니, 모든 난이도에서 전부 흰 틱에 끝내는 것으로 하는 게 낫지 않을까 생각합니다.
* drum-hitnormal10.wav 도 소리 키웁시다. 키아이님/데케님 인센 초반부에 추가 힛사 없이 이것만 쓰인 것들이 있는데 들리지가 않네요. 혹시 키우면 안 되는 이유 있는 분은 말씀해주세요.

[Moa's Easy]
* 00:01:722 (1,2) - 이미 한 번 지적 받으신 모양인데 최하 난이도에서 다중 왕복은 피해주시는 게 좋습니다. 두 번째 왕복 화살표를 읽을 수 있는 시간이 1박밖에 안 되기 때문에 초보자들에게는 무리입니다.
* 00:05:947 (2,3) - 이것도 블랭킷 하는 게 못할 일은 아닌데 정 힘드시다면 뭐...
* 00:47:355 (3) - 오프스크린입니다. 위로 올려주세요.
* 01:00:031 (2,3) - 블랭킷 개선 좀
* 01:58:341 (3,1) - 겹침 자체를 그다지 추천하지는 않습니다만, 그대로 두고 싶으시다면 3이 1의 머리라도 가리지 않게 만드는 걸 고려해보세요. (예를 들면 블랭킷을 씌운다던가)
* 그리고 이 난이도는 더 진행하기 전에 힛사부터 손을 봐야될 거 같습니다. 큰 문제만 몇 개 찝어봐도 1. 첫 키아이 전까지만 S:C10이고 나머지는 전부 D:C1인데, 뒤에 앞부분과 비슷한 구간이 있음에도 계속 D:C1을 쓴 점 2. 강약 조절이 없이 첫 키아이부터 전부 90~100% 볼륨만을 써온 점, 게다가 맨 앞만 50%고요. 3. 힛사 패턴에도 별로 일관성이 안 보입니다. 직접 박으신 건진 모르겠는데, 다른 상위 난이도에서 복붙해와서 일부 수정하는 편이 더 나을 거라고 생각합니다.

[White's Normal]
* 00:40:595 (1,2,1,2,3) - 여기까지는 이지 이하의 박자 밀도를 보이고 있다가 갑작스레 연달아 1/2들이 등장하여 조금 불균형을 초래했다는 느낌입니다. 00:45:454 (5) - 요거 하나만이라도 지워보시면 어떨까요?
* 01:01:299 - 02:07:214 - 02:17:355 - 02:18:200 - 02:21:581 (2) - 클랩
* 01:20:736 - 02:28:552 - 이 둘의 볼륨이 다르네요.
* 01:22:954 - 02:30:560 - 이 선은 스피너 시작점으로 옮겨도 될 것 같습니다. 그리고 사실 노래가 그렇게 잠잠해진다거나 하는 것도 아닌데 굳이 5%까지 줄일 필요가 있을지 잘 모르겠네요.
* 01:51:158 (2,3,4) - 와 01:52:848 (5,1) - 가 다른 이유가 있나요?
* 02:22:848 - 03:11:862 - 음 소프트를 쓸 이유가 없는 것 같습니다. 01:15:243 - 처럼요. 아마도 복붙해오면서 생긴 문제겠군요.
* 03:13:552 - 노말 샘플셋에 클랩 제거
* 02:23:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 01:16:088 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 와 같이 휘슬을 넣을 수 있겠습니다.
* 03:24:538 (1,1) - 브픔이 낮긴 하지만 노말에서 스피너 뒤 1박은 좀 부족합니다. 여기저기서 나오던 이야기들을 종합해보면 대략 노말에서는 2박 이상의 휴식을 보장해주자는 느낌인데, 03:28:341 (1) - 를 지우는 게 좀 어색하긴 하지만 제일 안전할 것 같습니다.
* 03:28:341 - 이 부분엔 따로 힛사운딩을 해주셔야 됩니다. 인세인이 매핑을 안했어요.

[Kloyd's Hard]
* 조금 빡센 하드의 느낌이 있기는 한데, 그래도 브픔이 낮기 때문에 AR8은 너무 빠르고, 7.5 내외로 하시는 편이 좋을 듯합니다.
* 키아이님 인센이 HP 5.5니 하드도 5 정도 하시면 좋을 듯합니다.
* 힛사를 아직 안 넣으셨네요. 복붙할 거라고 해도 얼른 넣어주셔야 추가로 개선할 게 있는지 제가 봅니다. (화이트님 노말에 모딩한 것처럼요)
* 00:40:595 (1,2,3,1,2) - 저도 좋은 모양을 건드리고 싶지는 않은데, 박자가 박자이니만큼 1/1 간격과 3/4 간격에는 확실한 구분이 있어야 된다고 생각합니다. 인센 정도 됐다면 모르겠는데, 하드 난이도에서 조금 전까지 1/1로 이어오던 스페이싱을 그대로 3/4에 적용해서 읽기에는 조금 무리가 있다고 봅니다. 꽤나 갑작스럽기도 하고요. 뉴콤이 있는 것만으로는 좀 모자라지 않을까 합니다. 저라면 3/4 슬라+서클을 써서 좀 더 읽기 쉽게 할 것 같습니다. 01:49:045 (3,4,1) - 이쪽도 마찬가지고요.
* 01:22:954 (1) - 02:30:560 (1) - 03:24:750 (1) - 보컬은 다운비트까지 끌고 나가는 느낌인데 어떻게 생각하시나요? 그리고 앞/뒤는 '완전 브레이크'를 다운비트까지 안 밀었고 가운데는 밀었는데 의도된 것이 아니라면 맞춰주시면 좋겠습니다.
* 01:40:383 (3) - 1/2박 줄이는 것이 더 어울리지 않을까요? 딱히 노트들이 보컬을 따라가던 것도 아니었고, 01:37:003 (2) - 랑의 일관성도 있고요.
* 03:16:088 (3) - 뉴콤? 앞에 2개씩 묶어서 한 패턴이고 여기는 분리되는 게 낫지 않나 싶네요.
인센에 맞춰서 매핑했다고 하셨으니 스피너 같은 건 상의해 보시면 될 것 같습니다.

[K i A i's Insane]
* 00:55:173 (1) - 02:02:779 (2) - 뉴콤 불일치
* 02:06:582 (1,2,3,4) - OMC 심사할 때부터 느꼈던 건데 굳이 여기서 빨간 틱에 클릭을 시키시는 이유를 잘 모르겠습니다. 드럼 비트도 물론이거니와 02:06:792 - 02:07:637 - 의 보컬은 특히나 강하게 느껴지는데 오프비트된 느낌입니다. 02:19:680 (1,2,3,4) - 이쪽도 마찬가지입니다.

[Insane]
* 클로이드 님 난이도에 모딩한 스피너 관련 내용 한 번 읽어봐주세요.
* 화이트님 난이도에 힛사가 복사된 것 같으니 그쪽에 제가 지적한 내용중에 여기에도 해당되는 거 있으면 고쳐주세요.
* 01:22:848 - 앞에 드럼들은 몰라도 이 소리만큼은 더 강하게 볼륨을 해줘야 된다고 생각합니다.
* 03:13:764 - 03:13:975 - 이거 노멀 휘슬 확실한가요? 좀 깜짝 놀랐습니다.
* 03:21:898 - 클랩이 빠진 것 같습니다.

[Dailycare's Insane]
* 00:29:398 - 여기다가 노트 하나 찍는 게 00:36:158 (1) - 와의 일관성도 있고 낫지 않나 싶습니다. 01:37:003 - 도요.
* 01:16:088 (1,1) - 를 비롯한 것들: 볼륨은 01:16:088 - 만 크게 하고 에서 바로 줄여버리는 편이 낫지 않을까 싶네요. 특히 01:19:679 - 이런 곳에서 좀 거슬립니다.
* 01:25:806 (2) - 샘플셋이 소프트가 아니라 addition이 소프트여야 하지 않을까요? 다른 곳들은 다 그렇게 하신 것 같네요.
* 01:44:820 - 여기 있는 브레이크는 없애는 게 낫지 않을까요? 진짜 휴식인 줄 알고 정신줄 놨다가 갑자기 튀어나오는 노트에 플레이어들이 당황할 것 같습니다.
* 02:11:017 - 03:15:242 (3) - 음 그냥 오토 sampleset이 낫지 않을까요.
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Doyak wrote:

[Kloyd's Hard]
* 조금 빡센 하드의 느낌이 있기는 한데, 그래도 브픔이 낮기 때문에 AR8은 너무 빠르고, 7.5 내외로 하시는 편이 좋을 듯합니다. - 예
* 키아이님 인센이 HP 5.5니 하드도 5 정도 하시면 좋을 듯합니다. - ㅇㅋ
* 힛사를 아직 안 넣으셨네요. 복붙할 거라고 해도 얼른 넣어주셔야 추가로 개선할 게 있는지 제가 봅니다. (화이트님 노말에 모딩한 것처럼요) - 분명 복붙했던 것 같은데 이것도 날라가 있었군요. 저주받은 맵셋 클라스
* 00:40:595 (1,2,3,1,2) - 저도 좋은 모양을 건드리고 싶지는 않은데, 박자가 박자이니만큼 1/1 간격과 3/4 간격에는 확실한 구분이 있어야 된다고 생각합니다. 인센 정도 됐다면 모르겠는데, 하드 난이도에서 조금 전까지 1/1로 이어오던 스페이싱을 그대로 3/4에 적용해서 읽기에는 조금 무리가 있다고 봅니다. 꽤나 갑작스럽기도 하고요. 뉴콤이 있는 것만으로는 좀 모자라지 않을까 합니다. 저라면 3/4 슬라+서클을 써서 좀 더 읽기 쉽게 할 것 같습니다. 01:49:045 (3,4,1) - 이쪽도 마찬가지고요. - 이건 아무리 해도 패턴을 다시 짜면서 모양을 그대로 둘 방법이 안 보여서 노트 배치를 좀 바꿨는데 어떨지 모르겠네요
* 01:22:954 (1) - 02:30:560 (1) - 03:24:750 (1) - 보컬은 다운비트까지 끌고 나가는 느낌인데 어떻게 생각하시나요? 그리고 앞/뒤는 '완전 브레이크'를 다운비트까지 안 밀었고 가운데는 밀었는데 의도된 것이 아니라면 맞춰주시면 좋겠습니다. - 네
* 01:40:383 (3) - 1/2박 줄이는 것이 더 어울리지 않을까요? 딱히 노트들이 보컬을 따라가던 것도 아니었고, 01:37:003 (2) - 랑의 일관성도 있고요. - 네
* 03:16:088 (3) - 뉴콤? 앞에 2개씩 묶어서 한 패턴이고 여기는 분리되는 게 낫지 않나 싶네요. - 네
인센에 맞춰서 매핑했다고 하셨으니 스피너 같은 건 상의해 보시면 될 것 같습니다.

[Insane]
* 클로이드 님 난이도에 모딩한 스피너 관련 내용 한 번 읽어봐주세요. - 수정
* 화이트님 난이도에 힛사가 복사된 것 같으니 그쪽에 제가 지적한 내용중에 여기에도 해당되는 거 있으면 고쳐주세요. - 네
* 01:22:848 - 앞에 드럼들은 몰라도 이 소리만큼은 더 강하게 볼륨을 해줘야 된다고 생각합니다. - ㅇㅋ
* 03:13:764 - 03:13:975 - 이거 노멀 휘슬 확실한가요? 좀 깜짝 놀랐습니다. - 맞습니다
* 03:21:898 - 클랩이 빠진 것 같습니다. - 수정
클로이드님 하드는 요청 상 제가 봤습니다.
화이트님 노말과 클로이드님 하드에는 현재 모든 게 고쳐진 인세인의 힛사를 복사해 두겠습니다.
Dailycare
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http://puu.sh/rtY2M/ea647fdaac.zip

브레이크타임 없애니까 hp가 살짝 걱정되는데 bbj님 판단하에 알아서 조정해주세요..
Beige
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히드 사운드 맞게 복사해주시면 모딩을 적용하도록 하겠습니다.

모딩 갑사합니다!
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drum-hitnormal10 : http://puu.sh/rupov/417148d60e.wav

http://puu.sh/rupCM/1efa962870.zip
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Dailycare wrote:

http://puu.sh/rtY2M/ea647fdaac.zip

브레이크타임 없애니까 hp가 살짝 걱정되는데 bbj님 판단하에 알아서 조정해주세요..
노트 빈도가 낮아지는 구간에서는 알아서 hp 드레인 속도도 느려지고, 어려운 구간인 것도 아니니까 괜찮을 거에요.
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Doyak
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아니 리체크를 하려고 하는데... 한마디만 좀 하겠습니다... BN한테 아이콘을 달라고 부르는데, 정말로 맵이 아이콘을 받을 준비가 됐는지 매퍼 본인들께서 한 번 확인은 하시는 건지요? 모아님 이지에 01:22:848 - 랑 02:30:454 - 03:24:538 - 구간 힛사 안 들어간 거 말하는 겁니다. 솔직히 좀 실망스럽습니다. 정작 맵 주인들은 자기 맵에 기본적인 결함이 있어도 모르고 있는데 BN이 와서 하나하나 찔러줘야 하는 이유가 뭐죠? 저는 심사위원이었다는 이유로 자원해서 아이콘을 주려고 모딩을 하고 있는데 한두 번도 아니고 체크할 때마다 이러면 전혀 동기부여가 안 되잖습니까.

얼마 전 제 유페에도 적어놨습니다만 힛사 복붙에 대해서 사람들이 너무 가볍게 생각하는 경향이 있는데 그렇게 프로그램만 한 번 돌리고 더이상 거들떠보지도 않으니까 이런 문제가 있어도 모르고 있는 겁니다. 힛사도 맵의 중요한 요소인데 자기 맵에 힛사가 잘 들어갔는지 아닌지 정도는 스스로 점검해봐야할 것 아닙니까?

이런 걸 모르시는 분들도 아니고 다 어떻게 해야 되는지 알면서도 저한테 일을 자꾸 떠넘기는 것 같아 제대로 할 마음이 들지 않네요. 제가 톡방닉을 농담삼아 노예라고 해놨습니다만 정말로 그렇게 생각하시는 건 아닌지 생각될 정도네요.

한 번 더 두고 볼테니 다음번 리체크 불렀을 때 또 이런 상태면 전 진짜 여기서 손 떼겠습니다. 본인 맵에 무신경한 매퍼의 맵을 제가 꼼꼼히 봐줘야 할 이유는 없는 것 같네요.
Akiyama Mizuki
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클로이드님 하드는 제가 애초에 맡기로 했었으니 제가 히트사운드나 여러가지 수정을 다 한 상태이고 다른 분은 응답을 기다리고 있습니다.
이 맵에 제가 굉장히 무신경했던 건 입이 열 개라도 할 말이 없습니다. 도약님의 수고를 가볍게 여기는 건 아닙니다. 되도록 다시 확인하러 오실 때 까지 맵 준비를 제대로 해놓으려 합니다
Beige
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힛사 복붙을 가볍게 여기고 톡방이 PC에만 있어서 눈팅만 하고 제대로 확인 못한 점 정말 죄송합니다. 빠른 시일내에 힛사 제대로 찍고 제출 하겠습니다.

edit) 다 고쳤습니다. 이번엔 확실히 체크 했습니다. 문제 없기를...

https://puu.sh/rIUoi/03b4b2f8fd.rar
Akiyama Mizuki
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모든 난이도에서 히트사운드는 전부 된 거로 확인했습니다. 이제 다운님이 수정된 패턴들에 맞춰 스토리보드만 수정해주시면 준비되지 않았을까 합니다.
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리다운해서 박았기에 문제는 없을듯하네요.
http://puu.sh/rJLnm/b3bb7f4672.osz
riffy
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It's been ages since te last time I checked skinsets.

[Skinning]
  1. Combo Colour 1 is too bright, it can easily fade with the circles you've storyboarded. @K i A i's Insane
  2. The green colour on the other diffs also looks quite weird with the blue background.
  3. The Slider Border is mising from your skin. Add it to all difficulties by adding the following code to the .osu files under the [Colours] code. Should look like this
    SliderBorder: 255,255,255
  4. lighting.png adds those rings as a part of the skin, do you really need to storyboard those ring.png files?
  5. Be sure to check for unused/delayed hitsounds as well, my Modding assistant detects some.
  6. sliderscorepoint.png seems to be missing from the skin. No big deal, but missing it can cause a few rather odd-looking cases.
Akiyama Mizuki
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thank you for your cooperation.

Bakari wrote:

It's been ages since te last time I checked skinsets.

[Skinning]
  1. Combo Colour 1 is too bright, it can easily fade with the circles you've storyboarded. @K i A i's Insane - 200,225,225 must be fine yeah?
  2. The green colour on the other diffs also looks quite weird with the blue background. - fixed
  3. The Slider Border is mising from your skin. Add it to all difficulties by adding the following code to the .osu files under the [Colours] code. Should look like this - fixed
    SliderBorder: 255,255,255
  4. lighting.png adds those rings as a part of the skin, do you really need to storyboard those ring.png files? - they are very distinguishable
  5. Be sure to check for unused/delayed hitsounds as well, my Modding assistant detects some. - ok
  6. sliderscorepoint.png seems to be missing from the skin. No big deal, but missing it can cause a few rather odd-looking cases. - it doesn't matter that much I think?
drum-sliderslide10.wav, normal-hitnormal.wav, soft-sliderslide10.wav, soft-sliderwhistle10.wav가 미사용 (soft-sliderwhistle10.wav는 5ms 초과 딜레이) 으로 뜹니다. 혹시라도 이 중에서 빠지면 안 되는 히트사운드가 있다면 알려주세요. 현재는 맵에서 빼놓고 따로 보관하고 있습니다
riffy
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Regarding the last thing, it does matter. Try playing the set with a custom skin that is completely different from the one in the set. You'll get some awkward-looking skin conflicts.
Doyak
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bbj0920 wrote:

drum-sliderslide10.wav, normal-hitnormal.wav, soft-sliderslide10.wav, soft-sliderwhistle10.wav가 미사용 (soft-sliderwhistle10.wav는 5ms 초과 딜레이) 으로 뜹니다. 혹시라도 이 중에서 빠지면 안 되는 히트사운드가 있다면 알려주세요. 현재는 맵에서 빼놓고 따로 보관하고 있습니다
p/5500941

딜레이 초과 저거는 한 번 다른 븡들하고 상의해볼텐데, 처음부터 들리는 소리에서 점점 커지는 소리라서 가능할 듯합니다.
Akiyama Mizuki
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drum-sliderslide10.wav, soft-sliderwhistle10.wav 다시 추가했고 100WON님이 오셔야 할 듯

edit: 업데이트
Doyak
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[스킨]
* play-skip.png 이거 쓰일 일이 있을까요? 모든 맵이 노래 시작과 함께 바로 시작해서 이게 나타날 시간이 없을 것 같은데요.

[Moa]
* 00:35:524 (1) - 딱 봐도 좀 비뚤어졌는데 맞춰주세요.
* 01:17:778 (1,1,2) - 02:25:383 (1,1,2) - 03:19:468 (2,1,2) - 소수의 노트만을 이렇게 남겨두었는데, 남은 것들이라도 충분히 강조가 되어야 한다고 봅니다. 피니시 추가를 고려해보세요. 참고로 03:19:468 (2) - 는 앞의 것들과 달리 뉴콤이 빠졌네요.
* 01:58:341 (3,1) - 이거 어떻게 조절해서 1 머리가 3 몸통에 안 붙게 할 수 없는지
* 03:04:257 (1,2,1,2) - 클랩 추가?
* 03:38:060 - 이 마지막 파트가 전반적으로 히트사운드 피드백이 좀 약하다고 느껴집니다. 휘슬들 들어간 건 틱 소리랑 똑같아서 사실상 강조 효과가 거의 없고요. 한 가지 제안은 낮은 피아노 소리들에 맞춰서 피니시 사운드를 추가하는 것입니다. 03:39:750 - 03:41:440 - 03:43:130 - 03:43:552 - 03:43:975 - 03:44:398 - 03:46:510 - 03:47:355 - 03:48:200 - 03:49:891 - 03:50:313 - 03:50:736 - 03:51:158 -

[W h i t e]
* 제가 최근에 스탠 RC 개정 팀에 들어가서 현재 진행중인 난이도별 가이드라인을 보게 되었는데요, 노말 난이도의 내용 중엔 이런 것이 있습니다. "3/1 이상의 길이의 슬라이더 후에는 최소한 1/1 박 이상의 휴식이 있어야 한다. 뉴비들은 긴 슬라이더의 길이를 읽는 데에 어려움이 있다." 따라서 여기에 해당되는 것들 02:45:665 (3,4,1) - 02:49:045 (3,4,1) - 03:09:327 (5,6,1) - 에 대해서 어떻게 생각하시는지 궁금합니다.

[Kloyd]
* 극히 미묘한 차이긴 한데 02:33:834 - 는 수동으로 "진짜" 브레이크 시작점이 설정된 데에 비해 01:26:229 - 는 아니네요.
* 03:51:581 (1) - 5%짜리 클릭 오브젝트는 안 됩니다. 소리 들리게 조절하거나 슬라이더 끝으로 하거나 아니면 노트를 지워주세요.

이 정도면 된 듯 합니다. 고치면 다시 불러주세요.
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