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Sonnyc
프리뷰 01:45:533 - 에 설정하는게 어떨까요? 그게 가사 의미 전달과 더 맞는 설정이지 않을까 싶습니다. 지금은 너무 갑작스러운 느낌.. (강남스타일로 따지면 오빤이 빠진 기분이랄까요)

하드.
00:42:937 (4,5,6) - 01:41:712 (4,5,6) - 박자가 상당히 이상하네요. ctrl+g형식의 박자가 보컬과 더 잘 맞을 것 같습니다.
02:15:539 (3,1) - (3)의 곡선 모양을 고려했을 때, (1)의 슬라모양이 잘 호응하고 있는 것 같지는 않네요.
02:22:733 (2,3) - ㅋ 블 ㅋ 랭 킷 ㅋ

인센.
00:12:171 (3,1) - 스택.


익퍼.
01:10:947 (3,1,2) - 스택 좀 어긋날듯.

향수.
02:01:304 (4,1) - 이거 일단 아직 좀 음악에 비해 과한 느낌이네요.
Topic Starter
Beige

Sonnyc wrote:

프리뷰 01:45:533 - 에 설정하는게 어떨까요? 그게 가사 의미 전달과 더 맞는 설정이지 않을까 싶습니다. 지금은 너무 갑작스러운 느낌.. (강남스타일로 따지면 오빤이 빠진 기분이랄까요)

하드.
00:42:937 (4,5,6) - 01:41:712 (4,5,6) - 박자가 상당히 이상하네요. ctrl+g형식의 박자가 보컬과 더 잘 맞을 것 같습니다.
02:15:539 (3,1) - (3)의 곡선 모양을 고려했을 때, (1)의 슬라모양이 잘 호응하고 있는 것 같지는 않네요.
02:22:733 (2,3) - ㅋ 블 ㅋ 랭 킷 ㅋ

인센.
00:12:171 (3,1) - 스택.


익퍼.
01:10:947 (3,1,2) - 스택 좀 어긋날듯.

향수.
02:01:304 (4,1) - 이거 일단 아직 좀 음악에 비해 과한 느낌이네요.
끙... 프리뷰타임에 대해 저렇게 하라는 의견이 너무 많네요 ㅠㅠ... 강남스타일에 오빤이 빠진 느낌은 제생각엔 아닌 것같은데 ㅋㅋ 비유는 좋네요 ㅋㅋ

다고쳤습니다. 향수는 5.55로 남기고싶은데 ㅋㅋ...
Sonnyc
인센에 01:11:865 (2) - 이거 스택 어긋났다는게 인게임에서 삑싸리 난다는 거였습니다. 매뉴얼 스택 가져가시면 되지 않을까 싶네요.

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Sonnyc
Nominated.
sahuang
Sorry but
Is it possible for me to get an English version of reply for p/5582975/ ?
I'm still not capable of reading Korean
Topic Starter
Beige

W h i t e wrote:

Sonnyc wrote:

Slidertrackoverride 설정과 더불어서 SliderBorder 설정도 함께 해주셨으면 좋겠습니다. 지금 하나만 되어있어서 조금 설정이 불완전한 느낌이네요.You should set sliderborder, too. Not only Slidertrackoverride. Fixed it

Fire Gun.
난이도 이름의 뜻이? What does Fire Gun mean in this song. Fixed it, I changed to Nostalgia.
00:47:216 (2,1,2) - The song is pretty weak, but the jump is quite aggressive. I hope you can reduce this by a little. 01:45:533 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Same as these patterns, I think it isn't weak, and it doesn't make a problem to play. I want to emphasis about lyrics, so I added jump patterns.
00:49:665 - 00:50:890 - 00:54:563 - 00:55:788 - 00:59:461 - 01:00:686 - 01:04:359 - 01:05:584 - These are pretty characteristic beats in the song, and these aren't getting expressed strongly. These were mainly at the slider ticks, and placing those beat there didn't really felt like representing this actual song.
01:06:808 - Well you might disagree with the above, but strongly consider a fix on at least this one, since according to your rhythms, 00:52:114 - 00:57:012 - etc had always got expressed. Expect strongly consider to fix, I didn't change them.
01:02:675 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 01:51:655 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 02:01:451 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - The jumps were way too agressive compared to the song. While the strength of the song was pretty much similar with the previous parts and had no major difference, this suddenly became some screen jumps that could be weakly supported from the song. The expression of 00:52:880 (1,2,1,2,1) felt just appropriate along the intensity of the song. I fixed it
01:24:716 (1) - There is a vague beat in the song, and having a note here felt quite awkward. It made the emphasis of the actual beat in 01:24:869 weaker. I fixed it.
01:56:553 - There is a pretty characteristic rhythm here. Might consider expressing this? Fixed it.
02:06:043 - ^? Actually since this rhythm goes along the following 1/4, I feel expresing this would fit the song better. Fixed it.
02:05:048 (8) - Consider you were placing 1/4 objects at actual beats, this usage felt highly overmapped. Remove this please. Fixed it.
02:27:165 (1,2,3) - Since the spacing is nearly the similar while the rhythms being different, I recommend you starting the nc from (2). Fixed.
02:40:482 (6,7,9) - Considering how you structured the rhythms, I feel expressing the 1/4s would've been more natural. Emphasizing the vocals might've been your intention, but not pretty sure since the music is really different from previous 01:41:859 (5,6,7,8,9,10) etc. And you even expressed the 1/4 there. It is a good way that your opinion can express the rhythm, but the other diffs, such as Expert, Insane, and Hard used these patterns and rhythm, so I didn't change these.
Patterns were really great, but it was a big let down to see those unfitting with the song. Popping over that, and I'll decide what to do after checking the fixes.
모딩 감사합니다. 고려 좀 많이 해야될 것 같군요 ㅋㅋ 혹시 오프셋이나 음질에 관해 의견이 있으시다면 올려주세요. Thank you! I will consider about many problems which you indicated in this modding. If you think it has problems about offset and mp3 quality, please post your opinion.

@Gabe : I still don't want to fix about previous point, and considering mp3 quality. Thanks your opinion!
I removed my opinion that I used strike, anyway I fixed those. After Sonnyc's recheck, I fixed it all. Sonnyc said about other diffs(Preview time, In Hard diff Ctrl + G is better, blanket, Stack, and still idk about these patterns that it isn't appropriate rhythm.

Last, I remapped some patterns because of Sonnyc's mod.
sahuang
hmm seems like i totally forgot this thing...please remind me of this next time xd
going to qualify it as long as you want me to :)
Topic Starter
Beige

sahuang wrote:

hmm seems like i totally forgot this thing...please remind me of this next time xd
going to qualify it as long as you want me to :)
It's always ready to go qualify section
sahuang
ok
Tenseki
Gratz!
BG가 단색인가 그런지 오스 넥스트에 최적화되있는것 같네요
Shiranai
Oh god finally, congrats🎉
❤️
Myxo
Congratz!
I just LOVE Easy-Insane. Extra and onwards feel a little bit overdone to me but they are still good maps. Great job overall!
Lonesome Dreams_old
좋은 노래
gratz
Kyouren
Gratzz! :3
Buttercup
I was waiting for this, congrats :)
Shmiklak
Grats~
bulli
Nostalgia
00:57:784 - 00:58:090 - 01:07:579 - 01:07:886 - 01:08:498 - 02:06:355 - 02:06:661 - 02:07:273 - I hear 1/12 (not 1/8)

00:12:171 (3) - 00:13:090 (1) - 00:52:733 (4) - 01:02:528 (4) - 01:14:926 (1) - 01:18:448 (2) - 01:22:733 (2) - 01:25:794 (4) - 01:27:937 (2) - 01:33:141 (9) - 01:34:365 (2) - 01:34:059 (3) - 01:34:977 (3) - 01:37:426 (7) - 01:38:039 (9) - 01:51:508 (4) - 01:57:324 (2) - 01:57:630 (4) - 02:01:304 (4) - Do these really deserve circles? I hear nothing or a really slight change mostly in vocals and hardly with 25% PR.

00:12:171 (3) - 00:21:049 (1) - 00:22:886 (3) - 00:23:498 (1) - 00:24:722 (1) - 00:30:539 (4) - 00:33:141 (5) - 00:44:926 (4) - 00:45:539 (1) - 00:45:998 (3) - 00:49:518 (2) - 00:50:743 (6) - ... I would emphasize, what happen on these (and some more) slider ends more, because the music does that, too.

00:16:763 (1,2,1,2) - Also I would emphasize the first note the most.
Topic Starter
Beige
우오옹... Thanks
BounceBabe

Desperate-kun wrote:

Congratz!
I just LOVE Easy-Insane. Extra and onwards feel a little bit overdone to me but they are still good maps. Great job overall!
Indeed :P
CSLM
Awesome <3
gz~
bulli

bulli wrote:

00:57:784 - 00:58:090 - 01:07:579 - 01:07:886 - 01:08:498 - 02:06:355 - 02:06:661 - 02:07:273 - I hear 1/12 (not 1/8)
Why is this not an issue?

If I am wrong what I don't think, might someone tell me that?
Myxo
There seem to be some valid issues bulli mentioned, so I am taking this down before it's too late (after a little bit of discussion).

The 1/8s are definitely fine as they are. Simplifying these rhythms works well to keep the overall straightforward rhythm of the map consistent. The simplification isn't really noticable when playing the maps so it isn't necessary to change.

However, you should look into the emphasis and overmapping issues bulli mentioned. I get that you are emphasizing the transitions with circle patterns, however they are a bit over the top and make the rhythm of the map unbalanced, so I recommend to rethink your rhythm choices.

Also
Okoratu
1/8 works as a simplification for these, but

on Nostalgia i have a few conceptual issues:

  1. 00:15:386 (2) - just when you think you're gonna map the vocals for the most part you swap to background instruments
  2. 00:16:916 (2,2) - these are way less intense than than the respective first circles
  3. 00:18:906 (1,2,1,2) - map one syllable each and 00:19:518 (1,2) - represent two syllables while being exactly the same thing in the map
  4. 00:23:346 (4) - nothing in the song suggests this to be something you need to press
  5. 00:35:590 (4) - nothing really suggests this to be a circle
  6. 00:38:039 (6,7) - crtl+ging rhythm would represent the vocals you had even better while allowing you to put a more active hitsound on 00:38:192 -
  7. 00:47:835 (3,4) - if these follow vocals i have no idea what's so clickworthy in 00:48:294 - , the vocal is on its end
  8. 00:52:733 (4) - i think the effect this circle would have is kinda misleading, it implies it's something that has energy behind it like 00:52:886 (1,2,1,2) - while it is, at most, an echo so i think leaving these kind of things out would overall put way more focus on the things that actually exist in the song
  9. i think most of the kiai is actually swinging on 5/16s while you map 1/4, it's almost a semiswing rhythm like https://osu.ppy.sh/b/833784 uses but you kinda ignore it all the way through
  10. stuff like 01:27:937 (2,2) - is found all over the map and effectively just invents a different song over what's there
when playing it it feels like the song is background music to some kind of map, except for a few parts you actively go out of your way to invent a bunch of objects that the song otherwise wouldn't really suggest as circles

i think that map would fit way better if it wouldn't need to
1. invent additional layers that the song otherwise doesn't have in order to emphasise objects
2. mix multiple layers together at almost all times to create rhythm
Topic Starter
Beige

Okorin wrote:

1/8 works as a simplification for these, but

on Nostalgia i have a few conceptual issues:

  1. 00:15:386 (2) - just when you think you're gonna map the vocals for the most part you swap to background instruments I couldn't figure out how to explain the word "Innocent" by the rhythm, so I only used background instruments, also the other diffs (Insane, Expert) used like this.
  2. 00:16:916 (2,2) - these are way less intense than than the respective first circles I don't think they are intense circles when I hit them. Rather, they emphasis even higher vocal sound than the other vocal sound.
  3. 00:18:906 (1,2,1,2) - map one syllable each and 00:19:518 (1,2) - represent two syllables while being exactly the same thing in the map I will fix it more properly.
  4. 00:23:346 (4) - nothing in the song suggests this to be something you need to pressI will fix it
  5. 00:35:590 (4) - nothing really suggests this to be a circleconsidering it, I explained that rhythm in the other diffs.
  6. 00:38:039 (6,7) - crtl+ging rhythm would represent the vocals you had even better while allowing you to put a more active hitsound on 00:38:192 - ^
  7. 00:47:835 (3,4) - if these follow vocals i have no idea what's so clickworthy in 00:48:294 - , the vocal is on its end ^
  8. 00:52:733 (4) - i think the effect this circle would have is kinda misleading, it implies it's something that has energy behind it like 00:52:886 (1,2,1,2) - while it is, at most, an echo so i think leaving these kind of things out would overall put way more focus on the things that actually exist in the song I will fix it.
  9. i think most of the kiai is actually swinging on 5/16s while you map 1/4, it's almost a semiswing rhythm like https://osu.ppy.sh/b/833784 uses but you kinda ignore it all the way through I think so. When I listened carefully, I could hear that sound a little bit, but there are different moods that one is really calm and quiet. Lean on is kinda club music, I think they should be dynamic motions for worthy rhythm(fast beat) in this part. So I want to use 1/4 rhythm, they have strong echo sound.
  10. stuff like 01:27:937 (2,2) - is found all over the map and effectively just invents a different song over what's there considering it.
when playing it it feels like the song is background music to some kind of map, except for a few parts you actively go out of your way to invent a bunch of objects that the song otherwise wouldn't really suggest as circles

i think that map would fit way better if it wouldn't need to
1. invent additional layers that the song otherwise doesn't have in order to emphasise objects
2. mix multiple layers together at almost all times to create rhythm
I have no idea what I will do. It is not only issues in Nostalgia diff, but also the other diffs such as, Insane and Expert diffs. I will find my solution as soon as possible. Thanks for opinions.
Doyak
쿠도스?
donacdum
RIP

I really liked this map :(
milr_

donacdum wrote:

RIP

I really liked this map :(
Marirose
this map is f**kin awesome

+1 kds :)
Irreversible
I didn't even know this is disqualified, lol
Nikakis
revive it please
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