14:06 Cryptic: 00:19:625 (1,2,3,4) - 
14:06 Cryptic: unoverlap it since it doesn't really look intended
14:07 Mazzerin: oh yeah
14:07 Mazzerin: i'll move by a few pixels
14:07 Cryptic: yeah
14:08 Cryptic: 00:49:457 - I'm assuming since the accent here has a lot of drift you don't want to map it?
14:08 Mazzerin: you mean the background stuff?
14:08 Cryptic: well
14:08 Cryptic: its an accent to the string
14:09 Cryptic: its like
14:09 Cryptic: do do do do dododo
14:09 Mazzerin: ohh like extensions
14:09 Cryptic: mm
14:09 Mazzerin: i think singles are just fine
14:09 Cryptic: Yeah
14:09 Cryptic: It actually only happens there I think
14:09 Cryptic: which is why I brought it up
14:12 Cryptic: 00:21:648 (1,2,3,4) - maybe move the 2,3,4 down a bit since the spacing right now is a bit deceptive compared to the pervious part of the map?
14:12 Cryptic: not very far, like stack the 4 on00:21:058 (5) - or something
14:13 Mazzerin: ok that works
14:14 Cryptic: 00:57:377 (1,2,3,1,2) - I'm a bit worried about this pattern overall, specifically 00:57:547 (2,3) - to 00:57:884 (1,2) - seems a bit too circular
14:14 Cryptic: but also I think that 00:58:052 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this may be overspaced, according to pitch. As in, the 7,8,9 should be lower spaced
14:15 Cryptic: So technically you could probably kill two bords with one stone by just rearranging the pattern slightly
14:15 Mazzerin: which pattern?
14:15 Mazzerin: the first one or the second one?
14:16 Cryptic: Both
14:16 Cryptic: Like, the first needs to probably have a tighter angle into 00:57:884 (1,2,1,2,3) - 
14:16 Mazzerin: the circularity is fine, it's a nice triangle in my eyes
14:16 Cryptic: and the second needs less spacing on 00:58:725 (7,8,9) -  IMO
14:16 Cryptic: because the pitch starts decreasing there
14:16 Cryptic: as that sounds like a lead-in to 00:59:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 
14:16 Mazzerin: i can rearrenge it to be even sharper
14:16 Mazzerin: with just changing that one note though
14:16 Cryptic: I was saying even sharper yeah, I think it'd play a tiny bit better if you did that
14:17 Mazzerin: you mean sharper as in from the other side
14:17 Cryptic: 00:57:714 (3,1,2) - 
14:17 Mazzerin: or just like more from above
14:17 Mazzerin: instead of completely leading into that
14:17 Cryptic: yeah, I think either would work honestly. Personally, I like the placement of the kick
14:18 Cryptic: actually
14:18 Cryptic: tilt the 2
14:18 Cryptic: upwards
14:18 Cryptic: 00:57:967 (2) - 
14:18 Cryptic: this 2
14:18 Cryptic: that should solve it
14:19 Cryptic: because the main thing I'm worried about is when you go from 00:57:714 (3) - to 00:57:884 (1,2) - its really kind of linear so it could just feel clunky
14:19 Mazzerin: wait you meant the lead in to the 00:58:052 (1) - wasn't sharp?
14:19 Cryptic: but moving the 2 up a bit could oslve that
14:19 Mazzerin: oh
14:19 Cryptic: yeah, basically
14:19 Mazzerin: i wanted to have 2 in the followpoint
14:19 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232011
14:19 Mazzerin: i did that
14:19 Cryptic: That'll work
14:19 Cryptic: nice skin by the way
14:20 Cryptic: 00:58:725 (7) - 
14:20 Mazzerin: now what about
14:20 Cryptic: by the way, I just noticed that this wasn't snapped
14:20 Mazzerin: that 7
14:20 Mazzerin: it's broken
14:20 Cryptic: 00:58:388 (4) - neither is this
14:20 Cryptic: o?
14:20 Mazzerin: everythings "not snapped"
14:20 Mazzerin: or a lot of things
14:20 Mazzerin: it's an editor bug
14:20 Cryptic: gotchya
14:21 Mazzerin: gotta use navosu helper app
14:21 Mazzerin: that one shows what is really unsnapped
14:21 Cryptic: mhmm
14:21 Mazzerin: ok so 789
14:21 Mazzerin: what if it's below the 123?
14:22 Cryptic: That'd probably be fine, what do you have in mind?
14:22 Mazzerin: wait i'll actually rearrange the next ones too
14:22 Cryptic: okay
14:25 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232074 i meant this
14:25 Mazzerin: well that's not down anymore it's even closer but it makes more sense
14:25 Cryptic: yeah
14:25 Cryptic: I like that
14:25 Cryptic: it works
14:26 Cryptic: let me know when you're done w/ that pattern
14:26 Mazzerin: i am done!
14:27 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232100 the rest is like that
14:27 Mazzerin: moved that next 123 cause it would've been too close
14:27 Cryptic: yeah
14:27 Cryptic: that should be bueno
14:27 Mazzerin: and that makes sense cause it's a new measure+snare
14:28 Cryptic: 01:01:929 (1,2,3) - 
14:28 Cryptic: fix your DS please
14:28 Cryptic: also honestly make that curve a tiny bit less sharp
14:28 Cryptic: it'll look better
14:29 Mazzerin: yeah
14:31 Cryptic: 01:14:062 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 
14:31 Cryptic: this is really weird flow-wise
14:32 Cryptic: I think some of the things you could do is  nerf the DS on 01:14:231 (2,3,4) - as an ode to the different pitch in the BG (even though you're following the drums here)
14:32 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2,3,1) - 
14:32 Cryptic: but when you look at that specifically it just looks really clunky, even for 178
14:33 Mazzerin: well it's definitely not as hard as some of the patterns around
14:33 Mazzerin: it's just slightly spaced
14:33 Cryptic: sure, theres definitely harder patterns
14:34 Cryptic: I was just saying that this one is kind of hard because of the flow moreso than the spacing
14:34 Mazzerin: so if i nerf 234 that's enough?
14:35 Cryptic: mm, lemme give you a suggestion, hold on
14:35 Cryptic: cuz the 234 really fucks the entire pattern
14:35 Mazzerin: you know sharp flow FROM a stream to a note is good
14:36 Cryptic: Yeah
14:36 Mazzerin: linear flow during a stream where you start from a note to a stream is also fine
14:36 Cryptic: its really how you're basically going down, then left, then backwards, then direclty up
14:37 Cryptic: it plays kind of like a weird drawn out square
14:37 Mazzerin: if it's sharp from circle to stream (stream goes in reverse) it still feels fine but it's usually further away so it's harder (because of visuals, can't place it as close as you could)
14:37 Cryptic: which isn't that great overall
14:37 Mazzerin: oh another thing then
14:37 Mazzerin: when you're inside a stream pattern
14:37 Mazzerin: reset the flow
14:37 Mazzerin: hmm hard to explain
14:37 Cryptic: no i get that
14:37 Mazzerin: think of it as a relaxed/non straining position for your aiming hand
14:38 Mazzerin: it's mostly about reading and moving carefully inside streams
14:38 Mazzerin: not snapping around
14:38 Cryptic: Yeah
14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2) - 
14:38 Cryptic: but that is a snap
14:38 Mazzerin: so it resets and starts again here 01:14:399 (4) -
14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:062 (1,2,3,4) - 
14:38 Mazzerin: yeah it's triangular
14:38 Cryptic: this is fine
14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2) - is borderline a right angle
14:38 Cryptic: and then the 01:14:735 (2,3,1) - flows out of the right angle
14:38 Mazzerin: well that's one snap 01:14:062 (1,2) -
14:38 Mazzerin: a right angle?
14:39 Cryptic: I honestly think like having the 2,3,4 with a slightly lower DS and then tilted upwards would probably be a fairly okay solution
14:39 Cryptic: though in all honesty
14:39 Cryptic: its up to you
14:39 Cryptic: This is a really nazi thing of me to point out
14:39 Mazzerin: what if 01:14:399 (4) - was closer?
14:39 Cryptic: so only change it if you agree
14:39 Mazzerin: hmmm i don't even know
14:39 Mazzerin: LOL
14:39 Cryptic: 4 being closer would help
14:40 Mazzerin: i'd rather keep it, this is the least someone will care about
14:40 Mazzerin: it's like taking notes from the slow part
14:40 Cryptic: I kind of did osmething like this: https://puu.sh/rvpor/6a9326032f.png
14:40 Mazzerin: and talking about their angles
14:40 Cryptic: but like
14:40 Cryptic: that ends up taking away a lot of the impact
14:41 Cryptic: 01:35:045 (16,1) - 
14:41 Cryptic: the hell
14:42 Mazzerin: you think it's too big?
14:42 Cryptic: Mmm, the transition itself is a bit large, but the biggest issue is the fact that the stream is pointed away from it + the spacing
14:42 Cryptic: if the stream lead into it a bit more
14:42 Mazzerin: things like those are much easier than 01:35:382 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -  by the way
14:42 Cryptic: (like not as much of a curve away) I could see the distance being better
14:42 Cryptic: yeah I know
14:42 Mazzerin: but the drop down effect is so cool
14:43 Cryptic: it is
14:43 Mazzerin: with the kick
14:43 Cryptic: Yeah, its fine
14:43 Cryptic: you're snapping to a repeat slider
14:43 Mazzerin: yeah
14:43 Mazzerin: you are safe for a bunch of time
14:43 Mazzerin: even if you're off time
14:43 Cryptic: yeah
14:43 Cryptic: a lot of lenience
14:44 Cryptic: 02:26:365 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - 
14:45 Cryptic: this is a cool pattern
14:45 Mazzerin: IT IS GOOD
14:45 Mazzerin: i love it
14:45 Mazzerin: i've never seen anything like it
14:46 Cryptic: 03:14:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 
14:46 Cryptic: I love this solo
14:46 Cryptic: so fucking much
14:47 Mazzerin: the reason why i mapped it
14:47 Cryptic: 03:28:060 (1) - UN-NC it
14:48 Mazzerin: but i'm following a pattern
14:48 Mazzerin: then i would have to un-nc 03:27:137 (1) -
14:48 Mazzerin: 'and 03:27:599 (1) -
14:48 Cryptic: but they're
14:48 Cryptic: 1-2-3's rather than 1-2's musically :c
14:49 Mazzerin: but i grouped it as 1-2 1-2 everywhere
14:49 Mazzerin: including there
14:49 Cryptic: mmm, fine.
14:49 Mazzerin: it's just that that last 2 is missing
14:49 Mazzerin: 03:28:637 (1) -
14:49 Mazzerin: same happens here!
14:49 Cryptic: I know
14:49 Cryptic: I hadn't gotten there yet
14:51 Cryptic: 03:44:445 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 
14:51 Cryptic: which instrument are you following for the expansion?
14:51 Mazzerin: well the guitar starts screaming
14:51 Mazzerin: the lead one
14:51 Mazzerin: the rhythmic guitar goes up in pitch
14:51 Mazzerin: and the drums are 1/4
14:51 Mazzerin: so it's all mashed up into one increasing pattern
14:51 Cryptic: Yeah
14:51 Cryptic: alright
14:53 Cryptic: eh, that section is tough to sort out musically, I think you did fine
14:53 Cryptic: has anyone played the current iteration of the map by the way?
14:54 Mazzerin: yes talala today
14:54 Mazzerin: and gayz
14:54 Cryptic: Alright
14:54 Cryptic: What did they say?
14:54 Mazzerin: gayz could pass everything but the streams before the jumps
14:55 Mazzerin: and talala couldn't pass the streams but could pass the jumps until sliderjumps
14:55 Mazzerin: so i changed the streams with talala
14:55 Mazzerin: and he passed both the streams and the jumps except the slider jumps
14:55 Mazzerin: the problem was overlaps and that weird triple not sure if you saw it
14:55 Mazzerin: 03:24:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -
14:55 Mazzerin: this was overlapping
14:55 Mazzerin: so i removed that
14:56 Mazzerin: and there was this triangular triple 03:25:176 (2,3,1) -
14:56 Mazzerin: that gayz complained about
14:56 Mazzerin: but i made it straight
14:56 Mazzerin: talala said he's gonna pass it with luck now hah
14:57 Cryptic: 05:03:170 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - why change the folow so much here?
14:57 Cryptic: also, sorry, I was reading that all but I was also looking ahead
14:57 Cryptic: I don't want to make you wait too long
14:57 Mazzerin: sorry for what
14:58 Mazzerin: not talking to me while i was typing a wall?
14:58 Mazzerin: that's fine
14:58 Cryptic: yea
14:58 Mazzerin: it's hard to explain the direction there
14:58 Mazzerin: i just kinda felt like guitar does that
14:58 Mazzerin: i have no idea how to say this
14:58 Mazzerin: but i like how it flows into after that motion 05:03:844 (1,2,3,4,1) -
14:59 Cryptic: See, my only concern with some of these awkward stream jumps and sharp flow changes is the HP 6
14:59 Cryptic: I get that you don't want like 50% acc passes
15:00 Cryptic: but you may need a slightly lower HP
15:00 Cryptic: with some of these stream jumps
15:00 Cryptic: not that one that i mentioned
15:00 Cryptic: just overall
15:00 Mazzerin: hp is tricky to decide
15:00 Mazzerin: it simply makes it more lenient everywhere
15:01 Cryptic: yeah
15:01 Mazzerin: but how lenient do i want it and how lenient does everyone else want it?
15:01 Mazzerin: everyone has a different opinion
15:01 Mazzerin: the top players literally said
15:01 Mazzerin: if you make it lower, it's gonna be easier to pass
15:01 Mazzerin: and well that's true it's simple as that
15:01 Cryptic: Yeah
15:01 Cryptic: thats for sure
15:01 Cryptic: but if people liek talala and gayz who are quite good at your maps are having trouble passing
15:01 Cryptic: wouldn't something like 5.5 or 5 be a bit more reasonable?
15:02 Cryptic: We both know no one will ever pass this with HR, maybe HD, most passes will be HT
15:02 Cryptic: tbh, I'm fine with it being HP 6
15:02 Mazzerin: i'll quickly ask around
15:02 Cryptic: I just see it as being a potential conversation point in a DQ mod
15:03 Mazzerin: mithew says 6
15:03 Mazzerin: broodich says 5.5
15:03 Mazzerin: LOL
15:03 Mazzerin: wait
15:04 Cryptic: ?
15:04 Mazzerin: plz enjoy game will say something as well
15:04 Mazzerin: about the hp
15:04 Cryptic: alright
15:04 Mazzerin: i mean you can keep modding
15:04 Cryptic: I'm gonna start checking HSing
15:05 Mazzerin: aaand he says 5
15:05 Mazzerin: ROFL
15:05 Mazzerin: so we have 5 5.5 and 6
15:05 Cryptic: nah really the only last major complaint I had was the really weird stream flow
15:05 Cryptic: uhm
15:05 Cryptic: split the difference, avg is 55
15:05 Cryptic: *5.5
15:05 Cryptic: ?
15:05 Mazzerin: yeah
15:06 Cryptic: oh
15:06 Cryptic: I did forget
15:06 Cryptic: 05:44:799 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 
15:06 Cryptic: I'm not a huge fan of that pattern at all
15:06 Cryptic: I get the spacing musically, but the design seems to be a bit harder than the song really warrants
15:06 Mazzerin: well the jump is barely bigger
15:06 Cryptic: especially the 6>1 at the end there
15:06 Mazzerin: it's almost the same as usual
15:07 Mazzerin: 0.25 difference
15:07 Cryptic: alright
15:07 Cryptic: time for hte "fun" part
15:07 Mazzerin: some guy already checked hitsounds pretty well
15:07 Mazzerin: i also did a few times
15:08 Mazzerin: there might be some missing after changes though
15:09 Cryptic: hmm
15:12 Mazzerin: talala said 5.5-5.7
15:12 Mazzerin: and '5 is too easy'
15:12 Mazzerin: so 5.5 is the best i guess
15:12 Cryptic: yeah
15:12 Cryptic: I'm about halfway through with HSing
15:12 Cryptic: after I finish you can update and then I can recheck the spots that were tinkered and recheck their HSs and the quali
15:13 Cryptic: 03:55:522 (1) - 
15:13 Cryptic: defualt hit-whistle??
15:13 Mazzerin: what
15:13 Cryptic: its defualt hit-whistle
15:13 Cryptic: like
15:13 Cryptic: that is
15:13 Cryptic: isn't it mean tto be
15:13 Mazzerin: that's a sound in the song isn't it
15:14 Cryptic: turn music voluem to 0%
15:14 Mazzerin: OH
15:14 Mazzerin: the slider
15:14 Cryptic: yeah
15:14 Mazzerin: nooo
15:14 Mazzerin: the sliderbody has whistle applied to it
15:14 Mazzerin: accidently
15:14 Cryptic: yeah
15:14 Cryptic: thats what I was saying
15:14 Mazzerin: woops
15:18 Cryptic: alright
15:18 Cryptic: the rest is good
15:19 Mazzerin: so i can update
15:19 Cryptic: aye
15:19 Cryptic: you did 5.5 right?
15:19 Mazzerin: yeah
15:19 Cryptic: cool cool
15:19 Cryptic: lemme know when update
15:20 Mazzerin: now
15:20 Mazzerin: it is done
15:20 Cryptic: yep
15:20 Cryptic: checking
15:24 Mazzerin: cryptic did yo udie
15:24 Cryptic: no no
15:24 Cryptic: just making sure I didn't miss anything
15:24 Cryptic: almost done
15:24 Cryptic: like 30 seconds left
15:24 Cryptic: I'm gonna get shit on tho man
15:24 Cryptic: considering I nazi'd Empress yesterday and am flaming this today
15:25 Cryptic: inb4 loctav kicks me
15:25 Mazzerin: you're doing it for a good cause
15:25 Cryptic: rip
15:25 Cryptic: cool cool everything is in order
15:25 Cryptic: let me get the post ready and then I'll flame