HML wrote:

oi

Modarino

00:06:479 (4) - Make it curve to the opposite direction for better flow?
00:20:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These feel random, maybe build up on 00:19:962 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Like what you did with 00:19:962 (2,3,4,8,9,10) - ?
Maybe put 00:37:827 (1) - HERE?
00:39:849 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - The entire section feels off beat. 00:41:535 (3) - This one is for sure
00:57:714 (3) - Move down and to the right a bit more?
01:21:309 (1,2,3,4) - I think this should by Ctrl+J'd and put where it was. Flows better imo
01:25:186 (3) - Ctrl+G Flows 100 times better
01:48:613 (1,2) - Replace with a slider?
01:55:017 (4,5,6,7) - Decrease DS? It's the same as 01:55:354 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but it feels like it shouldn't be as fast
02:05:804 (4,5,6,7) - ^ Ditto
02:19:286 (1,2,3,4) - I hit this some how, but I think it's too spaced, and a weird pattern
02:47:601 (1,2) - Why did you put two notes here instead of sliders? I didn't notice a difference in sound.
02:49:792 (10,5) - Move out from under the stream. It'll save a lot of people shitmisses.
03:25:176 (2,3,1) - Too spaced. Really hard to hit
03:47:330 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This wasn't fun to play. Maybe do something like THIS?
03:51:137 (1,2,3,4) - This looks super ugly. Maybe rotate it clockwise a bit?
04:02:075 (2) - Overmapped note
04:21:372 (13) - NC?
04:29:462 (13) - ^ Ditto
04:35:529 (1,2) - Why two notes instead of a slider?
04:43:619 (1,2) - ^
05:14:125 (3,1) - Place 1 on three?
05:15:473 (2,1) - Overlay?

Sorry for the short mod and if this mod wasn't helpful

Yes, I did play this... unfortunately

SeGin wrote:

The only thing I found was that the 1/3 stream from 03:23:214 (1) - should start at 03:23:176

riktoi wrote:

cool stuff

00:39:849 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - it's probably the guitarist's fault but some of these sound a bit off. might need 1/16 or 1/12 snaps (might just be me though)
seems fine to me
00:47:939 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - same

02:19:286 (1,2,3,4) - shouldn't you technically have the spacing get lower progressively here as the drummer does that too
focus is on rhythmic guitar
no kds

Dammond wrote:

Speaking about the hitsounds:

00:39:175 (3) - rip snare drum
00:39:625 (6) - there's a hi-hat on the sliderend, but you're using a ride cymbal
00:39:849 (1) - how good is default whistle on these 1's?
02:14:736 (6,7) - rip kick drum (whistle)
02:22:826 (2,3) - ^
02:46:253 (3) - ^
04:23:816 (2,3,4) - missed hitsounds, tom or kick-drum idk what do you prefer to use here
04:30:305 (11,12) - ^ probably a tom drum
04:31:485 (1) - ^
05:11:428 (6) - sliderhead missed a whistle
05:11:597 (7) - missed 2 hitsounds in last 2 reverses (whistles i think)
05:12:608 (7) - ^
05:39:406 (2,3) - 05:39:911 (2,3) - why hitfinish on this? probably was accidentally added, it doesn't follow the concept

and...

01:09:175 (1,2,3,4) - Don't you wanna make it curved down a little bit? Continuing the concept of the previous stream (and the guitar riff in general)

Extreme jumps with no musical reasoning, sky high DS at random times, streams that just decide to jump to some random part of the playing field with no warning, buckshot spread patterns with no cohesive structure, streams that space out to absurd degrees, rampant abuse of SV changes and BPM modification to cover up lazy mapping, slider jumps that clearly are just cases of Ctrl+H and Ctrl+J abuse, and worst of all, using the music genre as your own little shield to justify every little moment of "I map like this because fuck you, I'm Mazzerin" you can stuff in your pathetic and self-subservient maps.

was sergio supposed to remove that

fuckz

00:11:872 (1,2) - im probably just really bad at this game but i think a jump would fit here better than a stack tbh :d (goes for everything like this)
00:17:940 (7) - ncing this instead and making 00:18:614 (2) - notes fits the guitar rhythm a lot better here imo
00:43:894 (1) - that red point + curve after is why i get nightmares about sliders
00:47:602 (1) - wouldn't a low-ds'd stream fit here better? idk maybe im retarded
00:51:647 (3,1) - pls dont stak u didnt do this b4
01:14:399 (1) - what is this nc tbh
01:24:343 (3) - nc?
01:25:017 (2) - ^
01:27:714 (9) - ^ (you nc'd 1/4s like this before so ya)
01:30:411 (1) - ok i dont erven understand this nc pattern im just gonna assume its ur own thing so y
01:35:382 (1) - kind of weird playability wise but i dont really see how else you can improve the pattern here, maybe stacking this on 01:35:467 (1) - or making it closer would work but h
01:41:534 (1) - pretty pointless nc here tho
02:15:578 (1) - idk why you curved this 1 and nothing else lo
02:19:286 (1,2,3,4) - i get what you were going for here but the angling of this is pretty awkward comparatively speaking, esp. considering 02:19:371 (2,3) - this has different DS
02:26:365 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - i have no idea how you managed to make this play well ur a saint
02:59:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - feels like there should be more emphasis on these instead of just a downward stack
03:14:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - transition here could be improved, i mean it's going from 178 bpm to 260 here so maybe 1/4 repeats for the first two? (03:14:907 (1,2,1,2) - these ones)
03:15:830 (1) - ik you're following the guitar but idk i feel the drum is a lot more potent here, also pretty awkward going from that to 03:19:522 (1) - the rhythm presented here in 4 seconds
03:30:599 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - add a few repeat sliders here to introduce the 1/3 rhythm? doesn't really matter since it's going from high to low bpm but stil lo
03:38:214 (2,3) - kind of weird place for a stack
03:43:060 (1,2) - would be better as a triple tbh
03:44:907 (1,2,1,2) - one of the actual only few points i agree with eon on--feels like if you focused on the guitar here 03:15:830 (1) - you should focus on it here as well
03:45:945 (5) - y does this not start on white tick tho
04:30:474 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - following guitar here is pretty dum tbh the drums are a lot more potent here
05:08:900 (1,2,3,4) - tbh making the first few of these repeat sliders would ease the player into this but fuck it this maps 9 stars

[ Eon Fox ] wrote:

Oh... joy.

00:06:479 (4,5) - I'm sorry, but this is excessive. In less than 2/10ths of a second, you make the player go almost entirely across the screen, with AR10 and OD10. No, this is not okay.
00:23:895 (3,4) - I get that this is 178bpm with a relatively low SV, but that still doesn't mean you should you 10+ DS. I can't even remember seeing that outside of VERY slow songs or TAG maps. This is neither, and considering the sound mapped, it makes no sense when compared to the next combo.
00:56:366 (5,6) - So, you made a jump with less than a 1/10th of a second gap that large because...?
00:57:714 (3,1) - This is a jump all the way across the screen with a comfy 84ms to react with. There's no possible musical justification for this.

~

[ Eon Fox ] wrote:

something...

[ Eon Fox ] wrote:

something...

something...

artistry

[ Eon Fox ] wrote:

something...

Mazzerin wrote:

@bubblun
no changes, it's all about angles of 1/6 and 1/4 sliders, which either work as hold motions or 1/2 aiming motions (they require no motions of actually moving your cursor to the slider ends), I placed them based on visuals most of the time
@fieryage
00:11:872 (1,2) - this does not warrant a jump, this does 00:06:479 (4,5) - it's based on rhythmic guitar
00:17:940 (1) - changed nc
00:47:602 (1) - no it wouldn't
00:51:647 (3) - ok
01:14:399 (4) - remove
01:24:343 (3) - I focus on strong guitar hits like the ones nc'd here only
01:27:714 (9) - there was no part like this yet
01:30:411 (9) - removed this
01:35:382 (1) - it wouldn't change much except it starting to look like crap
01:41:534 (1) - rhythmic guitar
02:15:578 (1) - same as 02:11:534 (1) - 02:19:623 (1) - so I did
02:19:286 (1,2,3,4) - angle is supposed to be awkward cause of guitar, but the spacing is consistent?
02:59:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - uhh seems fine to me since it's like a lead in to the next section which isn't too aggressive
03:14:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - already talked this over a bunch of times, I feel like it's necessary to have them all at least clickable
03:15:830 (1) - if I try to listen to the song all I hear is the lead guitar in the foreground here, I'm pretty sure anyone listening to the song for the first time would agree
03:30:599 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - as you said, it wouldn't matter much, and it's not like those notes are some rhythm changes in a calm part on drums, this is the lead guitar we're talking about here
03:38:214 (2,3) - did it here 03:34:753 (4,5) - too, what's wrong with a stack?
03:43:060 (1,2) - snares are too strong here, so I just use a 1/4 slider
03:44:907 (1,2,1,2) - the rhythm guitar does its pattern here it did a few times which I already mapped here, and combined with the section change/lead guitar high note hold it makes it pretty fitting, especially the fact that it leads to a slower section
03:15:830 (1) - the riffs aren't as overwhelming here - the lead guitar is though, I focus on it in the same places, like here 03:22:291 (1) - or 03:26:445 (1,2,1,2) - 03:33:368 (1) - (both lead and rhythm guitars here tho) 03:40:753 (1) -
03:45:945 (5) - rhythm guitar holds note on that and 03:46:291 (7) - and 03:46:637 (9) - (but it's cut off by the beginning of drum roll)
04:30:474 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - best I could do is change them to 1/4 sliders on the empty spots, but I feel like it makes much more sense this way
05:08:900 (1,2,3,4) - this is my favorite part of the song, anyways they're nowhere near as hard as any of the streams in the kiai
@kroytz
03:25:176 (2,3,1) - HMM triples spaced like that play really well imo, and I don't want to have it as a kick slider
03:26:214 (1,2,3) - nah it's definitely 1/3 3 notes, then it's 1 (the slider which is 1/4 because guitar sound is extended) + 1/6 double, but I mapped it as 1/4 (the triple)
04:56:260 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - well first of all it's the most melodic and spaced part in the solo, then it has the drums but those don't really call for any ncs. Thirdly, the spacing would make some follow points appear by the end which would make it look really ugly compared to the beginning of that pattern
05:03:844 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - I actually wanted it to be placed somewhere there, this 05:03:844 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - seems to be completely disjointed from all the fuckery that happened right before it (the solo)
05:07:889 (1) - they look good cause of absolute spacing like this, would face 05:08:563 (1) - too much if I rotated
@montrata
00:57:714 (3) - uhhh I don't know, especially since it's AR10, but I moved it out of the way of the stream
00:57:882 (1,2) - you're right, moved it so there's a jump to 00:58:051 (1) - instead
01:24:006 (2) - is that called a flowbreak? you barely have to move your hand there, but ok ctrl+g'd
01:28:051 (1,2,1,2) - ok
01:54:343 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I stuck with the same spacing I used here 01:01:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - also, wouldn't reducing it mean it would be similar to 01:52:995 (1,2,3,4,1) - ? no perfect way out
02:26:955 (2,1) - ok
02:51:646 (1,2) - ok
03:16:522 (1) - ok
03:44:445 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ok
04:02:075 (2) - whatever ok
04:13:620 (1,1) - it really makes no difference, it's 1 click just like the rest and it sounds cool with the hitsounding
04:55:754 (1,1,1,1) - right, nc'd all these as well, i explained it somewhere before here
05:03:422 (4,1) - it always had jumpstreams on strong rhythmic guitar hits
05:45:052 (4,5,6) - are snare drums so I had to change them somehow, I used to have it consistent but it was pretty stupid
@mithew
00:56:029 - 01:04:118 - right changed
01:01:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - guitar only does 1/2 and then keeps going at 1/1 here tho so what I could do is split stream on 01:01:927 (4) - which I have now
01:29:399 (1) - you're right, it's higher pitch than the other ones
01:46:927 (5) - oh ye this changes my perception of playability of the entire map, on a serious note though - changed
02:17:769 (2) - maybe it's just me but I think that rhythm guitar note is just as strong as the rest here? hmm
03:24:137 (1) - that wouldn't follow the music though, these 03:24:137 (1,2) - must be circles that are spaced more compared to circles before, and 03:24:253 (3) - note is a hold, so it must be a 1/4 slider
03:52:522 (1) - this is a section changer just like 03:48:830 (1,2) - , I make them big on purpose for more impact
____
some conclusions based on what multiple people mentioned
03:15:830 (1) - remapped to fit rhythmic guitar more
03:26:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - lol I think it's underspaced now compared to everything else but ok

pishifat wrote:

00:31:760 - 00:56:029 - red lines doing nothing
fuck I'm an idiot
04:00:137 (1) - 5% is ok for the reverses/end, but head still lands on loud thing and needs feedback. this is ok
ok, but why gyazo pishi please
04:02:665 (2,3,1) - can you do like anything else? current thing is so unfair. slider, grouping the 2,3 differently, or even simplifying to 1/4 could be acceptable tbh
ok

sampleset 7 hitsounds are unused
woops

handsome wrote:

deceptionp
you might run into problems with combo4 being too similar to bg http://i.imgur.com/yAqZ8w0.png
ok change
00:10:187 (1,2) - could try something like this for the guitar riffs http://i.imgur.com/f1mr3ot.png
ok, also changed here 00:26:592 (2) - cause rhythmic guitar also has hit there
01:01:422 (1,2,1) - feels like the jump should actually be on 1, instead of on 2. right now the movement to 2 is pretty damn quick and far with almost not momentum from the stream itself, could try something like this instead http://i.imgur.com/tDMVSQO.jpg
true!
01:01:759 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - you probably got lots of complaints about this but this is pretty damn confusing, if you wanted to have emphasis on the redtick, an NC isn't really that distinct. you could try clearer patterns like http://i.imgur.com/pMK1Wds.png
haha noone complained about that, it plays like a stack, which leads to your point (no emphasis on red tick ) - changed
01:09:175 (1,2,3,4) - i think using kicksldiers or repeats fit much better with the drums as well as giving even more impact tothe downbeat afterwards, a streamjump doesn't really do it justice http://i.imgur.com/S9uci0Y.png
true
01:19:961 (4,5,6,7) - similar to above, could change to a repeat slider
true
01:28:051 (1,2,1,2) - would be cooler if they did the same gimmick, its pretty weird now that they sound similar but play much differently
nah first 2 got snares second 2 got bass+raids or whatever the fuck that is
01:35:382 (1) - coul drop the nc on this to make it even more obvious that its on a bluetick, i'd much prefer extending the repeat thoguh
ok drop the nc
02:08:837 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - could easy use higher spacing changes, right now you can play this really flowy without thinking about snapping and it really dampens the impact of the strong riffs here. just an example of what i mean by having more snapping between streams http://i.imgur.com/2DiTQvW.png
yea true those are barely even jumpstreams right now
02:18:949 (2,3,4,1,2) - movement becomes a little awkwward here, with 2 > 3 being a snappy motion, then slowing down immediately to fit the stream, and then having to change directions as well. i think stackin 02:19:118 (3,4,1) - would solve this issue while still eexpressing the main idea of a jump to the strem and emphasis on 02:19:286 (1,2,3,4) - . like so http://i.imgur.com/SSH5LFf.png
ok
02:23:668 (1,2,1,2) - personally strongly dislike kickslider overlaps stacked like this, they make the sliderbody very unclear which compromise reading substantially. partial overlaps are much more ocmfortable to read, but thats just me hating on this pattern
it's good
02:26:534 (1) - 02:26:871 (1) - could drop the NCs to make it easier to read here
more colors is better!
02:35:298 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could replace with kicksliders to match riffs, and mainly to give impact to the next downbeat, its p loud
ok
02:50:635 (7,8,9) - super confusing to play, cuz i legit thought it was 1/6 and was merged into 02:50:972 (1) - with a streamjump. could replace with kickslider+1 circle
ok fair enough changed
03:26:330 (2,1) - 03:40:522 (8,9,10,11,1) - some stuff i noticed that you do 'organizational stacks' but they actually affect gameplay quite a bit, might get really difficult when its not done in a consistent manner.
hmmm no one mentioned those and I think they're fine on AR10
03:26:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - blah, the way these are grouped are really odd, considering they aren't actually 1-2 grouping. the recurring patterns is every 2 beats, so ideally you want to NC every 2 beats, instead of 1. with this in mind we can avoid the 1 note NC as well, which also makes it easier to transition to the red tick NCs afterwards.
hard to tell, the first note of 2 beats is always strong, which leads to a feel that the second beat always has weaker/lower pitch than the first one, which is how I spaced/nc'd it. Also it would make this NC consist of a beat and a half 03:27:830 (1) - and this one of half of a beat 03:28:637 (1) - , cause these are grouped every one beat for sure 03:28:176 (1) - 03:28:407 (1) -
04:14:631 (1) - these don't really do anything other than random clutter, its not really noticeable tha you hit a 1/8 slider mixed in a stream, especially when cramped like this.
it's not meaningful in gameplay, but it is in hitsounds, that's what makes it cool
04:52:215 (2,3,1,2,1,2) - i got terminal aids from this, i applaud anyone who can consistently land this
start off by playing them as actual doubles with pauses so your brain/reading gets used to processing something like this, when you're fast enough you can actually feel when you press twice and jump over to the next group easily without interrupting your fingers. also helps to start off with 4+ note jumpstreams, then go down to 4 and practice those, bpm is also a factor.
05:03:760 (4,1) - dynamics like these were cool, could have applied this more
yea it is cool, suggest where else to apply it though? I think it fits here because that next stream sounds completely different and leads to the next section, couldn't find anything else to apply this to

cant mod this lol
aww don't feel bad, this was actually the best mod so far in my opinion

pishifat wrote:

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