Our Stolen Theory - United (L.A.O.S Remix)

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J_8579
lmao

Can't wait to see this qualified.
Idealism

F1r3tar wrote:

lmao

Can't wait to see this qualified.
same

I'm more excited for when Azer HDHR FCs this
Azer
I'm ready for this
Bowzaa

Azer wrote:

I'm ready for this
The rest of us are not. Be gentle.
Shizuku-
Azer, set the highest pp play of all time LUL
felys
imo the bg should be changed, it's from another series (kancolle) which doesn't have any connection with the song itself. It's like putting a SAO bg on a Ryu* song

finding an original (non-series related) background for an original song would be the best option imo
Stjpa
Other than the BG thingy I'd like to have a higher AR because the streams look so weird with such a such a high density.
Topic Starter
Koalazy
hmm...use HR?
Antalar

felys wrote:

imo the bg should be changed, it's from another series (kancolle) which doesn't have any connection with the song itself. It's like putting a SAO bg on a Ryu* song

finding an original (non-series related) background for an original song would be the best option imo
i must agree with this
felys

Stjpa wrote:

Other than the BG thingy I'd like to have a higher AR because the streams look so weird with such a such a high density.
it's probably because you're used to the other United, but ar9 on this kind of map is totally fine imo
Logic Agent
Houtarou Oreki
imo the beginning feels kinda awkward to play compared to the rest of the map, ar9 looks fine
felys
Since you completely ignored the bg issue and didn't answer me after two days, I'm going to point out other major problems points, hoping I get actually noticed and don't just get ignored because this map is bubbled and "has the quality to get ranked" (lmao).

[General]
  1. The tags, " i19 koa%wer koapower stream".
    First word is the name of one of the five girls in the bg. First of all, tags shouldn't be used for name of the girls in an irrelevant bg that is also highly recommended to change, but also, why did you put only one name out of five? This doesn't make sense, the ranking criteria is not made for putting random bgs and for using tags only about the preferred girls.
    Why are "koa%wer koapower" in the tags? that's words you used for other graveyard maps right? then those doesn't make sense here. Last people I remember using this kind of thing was GoldenWolf with "woof" but he had to remove it after Kanjou no Matenrou ~ World's End.
    "stream", heh, really? People never tags maps going for ranked with "jump", "stream" or, idk "a lot of triplets", there's no point in keeping that.
  2. you're totally missing out the actually important tags like dnb/drum and bass.


[Eternal]
  1. I guess left-low corner didn't need any attention
  2. 01:00:945 (1) - what's the point of shapes like this? they look ugly, forced, red dots don't follow any point of the music and if they're changed in something more good-looking, playability of the map doesn't change.
  3. 01:16:030 (1) - same as ^ tbh
  4. 01:16:545 (3) - other forced shape
  5. 01:48:430 (8,2) - Unnecessary and bad looking overlap
  6. 02:32:488 (10,11,1) - what the hell lol please manually stack those with like 0.1/0.2 distance snap because yeah
  7. 02:38:830 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - why not moving it so (5) stacks with 02:37:802 (9) - ?
  8. 02:45:516 (3,4,5) - this needs to get manually stacked too.
  9. 04:06:602 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5) - I guess you just got lazy to follow the rhythm? I don't understand
Topic Starter
Koalazy
BN可以幫人按kd,用火

felys wrote:

Since you completely ignored the bg issue and didn't answer me after two days, I'm going to point out other major problems points, hoping I get actually noticed and don't just get ignored because this map is bubbled and "has the quality to get ranked" (lmao).
i did not ignore the bg problem, i've replied back like some replies ago. well, hope my words can help you understand instead of some words like lmao
[General]
  1. The tags, " i19 koa%wer koapower stream".
    First word is the name of one of the five girls in the bg. First of all, tags shouldn't be used for name of the girls in an irrelevant bg that is also highly recommended to change, but also, why did you put only one name out of five? This doesn't make sense, the ranking criteria is not made for putting random bgs and for using tags only about the preferred girls.
    Why are "koa%wer koapower" in the tags? that's words you used for other graveyard maps right? then those doesn't make sense here. Last people I remember using this kind of thing was GoldenWolf with "woof" but he had to remove it after Kanjou no Matenrou ~ World's End.
    "stream", heh, really? People never tags maps going for ranked with "jump", "stream" or, idk "a lot of triplets", there's no point in keeping that.
  2. you're totally missing out the actually important tags like dnb/drum and bass.

i've read ranking criteria, and sadly i've not found any guildlines of tags besides gd tags. if my way of searching this map is actually not the way tag works i will remove it. tbh i've never type any keywords like drum and bass or vocaloid to find songs. i use like certain diff name (koa%wer) or mapper to find those series of maps

[Eternal]
  1. I guess left-low corner didn't need any attention is this a problem?
  2. 01:00:945 (1) - what's the point of shapes like this? they look ugly, forced, red dots don't follow any point of the music and if they're changed in something more good-looking, playability of the map doesn't change. it is good looking to me tbh
  3. 01:16:030 (1) - same as ^ tbh ^ tbh
  4. 01:16:545 (3) - other forced shape ^
  5. 01:48:430 (8,2) - Unnecessary and bad looking overlap sorry this is not a problem
    (oops missed :P )
  6. 02:32:488 (10,11,1) - what the hell lol please manually stack those with like 0.1/0.2 distance snap because yeah oh, didn't notice that
  7. 02:38:830 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - why not moving it so (5) stacks with 02:37:802 (9) - ? because unnecessary
  8. 02:45:516 (3,4,5) - this needs to get manually stacked too. ^
  9. 04:06:602 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5) - I guess you just got lazy to follow the rhythm? I don't understand well, borrow your words, "I guess you just got lazy to listen to the music?"
:>
egg and cheese
the tags "dnb" and "drum and bass" are usually added to the metadata if the song is a dnb song, for example ranked feint maps and the already ranked united! it's something we agreed of and i don't think you'll be waiting on a DQ only because you missed the "dnb" tag!

if u want me to link some songs to where the tag "dnb" was needed feel free to ask

dnb makes the clear difference in song type electronic that is usually found. "drumstep" has also been seen some times just to get the clear difference between the type of song, as electronic covers a damn lot lol


>also could u maybe give the bg explenation in english too because most people don't understand asian languages ;w;
Topic Starter
Koalazy
let me explain why i think bg is fine to me
about the rain sound at the intro part, and also as the music begins, i feel the sound 00:15:687 - is something make ripple (idk if my english works here), near 00:23:916 - the rain starts to fade, i explain it as they are getting underwater, the ripple sound i can imagine is the ripple of the raindrops hitting the surface and also the sonar underwater
so the bg itself is showing light on the top side, that shows they are in the depth that are still near the surface of the ocean, rain sounds make sense like you start from surface at first and dive into the water, ripple sounds make sense like raindrops, and diving into water->sonar
girls in the bg shows they are allies standing at the same line, this is the explanation of united
if you are talking about the kantai series in this map, this is an original song, it fits any series bg not just original ones, sadly i have not found any better original bgs besides this to show united. if i'm not mistaken highscore used kantai in the bg too, if the connection of it is "game", i have to say there are no such "highscore" stuff in kantai game, tbh original song use this bg is not similar to SAO bg on a Ryu* song.
and someone mentioned male sound throughout the song, i don't think it is a problem because you can just consider the male the narrator

i used google translate hope you guys can understand my words
Togetic
The reason why Highscore had a kantai bg was because the xkito video where the song was found used that same bg. Also, it fits Highscore better because kantai collection is a game and the term "Highscore" is from videogames. I would still recommend changing the bg. The reasonings that you said only really contribute for the beginning of the song where the rain noises are. Also, the girls in the bg don't say "united" or "team". It just looks like a generic anime background. This may be subjective but I'm confident most people would agree with me. Not being able to find a more suitable bg seems more lazy than a proper excuse. It's okay to have some anime style bg, but this one just doesn't fit the song well at all. Also, if many people mutually agree that the bg should be changed, then I think that's a sign to consider replacing this bg. For these reasons, I highly recommend to change the bg of this map.

Good luck!
Topic Starter
Koalazy

Togetic wrote:

The reason why Highscore had a kantai bg was because the xkito video where the song was found used that same bg. Also, it fits Highscore better because kantai collection is a game and the term "Highscore" is from videogames. well if through this connection make sense, then my explanation make sense
I would still recommend changing the bg. The reasonings that you said only really contribute for the beginning of the song where the rain noises are. i mentioned that is because that's the unique part of the song to explain the bg, climax of the song can be explained as battles those girls encountered, too
Also, the girls in the bg don't say "united" or "team". It just looks like a generic anime background. girls in the bg definitely shows united, they are allies and stay in the same team, maybe you define 2D characters bg all anime i guess.
This may be subjective but I'm confident most people would agree with me. it is subjective, mine is subjective, too. but that is actually an explanation comes from, isn't it?
Not being able to find a more suitable bg seems more lazy than a proper excuse. It's okay to have some anime style bg, but this one just doesn't fit the song well at all. sadly i was telling you the truth, i've find many but no bgs match my satisfaction, you think it doesn't fit but i do feel it good, that's why i even use google translate to explain my thoughts to you guys.
Also, if many people mutually agree that the bg should be changed, then I think that's a sign to consider replacing this bg. For these reasons, I highly recommend to change the bg of this map. if you are aiming for a bg change, sure, but i have to find something better than current version and satisfy my expectation.

Good luck!
many of my thoughts are subjective, of course, if not subjective why should i even bother to type those out? (no one cares what mapper thinks anyway lol)
bg is a choice of the mapper, i think it fits and gave out explanation to you guys
ironically no one mentioned bg choice before it get bubbled.
Lefafel
This looks as good as graveyarded at this point, so I probably shouldn't even bother posting, but your very last sentence really irks me:
ironically no one mentioned bg choice before it get bubbled.
Let me tell you why there was no outside attention for this set before it somehow got bubbled.

You've remapped one of the more iconic pieces of music in this game, which means you're already in a vast pool of duplicates and are competing for clicks that way. You've slapped on a BG from an obviously unrelated and massively popular franchise that doesn't really even fit your self-explained vision of the song. Already you've turned away a big chunk of random beatmap browsers. But what did the few people who actually ended up clicking on this god-forsaken beatmap entry see? A difficulty name that was a meme, and tags that looked like nothing more than gibberish. Great.

Now, if by some miraculous chance, someone, after seeing all this, did go ahead and download the map anyway, what did they get to experience in-game? A lazy, repetitive, washed-out version of the classic that is Asphyxia's United. Nothing unique, no twist, just a dumbed-down United. And you expect anyone to have thought of your map as a serious attempt at a ranked product? This submission looked, smelled and tasted like a bad meme, not a serious beatmap. THAT is why there was nobody in the thread to point these issues out. You weren't being taken seriously.

It must be really infuriating that this somehow gathered enough attention after the first bubble, and you couldn't just slip this through to qualified silently when it'd be too late for you to have to fix anything. Better luck next time I guess.

Oh, and to avoid being completely non-productive, here's a couple BGs that somewhat fit your "vision" of the music (which I actually agree with, to an extent), but aren't from god damn Kancolle:


Topic Starter
Koalazy

LefafeI wrote:

This looks as good as graveyarded at this point, so I probably shouldn't even bother posting, but your very last sentence really irks me:
ironically no one mentioned bg choice before it get bubbled.
Let me tell you why there was no outside attention for this set before it somehow got bubbled.

You've remapped one of the more iconic pieces of music in this game, which means you're already in a vast pool of duplicates and are competing for clicks that way. You've slapped on a BG from an obviously unrelated and massively popular franchise that doesn't really even fit your self-explained vision of the song. i do explained it in my eyes and thoughts, fit or not is subjective this way
Already you've turned away a big chunk of random beatmap browsers. But what did the few people who actually ended up clicking on this god-forsaken beatmap entry see? A difficulty name that was a meme, and tags that looked like nothing more than gibberish. Great.
changed the diff name, and considered the tag already.

Now, if by some miraculous chance, someone, after seeing all this, did go ahead and download the map anyway, what did they get to experience in-game? A lazy, repetitive, washed-out version of the classic that is Asphyxia's United. Nothing unique, no twist, just a dumbed-down United. And you expect anyone to have thought of your map as a serious attempt at a ranked product? yes, i'm serious, and i can somehow understand why it is quite lazy, repetitive, wash-out in your eyes. if looking into the famous(as you said) Asphyxia's united deeper you can find there are many undermapping or even overmapping stuff i cannot really understand why is the beat there or be ignored. so i made my own version to express the real united beats, and this is what it should be like+my own mapping concept. what i've discovered is that many people just don't understand where the beats are from instead of "oh, streams, 2hard4me". and some others comes to disagree my spacings stuffs, and thus i've asked ppls' opinion, well as a conclusion ppl have different views on it.
This submission looked, smelled and tasted like a bad meme, not a serious beatmap. THAT is why there was nobody in the thread to point these issues out. You weren't being taken seriously.sadly i agree with you

It must be really infuriating that this somehow gathered enough attention after the first bubble, and you couldn't just slip this through to qualified silently when it'd be too late for you to have to fix anything. Better luck next time I guess. um actually no, i don't think attention is the problem though, the problem is the "attention" is not trying to understand my thoughts and map (if someone read the whole thread miraculously), and i was trying to explain stuffs > ppl doesn't even care my effort and thoughts in this map(instead like lazy, not unique, or just like you thinking this map is not a serious product) > more ppl come, more different opinions made those kinda mixed. well at least ppl seems disagree my BG choice, and my explanation doesn't work to you anyways. i have already consider it through months, this bg still works to me.

Oh, and to avoid being completely non-productive, here's a couple BGs that somewhat fit your "vision" of the music (which I actually agree with, to an extent), but aren't from god damn Kancolle:


i must say thank you to this, i will consider it.
thank you! i'm really glad that at least you still type your thoughts out
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