19:54 adrilolo9: hey dude
19:54 adrilolo9: ^^
19:54 Zectro: yoo
19:55 adrilolo9: can i ask you something?
19:55 Zectro: ofc
19:55 adrilolo9: can u check my map and give some tips/tricks to make it rankeable?
19:56 adrilolo9: cause
19:56 adrilolo9: i've been chatting with a lot of mappers
19:56 adrilolo9: they think my map is bullshit :(
19:57 adrilolo9: but also i've been requesting ppl to test play it
19:57 adrilolo9: and they think the map is fun/good...
19:57 adrilolo9: ;w;
19:57 adrilolo9: so i'm reaaaally reaaally lost
19:58 Zectro: well i haven't looked at the map yet myself obviously but if other EXPERIENCED mappers say its bad then you probably just dont have enough experience with mapping
19:58 Zectro: which you dont since this is your 2nd map 
19:58 Zectro: but ill look at it in a bit
19:58 *adrilolo9 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1025298 3-nen E-gumi Utatan - BYE BYE YESTERDAY]
19:58 adrilolo9: 4th
19:58 adrilolo9: actually
19:58 adrilolo9: xD
19:59 Zectro: my maps are all shitty and unrankable and just for graveyard fun until about my 7th map
19:59 Zectro: and i also had a lot of unsubmitted stuff
20:01 Zectro: yeah it was as i expected
20:01 Zectro: the map is not bad at all
20:01 Zectro: and it seems really fun
20:02 Zectro: the thing is that the bar for getting maps ranked is just SO incredibly high. i dont recommend trying to rank stuff unless you are a top tier mapper with a LOT of experience
20:02 adrilolo9: :(
20:02 Zectro: and you just dont have enough experience yet. but as i said that doesnt change the fact that the map seems very fun and it basically makes sense
20:03 Zectro: so keep mapping please :)
20:03 adrilolo9: man
20:03 adrilolo9: my problem is
20:03 adrilolo9: :
20:03 adrilolo9: THERE'S NOBODY THAT SAYS K YOU'RE DOING THIS SO BAD DO THIS TO FIX IT
20:04 adrilolo9: i ask ppl for test plays and they say
20:04 adrilolo9: oh it's really nice
20:04 Zectro: your general use of patterns
20:04 adrilolo9: good map
20:04 adrilolo9: so
20:04 adrilolo9: i can't become better
20:04 Zectro: like
20:04 Zectro: ur not doing anything specific wrong
20:04 Zectro: its LITERALLY just ur choices in how to map because you lack experience
20:05 Zectro: so you CAN become better, just move on and map new songs to get more experience
20:05 adrilolo9: .-.
20:05 adrilolo9: can i ask you
20:06 adrilolo9: what would u change of my map?
20:06 adrilolo9: or it's like:
20:06 adrilolo9: everything?
20:06 Zectro: i would make spacing less in beginning aka 00:06:919 - till 00:12:419 - 
20:07 adrilolo9: aha
20:07 Zectro: `also your patterns are kind of repetitive, you dont do much interesting things
20:07 adrilolo9: k that's useful
20:07 Zectro: just circle slider circle circle slider etc
20:07 adrilolo9: so what's an interesting pattern
20:07 adrilolo9: cause everytime
20:07 adrilolo9: i made an interesting pattern
20:07 adrilolo9: there's a guy that says
20:07 Zectro: try to look at similar ranked songs
20:07 Zectro: and copy those patterns
20:08 Zectro: dont be afraid to copy patterns
20:08 Zectro: since its just to learn anyways
20:08 adrilolo9: you're breaking mapping rules this map sucks
20:08 Zectro: in the future you can come up with your own patterns but for now its totally fine to copy patterns from ranked maps
20:08 adrilolo9: .-.
20:08 Zectro: its actually really good to copy patterns in the beginning to use as reference
20:08 adrilolo9: ok...
20:09 adrilolo9: i see...
20:09 Zectro: also remember that sliderheads (the part of the slider you click) is supposed to be on a stronger sound than the slider tail (the part of the slider you let go)
20:09 adrilolo9: aha
20:10 Zectro: for example, 00:21:919 (1) - , 00:21:919 - is a lower/less important sound than 00:22:086 - 
20:10 Zectro: same for 00:22:253 (2) - 
20:10 Zectro: so having a circle at 00:21:919 - and a slider at 00:22:086 - and another circle at 00:22:419 -  would fix this
20:11 adrilolo9: so maybe this will be fixed by add 1 note
20:11 adrilolo9: then move the slider to the white tick
20:11 Zectro: yes
20:11 adrilolo9: and another note at the end=
20:11 adrilolo9: ?
20:11 Zectro: like http://puu.sh/qRBzj/63307d0021.jpg yes
20:12 adrilolo9: ye
20:12 adrilolo9: ok
20:13 Zectro: alright so
20:13 Zectro: in parts like 00:31:419 (2,3,4,5,6) - your spacing is way smaller than 00:32:919 (8,9,10,11) - 
20:13 Zectro: 00:32:919 (8,9,10,11) -  is across the whole playfield while 00:31:419 (2,3,4,5,6) - is just a small part of it
20:14 Zectro: get what i mean? it doesnt really fit together since the song doesnt dramatically change at 00:32:919 (8,9,10,11) - 
20:14 adrilolo9: oh
20:14 Zectro: so i recommend making the spacing of 00:32:919 (8,9,10,11) - smaller
20:14 adrilolo9: yes i see
20:14 adrilolo9: so
20:14 adrilolo9: maybe it will be better
20:14 adrilolo9: to follow the same spacing till the kiai
20:15 adrilolo9: then space it more
20:15 Zectro: yes
20:15 Zectro: well 
20:15 Zectro: you indicated the sections with bookmarks yourself
20:16 adrilolo9: yep
20:16 Zectro: i think you can have small ish spacing at 00:06:919 - to 00:12:086 - 
20:16 Zectro: then a bit bigger from 00:12:086 -  to 00:28:086 - 
20:16 Zectro: then a bit smaller again from 00:28:086 - to 00:38:753 - 
20:16 Zectro: and then a bit bigger again for the buildup from 00:38:753 - to kiai
20:16 Zectro: and kiai can be as big as you want
20:17 Zectro: so basically its fine 
20:17 adrilolo9: ok
20:17 Zectro: if you make 00:32:919 (8,9,10,11) - smaller then its ok
20:18 adrilolo9: ok
20:18 Zectro: the kiai is cool. only 01:12:253 (9,10) - catched my eye, since the spacing of 01:12:253 (9,10) - is very small compared to the rest of the kiai and it doesnt fit
20:19 adrilolo9: ok
20:19 adrilolo9: so try to space it more right?
20:19 Zectro: yes
20:19 Zectro: i think from 01:21:419 - to 01:26:586 - you should fill in all the blank spaces like 01:21:586 - 01:22:586 - 01:23:086 - 01:24:253 - etc since there is still a lot of music in the background that you are ignoring
20:19 Zectro: 01:26:586 - till end is fine tho
20:20 Zectro: you dont have to fill in ALL the spaces but at least a few
20:20 adrilolo9: yay+
20:21 Zectro: now lets look at NC's
20:21 Zectro: 00:08:086 (6) - nc this
20:21 adrilolo9: NC's?
20:22 adrilolo9: oh
20:22 adrilolo9: new combos
20:22 Zectro: new combo
20:22 Zectro: yes
20:22 adrilolo9: ye
20:22 adrilolo9: got it
20:22 Zectro: 00:10:586 (1) - delete this nc and nc the next note at 00:10:753 - instead
20:22 Zectro: cuz you always want to give priority to nc the notes on those big white ticks
20:23 Zectro: 00:11:419 (1) - delete this nc and nc note at 00:12:086 -  etc
20:23 Zectro: it may seem weird at first but its the right way to do it
20:23 adrilolo9: ok
20:23 Zectro: 00:12:419 (1) - delete this nc
20:23 adrilolo9: ye
20:23 Zectro: 00:13:419 (6) - nc this
20:23 adrilolo9: that note
20:23 adrilolo9: xd
20:23 Zectro: 00:14:086 (1) - delete this nc
20:23 Zectro: nc 00:14:753 (7) - 
20:24 Zectro: nc 00:16:086 (7) - 
20:24 Zectro: 00:17:419 (4) - nc this
20:24 Zectro: 00:18:753 (6) - nc this
20:24 Zectro: 00:21:253 (6) - nc this, even though the big white tick is in the middle, you should still nc it
20:24 Zectro: 00:21:919 (1) - delete this nc
20:25 Zectro: 00:22:753 (7) - nc this
20:25 Zectro: 00:23:086 (1) - delete nc
20:25 Zectro: 00:24:086 (7) -  nc
20:25 adrilolo9: .-.
20:25 adrilolo9: but
20:25 adrilolo9: big white tick
20:25 adrilolo9: in the middle
20:25 adrilolo9: it's like no nc
20:25 adrilolo9: at least that was what some mappers told me
20:26 Zectro: no you should still nc it xd
20:26 adrilolo9: ok..
20:26 adrilolo9: done.
20:26 Zectro: 00:26:586 (5) - still nc this even though big white tick is on the sliderend
20:26 Zectro: its just that normally you wouldnt have sliderends on big white ticks etc
20:27 Zectro: since big white ticks are usually important sounds
20:27 Zectro: but you chose to have sliders on them so also sliderends, so you HAVE to nc :l
20:27 adrilolo9: k
20:27 Zectro: 00:29:419 (5) - nc 
20:27 adrilolo9: so
20:27 Zectro: 00:30:753 (6) - nc 00:31:253 (1) - delete nc
20:27 adrilolo9: 00:08:086 (6) -
20:27 adrilolo9: ^this
20:27 Zectro: ya nc it
20:28 adrilolo9: pishifat told me to not map a note there
20:28 adrilolo9: even tho it was a big white tick
20:28 adrilolo9: ...
20:28 Zectro: yeah its usually that its important sounds
20:28 Zectro: but there are also exceptions
20:28 Zectro: mapping is complicated xd
20:28 adrilolo9: ;w;
20:28 Zectro: in this case its up to you, what you think fits best
20:30 adrilolo9: i prefer a note there
20:30 adrilolo9: owo
20:30 Zectro: okido
20:30 Zectro: 00:32:086 (5) - nc
20:30 Zectro: 00:33:419 (7) - nc
20:30 Zectro: 00:34:086 (1) - delete nc
20:30 Zectro: 00:34:753 (4) - nc
20:31 Zectro: 00:35:753 (4) - nc
20:31 Zectro: 00:37:419 (7) - nc
20:31 Zectro: 00:39:753 (5) - nc
20:31 Zectro: NVM
20:31 Zectro: DONT NC 00:39:753 (5) - MY BAD
20:31 Zectro: nc 00:40:086 (6) - instead xd
20:31 adrilolo9: np
20:31 adrilolo9: xd
20:31 Zectro: 00:41:086 (5) - nc
20:31 Zectro: 00:41:919 (1) - delete nc
20:31 Zectro: 00:42:753 (5) - nc
20:31 adrilolo9: tha fuck man my nc skills are "awesome"!
20:31 adrilolo9: ;w;
20:32 Zectro: 00:46:753 (8) - nc 00:47:253 (1) - delete nc
20:32 Zectro: lol its ok
20:32 Zectro: i didnt know what i was doing too until my 5th map or sth
20:32 Zectro: well until someone showed me xD
20:32 Zectro: 00:48:086 (7) - nc
20:32 adrilolo9: lol
20:32 Zectro: in kiai just nc every big white tick ok
20:32 Zectro: and delete every nc thats not on big white tick
20:33 adrilolo9: special reason for this?
20:33 adrilolo9: like
20:33 adrilolo9: why every big white tick?
20:34 Zectro: because then combos are not too long. also big white ticks are usually important as i said so its a general guideline to nc on those. since then every player expects it and its easier to read
20:34 adrilolo9: i see
20:35 adrilolo9: so i should remap all the kiai then
20:35 adrilolo9: cause nc
20:35 Zectro: idk i thought kiai was cool
20:35 adrilolo9: but
20:35 adrilolo9: if you break
20:35 adrilolo9: a combo
20:35 adrilolo9: like
20:36 adrilolo9: 12345 big spacing
20:36 Zectro: thats fine 
20:36 adrilolo9: oh ok
20:39 adrilolo9: btw
20:39 adrilolo9: u should copy this in the post
20:39 adrilolo9: i'll give you kudosu
20:39 adrilolo9: ^^
20:39 Zectro: also nc 01:28:086 (4) -  btw
20:40 Zectro: and delete nc on 01:28:586 (1) -