Endaris wrote:

DT and HT have some wicked accuracy shifts.
So.
The hitareas are shifted. On HT you're more likely to hit early.
Also there is a flat pp-amount you gain from just achieving scores on more ranked sets. It goes up to 416pp if i remember correctly so there's quite some to gain if you have a low amount of ranked maps played.
So uh
Just read the pp-wiki-page?

Quinten wrote:

Maybe someone with more pp than you got a shitty fc with lower accuracy than his previous one and his pp dropped because of that.
He dropped like 1 pp under you and you gained one rank as a result?

Endaris wrote:

Also there is a flat pp-amount you gain from just achieving scores on more ranked sets. It goes up to 416pp if i remember correctly so there's quite some to gain if you have a low amount of ranked maps played.

MEEEEE! wrote:

and no, those are not bonus pp - i already have like 40k plays, you don't get that much bonus pp that late anymore.

mulraf wrote:

and no, those are not bonus pp - i already have like 40k plays, you don't get that much bonus pp that late anymore.

You get ranks when you pass people with less total score than you and same pp.

mulraf wrote:

it really isn't bonus pp's. i'm 100% sure and i can also argue why.

first of all to sum up the wiki: here's a table: http://w.ppy.sh/f/f7/Osubonuspp.png
and here's the formula: 416.6667 (1- 0.9994^Number_of_scores)
so number of scores. yeah, it's true that playcount is not the same as number of scores. because you usually play maps more than once. so i'd say i have probably around 15k scores. but let's just assume i have like 5k which is a really, really low assumption.

416.6667 (1-0.9994^5000) = 395.941
416.6667 (1-0.9994^5001) = 395.953

one score = 0.012 pp more
so it's true that it's reasonable to gain a few ranks when i play a map from time to time.
but not for every. single. map.

and secondly: why do i only get +ranks when i play those hard maps with ht and not when i just download a random new map and get a score there?

You get ranks when you pass people with less total score than you and same pp.

alright. that sounds reasonable. guess that might be more likely the case but still a bit weird since for some of the maps i only got less than 600k score and with 11.000.000.000 ranked score it shouldn't happen that often to pass others around my skill level :/

StephOsu wrote:

are you sure you have 5k submitted scores in the first place?
you only have slightly more than 2k of scores submitted as SS/S/A. I find it hard to believe that you have another close to 3k worth of scores submitted below rank A since it's actually fairly easy to get higher than rank A as long as you aren't mashing
as you see from the graph, you simply need 2434-2270=164 submitted scores to get 10pp around that play count
Along with the fact that ranks were counted in pp in decimals and you are only 3.4k pp, it's fair to have every score you submit to get you rank as long as no one around you is gaining/losing pp at that moment
to put it into perspective, you have 3443 pp right now and I have 3563pp right now
we only have 120pp different yet we have almost 2k in rank difference
that explains how competitive in terms of pp it was within our rank range

mulraf wrote:

StephOsu wrote:

are you sure you have 5k submitted scores in the first place?
you only have slightly more than 2k of scores submitted as SS/S/A. I find it hard to believe that you have another close to 3k worth of scores submitted below rank A since it's actually fairly easy to get higher than rank A as long as you aren't mashing
as you see from the graph, you simply need 2434-2270=164 submitted scores to get 10pp around that play count
Along with the fact that ranks were counted in pp in decimals and you are only 3.4k pp, it's fair to have every score you submit to get you rank as long as no one around you is gaining/losing pp at that moment
to put it into perspective, you have 3443 pp right now and I have 3563pp right now
we only have 120pp different yet we have almost 2k in rank difference
that explains how competitive in terms of pp it was within our rank range

guess i partly have to admit defeat here. didn't think i have that few plays. counted them by rank achieved - 2682 ranks.
120 pp = 2.000
1pp = 16,67
probably a little more lower in that range so i guess about 30 people with the same pp sounds reasonable.
counted it through - 15 maps i played yesterday. for each one +1 or +2 ranks so all in all about +20 ranks
so 416.6667 (1-0.9994^2682) = 333.35
416.6667 (1-0.9994^2683) = 333.40
so 0.05 pp.
1/30 = 0.033 pp; 0.05 > 0.033
hm.... a bit sad to admit it after writing "100% sure" but i guess that's an explanation.
doesn't completely answer why i usually don't get +ranks while playing other new maps but i guess that could be due to coincidence or something.
sorry to all the peeps i didn't really trust but you gotta admit that with such a high playcount you wouldn't think that you still get that many bonus pp