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Yoko Shimomura - They're Pretty Tough, Should W...

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Toy
Former osu! Champion: 2019 / Grilled Dodongo
1,505 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
Toy
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 10:23:37 PM

Artist: Yoko Shimomura
Title: They're Pretty Tough, Should We be Careful!?
Source: Mario & Luigi Bowser's Inside Story
BPM: 184
Filesize: 1622kb
Play Time: 01:10
Difficulties Available:
  1. Fawful (5.69 stars, 381 notes)
  2. Hobbes2's Insane (4.78 stars, 333 notes)
Download: Yoko Shimomura - They're Pretty Tough, Should We be Careful!?
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Hobbes2's Insane by Hobbes2
Hitsounds by AnimeStyle
Last edited by Toy , edited 8 times in total.
Izzywing
osu! Alumni
2,248 posts
Joined March 2016
Izzywing
hollyyy shit i love this song

Also, isn't this song called "Tough Guy Alert"? I feel like I've seen both names though. For example, in sm4sh, they call it Tough Guy Alert

would love to make an insane / hard for this song C:
jiaxunjason
60 posts
Joined August 2015
jiaxunjason
M4M from your queue

General
SPOILER
-You should add tags to your map
-You still need to add in Kiai and Hitsounding as well
-A lot of the jumps feel uneven, most of them can be changed into more symmetrical shapes.
-I find that the jump distance changes a lot even in places where I don't think it should like at 00:58:139 (3,4,5,6,7) for example
-Your jumps into kicksliders are all very small, like at 00:05:965 (4,5). Why is that?
-Imo the curved sliders are kind of boring, so I think you should add some variety to your sliders.
-The beatmap background is recommended to be 1366x768, so consider changing/editing your current background


Fawful
SPOILER
00:00:748 (4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe make these into an equilateral triangle?
00:01:400 (1,2,3,4,5) - Make these notes into a star formation
00:02:542 (8,1) - The jump here is really big, maybe have the jump to 00:02:542 (8) go up instead of down
00:05:313 (1) - Move this NC to 00:04:987 (5) since they both follow the same kind of sound
00:05:639 (2) - Consider adding NC here since it's a new sound
00:06:618 (1,2,3,4,5) - This stream looks kind of boring imo
00:08:900 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary
00:09:552 (1,2,3,4) - You should make these notes into a trapezoid shape like you did at 00:07:107 (6,7,8,9)
00:10:205 (6,1) - Same as before, change the NC around and add NC at 00:10:857 (2)
00:10:857 (2,3,4,5) - Should probably turn these into a trapezoid as well
00:12:324 (3,4) - Why is this jump farther than 00:12:161 (2,3)? I don't think there's anything in the music that warrants it
00:12:324 (3,4,5,6) - Make these into either a trapezoid or a rectangle
00:14:933 (3,4,5) - I don't think there needs to be an increase in jump distance here
00:15:422 (7,1) - Change NC and NC on 00:16:074 (2)
00:17:868 (4,5,6) - Should make this straight since this section is just a straight line
00:19:498 (6) - Maybe stack this with the end of 00:18:683 (2)
00:19:661 (1,1,1,1) - I don't think it's necessary to have all these be NC
00:21:292 (3,4,5) - These should form an equilateral triangle I think
00:22:107 (8) - Move this note so it isn't in the middle of 00:20:965 (1)
00:25:857 (11,1) - Change NC and NC 00:26:509 (2)
00:28:792 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Make these symmetrical so it looks better. Also, why such big jumps?
00:30:096 (1,2,3,4,5) - this star is a bit uneven
00:31:074 (8,1) - Change NC, NC 00:31:726 (2)
00:34:988 (5,6) - This jump seems really big
00:35:313 (1,1,1,1,1) - Again, don't think all the NC is necessary
00:36:618 (1,1) - This jump is quite big
00:39:226 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary since you're still following the same sound
00:41:835 (1) - ^
00:44:444 (1) - ^
00:48:357 (1) - Move the NC to 00:48:520 (2) since that is where the change in melody is
00:49:009 (4,5,7,8) - Should make these four notes even by making them into a trapezoid
00:50:639 (6) - Consider making the y value of this same as 00:49:661 (1)
00:53:900 (2,3,4) - These should be equilateral
00:56:509 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Imo, I think this pattern is too linear and doesn't look good. If you decide to stick with it, you should at least move 00:57:324 (8) so that the pattern stays consistent
00:58:139 (3,4,5,6,7) - Make these equilateral
01:06:944 (2,3,4) - ^
Toy
Former osu! Champion: 2019 / Grilled Dodongo
1,505 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
Toy
:x

jiaxunjason wrote:

M4M from your queue

General
SPOILER
-You should add tags to your map I'll get around to it, yeah
-You still need to add in Kiai and Hitsounding as well kiai is added, I'll add hitsounding in the future
-A lot of the jumps feel uneven, most of them can be changed into more symmetrical shapes. Most of my jumps are intentionally inconsistent with spacing to try to capture the emphasis I hear on different notes Ex: 00:04:172 (1,2,3,4,5) - though I'll probably try to exaggerate some more so they don't seem like they're just randomly placed
-I find that the jump distance changes a lot even in places where I don't think it should like at 00:58:139 (3,4,5,6,7) for example it's mostly just me trying to emulate the "build-up" from the marimba
-Your jumps into kicksliders are all very small, like at 00:05:965 (4,5). Why is that? again just trying to emphasize certain notes by using larger spacing for more powerful notes, and the notes before triples sound weak to me = less spacing
-Imo the curved sliders are kind of boring, so I think you should add some variety to your sliders. you're probably right, it's not a very fancy song but it could use some variety
-The beatmap background is recommended to be 1366x768, so consider changing/editing your current backgroundoo yeah i should fix that haha


Fawful
SPOILER
00:00:748 (4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe make these into an equilateral triangle? yeee
00:01:400 (1,2,3,4,5) - Make these notes into a star formation actually these should be spaced like the previous pattern but it's wonky right now
00:02:542 (8,1) - The jump here is really big, maybe have the jump to 00:02:542 (8) go up instead of down used to emphasize the crash cymbal on the downbeat
00:05:313 (1) - Move this NC to 00:04:987 (5) since they both follow the same kind of sound the downbeat needs to be NCd and I don't really like how it looks if they're both NCs
00:05:639 (2) - Consider adding NC here since it's a new sound actually yeah this is kinda nice, isolates the impact of the slider. changed for all future instances of the sound
00:06:618 (1,2,3,4,5) - This stream looks kind of boring imo i like that it matches the one later but i'll consider changing their shapes
00:08:900 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary mistake, thanks
00:09:552 (1,2,3,4) - You should make these notes into a trapezoid shape like you did at 00:07:107 (6,7,8,9) oo yeah nice
00:10:205 (6,1) - Same as before, change the NC around and add NC at 00:10:857 (2) yeah i went through and changed stuff
00:10:857 (2,3,4,5) - Should probably turn these into a trapezoid as well not a ton of room and it's kinda ugly but it's a trapezoid now
00:12:324 (3,4) - Why is this jump farther than 00:12:161 (2,3)? I don't think there's anything in the music that warrants it yeah, made a triangle and emphasized the jumps more
00:12:324 (3,4,5,6) - Make these into either a trapezoid or a rectangle changed above
00:14:933 (3,4,5) - I don't think there needs to be an increase in jump distance here following the marimba going up in the scale
00:15:422 (7,1) - Change NC and NC on 00:16:074 (2) y e
00:17:868 (4,5,6) - Should make this straight since this section is just a straight line aw but my overlap, i made the sliders beforhand angled so that the triple fits better
00:19:498 (6) - Maybe stack this with the end of 00:18:683 (2) oo clever i like this way better now
00:19:661 (1,1,1,1) - I don't think it's necessary to have all these be NC they're all increasing in SV so it's warranted
00:21:292 (3,4,5) - These should form an equilateral triangle I think yep done
00:22:107 (8) - Move this note so it isn't in the middle of 00:20:965 (1) shifted to make the jumps round out instead of jump back towards the center
00:25:857 (11,1) - Change NC and NC 00:26:509 (2) (〜￣△￣)〜
00:28:792 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Make these symmetrical so it looks better. Also, why such big jumps?
00:30:096 (1,2,3,4,5) - this star is a bit uneven didn't like the star, changed to fit the marimba again
00:31:074 (8,1) - Change NC, NC 00:31:726 (2) grrrrr
00:34:988 (5,6) - This jump seems really big moved stuff around to nerf
00:35:313 (1,1,1,1,1) - Again, don't think all the NC is necessary again, to signal SV changes
00:36:618 (1,1) - This jump is quite big seems reasonable now that i've moved stuff around
00:39:226 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary since you're still following the same sound tweaked it
00:41:835 (1) - ^ and
00:44:444 (1) - ^ this
00:48:357 (1) - Move the NC to 00:48:520 (2) since that is where the change in melody is i'm liking how it is on the downbeat, but i'll consider changing it if brought up again
00:49:009 (4,5,7,8) - Should make these four notes even by making them into a trapezoid i'm liking that
00:50:639 (6) - Consider making the y value of this same as 00:49:661 (1) done
00:53:900 (2,3,4) - These should be equilateral yeah, fixed these few patterns
00:56:509 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Imo, I think this pattern is too linear and doesn't look good. If you decide to stick with it, you should at least move 00:57:324 (8) so that the pattern stays consistent yeah it's not great but I changed the 8 to make it more rounded. if it comes up again i'll redo the pattern
00:58:139 (3,4,5,6,7) - Make these equilateral done
01:06:944 (2,3,4) - ^ these shouldn't have equal weight but 01:07:107 (3,4,5) - should
Thanks for the mod c:
Toy
Former osu! Champion: 2019 / Grilled Dodongo
1,505 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
Toy

Hobbes2 wrote:

hollyyy shit i love this song

Also, isn't this song called "Tough Guy Alert"? I feel like I've seen both names though. For example, in sm4sh, they call it Tough Guy Alert

would love to make an insane / hard for this song C:
Yeah go for it! could be nice to have a hard or a light insane.

about metadata, i'm not sure but I won't worry about it until I want to rank it
Izzywing
osu! Alumni
2,248 posts
Joined March 2016
Izzywing
Alright, here's an Insane. I hadn't seen your post stating that you preferred a Light Insane / hard until about 3/4 of the way through this, and I kinda didn't want to restart it lol. If you really prefer a Light Insane / Hard, you can let me know and I can make one of those instead.

it's a me, mario
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09kami
828 posts
Joined August 2010
09kami

09kami wrote:

Sorry to keep you waiting
[Fawful]

00:19:906 - 00:20:232 - 00:20:558 - 00:20:884 - mute

00:17:379 (2) - revise repeat slider

00:24:715 (1,2,3,4,5) - Spacing not the same 00:26:998 (4,5,6,7,8) - because of the difference between the rhythm

00:53:085 (3,4,5,6,7) - ↑

00:30:259 (2) - stack 00:29:118 (3) -

00:36:292 (1,1) - ....humm. test this
http://puu.sh/pXPxq/23dfbf095d.jpg

00:36:944 (1) - 00:46:726 (8) - About the rhythm is a little bad. i believe it should slow down .but your rhythm is dense.maybe it should follow another voice

01:02:705 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - This is a variable speed segment .no all 1/3
Cactipiller
74 posts
Joined October 2015
Cactipiller
M4M from Hobbes2's queue

Fawful
00:06:129 (4) - maybe move below 3 and point towards 5 for better flow
00:06:944 (5,6,7) - increase spacing between 5 and 6 and reduce spacing between 6 and 7 because 6 is where the flute part changes, but the high spacing between 6 and 7 puts the emphasis on 7 instead
00:10:042 (2,3) - maybe replace with a slider so you can have more distance between this and 4 to emphasize 4 more
00:17:868 (4,5,6) - have this go from right to left
00:19:254 (4,5) - maybe make these continue off in the direction of the slider
00:23:085 (8,9,10) - feels better to have this curve away from 7 rather than towards it
00:25:205 (6,7,8,9,10,11) - make combos here match 00:09:552 (1,2,1,2,3,4)
00:25:694 (9,10) - replace with a slider
00:30:911 (6,7) - ^
00:35:965 (1,1) - stack
00:38:737 (9,10) - reduce spacing because this is a big jump for a quiet section
00:43:955 (8,9) - ^
00:52:107 (6,1) - make the increase in spacing here consistent with the previous pattern
00:54:389 (5,6) - make 6 align with 5
01:08:574 (3) - move to where 2 is pointing

Hobbes2's Insane
00:00:911 (4) - make colinear with 3 and 5
00:10:857 (1,2) - weird flow maybe ctrl g 2 and rotate it counterclockwise a little
00:12:813 (6,1) - make an oval thing with 6 and 1 for better flow
00:20:639 (1,1) - move the stack so that the slider points to it
00:23:574 (1,2,3) - make jumps here because of the kicksliders
00:24:063 (1,2,3) - ^
00:35:150 (6) - maybe move down and left for better flow
00:56:020 (6,1) - increase spacing rather than stacking 1 with the previous slider

Good luck!
intiaz
1,006 posts
Joined March 2015
intiaz
Excellent map [Toy], I guess I'll leave a quick mod c:

Hobbes2's Insane:

00:00:096 - 00:01:237 - Maybe space these a little

Fawful:

00:02:705 to 00:03194 - Maybe space these jumps a little more, they seem too close

00:36:944 to 00:46:726 - The sliders and circles need a LITTLE more spacing

01:02:705 - 01:03:927 - Spacing again plz :v

I don't expect you to use these! They're pretty useful, should you be using them! :)
Jonarwhal
1,216 posts
Joined November 2013
Jonarwhal
M4M with Hobbes2
I recommend you go for rank because the map is nice.
[General]
  1. cut off a bit of the .mp3 at the end
  2. you have no hitsounds, that's unrankable
[Insane]
  1. 00:36:944 (1,2) - spacing could be misleading
[Fawful]
  1. 00:02:705 (1,2) - separate
  2. 00:23:574 (1,2,3,4,5) - either make this a star shape or curve it less
  3. 00:24:063 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
  4. 00:27:324 (8,3) - separate
  5. 00:47:052 (1) - symmetry with 00:46:400 (7) - this?
That's all, GL~!! :D
Izzywing
osu! Alumni
2,248 posts
Joined March 2016
Izzywing

Cactipiller wrote:

M4M from Hobbes2's queue

Hobbes2's Insane
00:00:911 (4) - make colinear with 3 and 5 Did something a bit different, but yeah same idea
00:10:857 (1,2) - weird flow maybe ctrl g 2 and rotate it counterclockwise a little I think this plays fine because of slider leniency.
00:12:813 (6,1) - make an oval thing with 6 and 1 for better flow Not sure what you mean but sure, I tried something
00:20:639 (1,1) - move the stack so that the slider points to it ok
00:23:574 (1,2,3) - make jumps here because of the kicksliders I think the spacing here is fine.
00:24:063 (1,2,3) - ^ Same as above. If this were to be spaced more, I think the difficulty would be a tad much for this bpm
00:35:150 (6) - maybe move down and left for better flow I think this flows fine, it's a nice sharp angle from 5 to 6 to 1
00:56:020 (6,1) - increase spacing rather than stacking 1 with the previous slider Yeah, I'll try this out. Might be a bit much but it does fit the song well to be fair.

Good luck!

Intiaz Haniff wrote:

Hobbes2's Insane:

00:00:096 - 00:01:237 - Maybe space these a little Fixed in the earlier mod

Jonawaga wrote:

[Insane]
00:36:944 (1,2) - spacing could be misleading stacked em
I'll hitsound it if Toy goes for rank.

update
osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:They're Pretty Tough, Should We be Careful!?
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Toy
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Toy

09kami wrote:

09kami wrote:

Sorry to keep you waiting
[Fawful]

00:19:906 - 00:20:232 - 00:20:558 - 00:20:884 - mute done

00:17:379 (2) - revise repeat slider seems fine

00:24:715 (1,2,3,4,5) - Spacing not the same 00:26:998 (4,5,6,7,8) - because of the difference between the rhythm changed

00:53:085 (3,4,5,6,7) - ↑ same

00:30:259 (2) - stack 00:29:118 (3) - done

00:36:292 (1,1) - ....humm. test this current shape is L for luigi
http://puu.sh/pXPxq/23dfbf095d.jpg

00:36:944 (1) - 00:46:726 (8) - About the rhythm is a little bad. i believe it should slow down .but your rhythm is dense.maybe it should follow another voice the map slows down but yeah the rhythm is dense

01:02:705 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - This is a variable speed segment .no all 1/3 i have no idea how to time this
thanks!
Toy
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I'm probably going to end up remapping this because it's pretty inherently bad lol, thanks for the mods though I didn't even know they were here
intiaz
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intiaz

[Toy] wrote:

I'm probably going to end up remapping this because it's pretty inherently bad lol, thanks for the mods though I didn't even know they were here
Oh well then :c
Let me know when full map in finished, would love to play it with my noobiness!
Izzywing
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@Toy, I think the offset is actually 90. 96 feels a bit late to me. If you change it I can resnap all of my stuff myself, so you don't have to worry about that.

Also, the part at 01:02:699 - I'm pretty sure is 1/3 as you have it.
Izzywing
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ahh this song is so good, when will we see toy's return as a god tier mapper :o
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