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  1. 00:22:380 (1) - why not using 1/4 reverse slider cause there's sound on 00:22:454 -
  2. 02:25:927 (2,3) - nazi
  3. 02:34:794 (1,2) - player(lik me) would confuse cause those sliders look same but play different. Maybe spliting 02:34:794 (1) - to two reverse sliders like 02:35:385 (2) - would be a good choice.
  4. 03:57:996 (3,3) - another nazi thing
  5. 04:16:173 (1,1,2,3,4) - Confusing, those notes looks like 1/2 (04:30:952 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -), I recommend using sliders when music suddenly changes so that players could adopt rhythm.

Nice map.
Topic Starter
-kevincela-

Lavender wrote:

Random mod
  1. 00:22:380 (1) - why not using 1/4 reverse slider cause there's sound on 00:22:454 - Wanted to highlight just the two main 1/2 sounds
  2. 02:25:927 (2,3) - nazi Pretty sure this was a manual stack done to avoid a stack problem
  3. 02:34:794 (1,2) - player(lik me) would confuse cause those sliders look same but play different. Maybe spliting 02:34:794 (1) - to two reverse sliders like 02:35:385 (2) - would be a good choice. While i get your point i don't think its actually that hard to read, plus the change in the 1/8 drums starts there so :P
  4. 03:57:996 (3,3) - another nazi thing made symmetrical
  5. 04:16:173 (1,1,2,3,4) - Confusing, those notes looks like 1/2 (04:30:952 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -), I recommend using sliders when music suddenly changes so that players could adopt rhythm. since basically everybody thought the same thing i ended up changing this part

Nice map.
Thanks <3
Monstrata
General

Consider using Stack Leniency 5 instead of 7 so patterns like 00:44:991 (2,2) - / 00:48:833 (3,1,2,3,1,2) - / 00:54:893 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - / look a bit cleaner.

Optical Isomer

00:15:287 (1,2,3) - Nothing major, but the visual spacing here is slightly off. Could make it consistent for a cleaner aesthetic/
00:27:553 (1,2,1) - 00:32:282 (1,2,3) - NC pattern could be consistent here.
00:39:893 (3) - Should be snapped to 1/3 tick.
00:40:779 (2,3) - Also should be 1/3.
01:06:420 (1,2,3) - This rhythm felt a bit odd imo. 01:06:567 (2,3) - Should be shifted 1/4 forward for the drum imo. Right now 2 doesn't really land on anything.
01:49:375 (5,1) - Snapping seems kinda cancer tbh... And the approach circle looks a lot different from 01:48:883 (2,3) - so it can confuse people when in such proximity. I would just pick either the kick or the vocal thing and not map both. Better to simplify rhythm here imo.
02:05:828 (3,1) - This arramangement looks kinda bad due to that bump. Try rotating 02:07:306 (1) - like 20 degrees from its slider tail (ctrl+G first then rotate then ctrl+g)
02:31:247 (1,2,1,2) - NC spam makes the slider-length increase more apparent. If the combo color is the same ppl won't spot the difference as quickly xD.
02:35:681 (1,2,4) - drum-clap + soft-hitnormal sounds pretty nice here. It's a good opportunity to break from the usual drum-hitnormal kick etc...
02:38:341 (1) - I would do a different slider design here just because the sound is so much different from the previous slider.
03:12:035 (1) - Cool design
03:21:346 (3,5) - Maybe NC here, either on the triplet or the slider? Long time without NC.
04:07:897 (1,1) - These two sliders could be more similar imo. As well, i don't think the SV change is necessary. You could avoid NC spam here so the pattern looks a bit more cohesive, considering it's structured to be relating to each other.
04:20:237 (1) - Red node could be in the center of the slider like how you do most of these patterns. Use the position of the slider-ball at 04:20:311 - for guide.
04:20:681 (1) - This one's slightly off too but now im nitpicking lol.
04:44:843 (1) - 04:49:572 (1) - The end of the tail becomes slightly off in terms of blanketting.

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Cool map. When you're ready :D
Topic Starter
-kevincela-

Monstrata wrote:

General

Consider using Stack Leniency 5 instead of 7 so patterns like 00:44:991 (2,2) - / 00:48:833 (3,1,2,3,1,2) - / 00:54:893 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - / look a bit cleaner. Sure thing!

Optical Isomer

00:15:287 (1,2,3) - Nothing major, but the visual spacing here is slightly off. Could make it consistent for a cleaner aesthetic/ Done
00:27:553 (1,2,1) - 00:32:282 (1,2,3) - NC pattern could be consistent here. Fixed!
00:39:893 (3) - Should be snapped to 1/3 tick. Fixed, it probably got messed up with i uploaded the new mp3
00:40:779 (2,3) - Also should be 1/3. ^
01:06:420 (1,2,3) - This rhythm felt a bit odd imo. 01:06:567 (2,3) - Should be shifted 1/4 forward for the drum imo. Right now 2 doesn't really land on anything. Good catch!
01:49:375 (5,1) - Snapping seems kinda cancer tbh... And the approach circle looks a lot different from 01:48:883 (2,3) - so it can confuse people when in such proximity. I would just pick either the kick or the vocal thing and not map both. Better to simplify rhythm here imo. Yeah, ended up following just the vocals :P
02:05:828 (3,1) - This arramangement looks kinda bad due to that bump. Try rotating 02:07:306 (1) - like 20 degrees from its slider tail (ctrl+G first then rotate then ctrl+g) Should be ok now
02:31:247 (1,2,1,2) - NC spam makes the slider-length increase more apparent. If the combo color is the same ppl won't spot the difference as quickly xD. Done!
02:35:681 (1,2,4) - drum-clap + soft-hitnormal sounds pretty nice here. It's a good opportunity to break from the usual drum-hitnormal kick etc... Done
02:38:341 (1) - I would do a different slider design here just because the sound is so much different from the previous slider. Used red nodes to underline the sharper sounds
03:12:035 (1) - Cool design Thanks!
03:21:346 (3,5) - Maybe NC here, either on the triplet or the slider? Long time without NC. Added
04:07:897 (1,1) - These two sliders could be more similar imo. As well, i don't think the SV change is necessary. You could avoid NC spam here so the pattern looks a bit more cohesive, considering it's structured to be relating to each other. I was trying to highlight the subtle sound that is present in the second part, but it is indeed so subtle that the map is probably better without it
04:20:237 (1) - Red node could be in the center of the slider like how you do most of these patterns. Use the position of the slider-ball at 04:20:311 - for guide. Done!
04:20:681 (1) - This one's slightly off too but now im nitpicking lol. Same
04:44:843 (1) - 04:49:572 (1) - The end of the tail becomes slightly off in terms of blanketting. Should be better now

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Cool map. When you're ready :D
Thanks for the very insightful mod!
Monstrata
Changes look good!

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YESSSS FINALLY
Lasse
mostly minor things lol

how about adding a muted normal-slidertick, would be fine since you dont' have slide muted and make spots like 02:53:119 (1) - 03:02:577 (1) - 03:12:035 (1) - sound much better

00:26:666 (1) - really minor, but how about removing the grey node from this? think that would make it look more "fitting" with the other shape here
00:54:597 (7) - having this as one simple stream feels like it doesnt emphasize this as well as it should, cause of the kick and to me it also sounds like there is some change in the sound you mapped this to here. something like a spacing/movement change for example would be great I think.
Or maybe a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/CyfmkSoq ?

00:56:370 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - would be great if you could take this whole thing and move it a bit to fix how weird autostacking makes 00:55:779 (2,1,2,3) - look as it felt quite noticeable to me when testplaying
01:07:011 (1,1) - this felt incredibly weird to read for me, pretty much any other placent for 01:07:306 - should be nicer lol
maybe something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/Jaj1Lpbj ?
01:12:774 (2,1,2,3) - might be nice if these overlapped a bit less just for readability cause you dont really do similar things in the map
01:13:809 (1,2) - completely personal suggestion, but I think cltrg on both individually would be great because it would visually break flow on 01:13:513 (3,1) - which would be great to how much music changes here and play really well too

01:16:026 (2,3,1) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/kEwOycxi I don't think that's on purpose
01:40:114 - how about adding a lower volume section here and putting whistles (default-soft) on the whole stream or something? sounds pretty empty right now
02:10:631 - could add a timing point here to reduce slidertick volume a bit as it sounds rather noisy
02:33:021 (9,1) - uh http://lasse.s-ul.eu/bFkRv6mF
03:12:035 (1) - I think you added green lines on this to change volume of the sliderwhistle? doesn't work though lol. you have to change sampleset whenever you want to change volume of slide/whistle during a slider. timing panel for the slider should look like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qheyjpSY (if you added the silenced normal-slidertick, also add it for sampleset2)
04:11:444 (1,2,3,4) - t his could probably use some hitsounding besides the finish // 04:30:361 (1,2,3,4) -
05:08:489 - wouldnt it be nicer to end the last spinner here already? map starts at 00:05:828 - so you have enough drain anyways
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should be all, poke me for #2 or something
Topic Starter
-kevincela-
Thanks for the mod, will go through it tomorrow!
Topic Starter
-kevincela-

Lasse wrote:

mostly minor things lol

how about adding a muted normal-slidertick, would be fine since you dont' have slide muted and make spots like 02:53:119 (1) - 03:02:577 (1) - 03:12:035 (1) - sound much better Done

00:26:666 (1) - really minor, but how about removing the grey node from this? think that would make it look more "fitting" with the other shape here Done
00:54:597 (7) - having this as one simple stream feels like it doesnt emphasize this as well as it should, cause of the kick and to me it also sounds like there is some change in the sound you mapped this to here. something like a spacing/movement change for example would be great I think.
Or maybe a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/CyfmkSoq ? Only thing which really stands out is the kick, and my intention was to keep the same spacing reflecting all the other sounds. Spacing the last part of the stream would kinda ruin that

00:56:370 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - would be great if you could take this whole thing and move it a bit to fix how weird autostacking makes 00:55:779 (2,1,2,3) - look as it felt quite noticeable to me when testplaying Done
01:07:011 (1,1) - this felt incredibly weird to read for me, pretty much any other placent for 01:07:306 - should be nicer lol Done
maybe something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/Jaj1Lpbj ?
01:12:774 (2,1,2,3) - might be nice if these overlapped a bit less just for readability cause you dont really do similar things in the map Sure thing
01:13:809 (1,2) - completely personal suggestion, but I think cltrg on both individually would be great because it would visually break flow on 01:13:513 (3,1) - which would be great to how much music changes here and play really well too Agreed

01:16:026 (2,3,1) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/kEwOycxi I don't think that's on purpose me too
01:40:114 - how about adding a lower volume section here and putting whistles (default-soft) on the whole stream or something? sounds pretty empty right now Done, even though i used the whistle only on the first note
02:10:631 - could add a timing point here to reduce slidertick volume a bit as it sounds rather noisy Done
02:33:021 (9,1) - uh http://lasse.s-ul.eu/bFkRv6mF lol
03:12:035 (1) - I think you added green lines on this to change volume of the sliderwhistle? doesn't work though lol. you have to change sampleset whenever you want to change volume of slide/whistle during a slider. timing panel for the slider should look like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qheyjpSY (if you added the silenced normal-slidertick, also add it for sampleset2) mfw i forgot to do that
04:11:444 (1,2,3,4) - t his could probably use some hitsounding besides the finish // 04:30:361 (1,2,3,4) - added something
05:08:489 - wouldnt it be nicer to end the last spinner here already? map starts at 00:05:828 - so you have enough drain anyways done
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should be all, poke me for #2 or something
Thanks <3
Lasse
you silenced normal-slidertick but not normal-slidertick2, so 03:12:035 (1) - sounds kinda weird cause half of it has tick sounds and the other doesn't lol
04:11:444 (1,2,3,4) - you adjusted hitsounding for this but forgot for 04:30:361 (1,2,3,4) - it seems (at least they both seem to follow the same thing)

everything else looks fine now
Topic Starter
-kevincela-
Fixed both!
Lasse
#2
Cryptic
A few more things:

01:13:218 (1,2) - Most stacks are 1/4 1/3 in this section (unless it's 1/1) so this isn't super readable IMO.
04:49:425 (2) - NC and un-NC 04:49:572 (1) - based on NC combos?

13:35 *Cryptic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1023091 Camellia - Enantiomorphs [Optical Isomer]]
13:36 Cryptic: 02:05:828 (3) - uggo slider not symmetrical 0/10 bubble popped
13:36 -kevincela-: \XD
13:36 Cryptic: though seriously
13:36 Cryptic: try making that slider symmetrical and shit
13:36 Cryptic: considering it's super out of placed compared to literally all other sliders xD
13:37 -kevincela-: would kinda ruin it completing 02:04:942 (2) - from the other side :[
13:37 -kevincela-: i can adjust the other half a bit tho
13:40 Cryptic: ahh
13:40 Cryptic: why not just make it not-symmetrical in nature then?
13:40 -kevincela-: hmm yeah that may work
13:43 Cryptic: just gonna list what I noticed going through the map
13:44 Cryptic: 00:29:178 (1) - < Wouldn't this play better CTRL+G'd? Doesn't really change anything other than comfortableness of the snapping since spacing is basically the same
13:44 -kevincela-: OH SURE
13:44 -kevincela-: whoops caps
13:47 Cryptic: 02:01:099 (3) - any reason you didn't want to put a triple on this like the others have? or more it a slider? I guess you're just using it as a transitional phase and having it as basic as possible?
13:48 -kevincela-: yes, plus the sounds are fading in in that moment so i thought i'd be nice to have a buildup there
13:48 Cryptic: alright
13:49 Cryptic: 02:47:060 (2) - this being stacked is quite weird considering it's the only place these sounds are stacked in this section, feels really out of place to me
13:50 Cryptic: 03:02:577 (1,2,3) - angle for 2>3 from 1 is a lot more obtuse than every where else, I assume it's because you wanted to blnkaet the 3 int he top part but IMO it just ends up feeling a bit more awkward than the other snaps. I do get that changing this would require rearranging a bit of stuff but IMO it'd be better to make the 2>3 closer to perpendicular to the slider body of 1
13:51 Cryptic: 03:07:306 (1) - I also kind of prefer this CTRL+G'd compared to what it is now since right now it's the opposite direction - unless thats of course what you're going for.
13:53 Cryptic: btw I can't qualify til tomorrow but I'll qualify tomorrow <3
13:55 Cryptic: Final thing: 03:39:228 (2,3,4) - < is a lot larger than it's corresponding part on the first iteration, here: 00:20:607 (1,2,3) -
13:55 Cryptic: but yeah, thats all, just nitpicking stuff. I'll qualify tomorrow, none of those suggestions have to be accepted tho I only really pointed out things I think help improve consistency/flow-choices.
13:56 -kevincela-: ok so i fixed 02:47:060 (2) - and 03:07:306 (1) - , i don't really agree about 03:02:577 (1,2,3) - feeling awkward because of the angle though, i think the opposite directions help highlighting the stronger beats and because of the patterning i've used until there it should be pretty easy to predict where the pattern goes
13:57 Cryptic: alrighty, that's fair.
13:57 Cryptic: Oh yeah I forgot, technically based on musical representation, wouldn't it be fine to map the triple on 04:49:572 (3) - the front of that?
13:57 Cryptic: or do you want it to be more simple?
13:58 -kevincela-: fixed 03:39:228 (2,3,4) -
13:58 -kevincela-: hmm
13:58 -kevincela-: idk maybe a triple would be too sudden after 3 super slow sliders
13:58 Cryptic: Yeah, thats what I was wondering. Though it is a distinct noise so
13:58 Cryptic: A representation would be nice. Maybe a kick?
14:00 -kevincela-: hmm, ok
14:00 Cryptic: its up to you really
14:00 Cryptic: If you're unsure, then just leave it off.
14:00 Cryptic: it's not like it's essential for song representation, just something I noticed really
14:01 -kevincela-: nah i agree with you
14:01 -kevincela-: fixed
14:01 Cryptic: alright cool cool
14:01 Cryptic: I can qualify tomorrow
Topic Starter
-kevincela-
Fixed the NC, as for the stack I don't think it's that hard to read it, and removing it would create a weaker contrast with 01:13:365 (2,3) - which would feel a bit underwhelming. Thanks!
Cryptic
Okay, everything looks good.
Quali'd.
Topic Starter
-kevincela-
Thanks <3
sionKotori
amazing work!!
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