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Christian Walz - Like Suicide

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Xgor
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on den 14 maj 2011 at 20:21:59

Artist: Christian Walz
Title: Like Suicide
Source: Melodifestivalen 2011
BPM: 128
Filesize: 4361kb
Play Time: 02:51
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (0,97 stars, 140 notes)
  2. Hard (4,53 stars, 317 notes)
  3. Normal (3,07 stars, 207 notes)
Download: Christian Walz - Like Suicide
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Proof that Sweden dosn't know a quality song when they hear one.

Let's see if others like this map

New mp3 added the 12 of may, re-download if you downloaded before that.
Pereira006
:D
Samah
Love the song! It's pretty Kiai heavy too...
Mostly nazi modding for spacing and symmetry, sorry. Yes, I measured things. ;)

Easy:
No 3rd Kiai section like the other two difficulties?
00:19:618 (5) - Endpoint two grids right and one down.
00:25:243 (3) - Up one grid.
00:26:180 (4) - Left one grid.
00:38:368 (3) - Left one grid.
01:08:368 (3) - Up one grid.
01:29:930 (2,3) - Left one grid.
02:16:805 (3) - Right one grid.

Normal:
00:28:055 (3) - Endpoint up and left one grid.
00:40:243 (3) - Endpoint up and right one grid.
02:09:305 (3) - Endpoint down one grid.
02:27:118 (3,4,5) - Move down one grid.
02:28:993 (3,4,5,1,2) - Move down one grid.
02:44:696 (1) - Move down one grid.

Hard:
Some nice shapes here, but I think some of the jumps could be a little more obvious.
00:41:180 (1,2,1,2) - Spacing is wrong here (intentionally, I assume). If you can think of something to make the jump a little more predictable without spoiling the shape, go for it.
01:34:852 (4,5,1) - Spacing differences.
02:27:586 (5) - Up and right one grid.
02:27:821 (6) - Right one grid.
02:29:461 (5) - Up and left one grid.
02:29:696 (6) - Left one grid.
02:43:758 (1) - If you want it to be symmetrical with the previous slider, move this down 3 grid units.

Starred. :)
Topic Starter
Xgor

Samah wrote:

Love the song! It's pretty Kiai heavy too...Well yeah... Might do a SB instead of kiai if I get a idea for it but the kiai fit's the song
Mostly nazi modding for spacing and symmetry, sorry. Yes, I measured things. ;)

Easy:
No 3rd Kiai section like the other two difficulties?Woops done.
00:19:618 (5) - Endpoint two grids right and one down.I didn't do that but I noticed it wasn't symmetrical so I changed so it was that.
00:25:243 (3) - Up one grid.Moved up two instead :3 It's more correct that way
00:26:180 (4) - Left one grid.Done.
00:38:368 (3) - Left one grid.Moved (4) instead.
01:08:368 (3) - Up one grid.Can't remeber I did it... oh well it's symmetric right now
01:29:930 (2,3) - Left one grid.Oh woops, done.
02:16:805 (3) - Right one grid.Fixed.

Normal:
00:28:055 (3) - Endpoint up and left one grid.Fixed it my style. so it actually becomes symmetric
00:40:243 (3) - Endpoint up and right one grid.^
02:09:305 (3) - Endpoint down one grid.^
02:27:118 (3,4,5) - Move down one grid.My styyylee.
02:28:993 (3,4,5,1,2) - Move down one grid.Somewhat changed.
02:44:696 (1) - Move down one grid.I guess.

Hard:
Some nice shapes here, but I think some of the jumps could be a little more obvious.
00:41:180 (1,2,1,2) - Spacing is wrong here (intentionally, I assume). If you can think of something to make the jump a little more predictable without spoiling the shape, go for it.The second one is a jump. The first one was reduced spacing though... I changed it to 1,2x now though.
01:34:852 (4,5,1) - Spacing differences.Hmm yeah... I think I keep it as it is but yeah it's pretty bad. I change it when I come up with something better.
02:27:586 (5) - Up and right one grid.Oh yeah.. fixed.
02:27:821 (6) - Right one grid.Done
02:29:461 (5) - Up and left one grid.Done
02:29:696 (6) - Left one grid.done
02:43:758 (1) - If you want it to be symmetrical with the previous slider, move this down 3 grid units.Yeah I know, that wasn't my intention and would be pretty weird spacing if I did.

Starred. :)
Saten
:3

Spelade med min Tablet~

Nice, have a stjärna :D
gyt
[Easy]
00:37:430 (1,2,3) - nazi spacing
01:43:993 (1,2,3) - ^ (can be symmetrical - flip (1) horizontally + vertically and reverse selection)

[Normal]
00:21:258 - add circle or maybe 1/2 repeat slider?
00:42:821 (1) - remove new combo?
00:44:227 (1) - ^
01:03:446 (1) - ^
01:07:196 (1) - ^ (and other choruses)
01:23:133 - add circle or maybe 1/2 repeat slider?
02:29:930 (5,1,2) - nazi spacing
02:32:743 (3,1,2) - ^
02:51:024 (6,1) - it's not jump, but I mistake here once

[Hard]
00:16:805 (5,1), 00:18:680 (5,1) - random semi-jumps (first - 1.2-2.2x, second - 1.2-1.6x). Make them more similar (1.2-2.0x and 1.2-1.6x or even 1.2-1.8x and 1.2-1.8x).
00:21:258 (6,7,8) - wtf jump for me! Use something like 1.5-1.6x. Maybe stack (7) with 00:20:321 (4)?
00:29:227 (8,1), 00:30:633 (3,1), 00:32:508 (4,1) - random semi-jumps -_- Maybe align 00:32:508 (4) slider start with 00:30:633 (3) slider end?
00:42:821 (1) - remove new combo? I like these jumps.
00:44:227 (1) - ^
01:03:446 (1) - ^
01:07:196 (1) - ^
01:08:602 (1) - ^ (and other choruses)
Oh, these semi-jumps.. It's a bit weird at first, but then I really like this difficulty!
Topic Starter
Xgor

gyt wrote:

[Easy]
00:37:430 (1,2,3) - nazi spacingDoes that mean, "move one grid to the right?".... I did that alteast.
01:43:993 (1,2,3) - ^ (can be symmetrical - flip (1) horizontally + vertically and reverse selection)Ummm.... no

[Normal]
00:21:258 - add circle or maybe 1/2 repeat slider?I like it more how it sounds right now, also short repeat sliders makes me go :(
00:42:821 (1) - remove new combo?Yeah, I have been thinking on doing this, done.
00:44:227 (1) - ^
01:03:446 (1) - ^
01:07:196 (1) - ^ (and other choruses)
01:23:133 - add circle or maybe 1/2 repeat slider?Same as 21:258
02:29:930 (5,1,2) - nazi spacingYeah yeah, I know (5) is a bit lower down.... done it a bit better.
02:32:743 (3,1,2) - ^
02:51:024 (6,1) - it's not jump, but I mistake here onceYeah yeah, It's a jump here but I don't think this is a proble,-

[Hard]
00:16:805 (5,1), 00:18:680 (5,1) - random semi-jumps (first - 1.2-2.2x, second - 1.2-1.6x). Make them more similar (1.2-2.0x and 1.2-1.6x or even 1.2-1.8x and 1.2-1.8x).Yeah, this one is more like a new combo jump when it jumps pretty much all the time when there is a new combo.
00:21:258 (6,7,8) - wtf jump for me! Use something like 1.5-1.6x. Maybe stack (7) with 00:20:321 (4)?I think 1,7x is the one that works the best and gives the best flow here. I tried with yours but it did't feel as good.
00:29:227 (8,1), 00:30:633 (3,1), 00:32:508 (4,1) - random semi-jumps -_- Maybe align 00:32:508 (4) slider start with 00:30:633 (3) slider end?Kinda the same thing here, I think these works pretty good and if I don't get tons of complains I'll keep those.
00:42:821 (1) - remove new combo? I like these jumps.I think having new combos would be the best choice at these ones, If many complain I change them but I think they make it's more reliable
00:44:227 (1) - ^
01:03:446 (1) - ^
01:07:196 (1) - ^
01:08:602 (1) - ^ (and other choruses)
Oh, these semi-jumps.. It's a bit weird at first, but then I really like this difficulty!
Teras
Dt done.

Also, Source: Melodifestivalen 2011? :]
Topic Starter
Xgor

Teras wrote:

Also, Source: Melodifestivalen 2011? :]
Hmmm.... I'm unsure if that's needed gonna ask though.
galvenize
[Overall]

I usually don't like the use of the same color in a chain of combo (i.e red here). Better change one of the reds into something else.

[Hard]

00:57:118 (3,4) - Spacing?
01:08:602 (1) - new combo unnecessary imo, same goes for the rest with the same pattern.
02:09:891 (5) - If you want to nail the singing, better end this one 1/8 sooner.
02:38:602 (4,5,6) - one grid down

Nothing to say about the two other diffs which look fine to me, sorry for not being of more help.
Topic Starter
Xgor

galvenize wrote:

[Overall]

I usually don't like the use of the same color in a chain of combo (i.e red here). Better change one of the reds into something else.Huh, this doesn't happens on my side.

[Hard]

00:57:118 (3,4) - Spacing?Oh woops.
01:08:602 (1) - new combo unnecessary imo, same goes for the rest with the same pattern.I find this giving a nice touch imo
02:09:891 (5) - If you want to nail the singing, better end this one 1/8 sooner.I feel the current rhythm works better imo
02:38:602 (4,5,6) - one grid downI don't get what you want with this thing, changed it a bit but not the way you said

Nothing to say about the two other diffs which look fine to me, sorry for not being of more help.
- Rche -
[Easy]
01:37:899 (1,2,3) - sounds a bit strange... but i can't suggest anything...

[Normal]
00:21:727 (4) - move to 00:21:961 or add note at 00:21:961?
00:45:399 (x) - add a note?
00:52:899 (x) - ^
in this way quite a lot of notes can be added but may screw the star rating...
01:36:727 (3,1) - sounds strange because of my picky ear. i would put the clap at (3) into (1).

and some spacing maybe...

[Hard]
I used to deal with any jumps in any hard difficulty.
So i may have mis-judged some spacing issues into jumps...
looks fine to me.

This is really a quality song.
+star.
Topic Starter
Xgor

justnobody wrote:

[Easy]
01:37:899 (1,2,3) - sounds a bit strange... but i can't suggest anything...Well, changed to another idea I had.

[Normal]
00:21:727 (4) - move to 00:21:961 or add note at 00:21:961?No it goes with the lyrics
00:45:399 (x) - add a note?No, I think the way I mapped right now works better on a normal
00:52:899 (x) - ^
in this way quite a lot of notes can be added but may screw the star rating...
01:36:727 (3,1) - sounds strange because of my picky ear. i would put the clap at (3) into (1).Nah, it goes with the background beat of the song.

and some spacing maybe...

[Hard]
I used to deal with any jumps in any hard difficulty.
So i may have mis-judged some spacing issues into jumps...Well the spacing is intentionally jumps I dunno if they are readable enough though
looks fine to me.

This is really a quality song.
+star.
Magicphoenix
General

*Start KIAI 1/2 earlier? It really feels strange when playing... (Do you love the letter 'u' or why did you start it @sUicide instead of Suicide?)

Easy


*00:18:680 (4) - Move 1 grid left (so it makes a square with 1,2,3)
*02:12:352 - turn KIAI off here and start @02:13:993 - again ?
*02:17:743 (1) - Remove NC ?
*02:40:243 (1) - ^ (I think it's a big exaggerated to use NC for every word, for every sentence should be enough)
*02:53:368 - Why does KIAI end earlier than in other diffs?

Normal

* AR -1
*01:43:993 (3) - Move 1 tick earlier?
*01:45:399 (4) - CLAP
*02:17:743 (6) - Not-so-really-good-looking-slider

Hard

*00:19:852 (2) - unstack?
*01:55:243 (2,1) - Why like that and not like the other squares? :(
*02:16:805 (5) - NC?


Very cool map and beautiful song !! >w<

STAR~
Topic Starter
Xgor

Magicphoenix wrote:

General

*Start KIAI 1/2 earlier? It really feels strange when playing... (Do you love the letter 'u' or why did you start it @sUicide instead of Suicide?)I'm starting the kiai at the same time as the piano kicks in, that's why-

Easy


*00:18:680 (4) - Move 1 grid left (so it makes a square with 1,2,3)Ahh silly me, mistake.
*02:12:352 - turn KIAI off here and start @02:13:993 - again ?Woops forgot to do that.
*02:17:743 (1) - Remove NC ?Nah
*02:40:243 (1) - ^ (I think it's a big exaggerated to use NC for every word, for every sentence should be enough)Done.
*02:53:368 - Why does KIAI end earlier than in other diffs?Because I'm was lazy, changed.

Normal

* AR -1 Made +1 OD instead :P
*01:43:993 (3) - Move 1 tick earlier?No
*01:45:399 (4) - CLAPHave you even bother to notice how I placed claps on this map? I place them on every third white tick as it goes with the back beat so no to this one.
*02:17:743 (6) - Not-so-really-good-looking-sliderMeh made it more pretty

Hard

*00:19:852 (2) - unstack?No
*01:55:243 (2,1) - Why like that and not like the other squares? :(Because I like it that way :3
*02:16:805 (5) - NC?No


Very cool map and beautiful song !! >w<

STAR~
Mastodonio
You forgot to give kudosu to that guy,I guess ;)

Star
NotShinta
All suggestions, obviously.

Hard:
00:21:493 (7) - I think this spacing is a biiit too high and hard to read with the music. I think placing it in the center makes it better, and not too ugly either.
00:28:993 (7) - Similarly, moving this down.
01:23:133 (6) - I don't hear anything in the song to justify near-silencing this, myself. In fact, to me, it kind of breaks the flow to my ears.

Normal:
01:45:868 (5) - I personally think this would be better 1/2 earlier and extended by 1/2, to suit the vocals.

Otherwise cool shit. I think.
Topic Starter
Xgor

NotShinta wrote:

All suggestions, obviously.

Hard:
00:21:493 (7) - I think this spacing is a biiit too high and hard to read with the music. I think placing it in the center makes it better, and not too ugly either.Fiine
00:28:993 (7) - Similarly, moving this down.Done.
01:23:133 (6) - I don't hear anything in the song to justify near-silencing this, myself. In fact, to me, it kind of breaks the flow to my ears.Well, I did it eariler in the map at pretty much the same place as here and you complain at my third usage :P Well, I try to follow the back beat as it goes dum dum with the first one a bit less loud and I kinda like it how it is right now.

Normal:
01:45:868 (5) - I personally think this would be better 1/2 earlier and extended by 1/2, to suit the vocals.Yeah, done.

Otherwise cool shit. I think.
Backstep
My Lazy weekly mod :3

[General]

offset : 848 I think it okay.

[Easy]

01:08:816 (4) slider end at 01:10:223
01:32:723 (2) slider end at 01:33:660 ?
02:04:598 (1) slider end at 02:05:535 ?

[Normal]

00:30:164 (1) delete clap ?
01:03:446 (2) end of slider delete finish then add clap ?
01:07:196 (2) ^
01:24:539 (1) delete clap ?
01:50:321 (2) end of slider delete finish then add clap ?
01:54:071 (2) ^
02:44:696 (2) ^
02:48:446 (2) ^

[Hard]

Fine for me ~

Star +
Topic Starter
Xgor

backstep wrote:

My Lazy weekly mod :3

[General]

offset : 848 I think it okay.Not sure, gonna ask a pro timer about it sometime...

[Easy]

01:08:816 (4) slider end at 01:10:223Lol what no
01:32:723 (2) slider end at 01:33:660 ?^
02:04:598 (1) slider end at 02:05:535 ?^

[Normal]

00:30:164 (1) delete clap ?well.. done.
01:03:446 (2) end of slider delete finish then add clap ?No
01:07:196 (2) ^
01:24:539 (1) delete clap ?Done.
01:50:321 (2) end of slider delete finish then add clap ?No
01:54:071 (2) ^
02:44:696 (2) ^
02:48:446 (2) ^

[Hard]

Fine for me ~

Star +
Snowy Dream
Star~
Shiirn
Note: My d key is completely gone, so any typos that miss that key...yeah. Put your own in there.

General
=========

Easy
Nothing much.

Normal
......

Hard
I understand what you're trying to do with the new combos, but no.
00:38:133 (3) - wut
00:44:227 (1) - no need for nc

The jumps at the end were a complete surprise since you never did that before. Make the jumps shorter?
rust45
[Tags]
Not needed, but if you can think of any, cool.

[Combo Colors]
Same as tags

Dammit Xgor, why do you have to be such an awesome mapper?
Jarby
This was nice also.
James2250
Your offset sounds slightly late to me, might want to get it double checked quickly?

Easy:
-The extra kiai fountain should be at 02:27:118 like the other difficulties have it

Hard:
01:22:430 (5,6,7) - keep the spacing here equal

Everything else looks good
Topic Starter
Xgor

James2250 wrote:

Your offset sounds slightly late to me, might want to get it double checked quickly? **** offsets. I fixed a problem with the mp3 so it's need to be checked anyways now

Easy:
-The extra kiai fountain should be at 02:27:118 like the other difficulties have it Woops my mistake.

Hard:
01:22:430 (5,6,7) - keep the spacing here equalIt's a jump, all the other parts in this difficulty has raised spacing, it's just that this is more noticble

Everything else looks good
Popping this like a boss myself.
Also polished some parts.
Lybydose
I got -5ms offset.

Specifically, set to 879
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