CanadianBaka wrote:

[Neko Means Cat]

00:08:060 (1) - why is this the only straight slider you use through 00:06:521 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - here? I mean yes, you could say "it plays fine though so i'm not changing it HAHA" or you could say "can't you see the flow I'm going here you little noob?" or "why? It doesn't affect gameplay" But you should actually look and see how inconsistent that slider is, no one wants to be so focused on curved sliders, see a straight one and mess up now, do they? Because In what sense of the rule they have to be similar? A player will get confused by a Slider shape being straight instead of being a small curve? hahaha what? anyway, changed

00:10:752 (4,5,1,2) - this is the first time you use this kind of pattern, your other patterns have all been overlapping and all of a sudden you change it up and stack? 00:15:368 (2,1) - same with this (I guess you could say that because you've used it TWICE it's consistent, which is true but you used the overlapping pattern a lot more and it feels awkward.) There's nothing wrong with this pattern and it plays intituive, the AR makes it easy to play, you're looking at straws here for no reason, not changed as I'm using the voice lyrics being in a different pitch that the rest of the map for a clearly different pattern.


00:18:444 (4) - delete this, drag 00:18:060 (3) - this up to 00:18:444 (4) - here, and you will see how it better emphasizes the vocals + instruments (the loud drum hit), also, you will see that if you do that AND lower the SV it would sound + feel much better Changed to a single slider without SV changed because that would be extremely dumb when the pitch is going higher, if anything, it would be an slider going faster

00:20:368 (1,2,3,4) - I see your point, these DO play fine, but they once again are inconsistent in spacing. They play perfectly fine if you space them equally or at least lower the spacing between (3) and (4) *it would also make it easier for DT, and judging by how you mapped this you want a pp farm right?* changed to a more consistent pattern, also LoL at the "DT PP FARM" mention, not gonna bother with that, I don't take mods into account when I map

00:21:137 (1,2,3) - another inconsistent pattern, yes it's overlapping which is good, but you do the same thing 00:24:983 (3,4,5) - here, again which is good, you should make them both the same (wether your going to stack or overlap) Nope, They're not even part of the same music section or similar ones, they have absolute no need to be similar, In fact, this was a suggestion of an ex-bn if I'm not wrong, who saw the pattern at full and suggested an overlap triple with 00:21:137 (1,3,1) - as a neat way, and I agree with it, also, again, not even similar music sections, they have no need to be ranking-wise, similar.

00:27:675 (5) - remove this, and replace it with a slider that ends 00:27:964 - here, you can lower the SV again like you did earlier (if you did it) so it's consistent. (I like to change SV a lot in my maps, so thats why i'm suggesting it, but don't do it if you aren't comfortable ) I'm going to be as clear as water, I don't care what you do in your maps, I will not do a SV change slider here when it doesn't make any sense to drag to 00:27:964 - because the sound base you're using to suggest the slider 00:27:675 - doesn't even end tilt exactly 00:28:060 - when the next beat starts, that's why I didn't map it like a slider

00:28:829 (3) - ctrl + g this so it fits with the rest of the pattern Changed

00:31:714 (2) - move this up higher so the slider end blankets with 00:31:137 (1) -Moved to make a better blanked

00:33:060 (3) - there's absoloutly no sound here (unless in 25%, which is redicolous because people don't play it with 25% lol), I would just once again Moved to make a better blanked Blanked with what lmao? if the last slider was like 4 full beats before
00:33:060 (3) - make this a slider if you really, REALLY, want to keep the beat, but end it 00:33:829 - here, again with slow SV and slowly decrease in noise (or you can just use a spinner) Or I could move the note to 00:33:060 (3) - Which is not where the sound starts, it starts right between 00:33:060 - and 00:33:108 - , on 00:33:084 - like a 1/16 beat, but I'm going for the intituive one which would be the white tick, I'm going to let Sahuang decide on this, because I do believe this can be mapped, if not, I can just move the note to the 1/16 beat which would have the exact same result because of the OD, and move the note on the hard diff, also I will have to fix the hard and change where the easy - normal ends, but is a minor fix, doesn't bother me, still, will wait for the BN opinion on this.


your lower diffs seem fine.

Good luck!

00:33:060 (3) - there's absoloutly no sound here (unless in 25%, which is redicolous because people don't play it with 25% lol)
00:33:060 (3) - make this a slider if you really, REALLY, want to keep the beat, but end it 00:33:829 - here, again with slow SV and slowly decrease in noise (or you can just use a spinner)Or I could move the note to 00:33:060 (3) - Which is not where the sound starts, it starts right between 00:33:060 - and 00:33:108 - , on 00:33:084 - like a 1/16 beat, but I'm going for the intituive one which would be the white tick, I'm going to let Sahuang decide on this, because I do believe this can be mapped, if not, I can just move the note to the 1/16 beat which would have the exact same result because of the OD, and move the note on the hard diff, also I will have to fix the hard and change where the easy - normal ends, but is a minor fix, doesn't bother me, still, will wait for the BN opinion on this.

CanadianBaka wrote:

also I wasn't trying to be mean in any of my posts, I think you were just taking it too seriously but oh well
of course I will take it seriously, is a map I've spend hours, not taking it seriously would be an insult

also one more thing, right 00:18:060 (3) - here the reason I believe you should slow down SV is because it will give more emphasis on 00:18:637 (1) - these notes because it's going from slow - fast kind of thing. sorry but I don't see it, nor I understand you reasoning for this, expressing s the high pitch voice with a slow slider is a no no in my book, thanks for the input tho w.

sahuang wrote:

Looks good to me. One last thing, could you add a soft-sliderslide into the folder? The slider sound is annoying.

CanadianBaka wrote:

I'm really questioning the fact as to why this is bubbled: (no offence Sahuang)

Because he feels is ready.

[Neko Means Cat]

00:05:175 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - these are dragged out vocals, there should be a slider somewhere in here, and not just a circle on the first consonant, for better emphasis Nope, I prefer to keep the emphasis on individual vocals.

Inconsistency

00:06:521 (1,2) - 1.4x spacing, 00:07:291 (4,5) - 1.4x spacing, 00:08:060 (1,2) - 1.7X spacing? 00:08:829 (4,5) - 2X spacing??? These are super inconsistent. Because the song is inconsistent, on 00:08:829 (4,5) - you have a different Synthesizer -added sound- on top of the voice, I mean, the higher spacing here was even suggestion of an ex BN (Pereira) because he understood this, and what I was trying


00:06:521 (1,2,3) - circular flow, 00:07:291 (4,5,6) - non circular flow, 00:08:444 (2,3,4) - 'straight' flow, 00:08:829 (4,5) - circular flow??? Again, inconsistent
This is just ridiculous, like really, the past suggerences were thinking in a mapping way, but the way you're pointing out these is just in a way to complaint about something, there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing flows during the song, and more in the part where I changed it using the Synthesizer - maded sound.

00:10:752 (4,5,1,2) - Stack pattern, 00:12:675 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - overlapping pattern, 00:15:560 (3,2) - stack pattern, Inconsistent.
I've already pointed out in a past mod about WHY I'm not stacking this pattern, pointing out how's the voice is arranged.

00:18:637 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - circular flow, 00:21:137 (1,2,3) - 'straight' (or back and forth flow), inconsistnent
Again, pointless

To round it up, you jump from consistent circular flow to straight flow vice versa. Same with stacking patterns and overlapping patterns
And there's nothing wrong with this, I find it pleasant to play, others I asked find it ok, the BN who bubbled it found it ok, then it's ok.

This is what your difficulty lacks in most

You know what it lacks? Nothing of w/e the you wanna point out, at first I was Ok with your modding, because they were trying to "help", but now you are here to complaint just to complaint and stop the progress of the map, and I'm gonna be honest, I don't care in what state or what bullshit happened in your map, I mean, I'm sorry your map is under fire, but don't express that to me ok?

I appreciate good suggestion, I really mean it, if someone mods my map, then he took the time to check it and I appreciate , but what makes no sense is to come with the idea of "oh look I'm a connoisseur modder" when your modding don't even try to understand the mappers point of view (I even took the time to check other mods by you) and you will keep pointing stuff that makes no sense in terms of what the map is trying to do.

Every person I asked gave me a bad opinion of you and told me to straight ignore you, but I didn't wanted to be an asshole, wanted to give you the credit of doubt, I'm not like this, I believe the ranking process is a good thing because you learn a lot, and while I'm sorry your Neko map has gone nowhere, I understand why people told me to ignore you and how you are not helping my map at all . I appreciate mods, and I'm thankful for all the modders who took the time to improve this map, every suggestion has been priceless for me, but not when they come from someone like you, when it feels like trying to stop the progress of the map just because, it ends being really funny to me, because at the end of the day, it won't slow me down.

And I'm glad you has seen many videos, try to apply that to your maps so you get your first ranked map, ok?




I really do not think this difficulty is ready.

Sahuang, a much more experienced mapper and modder than you believe is ready, if another BN believes is not ready, then fine, I'm ok with it.


Good luck.

CanadianBaka wrote:

You shouldn't be changing flows in the middle of a map, deary. I know it may seem fine to you but if you want to change flows then do it in a way that makes sense, not just randomly. I know you can say "I change the flow because of the change of vocals" or whatever crap, but the song is pretty neutral all the way through, if you wanna change flow then have it make sense. If your gonna use circular flow don't change it instantly for near to no reason.

Your main excuse overall is "it's ok though" because a BN agrees with the map.

I'm not saying i'm really good at mapping, i'm saying i'm not new and I have the capacity to rank a map.

One last thing: You didn't even reply to my whole mod, why?

CanadianBaka wrote:

This is what your difficulty lacks in most

00:06:329 (4,3) - the way these 2 overlap after you've just stacked on that note ( 00:05:368 (2,4) - ) Isn't very pleasing They're not stacked because 00:06:521 (1,2,3) - belongs to a different music section than 00:06:329 (4) - , and not only that, but I prefer to keep this pattern going 00:06:521 (1,2,3,4) - with the current natural flow which allows the player to move in the way I intend them to move, something that if I were to 00:06:329 (4,3) - stack these, would end in me re-arranging the pattern which would conflict with the flow, in other words, I preffer gameplay over aesthetic


00:06:521 (1,2) - this can fit into the inconsistency also, but why is 00:06:906 (2) - this pointing straight across from the sliderend but 00:07:675 (5) - this is pointing straight down from the slider before it? Inconsistent, bad aesthetically, and not so good flow. Even if it "plays fine".

Because not only I'm re-positioning the player to fit the flow of the next pattern with this high angle triangle movement http://i.imgur.com/zW7OaG0.png , Is also a very single flow with the most basic shape in mapping, triangles http://i.imgur.com/nD2VuNV.png , these are the most predominant patterns in this map, like on 00:16:521 (3,4,5) - or 00:15:175 (1,2,3) - or 00:08:444 (2,3,4) - , the flow is not bad here, and I'm actually being consistent here with whats on the map.

00:08:060 (1,2,4,5) - Happens with these also
This keep the same idea as before, these are very simple high angle triangles which fit the general idea of the map, and not only that, but this section is also pitch - different from before (check the start of this post for more info) of course is gonna be higher DS - A bit different angle.


00:21:137 (1,3) - these can certainly be stacked, or at least overlapped so that they are actually neat.
Yes and No, Stacked? it was stacked before, but as I said before when you pointed out this, the back and forth movement from 00:21:137 (1,2,3) - can be confusing with this AR, and not only that, but it makes a near triple - like pattern with 00:22:675 (1) - which I agree.

You feel is neat? good, I do too, but I prefer the current arrange based on gameplay reasons and the overal picture of what's being mapper here.

00:25:944 (2,1) - although this overlaps fine, why isn't 00:27:098 (3) - this overlapping also? Bad aesthetically for the most part, but also inconsistent with your other patterns

Because you're not noticing that this pattern 00:26:521 (1,2,3,4,5) - has a much higher pitch that 00:25:944 (2,3) - , the overlap here 00:25:944 (2,1) - happens because of the different on voice pitch on 00:26:137 (3,1) - being higher, and this is not overlapped 00:27:098 (3,4) - because this is exactly the same pitch as 00:26:521 (1,2,3,4,5) - this entire section, so there's no need, I believe I don't have to open FL Studio and take pictures on how diffierent intensity these parts are, as you can hear it by yourself, right?.


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i'm saying why it shouldn't be bubbled, I know your going to say "well Sahuang is better mapper and modder" which si true, but you have to stop that shit. It's very fucking offencive when you say the only reason i'm doing this is because "of what bullshit happened to my map" when really, it's not

And yes, the whole reason i'm writing these mod posts is to stop the progession of the map, not permantly, but until you can fix those problems.

I have nothing against you, your a pretty nice mapper to be honest, but this certain difficulty just seems lazy. I know you can map better, I think we both know, and I think that if you remap the diff (or rework it) it'll be a LOT better!

StarrStyx wrote:

Respect goes two ways.

Don't expect others to respect your opinions or even value any of your thoughts when you don't respect, or just simply ignore what the mapper intends to do.

Please know what is subjective and objective in regards to map problems.

(I haven't looked at the map, but can you just not say your virw of aesthetics is the best and therefore others must follow? Thanks.)

CanadianBaka wrote:

StarrStyx wrote:

Respect goes two ways.

Don't expect others to respect your opinions or even value any of your thoughts when you don't respect, or just simply ignore what the mapper intends to do.

Please know what is subjective and objective in regards to map problems.

(I haven't looked at the map, but can you just not say your virw of aesthetics is the best and therefore others must follow? Thanks.)

I didn't say "My view of aesthetics is best so you must follow", I said that the aesthetics are poor, other people agree.
Also, look at the map next time you disagree with someone who's looked at the map several times before

CanadianBaka wrote:

You shouldn't be changing flows in the middle of a map, deary. I know it may seem fine to you but if you want to change flows then do it in a way that makes sense, not just randomly. I know you can say "I change the flow because of the change of vocals" or whatever crap, but the song is pretty neutral all the way through, if you wanna change flow then have it make sense. If your gonna use circular flow don't change it instantly for near to no reason.

And yes, the whole reason i'm writing these mod posts is to stop the progession of the map, not permantly, but until you can fix those problems.

CanadianBaka wrote:

you may understand some more concepts as you continue to learn more about mapping.

Corinn wrote:

osu! drama is my favorite anime

no, actually I wanted to say gratz for the bubble

Katyusha wrote:

Double post because why not


Canadian has decided to contact me on PM, and I've decided to talk with him Ingame soon to put a stop to this situation or reach an agreetment.

Thanks

1. 00:04:791 - Optional but you can add a whistle here since it's basically the same sound as 00:02:675 - 00:03:444 - etc

1. 00:19:983 (2,3) - You can Ctrl+G rhythm here if you want to make 00:21:137 (4) more stand out on vocal like what you did with 00:24:214 (4) . Currently it's kinda unclear whether you're using 00:21:137 (4,4) to express vocal since 00:20:368 (3) looks the same as 00:21:137 (4) and yet they're mapped on different things I assume?
2. 00:24:983 (1,2,3) - The triangle could be improved, would be better if you can keep the visual spacings on these more consistent with 00:24:214 (4) as 00:24:214 (4,2) looks really cramped compared with 00:24:214 (4,1) - 00:24:214 (4,3) .
3. 00:26:521 (3) - Also I was expecting this to be a circle like 00:24:983 (1,2) according to how you mapped 00:26:521 in other difficulties with the same rhythm as 00:24:983 - 00:25:752 .

1. Would look nicer if you can use a higher DS cuz it looks cramped but the current one is kinda okay-ish I guess
2. 00:00:368 (1,2,3,4) - 00:01:906 (1,2,3,4) - Not a really good variation lol, I mean I understand where you're coming from but 00:01:906 (1,2,3,4) is clearly harder than 00:00:368 (1,2,3,4) despite having a same rhythm, try not to make these too different when you're making variations otherwise they aren't gonna be interpreted as the same part of rhythm in gameplay.
3. 00:12:675 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Even with a distance snap, I still expect you to make rhythms, patterns, etc. more noticeable with vocals here, the patterns you did in Hard and Insane are much more noticeable.
4. 00:16:329 (2,3) - May I ask why you stacked these? Really stands out cuz you never did one before.
5. 00:18:829 (1,3) - Not sure if these are supposed to be the same shape but oh well I guess I'll mention it anyways.
6. 00:30:560 - Optional but can be mapped.

1. 00:05:175 (1) - Can be placed at 78|158 if you care about making it an even triangle with 00:05:752 (2,5) .
2. 00:12:675 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Doesn't look really stand out cuz you used 00:11:906 (3,4,5) which is mapped on a different stanza/part of the song, if you can't come up with any other rhythm then changing 00:12:291 (5) to a circle would still work imo.
3. 00:24:214 (2,3) - Same idea as above.

1. 00:05:175 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - This looks so unbalanced lol, 00:05:175 (1,2,1) - 00:05:560 (3,2,3) - is clearly noticeable, try polishing this a bit more.
2. 00:09:021 - 00:12:098 - I don't know what you actually intended on these sounds, the first one is a sliderend and it's a jump on the second?
3. 00:11:906 (3,4,5) - Also I'm kinda curious why you used so big spacings here.
4. 00:21:137 (1,3) - Not sure if this is intentional or you just put these instinctively cuz this is the only place you did this and I don't think this reflects or expresses anything from the song.
5. 00:22:387 - Should be mapped.
6. 00:25:752 (1,2,3) - According to your rhythm idea in Normal and Hard, these should be Ctrl+G'd to make these the same with 00:24:983 (3,4,5) - 00:26:521 (1,2,3) .

Electoz wrote:

Overall your patterning ideas could be more consistent and polished, aesthetics can be improved here and there (and no, I don't mean the things CanadianBaka mentioned lol since they're not that major/noticeable anyways)

Underforest wrote:

btw katyusha, maybe you want to remove "codes" from your tags? I don't see it needed since I don't see it related to the song