Kaneko Chiharu - Lachryma<Re:Queen'M> · forum

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-05-02T07:36:45+00:00

Everything is mostly updated, 99% ready.

Izzywing

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Izzywing 2017-05-10T12:36:30+00:00

@Ametrin, you completely ignored / didn't respond to my point about spinner recovery time. Since your diff functions as the normal/advanced of the set, I really suggest you have at least 2 beats of recovery after the spinner to give players appropriate recovery time, especially for this high BPM. This would apply the things like 00:37:033 (1,1) -

00:41:101 (1,1) - MIGHT be fine because its at least 1.5 beats, but it still might not be enough.

I also still think that 00:38:813 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - is way too excessive and also kinda challenging to read, rhythm density aside. The way the pattern is setup, it's very easy for the player to miss that 00:40:338 (5,6) - don't have repeats on them. 01:52:538 (1) - Has a similar problem. Consider http://puu.sh/vLAIc/0fb78e61f0.jpg this rhythm instead (basically use 1/1 sliders instead of repeats), it's still the longest string of 1/2 in the map which fits the intensity, but it solves the density and readability issues.

00:36:397 (5) - consider using a single reverse slider and then putting a circle on 00:36:779 - instead. better rhythm, also it avoids a double repeat 1/2 slider which I wouldn't recommend in this kind of diff

00:59:787 (2) - Distance spacing error

01:18:472 (4) - NC

01:23:937 (5,1,2) - Not a fan of this setup, very misreading to read because 2 looks like it's close to 1 visually, but the gap on the timeline does not reflect this.

01:27:115 (3,4,5,6,1,2) - Consider switching these rhythms! The measure at 01:28:132 - has the distinct 4 sounds that would fit 4 circles a lot better than the measure at 01:27:115 - does.

I recommend going through your diff and making sure your NCs are correct. They seem kinda odd in places, but it might because you have some kinda pattern going on.

Ametrin

717 posts

Joined May 2012

Ametrin 2017-05-11T00:46:17+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
@Ametrin, you completely ignored / didn't respond to my point about spinner recovery time. Since your diff functions as the normal/advanced of the set, I really suggest you have at least 2 beats of recovery after the spinner to give players appropriate recovery time, especially for this high BPM. This would apply the things like 00:37:033 (1,1) -

00:41:101 (1,1) - MIGHT be fine because its at least 1.5 beats, but it still might not be enough.

I also still think that 00:38:813 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - is way too excessive and also kinda challenging to read, rhythm density aside. The way the pattern is setup, it's very easy for the player to miss that 00:40:338 (5,6) - don't have repeats on them. 01:52:538 (1) - Has a similar problem. Consider http://puu.sh/vLAIc/0fb78e61f0.jpg this rhythm instead (basically use 1/1 sliders instead of repeats), it's still the longest string of 1/2 in the map which fits the intensity, but it solves the density and readability issues.

00:36:397 (5) - consider using a single reverse slider and then putting a circle on 00:36:779 - instead. better rhythm, also it avoids a double repeat 1/2 slider which I wouldn't recommend in this kind of diff

00:59:787 (2) - Distance spacing error

01:18:472 (4) - NC

01:23:937 (5,1,2) - Not a fan of this setup, very misreading to read because 2 looks like it's close to 1 visually, but the gap on the timeline does not reflect this.

01:27:115 (3,4,5,6,1,2) - Consider switching these rhythms! The measure at 01:28:132 - has the distinct 4 sounds that would fit 4 circles a lot better than the measure at 01:27:115 - does. i think this will be ok

I recommend going through your diff and making sure your NCs are correct. They seem kinda odd in places, but it might because you have some kinda pattern going on.

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yjshin

2 posts

Joined August 2013

yjshin 2017-05-17T23:52:06+00:00

I have nothing to contribute but i just wanted to say I LOVE THIS SONG AND ALHK'S INFINITE IS FUN TO PLAY

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2017-05-17T23:54:15+00:00

:3

thanks

Battle

2,865 posts

Joined February 2014

Battle 2017-05-31T00:02:27+00:00

H2

Hobbes2 wrote:
[Battle's BASIC]

00:03:728 (1,3) - blanket here would actually look pretty cool I tend to prefer having it to the side so no
00:05:254 (3) - looks like you had a decent curve here and then ctrl+g'd it or smth cos this looks pretty ugly. the slider right after looks fine. Better?
00:07:542 (3) - starting here there's a lot of sliders in a row, and for the easiest diff its best to avoid long slider only sections. would either have a pause or a circle somewhere to make it easier mmm I kind of like making my low diffs pretty dense rhythm-wise, while it puts more strain on the player it also provides a more interesting experience, the music overall is pretty intense so downplaying it even on the lowest diff would leave the newer users unsatisfied, don't you think?
00:20:508 - two timing lines with inconsistent kiai settings Apparently Kroytz fixed that lol
00:40:846 (3) - the wave portion of this slidershape can be improved, looks a bit messed up right after the second red node
00:54:321 (3) - mm this bpm is pretty fast so im not a big fan of 1/2 sliders for the easiest diff. for this part of the music you can do a red tick rhythm like this - http://imgur.com/a/wMD3m I'm kinda eh about this, it just ended up as this being the lowest diff so in the superficial context it looks pretty bad, however following your rhythm would be going against what I'm following, leading to rhythmic dissonance as to what is being followed. I feel that this would be more harmful than helpful, after all this is a high-end almost 2* diff so it's bound to be a bit more complex than say, a traditional easy, it's a mid-range normal. However since the bpm is so high, a typical normal would be a bit hard to pull off, so it's a nice combination of easy and normal elements without being too strenuous
01:09:319 (3) - combing should reset here since its beginning of a new phrase
01:32:200 (1,2) - this might cause some reading confusion, while the DS is proper, the circle is still kinda close to 01:32:200 (1) - itself, so a player might misinterpret this as 1/1 Made straighter so it's visually more obvious of the gap

p gud n stuf

btw ill finish my hard for you soon lol

-R

-Roz wrote:
NM from my queueeeee

Battle's BASIC
I feel like this difficulty has way too high of a SV for a basic difficulty. Are you guys thinking about making a difficulty easier then this? Well,
in context when Kroytz was like "make a gd" there were no other low diffs to go off of for the base SV, so I picked a fairly low one, apparently it was too high but still, I feel like the amount of curved and elbow slides make up for the SVs for the most part considering they help ease the quick movement a bit

00:23:050 (2) - Maybe tilt 3 degrees? mm I like straight slightly curved sliders better though

00:33:474 (2) - Move to x:381 y:236. To me this looks better, and keeps roughly the same distance Eh, I feel like the blanket is too forced,
either way though I wanted it to mirror what 00:24:575 (1,2,3) - does

00:58:897 (4,1,2,3,4) - Move to x:189 y:148, very slight problem but you might want to change because it keeps the 0.80x spacing I don't really see what this is suggesting, moving all of those theres basically puts it offscreen so yeah lol

01:09:319 (3,4,1) - Maybe tilt these by 3 degrees. MY STRAIGHT LINE OCD IS GOING AT IT AGAIN cx It's straight enough, I see no difference

Most of the changes here barely matter, but then again the difficulty is near perfect. Very nice job.

No idea how to make this name shorter so lol

lilligantEX wrote:
From modding queue

BATTLE's BASIC

00:12:881 (1) - dangerously close to the score stuff, should move down It's pretty far from the scoreboard on the default skin though
00:18:983 (3) - This is a little hard to hear and would throw a player off since this is a low difficulty
00:27:118 (2) - ^ This one is pretty audible so I think it's fine

HT

HighTec wrote:
M4M
battle
00:01:440 (2) - why is this the only slider with a red anchor when 00:02:966 (4,2) - dont but it's the same sound It's only visual interest lol
00:40:846 (3) - NC? to give more emphasis since the vocals here jump in
00:52:796 (4) - i think a 1/1 slider would work better here since the instruments are still very busy at this point and just giving it the short end of the stick feels like a big letdown I think having a pause is appropriate here, since the music pauses, also considering this comes from a long slider string I feel it's more than necessary to recover a little
01:02:202 (1,1) - eventhough it are 2 spinner right after each other, i still think a 1/4 gap between in them is inappropriate due to the player reaction time not being capable of reacting fast enough. would put it on red tick like the other spinners
01:19:997 (1) - feeling like this is a p inappropriate slider due to the intensity of the song changing while the slider's active and thus emphasis is thrown away. i think in this part emphasising the change is more important than following a guitar. perhaps a rythm like this is better for this situation Well, I see your point, but there's also the fact that I'm trying to keep it fairly simplified for the sake of difficulty, while it wouldn't add to much, I think it's fine to have it similar to the first kiai, it's a pitch higher yeah, but other than that it's fairly the same guitar-wise

#s

3312 wrote:
i forgot to mod it yesterday so xd

[Battle]
01:02:202 (1,1) - idk if new players will not get disorientated by this since they use default skin
01:12:370 (5) - prob should nc here because of the new sound idk
01:14:913 (2,3) - is it just me or did you mess up the blanket abit
01:19:997 (1,2) - idk if new players can read this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's readable dw lol
01:26:607 (2) - this just... doesnt really feel right,idk its probably because its either 1/3 or a 1/2 Soooo in reality this is 1/3, however due to difficulty constrictions that isn't really possible, while maintaining the rhythmic flow here, I felt that a 1/1 slider would be best suited to go along with the music
01:40:590 (4) - idk why did you add a red anchor on this slider, imo its better just to curve it like 01:39:827 (3) - because its the same sound and 01:38:302 (1,2) - ultilizes this too (same slider shape for same sound) v i s u a l i n t e r e s t

lol

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blue denied
purple is either or
green ok
no reply fixed

Nao Tomori

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Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-06-01T20:19:59+00:00

[requiem]
00:00:678 (1,3) - could be nicer if these are visually spaced the same

00:08:813 (9,10,11,12) - here there is clearly 2 notes in the melody. since you used kicksliders to represent that in places like 00:12:627 (9,10) - could be nice to do it here too.

00:09:576 (1,2,3,4) -same thing

00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - the snapping on this thing is completely off and noticeably so. i recommend snapping it properly, as dumb as it looks on timeline. this applies to all diffs!

00:23:558 (1,2,3,4) - the size of these jumps is way too similar to 00:23:050 (3,4,5) - imo. there is no guitar melody on them, so they should be differentiated from the previous combo.
00:29:279 (5) - same here kinda, there isnt reason for this one to be so large considering there is no melody on it

00:25:592 (1,2,3) - this snapping seems fucky..00:25:783 (2) - should actually be on the 1/6th beat at 00:25:762 -

00:37:287 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - to be honest these jumps look completely randomly placed. was there some form of organization that i missed? there doesnt look like any type of consnistent motion, similar direction of movement, whatever...

00:48:092 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i dont hear anything that suggests this type of patterning. what were you following here?

00:53:813 (4) - feels like it should be a slider end. no melody even though that's the most dominant part by far
00:55:846 (4) - same
00:57:753 (3) - same
even removing these circles seems much better to me since it leaves the 1/1 gap that shows the similarity between 00:55:338 (1) - or 00:55:974 (1) - etc. since they're paired in the song, should be mapped the same way too, with a 1/1 gap into them.

01:06:523 (2,3) - definitely sounds like a rhythm like http://puu.sh/w3GL5/4ae55995f5.jpg in the drums instead. or 3/4 slider for the 2nd one, whatever, but that red tick snare is much better here since there isnt a melody on the white tick like 01:09:574 (2,3) -

01:13:387 (2) - here i know youre following the melody but having a finish be unclickable just feels kinda lame.

01:13:896 (1,2) - ctrl g on this seems (to me) to follow the vocals a bit better.

01:22:030 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - doesnt make sense to have direction change on 234 etc cuz its in the same

01:38:047 (5,6) - could be cool to do something with kicksliders to represent how the song changed (like these ones are more abrupt basically)

01:38:303 (1,2,3) - imo you should nerf the spacing on these quieter piano streams since its like super quiet, then it could be visually different from the 123 123 123 stuff as well

01:41:268 (3,1) - this didnt seem very impactful since there isnt really a direction change on 1, i think it should be distinguished more like at the other times

01:46:437 - could be cool to do something with the background melody around here

01:58:131 (1) - kinda seems like it should be separated visually from the stream since its a completely different sound
[smoothie world]
00:04:364 (3,1) - seems kinda big, how about putting 3 in the blanket of 00:03:728 (1) -
00:08:813 (1,2) - seems like kickslider would work here better since melody blah blah, you did the same thing later at 00:09:576 (3,4) -
00:14:406 (1,2,3) - i think that 00:15:169 (1,2,3) - 12 should probably also be a slider since its the same sound in the vocals as 3, so it would be paired together in the map. you do it here at 00:16:694 (1,2) - and it works nicely, so might as well do it at the other 2 spots as well.
00:22:287 (1,2,3,4,1) - unsnapped
00:22:796 (3,4) - this is pretty overspaced imo considering that 4 doesnt have a melody note on it
00:23:495 (1) - uhh idk about this. there's still a pretty loud sound on the white tick and i think that's where the sound you followed settles into the note as well.
00:23:876 (3) - dont see why this trple is here. the red tick it emphasizes isnt strong so its kinda weird o.o
i also think having a clickable burst on 00:24:067 (1,2,3) - and then leaving the blue tick 00:24:385 - unclickable cuz the drums stop would be nice
00:28:389 (1,2,3,4,1) - i dont think these should be spaced so much higher than the ones at the start of the kiai. it's up to interpretation ofc, but i dont think that this part is that much more intense than the guitar thing at the start of the kiai.
00:30:868 (2,3) - ctrl g on this follows the melody a lot better. i think putting a piano note on the slider end and following a fairly unimportant drum sound is not that good of a rhythm and just consistently stickign to the piano here instead is better
00:34:745 (1) - i think mapping the guitar melody here is a lot nicer =( the drum isnt really doing much that suggests mapping it over the intricate melody offered by the guitar imo.
00:38:813 (1,2,3,1) - i can't play 7 star maps so im not sure, but wouldn't this be hella awkward to play? maybe you could buff the 2 3 out a bit and make the spacing of the whole pattern get smaller over time if that's the case.
00:47:965 (1,2) - these are super anticlimactic, you have a lot of nice energy built up with the streams, and then it's completely destroyed when you sit still for 2 measure holding a key down. doing something with lower spacing works better here like at 00:46:122 (4,5,6,7,8) - or something
00:53:813 (4) - i think removing this note works much better. that way, you pair 00:53:304 (1,1) - together since they both have a 1/1 gap. 00:55:846 (4) - same
01:04:235 (1) - imo should make this to a stream considering that the top diff has a full stream here, as does toybot.
01:08:938 (2) - doesnt really feel that important to map to me. kinda messes up the 1/1 gap in the melody.
01:11:607 (1,2,3) - definitely sounds like 1/6th to me. but when i slow it down it kinda sounds slower so idk..
01:16:438 (2,3,4,5) - other times you used sliders on these, why are they screen jumps here o.o

[toybot]
00:08:813 - same thing as kroytz, could be cool to put kicksliders here to show the melody notes
00:13:898 (1,2,3,4) - similarly, a visual change on this one could distinguish the 3 notes in hte melody a little better than just ncing here.
00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - unsnapped
00:28:643 (1) - considering what the top diffs have here (which is more or less a bunch of fullscreen jump spam) i suggest making this rhythm in this part more dense to fit with the spread a bit better. this was one of the parts with the biggest density discrepancies so bringing it up a bit would be nice.
00:32:584 (2) - making these 2 clicks would be nice cuz melody thing
also generally i think you could use some 3/4 sliders instead of 1/1 to make the rhythm a bit denser since kroytz's top diff is quite dense by comparison, same for smoothie's
00:44:406 (1,2) - this felt kind of anticlimactic, why not do something like what kroytz did? if not that, imo spacing out the 1/1 a bit more would be nice since you can kinda just waddle your cursor over and it doesnt really stand out much atm
00:47:584 (2) - 00:48:601 (2) - imo these should be converted to circles. this would allow the kicksliders to exclusively be on the cool drum rhythm stuff
00:53:813 (3) - should not be mapped clickable imo. the melody isn't on it and the 1/1 break creates a nice effect, like at 00:55:719 (2) - where the clicks are 1/1 apart.
01:20:251 - 3/4 slider here especially would be really nice. i dont think the release finish effect works that well with a jump to the next note since the jump deprioritzes the slider end a lot
01:26:607 (3) - whys this 1 looks so different from the other wave sliders lol
01:28:132 (1,2,1,2) - i get what you followed here but imo the melody is more clear. either way works tho just something to consider since you follwed melody a lot of the time anyway
01:44:912 (7,8,9) - ehh this is the only time you stacked like this, it stands out a lot but the thing you did it on isn't really that distinctive. i suggest to change it to something less unique
01:48:217 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - you never highlighted this thing before to this degree. if you want to make something this visually unique here (which is fine, looks nice etc) then do so in the other times it happens earlier in this section as well.
also the od is way too low lol, at least 9 please.
[alheak]
00:14:406 - why is the sv so low. feels super super low even considering this is a pretty easy part
00:24:321 (4,5,6) - ctrl g on this rhythm seems better. you're following guitar with your sliders, so might as well do it here too.
00:27:880 (2,3) - this is cute
00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - unsnapped!
00:36:524 (5,6) - the guitar here is also kinda unsnapped. since you're following the guitar in this section, better snap these sliders properly.
also props for actually following the melody ..
00:40:338 (1,2,3,4,1) - making this smaller over time would be cool to show the song getting softer
00:48:728 (6) - in the opening stream you put kicksliders on these, here too?
01:01:440 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - i don't really hear anything drastically different, why is it into 3 parts here
01:03:218 - imo if you stick a hold slider over this breaking it up to follow the background sounds.
01:18:472 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern seems like a massive massive diffspike o.o
01:21:776 (4,5,6,7) - feels like the difference of spacing on 01:22:030 (1) - is visually much smaller compared to 01:21:013 (1) -. maybe make it a bit bigger
01:28:132 (1) - you kinda follow the guitar everywhere else why switch to cymbals here o.o in the first kiai you followed the guitar too
also 01:27:115 - should be not-kiai'd?
01:49:742 (1) - feels quite overspaced

[exhaust]
00:09:576 (3) - 2 kickslider here like later at 00:12:627 (1,2) -
01:06:523 (2,3) - this 3 doesnt follow anything cuz of the red tick snare rhythms
01:09:065 (3) - 2 clicks for melody?
01:18:980 (4) - would be nice to distinguish this one somehow. maybe clickable.

generally fine

[ponoyoshi hyper]
00:09:576 (3,4,1) - feels very sudden considering that most other 1/2 appearing till now is stacked
00:12:500 (3) - having this here is weird cuz it removes emphasis frm 451 which actually has drum sounds
00:30:677 (1,2,3,4,5) - can u make this visual spacing a bit higher
00:34:109 (3,4) - this amount of melody notes on slider ends is really annoying, can you make some more clickable
also the spacing here is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally cramped so it looks really shitty, spread stuff out please
00:34:745 (1) - also i think actually following the melody here would be a lot better lol this just seems completely disconnected from the song
00:38:940 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - ok honestly this rhythm is horrifically bad, the song is dividing itself into groups of 3 1/2 ticks but your rhythm or patterns don't reflect that at all.
00:43:007 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern looks really weird, why is 4 randomly on the other side...?
also the guitar thing feels really underwhelming
01:02:202 - why is this so small, looked like 1/16th or something to me. can u make it so it looks like actually visible slider body
01:23:556 (3) - cttrl g this to avoid covered repeat slider
01:47:200 (3) - 2 clicks plz

[fizz adv]
00:03:728 (1,3) - rip visual spacing

00:08:177 (4) - why is this clickable o.o theres nothign there
00:24:448 (3) - it was bad enough that you randomly switched to drums for a triple, but this both looks bad and would be pretty confusing for noobs since its the first 1/4 ever
00:26:228 (2,3) - these dont really follow anything important. imo following the held out guitar is better here, you could do that by removing 00:25:592 (1) - this repeat and just making a slider from there
00:36:779 (1,2) - multi repeats are dissuaded in lower diffs due to the low amount of time you actually see the repeat arrow
00:39:957 - 00:39:575 (5,1) - making 5 into a repeat and 1 into a circle would be better to work with how the song divide itself here since it's in parts of 3 1/2 beats

00:53:813 (3) - meh theres nothing here, a 1/1 gap fits a lot better imo..
00:55:846 (4) - same
00:58:516 (3) - make this look decent please
00:59:829 (3,5,6) - this first jump might be a bit large considering its the first time its introduced, don't think 1/3 jumps are that good for this diff level anyway
01:43:640 (1,1) - will be confusing cuz the sliders last for different amounts of time lol

kinda bored of this song by now, gonna stop here. seems to me like the diffs still need a bit of work, you can ask for recheck when they are a bit better =D

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2017-06-01T21:23:57+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[alheak]
00:14:406 - why is the sv so low. feels super super low even considering this is a pretty easy part I think it's relatively appropriate since the previous intense stream section is .75x, reducing to .50x here is by no mean a stretch
I understand why it could feel a bit slow but it actually never crossed my mind before, and I don't think anybody ever complained about it
00:24:321 (4,5,6) - ctrl g on this rhythm seems better. you're following guitar with your sliders, so might as well do it here too. ya
00:27:880 (2,3) - this is cute owo
00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - unsnapped! ok
00:36:524 (5,6) - the guitar here is also kinda unsnapped. since you're following the guitar in this section, better snap these sliders properly. ye
also props for actually following the melody ..
00:40:338 (1,2,3,4,1) - making this smaller over time would be cool to show the song getting softer nice
00:48:728 (6) - in the opening stream you put kicksliders on these, here too? the streams are a bit different and i used kicksliders ealier to emphasize the melody in the background
01:01:440 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - i don't really hear anything drastically different, why is it into 3 parts here changed
01:03:218 - imo if you stick a hold slider over this breaking it up to follow the background sounds. I think I prefer emphasizing the choir here, mapping the background instruments would feel superfluous
01:18:472 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern seems like a massive massive diffspike o.o the slider leniency makes it actually very easy and snappy
01:21:776 (4,5,6,7) - feels like the difference of spacing on 01:22:030 (1) - is visually much smaller compared to 01:21:013 (1) -. maybe make it a bit bigger reduced 01:21:013 (1) - instead since all the other streams have a 0.8 distance
01:28:132 (1) - you kinda follow the guitar everywhere else why switch to cymbals here o.o in the first kiai you followed the guitar too I wanted to emphasize the small interlude since it's quite an important change from the original melody
also 01:27:115 - should be not-kiai'd? good idea
01:49:742 (1) - feels quite overspaced nerfed a bit

thank you!

update

Kroytz

703 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Kroytz 2017-06-04T18:00:07+00:00

I updated your diff Alheak but I don't believe these snaps are properly placed. I want to say they are not since the mixing in the song isn't very clean - lots of 1/6 mixtures going on might be better to simplify using 1/4s. let me know if you want me to unfix (refix?) the snaps, otherwise another nominator can provide insight with it.

7ambda

2,590 posts

Joined January 2015

7ambda 2017-06-05T08:04:08+00:00

[BASIC]

01:04:363 (1) - Should there be a 1/1 gap recovery time between spinners? Considering this is supposed to be the introduction diff, and constant spinning in general gets tiring for beginners. There's no clear indication of where the second spinner should start, so 1/1 could work, depending how you want to emphasize the hitsounds in the climax.

[HYPER]

01:49:234 (2) - Ctrl+g would create smooth clockwise flow instead of what you had going by orienting all the sliders in the same direction

[EXHAUST]

01:52:538 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - maybe you noticed or you didn't, but your triangles start to get less and less equidistant as they progress

[INFINITE]

00:27:880 (2,3) - this jump feels unnecessarily large for what you're trying to emphasize, especially when (3) isn't that much stronger from (2)
00:31:694 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - cool pattern

[MAXIMUM]

00:51:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the pitch is lower than the previous combo, so you should swap spacing with 00:51:016 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)
01:04:235 (1) - why not just stack on 01:06:523 (2) for aesthetics?

im bad at modding

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2017-06-05T11:12:49+00:00

The guitar bend is going up in pitch here, that's what's emphasized, and I don't believe the jump is too big for that since I really wanna accentuate this

Thanks for the mod though

Fizz

275 posts

Joined September 2013

Fizz 2017-06-08T14:39:46+00:00

reply

Naotoshi wrote:
[fizz adv]
00:03:728 (1,3) - rip visual spacing fixed
00:08:177 (4) - why is this clickable o.o theres nothign there fixed
00:24:448 (3) - it was bad enough that you randomly switched to drums for a triple, but this both looks bad and would be pretty confusing for noobs since its the first 1/4 ever i really don't think this is a "noob map" and having stuff be confusing isn't necessarily an issue for me. i switch to the drums cuz i think it's a good way of resolving the held guitar note
00:26:228 (2,3) - these dont really follow anything important. imo following the held out guitar is better here, you could do that by removing 00:25:592 (1) - this repeat and just making a slider from there sry i like how it is
00:36:779 (1,2) - multi repeats are dissuaded in lower diffs due to the low amount of time you actually see the repeat arrow yeah better make sure everyone fcs first try
00:39:957 - 00:39:575 (5,1) - making 5 into a repeat and 1 into a circle would be better to work with how the song divide itself here since it's in parts of 3 1/2 beats yeah lots of people have suggested this but in my head this is definitely a 3-3-2, 2-2-2-2 pattern

00:53:813 (3) - meh theres nothing here, a 1/1 gap fits a lot better imo.. snare
00:55:846 (4) - same same
00:58:516 (3) - make this look decent please k
00:59:829 (3,5,6) - this first jump might be a bit large considering its the first time its introduced, don't think 1/3 jumps are that good for this diff level anyway
01:43:640 (1,1) - will be confusing cuz the sliders last for different amounts of time lol

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Battle

2,865 posts

Joined February 2014

Battle 2017-06-08T21:09:42+00:00

F

F1r3tar wrote:
[BASIC]
01:04:363 (1) - Should there be a 1/1 gap recovery time between spinners? Considering this is supposed to be the introduction diff, and constant spinning in general gets tiring for beginners. There's no clear indication of where the second spinner should start, so 1/1 could work, depending how you want to emphasize the hitsounds in the climax. See, there's kinda no explicit rules stating it because of the fact that the 1/1 gap mostly applies to objects that are non-spinners, spinners are a bit more lenient in terms of being consecutive since they don't require a strict hit window and only spinning. 1/1 gap is not really necessary, also a 1/1 gap in this situation would be extremely short and unplayable with the bpm.

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-06-20T11:08:08+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:

[ponoyoshi hyper]
00:09:576 (3,4,1) - feels very sudden considering that most other 1/2 appearing till now is stacked I've used spacing here because there's 2 1/2 beats not like the other previous ones, also the song looks like a back and forth so, I thinks thats fine for that one.
00:12:500 (3) - having this here is weird cuz it removes emphasis frm 451 which actually has drum sounds True, changed
00:30:677 (1,2,3,4,5) - can u make this visual spacing a bit higher Totally
00:34:109 (3,4) - this amount of melody notes on slider ends is really annoying, can you make some more clickable Changed
also the spacing here is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally cramped so it looks really shitty, spread stuff out please
00:34:745 (1) - also i think actually following the melody here would be a lot better lol this just seems completely disconnected from the song I don't really think so, I prefer just follow the song and make something like that >.<
00:38:940 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - ok honestly this rhythm is horrifically bad, the song is dividing itself into groups of 3 1/2 ticks but your rhythm or patterns don't reflect that at all. Changed once again, but still don't know if its good or not, making this rhythm with sliders is a pain tbh
00:43:007 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern looks really weird, why is 4 randomly on the other side...? Nop, I made a different one cause the main piano we can hear at 00:43:007 (1,2,3) - just stop, thats the reason why I changed the orientation/placement of this slider
also the guitar thing feels really underwhelming
01:02:202 - why is this so small, looked like 1/16th or something to me. can u make it so it looks like actually visible slider body For that one I don't really want to change it cause making a basic reverse could be so boring imo... and also even if its looks like an 1/16th thats not making troubles to read at all, also... If thats impossible to make, I gonna change it. But if thats not an "obligation" I'll just let it like that cause its fitting the song and its looks different of the rest.
01:23:556 (3) - cttrl g this to avoid covered repeat slider Fixed
01:47:200 (3) - 2 clicks plz Changed

Thanks for the mod !

Update

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Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-06-27T02:19:31+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
00:00:678 (1,3) - could be nicer if these are visually spaced the same Don't really see the difference here so I'll just leave alone

00:08:813 (9,10,11,12) - here there is clearly 2 notes in the melody. since you used kicksliders to represent that in places like 00:12:627 (9,10) - could be nice to do it here too.

00:09:576 (1,2,3,4) -same thing ah yeah I can sort of hear those. I followed what was most dominant, so the arpeggios don't have the kickslider even tho there's a violin in the background but the ones with the kick sliders don't have accompanied arpeggios.

00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - the snapping on this thing is completely off and noticeably so. i recommend snapping it properly, as dumb as it looks on timeline. this applies to all diffs! Can't remember if we talked about this but the snapping is odd to use if used in 1/6 that are like 10 ms off or something. It's just better to simplify it since it'll play the same. A lot of subtle beats are kinda off-placed but it's just much better to keep it simplified instead of trying to snap everything to the ms and having it play all weird.

00:23:558 (1,2,3,4) - the size of these jumps is way too similar to 00:23:050 (3,4,5) - imo. there is no guitar melody on them, so they should be differentiated from the previous combo.
00:29:279 (5) - same here kinda, there isnt reason for this one to be so large considering there is no melody on it It's really more/less to be played as sequential pattern seeing as how 00:23:558 (1,2,3,4,5) - is a star and 00:29:787 (2,3,1,2,3) - is almost a full hexagon. Nothing to be 1:1 with the song but just structured to be a pattern. I quite like it this way.

00:25:592 (1,2,3) - this snapping seems fucky..00:25:783 (2) - should actually be on the 1/6th beat at 00:25:762 - Yeah, better to simplify it since the song's mixing is a bit inconsistent.

00:37:287 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - to be honest these jumps look completely randomly placed. was there some form of organization that i missed? there doesnt look like any type of consnistent motion, similar direction of movement, whatever... errr yes there is an organization.. I'll try my best to explain. The top circles follow the rest of the stream and it triangulates lower with every NC. Up until the ending jumps it plays as a 3/4 square all while increasing the spacing.

00:48:092 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i dont hear anything that suggests this type of patterning. what were you following here? Four arpeggios that have strong | weak | strong | weak composition.

00:53:813 (4) - feels like it should be a slider end. no melody even though that's the most dominant part by far
00:55:846 (4) - same
00:57:753 (3) - same
even removing these circles seems much better to me since it leaves the 1/1 gap that shows the similarity between 00:55:338 (1) - or 00:55:974 (1) - etc. since they're paired in the song, should be mapped the same way too, with a 1/1 gap into them. but there's a drum clap on all of those x_x I can't change that. If I wanted to undermap to the song then maybe but I try to capture all the strong beats here. I had thought about slider too but the ending claps rub me the wrong way tbh.

01:06:523 (2,3) - definitely sounds like a rhythm like http://puu.sh/w3GL5/4ae55995f5.jpg in the drums instead. or 3/4 slider for the 2nd one, whatever, but that red tick snare is much better here since there isnt a melody on the white tick like 01:09:574 (2,3) - yeah, not really for me

01:13:387 (2) - here i know youre following the melody but having a finish be unclickable just feels kinda lame. gomen

01:13:896 (1,2) - ctrl g on this seems (to me) to follow the vocals a bit better. I can see that, but I don't like the way it flows from the previous measure.

01:22:030 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - doesnt make sense to have direction change on 234 etc cuz its in the same er, it's meants to continue the clockwise flow

01:38:047 (5,6) - could be cool to do something with kicksliders to represent how the song changed (like these ones are more abrupt basically) This one sounds pretty good idea, I'll think about it since my current structure heavily relies on 01:37:285 (1) - being blanketed and using a kick slider will throw off the aesthetic.

01:38:303 (1,2,3) - imo you should nerf the spacing on these quieter piano streams since its like super quiet, then it could be visually different from the 123 123 123 stuff as well I can't nerf the spacing because then it's a bit hard to discern the smaller spacing of the ending 1/4s. Also, since it's 1/3, bigger spacing helps keep fluid motion to accommodate for the shorter timing windows.

01:41:268 (3,1) - this didnt seem very impactful since there isnt really a direction change on 1, i think it should be distinguished more like at the other times This is okay.. Following the direction of the previous is okay too, just really a matter of where I wanted to go in the editor since I don't wanna corner myself.

01:46:437 - could be cool to do something with the background melody around here Possibly but I already have my structure here~

01:58:131 (1) - kinda seems like it should be separated visually from the stream since its a completely different sound You mean spaced higher? I could but I think it's already spaced quite well apart from the others.

Thank you Nao, hopefully my responses are understandable!

@F1r3tar: The triangles are the same spacing but the jump to every NC will of course be slighty different. It'll be okay~

toybot

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toybot 2017-07-04T02:55:35+00:00

forgot to post my draft lol

Naotoshi wrote:
[toybot]
00:08:813 - same thing as kroytz, could be cool to put kicksliders here to show the melody notes // meh, like it as is
00:13:898 (1,2,3,4) - similarly, a visual change on this one could distinguish the 3 notes in hte melody a little better than just ncing here. // don't have anything for here tbh
00:22:287 (4,5,6,7,1) - unsnapped
00:28:643 (1) - considering what the top diffs have here (which is more or less a bunch of fullscreen jump spam) i suggest making this rhythm in this part more dense to fit with the spread a bit better. this was one of the parts with the biggest density discrepancies so bringing it up a bit would be nice. // i wanted to emphasize the clarity of the piano
00:32:584 (2) - making these 2 clicks would be nice cuz melody thing
also generally i think you could use some 3/4 sliders instead of 1/1 to make the rhythm a bit denser since kroytz's top diff is quite dense by comparison, same for smoothie's
00:44:406 (1,2) - this felt kind of anticlimactic, why not do something like what kroytz did? if not that, imo spacing out the 1/1 a bit more would be nice since you can kinda just waddle your cursor over and it doesnt really stand out much atm // i felt that this section was calming down, actually, in order to flow into the relatively slower paced piano streams
00:47:584 (2) - 00:48:601 (2) - imo these should be converted to circles. this would allow the kicksliders to exclusively be on the cool drum rhythm stuff // mostly following a pattern tbh, don't want to change that
00:53:813 (3) - should not be mapped clickable imo. the melody isn't on it and the 1/1 break creates a nice effect, like at 00:55:719 (2) - where the clicks are 1/1 apart.
01:20:251 - 3/4 slider here especially would be really nice. i dont think the release finish effect works that well with a jump to the next note since the jump deprioritzes the slider end a lot // i debated over this alot, but i want to keep it. i really like the release effect here
01:26:607 (3) - whys this 1 looks so different from the other wave sliders lol
01:28:132 (1,2,1,2) - i get what you followed here but imo the melody is more clear. either way works tho just something to consider since you follwed melody a lot of the time anyway
01:44:912 (7,8,9) - ehh this is the only time you stacked like this, it stands out a lot but the thing you did it on isn't really that distinctive. i suggest to change it to something less unique
01:48:217 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - you never highlighted this thing before to this degree. if you want to make something this visually unique here (which is fine, looks nice etc) then do so in the other times it happens earlier in this section as well. // yeah i just ditched it, didnt like it
also the od is way too low lol, at least 9 please.

kinda bored of this song by now, gonna stop here. seems to me like the diffs still need a bit of work, you can ask for recheck when they are a bit better =D

didn't like 3312's suggestions, sorry
did atsuro's thing
sorry for the delay! https://0paste.com/13765.txt

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-07-04T16:46:07+00:00

Smoothie World's mod response got lost but some stuff were fixed among other smaller things.

All updated now!

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-07-23T06:04:17+00:00

By request: Poyoshi's HYPER -> Pono's HYPER
Fixed a hitsound in BASIC.
Updated.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-08-01T11:41:13+00:00

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Izzywing

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Izzywing 2017-10-10T20:31:03+00:00

recheck

top diff -

00:05:953 - this overmap seems unnecessary to me, not really feeling any emphasis for it to provide

00:18:728 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - i didnt really like this because it implies that all of these notes are in the same pattern musically, which they sort of are but the introduction of the drumroll 00:18:983 - makes me think there should be some separation there in terms of the patterning. not necessary, but I think it would be an improvement.

00:29:660 (1) - would make more sense as a slider to match 00:28:643 (1) -

00:30:804 (2,3,4) - and 00:31:313 (6,7,8) - masking blue tick sounds in between triplets is very underwhelming

00:36:779 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I think this is overdone. Not the spacing, but the rhythm. I like 00:38:813 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4), but making every single one of the piano notes in the build up to this circles makes the entire pattern very draining to land and it ends up making the jumps at 00:38:813 - more of a difficulty spike than they ought to be. I think it would be a lot better if you incorporated sliders in the rhyhm for the piano notes building up the to the more climactic jumps; this also helps them stand out more. this is probably my biggest issue here

01:54:954 - have you considered a kickslider here? there are two drum sounds after all

other diffs are fine

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-11-05T10:25:48+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
recheck

top diff -

00:05:953 - this overmap seems unnecessary to me, not really feeling any emphasis for it to provide Yep I removed the circle

00:18:728 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - i didnt really like this because it implies that all of these notes are in the same pattern musically, which they sort of are but the introduction of the drumroll 00:18:983 - makes me think there should be some separation there in terms of the patterning. not necessary, but I think it would be an improvement. Yep I changed it to sound more accurate with the music.

00:29:660 (1) - would make more sense as a slider to match 00:28:643 (1) - The first object I made as a slider because it came off stronger as a Finish and new phrase. It's okay to be circle as I did here.

00:30:804 (2,3,4) - and 00:31:313 (6,7,8) - masking blue tick sounds in between triplets is very underwhelming There's no good rhythmic way to go about this lol. I believe I did it okay tho. There is a red beat, blue beat, and white beat so the triple hits all of them despite the blue being a bit more pronounced.

00:36:779 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I think this is overdone. Not the spacing, but the rhythm. I like 00:38:813 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4), but making every single one of the piano notes in the build up to this circles makes the entire pattern very draining to land and it ends up making the jumps at 00:38:813 - more of a difficulty spike than they ought to be. I think it would be a lot better if you incorporated sliders in the rhyhm for the piano notes building up the to the more climactic jumps; this also helps them stand out more. this is probably my biggest issue here Edit: Fixed to utilize some sliders and less spacing to give contrast to the real jumps after this.

01:54:954 - have you considered a kickslider here? there are two drum sounds after all I did use a kick slider here before, this is probably the 3rd time I went back from circle to kick slider. I'll make it as kick slider cuz yeah two drums.

other diffs are fine

oki dokie~

Last edited by Kroytz 2017-11-20T21:54:56+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Krfawy

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Krfawy 2017-11-09T16:46:34+00:00

Hi, I would like to ask for a difficulty that is called BEGINNER and actually plays like an easy or normal because right now the density and the pace of the sliders in the lowest difficulty make the difficulty far far far away from being suitable for the noobs/newer players. Like... how are the players supposed to follow the sliders if the pace is equal to 259.6 bpm? I understand that the lowest difficulty is not going to be your casual easy diff for a 96bpm song, but seriously, the very reason that "the bpm/pace/tempo/whatever is really fast" doesn't mean we should have something like this Basic as the easiest diff. Right now the difficulty is not even readable with the AR as it should be at least AR5.5 if not higher due to the quickness and rapidness of the patterns. Honestly, AR6 would work here just perfectly fine. Now the difficulty is more like a typical advanced or hard.

And I hope that no one is going to flood me with the "this is 1.92* so it is below 2* so it is totally rankable" message.

Also, the NOVICE would work better with AR7 due to the similar reasoning as in the difficulty above.

Also, the ADVANCED has one slider that overlaps the reversing arrows too much 00:15:932 (1,3) - I am sure this counts as "way too hidden".

The set has a really nice spread though, I must confess I am really impressed that it doesn't feel like a bunch of random people mapping random maps, the scaling from one map to another is executed really nice as sometimes it might be the case if almost every diff is mapped by someone else. Good job on that point guys! :3

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-11-09T18:29:19+00:00

Hello Krfawy! Thank you for your message!

I'm not sure I understand what you mean with your BPM notions, but strictly speaking, a <2* is required for ranking. So, I would not want to add another difficulty below the minimal requirement as the set is quite large already (and all the SDVX diff names are used lol). The in-game setting such as AR are more or less the same as you would find in many other beatmaps so I disagree with changing them that drastically. If anything, ADVANCED AR can be reduced to 7.5 so it's not such a huge jump between the difficulties. As far as the reverse arrow, it's only about 50% covered so it should be fine.

I appreciate the comments

Krfawy

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Krfawy 2017-11-10T17:30:07+00:00

OMFG no please I beg you do not lower the AR in Advanced that will make the diff less playable due to the high note density, the setting set is perfect just as it is.

What I wanted to say is: The bpm of the song is 236. The SV in the lowest difficulty is 1.1x. Now Imagine how the beginners struggle with it, the pace of the sliders literally is a killer. Sure, the star rating is only 1.92* and it is below 2.00* but what I mean is the fact that the difficulty is slider-heavy and usually when many sliders are used the game shows kind of fake stats like the star rating - it is lower than it should be. Beginners are usually more comfortable with clicking the circles even though they require more accuracy because they require less attention from them when trying to just click them and sliders are very hard to follow because they require three qualities: clicking the actual slider circle, following the sliderball and obviously more movement than the actual circle and it's easier for the noobs to end up with a 100 instead of a 300. That's why I am whining about the difficulty as it reaaaaaaaaaally feels heavy and hardcore as I am a noob in this game. DX I hope my explanation is more approachable now.

I do understand it is a tough request from me especially because it is a monster set in the actual bubbled state, and as you said the whole names for the diffs are being used, and it is not very convenient for the mapper to map/get another diff for the set, I am not blaming you for that as I would be waaaay too lazy to achieve something like this set rn, but I would really appreciate if you could find some newbies in this game that can't play (100K rank or lower) so they would say if my concerns are real or if I'm being bogus as heck.

Sorry for being such a witch about this thing but I am literally obsessed with the lower diffs being playable for the less experienced players, I hope you don't want to kill me in the most violent way because of that. :< Or is it possible for you to ask people like ezek or Bakari if the BASIC is easy enough? ;w;

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-11-10T20:33:39+00:00

Thank you for elaborating Krfawy I really appreciate it!

Another lower difficulty in principle wouldn't be such a bad idea since it doesn't hurt to help lower players out I suppose, but as I said before, strictly in regards to the RC it only needs a <2* diff. I believe what you're trying to say that for a low difficulty, it plays too difficult? I can't really be the judge of that because the BPM is a real killer in this song. Generally a 1/1 in low bpm, lets say... 150bpm for an Easy difficulty is going to be simple to play due to lower densities, but the same SR at a higher bpm is obviously going to be more intense because of how short the snaps are between objects. 500ms versus 200ms for instance. Again, I would rather not go through trouble to add in another diff (mostly because it's objectively unnecessary and because there are no more diff names available) but as reminder this is a KONAMI ARCADE CHAMPIONSHIP Song and therefore should be treated as such for all difficulties available~

Thank you for your concern Krfawy, I hope my response can be well received to you!

Krfawy

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Krfawy 2017-11-11T13:58:47+00:00

Yes, my biggest concern was about the difficulty being too hardcore. Dearie me, I hope my future explanations can be written in a more obvious fashion. Nevertheless, I can see that you do care about the playability and the design of the maps and I am really thankful for considering my ideas and addressing them in a very polite way. As they have been discussed I don't happen to have any other ones so all I can say is good luck with this set Kroytz and thank you for a talk! :3

DVI Cable

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DVI Cable 2017-11-20T02:29:17+00:00

I could only play hyper and lower and the whole time I was thinking how easily this could pass for a very good ranked play. Well made, timed, spaced. Good job

Izzywing

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Izzywing 2017-11-20T21:53:06+00:00

When I see Monstrata map the beautiful game osu!, I get inspired. He makes me want to get better and continue pushing myself to improve and learn new things. When I watch Kroytz, I get frustrated. All I see is a gimmicky stream mapper. It's not enjoyable watching Kroytz map. Seeing him copy his maps from Monstrata was truly disheartening. That's not how anyone likes to see osu being mapped, and the players let him know. I hope Kroytz handles the hate well, because he sure as hell wont be receiving any love from me.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-11-28T21:00:23+00:00

[requiem]
00:02:203 (1,3) - unrankable

00:05:762 - ending slider here and click at 00:05:889 - could convey the 3 vocal pitch change better

00:17:457 (1,2,3,1) - why 2 nc? compare 00:16:059 (2,3,4) -

00:30:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ignoring this EXTREMELY OBVIOUS 3/4 piano melody is very boring, it would be much more engaging to map it differently for the player since 1/2 based rhythm spam is really not a good representation of the song

00:36:016 (3,4,5,6,7) - why is this one so much different from the previous 3? its the exact same sound being repeated.

00:47:965 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i dont think these direction changes follow the most obvious divisions in the song...

00:53:813 (4) - i've explained repeatedly why this should be deleted, along with this one: 00:55:846 (4) - . they don't fit the melodic structure at all. even if there is a random drum beat there, mapping it detracts from the main melody significantly and you get a much better effect by not mapping it.

01:06:269 (1,2,3) - current rhythm doesn't line up with the claps very well, i think that would be better. there isnt really a melody change on the white ticks so this is subpar imo

01:11:862 (4,5) - would b nicer as a slider to focus on the melody more

[smoothie]
00:24:957 (1,2) - i think the melody changes at 00:25:084 - so kickslider + 1/2 slider works better than this.

00:25:783 (2,3) - this completely kills the blue tick based melody that you highlighted earlier 00:23:495 (1) - ...

00:30:677 (1,2,3) - 3/4 clicking plz ..01:30:166 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - same

00:47:965 (1,2) - these both completely destroy the rotational movements but the song isnt even changing that much. no reason to put kicksliders here imo.

00:53:813 (4) - see kroytz's diff

01:08:938 (2) - imo delete or make this passive, it kind of screws up the rhythm based on clicking on the melody notes.
[toybot]
00:23:050 (1,2,1,2,3) - imo nc on the white tick since thats where the melody phrase change happens

00:24:957 (1) - 3/4 imo..

00:59:152 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - wtf is this direction change on lol, its super sharp but nothing in the song supports it
01:18:726 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - same

01:08:938 (2,3) - meh having 2 melody notes on the same slider and a click on a random drum is subpar imo, just remove 2 and make 3 2 circles

01:33:598 (1) - remove nc , its in same musical phrase as previous 2

[alheak]
od 8.5, current is weirdly low for 6.5 sr

none of the other diff names are in all caps for gder name so this 1 looks weird lo

00:22:796 (2,4) - stack mod

00:24:957 (3) - if u acknowledge the blue tick melody you might as well just actually map with a double...
[exhaust]
od 8 imo, its 5.5 sr and has decently dense rhythm

00:25:211 (4,5,6) - what is this rhythm dude. u completely cover up the melody on 00:25:338 - 00:25:465 - that you were focusing and focus right after.

00:34:745 (1,2,3,4) - melody plz..

01:09:065 (3) - 2 circlez
01:25:463 (3,4) - i think 1/1 works better here to show how the guitar is extended compared to 01:24:446 (3) -

[pono]
od 7

00:12:372 (2,3) - these follow nothing, slider plz.
01:31:691 (1) - remove nc imo
01:54:064 (3) - add nc imo

[fizz]
00:38:813 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this is a mess, the music is divided into 3/2 sections of 3 1/2 notes each. please reflect that with your patterning and rhythm choice somehow

01:53:301 (3,1,2,3,4,5) - same

01:11:989 (5,6) - imo delete 5 and make 6 2 circles to follow the melody better

[ametrin]
too dense imo. raise the ar, 6.5 or 7 is better. this will help with the more 1/2 sspammy parts since noobs will have trouble reading consecutive 1/2 sliders if there are a lot of them on the screen.

01:07:794 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is like, weirdly dense for how calm the part is. long sliders are still quite challenging as well. imo delete 6

01:15:167 - imo fill this one in, i know theres no vocal but the 2/1 break feels relly awkward

01:36:268 (6) - nc

[battle]
i think you could raise ar to 5 or 5.5 too, theres some parts of the kiai with like 4 objects on screen aat the same time, pretty meh imo

00:39:830 (1,2) - coming in in the middle of this secction seems so out of place lol. better to either remove the spinner and start at the beginning of it or just delete these

01:12:370 (1,1) - manual stack this plz

01:45:929 (3,1) - same

yes i know theyre rankable but its still a bit confusing imo

01:52:538 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm is a bit bad cuz the song structure is 3/2 based. try a 3/2 repeat instead i think.

Alheak

910 posts

Joined November 2013

Alheak 2017-11-28T22:31:30+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[alheak]
od 8.5, current is weirdly low for 6.5 sr ok

none of the other diff names are in all caps for gder name so this 1 looks weird lo they're the ones in the wrong tbh

00:22:796 (2,4) - stack mod ok

00:24:957 (3) - if u acknowledge the blue tick melody you might as well just actually map with a double... too much autism, doesn't play that great

thank

update

Ametrin

717 posts

Joined May 2012

Ametrin 2017-11-29T03:40:38+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[ametrin]
too dense imo. raise the ar, 6.5 or 7 is better. this will help with the more 1/2 sspammy parts since noobs will have trouble reading consecutive 1/2 sliders if there are a lot of them on the screen.

01:07:794 (3,4,5,6,1) - this is like, weirdly dense for how calm the part is. long sliders are still quite challenging as well. imo delete 6

01:15:167 - imo fill this one in, i know theres no vocal but the 2/1 break feels relly awkward

01:36:268 (6) - nc

all fixed

update

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Fizz

275 posts

Joined September 2013

Fizz 2017-11-29T03:43:23+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[fizz]
00:38:813 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this is a mess, the music is divided into 3/2 sections of 3 1/2 notes each. please reflect that with your patterning and rhythm choice somehow i dont entirely agree with you here but i instead made the rhythm consistent with what i already have which is 3/3/2 notes per measure

01:53:301 (3,1,2,3,4,5) - same

01:11:989 (5,6) - imo delete 5 and make 6 2 circles to follow the melody better kept 6 as a slider but removed 5

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Version:Fizz's ADVANCED
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Tags:SDVX Grace The 5th KAC Original Song Contest KONAMI BEMANI Battle Ametrin Fizz Ponoyoshi Alheak toybot Smoothie World
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toybot

1,067 posts

Joined June 2013

toybot 2017-11-29T03:50:32+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[toybot]
00:23:050 (1,2,1,2,3) - imo nc on the white tick since thats where the melody phrase change happens

00:24:957 (1) - 3/4 imo..

00:59:152 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - wtf is this direction change on lol, its super sharp but nothing in the song supports it // i would see what u mean if this was like straight streams but this is all in the same circular motion, imo it would be worse to change it to be more accurate
01:18:726 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - same

01:08:938 (2,3) - meh having 2 melody notes on the same slider and a click on a random drum is subpar imo, just remove 2 and make 3 2 circles

01:33:598 (1) - remove nc , its in same musical phrase as previous 2

thank u https://0paste.com/18641.txt

Kroytz

703 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Kroytz 2017-11-30T03:32:57+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
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00:02:203 (1,3) - unrankable how is this unrankable exactly? nobody i talk to say this is unrankable wut

00:05:762 - ending slider here and click at 00:05:889 - could convey the 3 vocal pitch change better Sure changed

00:17:457 (1,2,3,1) - why 2 nc? compare 00:16:059 (2,3,4) - Fixed

00:30:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ignoring this EXTREMELY OBVIOUS 3/4 piano melody is very boring, it would be much more engaging to map it differently for the player since 1/2 based rhythm spam is really not a good representation of the song It's because this is higher diff and more object count in general. I think some lower diffs represent it more accurate but it's less dense. There are beats on red whites and piano 3/4 blues so this is the way I can capture all of the beats without missing them, despite it not being much exciting :T

00:36:016 (3,4,5,6,7) - why is this one so much different from the previous 3? its the exact same sound being repeated. Okay changed

00:47:965 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i dont think these direction changes follow the most obvious divisions in the song... I'm hearing low->high arpeggios here o,o

00:53:813 (4) - i've explained repeatedly why this should be deleted, along with this one: 00:55:846 (4) - . they don't fit the melodic structure at all. even if there is a random drum beat there, mapping it detracts from the main melody significantly and you get a much better effect by not mapping it. I remember saying about how I wanted to capture as many beats here that I can. Undermapping it feels too weak, sort of like huh?
where did all the zippity zoo go? I know its softer section but its weaker in it's own way too, not always having to be less dense.

01:06:269 (1,2,3) - current rhythm doesn't line up with the claps very well, i think that would be better. there isnt really a melody change on the white ticks so this is subpar imo Rhythm gets kinda fucky here. I actually just simplified the rhythm only because the music isn't so consistent with it's claps and stuff. There's weak whites and off reds, idk. I find this to be more comfortable to the melody versus the awkward drums.

01:11:862 (4,5) - would b nicer as a slider to focus on the melody more Okay change

[exhaust]
od 8 imo, its 5.5 sr and has decently dense rhythm Okay

00:25:211 (4,5,6) - what is this rhythm dude. u completely cover up the melody on 00:25:338 - 00:25:465 - that you were focusing and focus right after. Changed to be a bit better

00:34:745 (1,2,3,4) - melody plz.. This one rather focusing on drums here :S

01:09:065 (3) - 2 circlez Okay
01:25:463 (3,4) - i think 1/1 works better here to show how the guitar is extended compared to 01:24:446 (3) - But then it'd feel too weak and I'd have to change a lot of similar sections for it too, it wouldn't be good idea imo.

Kroytz

703 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Kroytz 2017-11-30T17:49:43+00:00

Smoothie World gave me permission to answer for him.

Naotoshi wrote:
smoothie
00:24:957 (1,2) - i think the melody changes at 00:25:084 - so kickslider + 1/2 slider works better than this. It's a consistent rhythm used throughout the map so, I don't believe it'd be best to change this (personally I think SW rhythm is used okay here anyways).

00:25:783 (2,3) - this completely kills the blue tick based melody that you highlighted earlier 00:23:495 (1) - ... Not sure I understand what you're saying here when the music, mainly the guitar, is functioning different in both measures. Rhythm is also okay here.

00:30:677 (1,2,3) - 3/4 clicking plz ..01:30:166 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - same 3/4 ignores some of the white drums :/ His rhythm is almost similar to mine in terms of which beats are being hit here and I suppose it's for good reason. Yknow, undermapping the beats make the high treble pianos feel too weak when in the song they are very strong.

00:47:965 (1,2) - these both completely destroy the rotational movements but the song isnt even changing that much. no reason to put kicksliders here imo. I'd agree that kick sliders aren't necessary here but they aren't used wrongly either - it's the 4th measure of the phrase and so separate it from the next phrase, either making it stronger or weaker follows a general principle of music theory, so long as it isn't the same as previous 3 measures.

00:53:813 (4) - see kroytz's diff Same response xp

01:08:938 (2) - imo delete or make this passive, it kind of screws up the rhythm based on clicking on the melody notes. Makes sense, deleted.

tyty nao~

PoNo

504 posts

Joined July 2014

PoNo 2017-12-01T23:46:16+00:00

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256,352,118131,5,4,3:0:0:0:

Fixed everything btw

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Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-12-02T00:19:19+00:00

battle also let me reply for him...

Naotoshi wrote:
[battle]
i think you could raise ar to 5 or 5.5 too, theres some parts of the kiai with like 4 objects on screen aat the same time, pretty meh imo Ok raised to 5.5

00:39:830 (1,2) - coming in in the middle of this secction seems so out of place lol. better to either remove the spinner and start at the beginning of it or just delete these I agree these are kind of out of place. removed

01:12:370 (1,1) - manual stack this plz Fixed

01:45:929 (3,1) - same Fixed

yes i know theyre rankable but its still a bit confusing imo

01:52:538 (1,2,3,4) - this rhythm is a bit bad cuz the song structure is 3/2 based. try a 3/2 repeat instead i think. Changed to something more reasonable.

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2017-12-02T00:32:42+00:00

Okay literally everything has been updated whew

Ready to go~

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2018-01-03T14:51:31+00:00

basic
01:52:538 (1,2) - this is still a bit not so good since the song is 3/2 - try this: http://puu.sh/yTojR/d578edfeaf.jpg

fizz:
00:39:575 (5,1) - ctrl g this, the song structure places more importance on 00:39:957 - but atm it's a slider end

figure out if you want all the diffs to be caps for lower case cuz atm alheaks is inconsistent for no reason

Battle

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Battle 2018-01-04T00:29:30+00:00

fix for me kroytz pls

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2018-01-05T18:50:53+00:00

applied all

Fizz

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Fizz 2018-01-06T03:02:11+00:00

@naotoshi

but 00:39:957 (2) - isnt a sliderend and doesnt have anything to do with 00:39:575 (5,1) -
unless you didnt have the latest version? i made some changes to that section last time so iunno

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2018-01-07T03:11:33+00:00

ok reblub since some random unsnap happened i guess

Bursthammy

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Bursthammy 2018-01-07T03:19:53+00:00

Re:Meme'M

Mir

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Mir 2018-01-07T14:06:32+00:00

lachrymeme

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Izzywing

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Izzywing 2018-01-08T15:32:16+00:00

That guy does not deserve to map this beautiful song. That was the lamest thing I have ever seen. Like, Sotarks remapping Daidai levels of lame. Why would you ever touch the editor if you have that mentality? How could you have any pride when you put forth a map like that? A disgrace to osu, a disgrace to mapping, a disgrace to the community.

Lince Cosmico

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Lince Cosmico 2018-01-08T15:32:54+00:00

that was the fastest double check that i've seen on my life

banter

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banter 2018-01-08T21:26:14+00:00

01:36:268 (1) - this doesn't blanket properly reeee https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9963610

also the first slider node isn't centred with the red anchor

Enon

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Enon 2018-01-09T05:29:57+00:00

Greatz!!

Mir

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Mir 2018-01-09T08:18:45+00:00

banter wrote:
01:36:268 (1) - this doesn't blanket properly reeee https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9963610

also the first slider node isn't centred with the red anchor

you're complaining about that and im here like

Kroytz

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Kroytz 2018-01-09T09:53:13+00:00

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