chistoefur wrote:

Hello! Here's my totally not late m4m! C:

sweet Mod

[*AIRBORNE]
00:21:758 (21758|3) - I was thinking maybe move this LN to 3 and 00:22:808 (22808|2) - to 2? I know you would have to re-arrange some of your jacks, but it seems kinda weird for that first LN to be right before and in the same row as 00:22:958 (22958|3) - while being lower pitched just a suggestion (same applies to similar patterns later in the song) I get what you mean, but it's really difficult to move these LNs without either changing the jack pattern or messing up pitch relevance later in the section... I think it's just best to think of the 1/2 LN as a shift, so we're shifing up

00:26:558 (26558|3) - maybe same here as above, but the distance isn't as close so it's up to you yeah, probably just keeping it

00:48:008 (48008|0,48083|0,48233|0,48308|0) - errm these jacks are a bit much in a burst like this, maybe try to keep them the same patterns as the notes before them? (applies to similar patterns later in the song) Changed the first one, that was bad. The second is just a result of the emphasis of the drop.

00:48:458 (48458|1,48533|1) - not really sure if this jack has a sound, or if it does it's not the same as the jacks at 00:48:908 (48908|0,48983|0) - 00:49:358 (49358|1,49433|1) - etc. Maybe make it like http://i.imgur.com/tE272XX.png for all the parts that apply to this Pretty sure it's the same thing, easier to hear when it's slowed down.

00:48:833 - there should probably be a note here, there is clearly a cymbal here. and at 00:50:033 - , and 00:51:233 - ... etc. you should put singles at all these parts since the sound here is very audible Yeah, someone else pointed that out to me earlier. I suppose it's better to have those in here as singles. I'll go through and add them, hopefully it doesn't break anything.

00:56:708 (56708|1) - feels a little weird how this LN just kinda ends, but I can see why it does. Maybe extend it and keep the jack at 00:56:858 (56858|3,56933|3,57008|3,57083|3) - ? just a suggestion though I'll consider it, but it feels easier to read when it's 1/4th.

01:10:658 - why is only one single at this part when 01:11:108 - is the same sound with 2 notes? Missed it when going through probably, nice catch

01:13:058 - ^

01:46:958 - maybe make this a quad? since you made 01:37:508 (97508|2,97508|0,97508|1,97508|3) - a quad when its the same sound It's not the same sound, the quad has a cymbal and this one doesn't

01:56:708 - honestly the sv here is so jarring, though I feel it's deserving of a bit of slowjam. Maybe tone it down a bit there? Could be worse, of course. I think it's alright how it is, anything less wouldn't do it enough justice.

02:04:358 (124358|1,124358|3) - why is this the same as 02:04:208 (124208|1,124208|3) - when they're the different sounds? I hear the same sound @.@

[*SC]
00:21:758 (21758|3) - same as in AIRBORNE diff, with the LN repattern thing. still just a suggestion though Same thing as Airborne, even more restricted here as I try to keep LNs on one hand and jacks on the other.

00:29:108 - to 00:38:708 - seems kinda overmapped considering how quiet the song is, it's desnser than 00:38:708 - while being much quieter Hm, you're right. I'll consider thinning it out. Although, the second place you listed is a buildup so it's going to be less dense in preparation for what's to come.

00:48:833 - also same as in AIRBORNE, feels weird that this cymbal isn't mapped fixed @.@

01:56:708 - again, same as AIRBORNE maybe tone down the slowjam at this section? same thing as AIRBORNE

02:04:208 - also same as AIRBORNE haha :P

I can see this diff is pretty much just a wattered-down version of AIRBORNE, so pretty much most of the suggestion I made for that applies here too cool

[*MX]
00:09:908 - should probably add a single here Why wasn't there one there before? >.< fixed

00:48:833 - the cymbal thing here too So, in MX I'm not sure about having this sound. It's probably better to keep it how it is, since it's less dense and easier to hit the smaller bursts this way. I think I'll keep the cymbal thing in SC and AIRBORNE only for now.

01:56:708 - slowjam again, though it's more playable here because its a much easier diff yeah, doubt that change is necessary here either.

now that I'm looking at the LN's in MX, you should really make more of the LN patterns in the higher diffs more like the ones in this diff. They follow the music better imo Don't get me wrong, I'd love to, but the higher diffs have jacks and other things chorded along with the LNs, so the LNs' patterns take a backseat in terms of performance, I guess.

02:35:108 - could probably use a single here yup

The easier diffs looked fine good to hear c:

Sorry my mod definitely wasn't as good as yours was, to be fair your map is in a much better state than mine LOL but I hope this is still helpful for you!

Gl with rank!

Davin Fortune wrote:

Hello m4m

HD

00:09:908 - add note, kick sound like in 00:00:308 - alright
00:34:208 (34208|2,34358|3) - make it into 4 3 since here is the vocal sound that is new so just suggest it to make it seperate/contradictive with 00:33:908 (33908|0,34058|1) - sure, that works
00:39:758 - make it 2 cause this has sound which is not pretty same like 00:39:608 - just there's changes in pitch that doesn't mean make it different Here I'm going more for the drums which are 2, so making this 2 would be kind of out of place imo.
00:40:958 - ^
00:42:158 - ^
01:56:708 - add a note for start of the LN cause there is drum good call
02:03:008 (123008|1,123158|2,123308|3) - make them not connected with 02:02:858 (122858|0) - or not look like they are in a flow not quite sure why you say that, being in flow isn't necessarily a bad thing
02:05:558 (125558|1,125558|0) - should be in a part of 02:05:708 (125708|2,125708|3,125858|1,125858|0) - I was going for 4 on the outside, 4 inside... plus it sounds like it would fit this way i guess.
02:10:208 (130208|1,130358|0) - isn't this are not far with 02:11:558 (131558|1) - The sub i follow in the first part is fragmented in the second, making it fine as a pattern i think
03:04:958 - make it 2 cause this has sound which is not pretty same like 00:39:608 - just there's changes in pitch that doesn't mean make it different, pls apply to the rest which has same problem Same applies as before

good diff

SC

00:13:108 (13108|0,13158|1,13208|3,13258|2,13308|1,13358|0,13408|2,13458|3,13508|0,13558|1) - i think this should be like 00:11:858 (11858|3,11908|0,11958|1,12008|2,12058|3,12108|1,12158|0,12208|3,12258|2,12308|1,12358|0) - (around here) I think it's alright how it is
00:14:808 (14808|3,14858|2,14908|1,14958|0) - this should be make it into 00:14:708 (14708|0,14758|1) - since there isn't any violin sound which support it to make this pattern same as above, it's ok how it is
00:15:408 (15408|2,15458|3) - ctrl J them so that they will be look like this pattern 00:11:308 (11308|0,11358|1,11408|2,11458|3,11508|1,11558|0,11608|3,11658|2,11708|1,11758|0) - Not quite sure why, I'll consider it tho
01:02:183 - why 2 note? since mostly in here should be 1 note There's offbeat snares here, hard to catch but it makes a more interesting pattern as well as follows the music.
01:06:308 - add a note here, i think it has same emphasize like 3 note do get The kicks are 2, the snares are 3. changing this here would make the map inconsistent imo
01:14:258 - 2?? All patterns in this part only 1 note so just make it 1 Whoops, fixed
01:06:608 - this should be 2, consider compare it with ^ which get less emphasize than ^ same reasoning as before
01:27:983 - untill 01:46:958 - why the pattern change?? it doesn't look like other reff pattern which has more fulfill with notes like notes before the 2 notes which has no space, but here already got spaces Before this section there's snares to fill the spaces, here there aren't so the pattern changes.
01:32:183 - i think it should be 1 note since mostly in here should be 1 note mentioned before
02:44:108 (164108|0,164158|1,164208|2,164258|3,164308|2,164358|1,164408|0,164458|1,164508|2,164558|3,164608|2,164658|1) - At this stream patterns, i can't really guess where this pattern that i point out will come from, whether when the song start to like this or not , so i think this kind of pattern are unable to be guess when it comes out, which is make this pattern feel inconsistent I get what you're saying, but it's more just a pattern for the last 2 beats of this part, so it kind of emphasizes the peaking of the piano trill thing going on.
03:07:058 - Suggest to make these kind of pattern so that these sounds that come from the song don't get ignored, please apply these to all part that same like this, another example 03:06:008 - but don't apply it at chords part I feel like it would kind of be out of place, here I'm moreso emphasizing the drums over the synth

Continue later Sorry can't mod much

Janko wrote:

Next mod

HD

00:15:158 - I propose this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7882136 I've got a pattern going on here, through this section. changing it would go agianst this, so i'll hold off for now.
00:19:358 (19358|0,19508|1) - maybe 2 1 alright, i'll change this one just for playability. good idea
00:30:008 (30008|0,30158|1) - move one column to the right sure
00:38:258 (38258|0) - move to column 3 moved some other stuff around as well
01:00:308 (60308|1) - ^ got it
01:35:708 (95708|0) - to column 2 ok
02:01:058 - I'm not sure but https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7882199 took a bit of liberty with that change but still looks better, ty
02:44:558 (164558|0,164708|1) - columns 2 and 1 ok
02:57:458 (177458|2,177608|3) - move one column to the left alrighty, changed some other things as well
03:01:058 (181058|0) - move to column 3 (This part probably was earlier) yeah, i changed it elsewhere at some points but not here really
03:25:508 (205508|1) - move to column 3 yup

Nice mapset

snoverpk wrote:

irc

2017-04-23 09:58 Curiossity: hey snover, are you busy at the moment?
2017-04-23 09:58 snoverpk: no
2017-04-23 09:58 Curiossity: would you mind testplaying a map for me?
2017-04-23 09:58 snoverpk: ok
2017-04-23 09:58 Curiossity: thanks
2017-04-23 09:58 Curiossity: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1158471 F-777 - Airborne Robots]
2017-04-23 10:04 snoverpk: i was not expecting that
2017-04-23 10:04 Curiossity: which part
2017-04-23 10:04 snoverpk: i mean this map
2017-04-23 10:04 Curiossity: oh
2017-04-23 10:05 snoverpk: this is like top notch quality compared to the shit i usually get for playtesting
2017-04-23 10:05 Curiossity: thanks!
2017-04-23 10:05 Curiossity: do you think the jackhammers were a bit much?
2017-04-23 10:06 snoverpk: no they were completely fine i'm looking through the map now
2017-04-23 10:06 snoverpk: i couldn't actually tell if the patterns were bad or if i was not focusing because i'm not warmed up
2017-04-23 10:06 Curiossity: alright
2017-04-23 10:06 snoverpk: 01:56:708 - this sv is way too sudden
2017-04-23 10:07 Curiossity: yeah, the slowjam
2017-04-23 10:07 Curiossity: i might make it transition a bit better
2017-04-23 10:08 snoverpk: i'm not really fond of the pp jumptrills but i guess they're justified
2017-04-23 10:10 snoverpk: also
2017-04-23 10:10 snoverpk: 00:18:908 - something about this part of the stream
2017-04-23 10:10 snoverpk: not sure how to explain it
2017-04-23 10:10 snoverpk: should have more 2h trilly kinda patterns
2017-04-23 10:10 snoverpk: to prepare for this 00:19:408 (19408|2,19508|2,19508|3) -
2017-04-23 10:11 Curiossity: okay, i think i understand
2017-04-23 10:11 snoverpk: it's kinda like a jack so that transition between 1h trill patterns and wrist patterns is kind afast
2017-04-23 10:12 snoverpk: also i think if you do that you should also flip this around
2017-04-23 10:12 snoverpk: 00:19:458 (19458|0,19508|1) -
2017-04-23 10:12 snoverpk: should do the same for the other stream too
2017-04-23 10:13 Curiossity: dt lol
2017-04-23 10:13 Curiossity: but ok
2017-04-23 10:14 snoverpk: was just checking if it's playable on dt
2017-04-23 10:14 Curiossity: what exactly do you mean by 2h trilly patterns
2017-04-23 10:14 snoverpk: that's difficult to explain
2017-04-23 10:15 snoverpk: patterns that can be hit with your wrists
2017-04-23 10:15 snoverpk: i think i need to give you an example though
2017-04-23 10:16 snoverpk: ok so for example
2017-04-23 10:16 snoverpk: imagine a slow split jumptrill
2017-04-23 10:16 snoverpk: or splitroll more like
2017-04-23 10:16 snoverpk: so something like 1 4 2 3 1 4 2 3
2017-04-23 10:16 Curiossity: ok
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: you could hit that by just trilling them
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: or you could uhh
2017-04-23 10:17 Curiossity: sure
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: how do i explain it
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: hit it with your wrists like a jumptrill
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: except without hitting both buttons at the same time you're only hitting one of them
2017-04-23 10:17 Curiossity: right
2017-04-23 10:17 snoverpk: wait i know how to give an example for this
2017-04-23 10:19 snoverpk: http://puu.sh/vtleI/f42337892e.png
2017-04-23 10:19 snoverpk: something like this basically
2017-04-23 10:19 Curiossity: ok, got it
2017-04-23 10:19 snoverpk: you're just alternating fingers while doing the same movement as a jumptrill
2017-04-23 10:19 Curiossity: yep
2017-04-23 10:19 Curiossity: so is that what should be in the map?
2017-04-23 10:20 snoverpk: probably
2017-04-23 10:20 snoverpk: something like that
2017-04-23 10:20 snoverpk: but it still needs to look neat
2017-04-23 10:20 Curiossity: cause, it has this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7900549
2017-04-23 10:21 snoverpk: that's too short for transitioning
2017-04-23 10:21 Curiossity: oh, ok
2017-04-23 10:21 snoverpk: short enough that i didn't notice it
2017-04-23 10:21 Curiossity: fair enough
2017-04-23 10:23 snoverpk: usually i would advise against anchors but this is a rare occasion where anchors would actually make the map better
2017-04-23 10:23 snoverpk: who would've thought
2017-04-23 10:24 Curiossity: are you thinking 1/3 anchors?
2017-04-23 10:24 snoverpk: yes
2017-04-23 10:25 snoverpk: on middle columns
2017-04-23 10:25 snoverpk: and i mean very specifically on the middle columns
2017-04-23 10:25 snoverpk: i think it would solve the problem
2017-04-23 10:28 Curiossity: how long of an anchor are we talking
2017-04-23 10:28 snoverpk: idk consult my dreamscape map for advice
2017-04-23 10:28 snoverpk: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/971488 009 Sound System - Dreamscape]
2017-04-23 10:33 Curiossity: how's this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7900614
2017-04-23 10:34 Curiossity: not anchor-y enough?
2017-04-23 10:34 Curiossity: i couldn't really find a place for a true anchor without kind of disrupting the flow of the map, but maybe i'm not on the right page
2017-04-23 10:35 snoverpk: i mean it's okay but kinda comes from nowhere considering the rest of the map
2017-04-23 10:35 Curiossity: hm
2017-04-23 10:37 Curiossity: and yet the live version doesn't have enough transition
2017-04-23 10:38 snoverpk: i'll try something quickly
2017-04-23 10:50 snoverpk: took me forever but i think i figured something out
2017-04-23 10:51 snoverpk: i think you might need someone like shoegazer to polish this while still keeping that transition clean
2017-04-23 10:51 snoverpk: if it needs polish*
2017-04-23 10:51 Curiossity: alright,
2017-04-23 11:00 snoverpk: http://puu.sh/vtmv4/6ccb5ac30b.osu
2017-04-23 11:00 snoverpk: try this
2017-04-23 11:00 snoverpk: i edited both streams a bit
2017-04-23 11:02 Curiossity: alright, so veering away from that 2h trilly type pattern
2017-04-23 11:02 Curiossity: looks good though
2017-04-23 11:03 snoverpk: it's an easier transition basically
2017-04-23 11:03 snoverpk: still doesn't look right to me when i'm playing it even though it feels nice to play
2017-04-23 11:03 snoverpk: doesn't look polished more like
2017-04-23 11:03 snoverpk: maybe it's just me though
2017-04-23 11:03 Curiossity: well, as long as it feels nice to play
2017-04-23 11:03 Curiossity: i'll probably use this, is that ok?
2017-04-23 11:04 snoverpk: i mean that's why i made it
2017-04-23 11:04 Curiossity: cool

free kd

Kawawa wrote:

Hello!
I'm so sorry I decided to deny the bubble.
I really don't agree the map with some reason.
The reason is the one which whole structure are just copy-pasted.
It reminds me https://osu.ppy.sh/s/572415

[Between HD and MX]
00:19:508 - to 00:29:108 - https://puu.sh/xnGO4/9cbf707601.jpg
01:47:108 - to 01:56:708 - http://puu.sh/xnGUw/4e28551f10.jpg i think these should be okay, as they're mainly for cooldown.
02:25:508 - to 02:33:908 - I think the structure is really weird, there is no different from NM in general. NM to HD. but big gap at HD to MX. yeah the difference here is too big, you're right. I added in notes on HD for the kick/snares so it's a bit more dense than NM, hopefully that should be enough.

[Between MX and SC]
00:00:308 - to 00:09:908 - http://puu.sh/xnH7u/cade371919.jpg ok, moved the last two parts around a bit
00:19:508 - to 00:47:108 - 30 sec nearly copy-pasted. below ▽ fixed, sc much more difficult now with single notes every 1/2 beat
https://puu.sh/xnHbe/9bd5e1b8d1.jpg http://puu.sh/xnHbr/4db1d869f6.jpg
01:07:508 - to 01:17:108 - http://puu.sh/xnHfR/8a68e92305.jpg nerfed triples in mx and made different patterns in sc
01:25:508 - to 02:25:508 - rip, for 1min. below ▽ sc now has some broken streams, which should separate the two diffs here
https://puu.sh/xnHkb/29eafeb5dc.jpg https://puu.sh/xnHkP/4c43a723dc.jpg
02:44:708 - to 03:12:308 - 30sec again. https://puu.sh/xnHok/8e70db829d.jpg fixed similarily to above
03:32:708 - to 03:42:308 - okay. https://puu.sh/xnHqH/108f8775a3.jpg changed
03:50:708 - to 04:25:508 - okay. https://puu.sh/xnHt8/0f1408e3a2.jpg changed
Total 3min nearly. It means that there is no difference between the two difficulties.
why It should be existed as two? that's my thinking.
mainly it was because of some concerns that mx and hd were too far apart, so i decided to make another mx that was slightly easier... thus why most of the map was the same... ;w; after changing the map up even more now, hopefully the spread makes a bit more sense and mx and sc are different enough.

[Between SC and SHD]
It did not repeated, but mostly it looks similart sturcture on main part.
03:41:895 (221895|0) - SC used it as 1/8th start LN, why SHD is more easier?
http://puu.sh/xnHLh/bcd4fb08ca.jpg
I know that the SHD has separated the previous part of the LN as three parts,
https://puu.sh/xnHP9/000297f605.jpg but 1/8 Start LN is more tricky than this.
yeah, having it start late is a bit tough to acc, isn't it. I changed it so neither of them start 1/8 late.

[Between SHD and AIRBORNE]
00:00:308 - to 00:09:908 - https://puu.sh/xnHTZ/e2a4a336da.jpg I made shd a bit easier by splitting up some of the columns.

00:38:708 - to 00:45:908 - SHD, AIRBORNE difficulty should be buffed here. It is a start part of the highlights.
If you have a consistent note density in the previous part, It thinks that the expression of the feeling of the song is not appropriate.
It can be described logically though note density graph.
HD Being higher https://puu.sh/xnI2R/2ebe675fef.jpg
MX and SC too http://puu.sh/xnI44/8aa514a527.png
SHD and AIRBORNE becomes down there https://puu.sh/xnI4Y/cbcc9a3049.png alrighty, I'll probably end up making the snare hits triples instead of doubles.

03:03:908 - Same reason with above 00:38:708 - yea

01:07:508 - to 01:15:608 - meh, there is no different much. http://puu.sh/xnIau/cfd88f5e1c.jpg
01:25:508 - to 01:27:908 - There is no way to make it various, but I just pointed it out.
https://puu.sh/xnIdu/f8417edf5d.jpg (here was not 03:50:708 - )
01:56:708 - to 02:06:308 - http://puu.sh/xnIjl/cef9af4f5a.jpg except one jack. for this part, I made the pattern more LN focused in AIRBORNE.
02:14:708 - to 02:15:908 - you can make buff on the last difficulty. like 04:01:508 - to 04:02:708 - ok, I did end up buffing this. good idea
02:24:308 - to 02:25:508 - Same with above. why you just try to change the pattern only. also changed, made airborne denser
03:32:408 - to 03:42:308 - There is no different much. I realized you just copy-pasted and changed a little. http://puu.sh/xnIwi/4d2dcdad80.jpg
For a few of these points, I'm not sure if I really need to change these. I wouldn't be changing how the charts play that much, and the difference between SHD and AIRBORNE is already great enough, especially with the changes I did make, that slightly changing the patterns probably wouldn't do much in terms of making the spread better.

I actually don't think there is a reason to persuade me here.
I judged it as copy-paste than concept of the chart or solid structure.
What is important? Just one thing that the difficulties abusing that to each other.
I have considered a few more things, but I really could not accept it.

juankristal wrote:

shoot, the MX and SC things needs to be fixed for sure.

Call me once you have time, although the ways to fix them should be easy. The HD / MX one are imo reasonable as there are just two sections that are cooldown sections and spread wise makes sense to have them similar (or in this case identical).

For the MX-SC:

00:05:108 - Here 1-3-1-3 anm 00:07:508 - here 2-4-2-4 for example (on the MX) oki, good idea

00:19:508 - On the SC, probably add notes there for the background sound but not as jacks (better for spread actually) also a good idea, applied

00:29:258 (29258|2,29858|1,30458|0,31058|1,31508|0,31658|3,32258|2,32708|0,32858|3,33458|0) - 00:34:658 (34658|1) - Delete this ones on MX and maybe rearrange it a bit (and so on with the rest of this one) I didn't actually do this, as I like the pattern and it fits with MX imo. After adding notes to SC the difference should be enough.

00:38:708 - Rearrange this stream on MX or even make it harder on SC. Made it with jacks for SC

The same applies to some of the others, for the last ones just rearrange some stuff and should work. Maybe nerf some triples.

Thats pmuch the big one, the rest I am psure you can fix them with Kawawa. Sorry for it !

Icebolt wrote:

idk anything about mania, but you really should remove geometry dash meltdown from source. (i looked through and i dont think this was mentioned)
this is the full song (4 minutes), from the album itself, while meltdown has a cut version thats tv size length.
this song was also put in meltdown after ludicrous speed was released.

so therefore it is best you leave source blank and put geometry dash meltdown in the tags