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UNDEAD CORPORATION - Bloodthirsty Nightmare Lul...

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TheWaterBottle
30 posts
Joined May 2014
TheWaterBottle

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Gotta go to work soon so Ill reply when I get home. But I actually agree with you. The map isnt as good as before.

Osu mapping/modding has really really pissed me off these days, its a constant string of someone asking for something to be changed, and then others complaining at said changes.

Trying to accommodate for everyones personal opinions that all clash is impossible. I myself dont even like 90% of the changes that Ive been somewhat forced to make just to try and rank this.

Anyways placeholder
One of the best post i've ever seen!

GL!
ignorance
49 posts
Joined July 2014
ignorance

Mindwaves wrote:

It seems this map is gonna be critized a lot in the next few day... and i can understand why.

It's because,
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand UNDEAD CORPORATION - Bloodthirsty Nightmare Lullaby / The Em. The mapping is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the circles will go over a typical player cursor. There’s also EphemeralFetish nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from pishifat video , for instance. The PP-farmer understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these slider, to realise that they’re not just hard to hit- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike This mapset truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the genius in EphemeralFetish existential catchphrase “this is just my vision, No kudosu” which itself is a cryptic reference to the Beatmap Nominator circlejerk. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dean herbert genius wit unfolds itself on their Computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Osu! tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the lolis eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 PP points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel 6 digit player. 😎
"solid grasp of theoretical physics" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mir
osu! Alumni
2,151 posts
Joined July 2016
Mir
activity (~o.o)~
00:37 EphemeralFetish: Yo, do you have a couple mins for a quick opinion on a bubbled map?
00:39 Mir: i guess
00:40 EphemeralFetish: Its a bit of a longshot, but Im more so just looking for BN opinions now
00:40 *EphemeralFetish is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1098023 UNDEAD CORPORATION - Bloodthirsty Nightmare Lullaby / The Empress]
00:48 Mir: i can barely judge thisw
00:49 Mir: but the feeling i get from ingame is
00:49 Mir: there's a lack of cohesion with the jump
00:49 Mir: jumps* in general
00:49 Mir: though that can largely be chalked up to bp
00:49 EphemeralFetish: Yeah
00:49 Mir: fucking
00:49 Mir: keyboard
00:49 Mir: jesus fucking christ
00:49 Mir: bpm*
00:49 EphemeralFetish: Song is messy as all hell
00:50 EphemeralFetish: So its just constantly different or somewhat weird at random times
00:50 Mir: idk it also felt like the flow into a lot of streams was uncomfortable as hell
00:50 EphemeralFetish: Any examples?
00:51 Mir: 07:01:236 (9,10,1) -
00:51 EphemeralFetish: Hmm
00:51 EphemeralFetish: Never thought something like that could be uncomfortable
00:51 Mir: 05:11:902 (9,10,1) - these kinds played fairly well
00:52 Mir: but with that one you move into 9
00:52 Mir: move again into 10
00:52 Mir: then stop and have to start momentum from moving to 1
00:52 EphemeralFetish: tbh they look the same to me
00:52 Mir: so it's exponentially harder to hit that spacing
00:52 EphemeralFetish: Ohh wait
00:52 Mir: no look at where the stream is going
00:52 EphemeralFetish: You mean how the slider points into the next one?
00:53 Mir: the movement im talking about is here https://i.imgur.com/bsmTHbM.jpg
00:53 EphemeralFetish: Damn
00:53 Mir: as opposed to earlier https://i.imgur.com/3YnqLHT.jpg
00:54 EphemeralFetish: I figured from 10 to 1 would just be the same as 9 to 10
00:54 EphemeralFetish: Since you can just hold on the heads
00:54 Mir: tbh i tried that
00:54 Mir: and mostly sliderbroke
00:55 EphemeralFetish: Fair enough
00:55 Mir: but if you just compare the movement of 07:01:236 (9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - and 05:11:902 (9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - its clear which is easier
00:55 EphemeralFetish: Something to look into then
00:55 EphemeralFetish: Yeah I see it now
00:55 Mir: another thing i noticed but is kinda characteristic of stream-heavy maps is inconsistency in emphasis
00:56 Mir: the most noticeable one was 05:18:124 (9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
00:56 Mir: the angle change on 05:18:236 (11,12,1,2) - and 05:18:513 (4,1,2,3) - are exactly the same
00:56 Mir: but05:18:513 (4,1,2,3) - is way stronger +vocal +downbeat +finish
00:56 EphemeralFetish: 05:18:347 (1) - Was too add power to the snare roll
00:56 EphemeralFetish: 05:18:569 (1) - was for the jump back into vocals
00:56 Mir: i barely hear the snares xD
00:57 EphemeralFetish: Probs my super loud hitsounds
00:57 Mir: in play they were inaudible to me probably cuz the song is literally just spamming drums
00:57 Mir: literally everywhere
00:57 Mir: 05:22:069 (8,1,2) - this kinda didn't even get emphasis
00:57 Mir: yet 05:22:958 (16,1,2,3,4) - did
00:58 EphemeralFetish: Thats actually a fair point because I do what you said later
00:58 EphemeralFetish: 07:03:458 (1) -
00:58 EphemeralFetish: I never noticed
00:58 EphemeralFetish: shit
00:58 Mir: yeah there were a couple of instances of this
00:59 Mir: 07:17:624 (4,1,2,3) - like aaa
00:59 Mir: 07:18:013 (7,8,1,2,3) - then AAAAAAA
00:59 Mir: then 07:18:513 (8,1,2) - aaa
00:59 Mir: but then 07:18:902 (7,8,1,2) - AAAAA
00:59 Mir: and so on
00:59 EphemeralFetish: First one yeah
00:59 EphemeralFetish: Rest are fine tbh
00:59 EphemeralFetish: But damn yeah you right
00:59 Mir: 07:19:680 (1,2,3,4,5) - also this one was so lol
01:00 EphemeralFetish: Need to change those
01:00 EphemeralFetish: Difficulty curve :^)
01:00 Mir: tbh it sounded like 1/2 to me in editor
01:00 EphemeralFetish: You slow it down?
01:00 EphemeralFetish: Its defo 5
01:00 EphemeralFetish: or 1/4 I should say
01:01 Mir: all i hear is just indiscriminate growling so i honestly can't tell
01:01 Mir: sounds like 1/2 some times and 1/3 the other times i play it back
01:01 EphemeralFetish: Sounds like me when I first heard metal
01:01 Mir: tbh 1/3 on that'd be cute
01:02 Mir: another thing i noticed
01:02 Mir: that actually really bothered me
01:02 Mir: 07:22:569 (1,2) - these got vocal emphasis
01:02 Mir: 07:23:458 (9,10) - these did the exact same thing
01:02 Mir: but the player plays the same thing
01:02 Mir: the only difference being an nc
01:03 Mir: tbh it felt really uncomfortable to play not even cuz of like.. how it's arranged or anything, just the things those follow sometimes aren't clear enough
01:03 EphemeralFetish: Dude
01:03 EphemeralFetish: Ive had to explain this
01:03 EphemeralFetish: A million times
01:03 EphemeralFetish: And its so long everytime
01:03 EphemeralFetish: Im giving up on life
01:04 Mir: aaa
01:04 EphemeralFetish: Honestly I think I should just remove the second set of repeats each time it comes around to avoid it
01:05 Mir: the issue is 07:23:458 (9) -
01:05 Mir: it lands on a vocal exactly like 07:22:569 (1) - does
01:05 Mir: so i think "oh vocals" but there's none on 07:23:680 (10) -
01:05 EphemeralFetish: 07:22:569 (1) - Yeah these only make sense since the vocals are actually 1/1 there
01:06 EphemeralFetish: The second sets are just stamina buffers soo it isnt stupidly hard to stream for that long
01:06 EphemeralFetish: Thats basically the cut version of why I did it
01:06 Mir: you say that then throw in a 70+ note stream (i didnt count) xD
01:06 EphemeralFetish: The one at the end?
01:06 EphemeralFetish: Its like 120
01:06 EphemeralFetish: So yeah, maybe I should just remove the second sets
01:07 Mir: it'd make a lot more sense to me personally
01:08 EphemeralFetish: Always spooks me when I actually have to buff shit in this
01:08 EphemeralFetish: It was only 8.7 when it was first qualified ages ago
01:08 EphemeralFetish: Then all the mods made it like this
01:08 Mir: mods
01:08 Mir: i like and hate them
01:09 EphemeralFetish: Bunch of BN's wanted bigger streams and the solo to have bigger jumps
01:09 EphemeralFetish: Like come on its hard enough
01:10 Mir: lol the fuck
01:10 Mir: well anyways that's my thoughts on it
01:10 Mir: i've been following the thread vaguely though it's an interesting read
01:12 EphemeralFetish: The pages after it first got qualified are pretty spicy
01:12 EphemeralFetish: Thanks for your time though, you actually made some fair points I need to fix
01:13 Mir: any time~
01:13 EphemeralFetish: Can post something if you want kds
01:13 Mir: sure
01:14 Mir: need activity tbh
idke
Former osu! Champion: 2019
107 posts
Joined July 2014
idke
are you still going for rank or gonna remap a bunch again cus of the mods
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

idke wrote:

are you still going for rank or gonna remap a bunch again cus of the mods
Always gonna go for rank. Thats why Im asking people like Mir for input so I can fix some of the stuff thats been broken from all the other modding and changes.

As long as there are BN's out there who are interested Ill keep trying.
Kilabarus
999 posts
Joined May 2015
Kilabarus
Can't Rank If You Don't Fight
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish
A bit slow but fixed all the stuff I talked about with Mir.
[Nemesis]
[Nemesis]
Just some general concerns about the buildup to the chorus.
03:33:902 - I don't really think that this beat is worth ignoring.The sound is literally the same as 03:34:569 (2) -, listen to them at a 50% playback rate.
03:38:125 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe a little curve to emphasize the change in rhythm? Throughout the entirety of this stream, you've chosen to change the flow a little bit whenever a new sound comes in, except for this one. Why? How is that sound 03:38:291 (4,5) - less important than the rest? You've made it look like there was no change in music whatsoever, just like in 03:39:180 (4,5) -, where the sound you're emphasizing in the entire section isn't present. On the other hand, 03:39:625 (4,5) - this change in flow is too sudden and unexpected compared to the rest of your patterns in that section.
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

[Nemesis] wrote:

Just some general concerns about the buildup to the chorus.
03:33:902 - I don't really think that this beat is worth ignoring.The sound is literally the same as 03:34:569 (2) -, listen to them at a 50% playback rate. - There isnt a beat there.
03:38:125 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe a little curve to emphasize the change in rhythm? Throughout the entirety of this stream, you've chosen to change the flow a little bit whenever a new sound comes in, except for this one. Why? How is that sound 03:38:291 (4,5) - less important than the rest? You've made it look like there was no change in music whatsoever, just like in 03:39:180 (4,5) -, where the sound you're emphasizing in the entire section isn't present. On the other hand, 03:39:625 (4,5) - this change in flow is too sudden and unexpected compared to the rest of your patterns in that section. - Straight stream to start off with because the drums are so quiet. Sharp angle at the end for when the reach their peak and to match the high tone of the strings.
[Nemesis]
[Nemesis]
How is there not a beat? Listen closely.
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

[Nemesis] wrote:

How is there not a beat? Listen closely.
I did, there isnt one.
Dendy
Dendy
There is actually, on maximum music volume OMEGALUL
Osuology
528 posts
Joined February 2014
Osuology
That beat is pretty much a ghost note, imo can pass it. It does exist but it's like the lowest a note could possibly be, would be overmapping imo.
OoFortisoO
1 post
Joined July 2015
OoFortisoO
it's over?
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

OoFortisoO wrote:

it's over?
Working on some other stuff for now. Will be back.
Kuruby
39 posts
Joined June 2015
Kuruby
ＮＥＶＥＲ ＧＩＶＥ ＵＰ
Cubzy
148 posts
Joined January 2014
Cubzy
I believe
Dendy
Dendy
it's over.
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish
yolo gonna remap
T3rza
42 posts
Joined February 2017
T3rza
Can you upload the old map before all the modding changes and what not?
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

Tr3sLeches wrote:

Can you upload the old map before all the modding changes and what not?
Sadly I dont have the very first version anymore. Unless someone else does. But if you mean the current diff, I wont be removing it when the remap is done.
The Emperor
283 posts
Joined September 2014
The Emperor

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Tr3sLeches wrote:

Can you upload the old map before all the modding changes and what not?
Sadly I dont have the very first version anymore. Unless someone else does. But if you mean the current diff, I wont be removing it when the remap is done.
Does that mean it's not going for rank?
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish
Its gonna be for rank. Ill just have the old diff around till I get to the point of ranking (Thats if I can even get it to that point)
Kaifin
745 posts
Joined April 2013
Kaifin
hey we wanna put this up for loved vote, i see you are remapping currently

you're free to add the new difficulty to the same set/make a new set while keeping the old diff loved iirc
EphemeralFetish
472 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
EphemeralFetish

Kaifin wrote:

hey we wanna put this up for loved vote, i see you are remapping currently

you're free to add the new difficulty to the same set/make a new set while keeping the old diff loved iirc
Ahh. Thats pretty nice actually. Its gonna take me a while to finish the remap so having it loved would work out nice till Im done.
SilverCatalyst
173 posts
Joined May 2016
SilverCatalyst
woah holy fuck i was surprised to see this
i hope this at least gets loved, and maybe some day the remap will get ranked :)
1601
26 posts
Joined September 2016
1601
Maybe need cs 3 ?
i think cs 3 not bad :o
Weber
1,254 posts
Joined May 2015
Weber

FlashPoint wrote:

Maybe need cs 3 ?
i think cs 3 not bad :o
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