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Cascada - Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)

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Kaifin
745 posts
Joined April 2013
Kaifin
any conscious player will tell you that the sliders in the opening are fine, the target audience of this map is obviously higher than the star rating (as stated in the first reply) so don't let the SR influence your opinion on whether or not things are okay in the map

what is your suggestion for a fixed rhythm that follows the vocals? the vocal clearly does not begin on the white tick if you listen on 25% so either the timing is off (which i doubt it is) or it's snapped to the 1/8th tick. i can't abandon following the vocals because i'm following them the whole kiai, and i think that snapping it to the blue tick isn't even additive mapping or an overmap or ignoring the rhythm of the song, it's expressing the song in an easier to play and understand way

as for the diff name, that's not a big deal to change lol it's just a pun :( i said that i would capitalize the I in Insane, i'm not trying to be _edgy_ i just wanted to make a play on words zzz
Natsu
8,074 posts
Joined September 2012
Natsu

Kaifin wrote:

any conscious player will tell you that the sliders in the opening are fine, the target audience of this map is obviously higher than the star rating (as stated in the first reply) so don't let the SR influence your opinion on whether or not things are okay in the map by saying this, then you alone are saying that these kind of patterns doesn't fit the spread of the mapset, you can get more opinions from QATs to backup your point if you want, I already have opinions from some nominators and QATs who disagree with this, you are overlaping the slider body of each slider and the only we can see when playing is a tiny portion of the tail of the next one, it's that a circle?
00:08:170 (1,2,3,4) - this ones are fine, since they aren't stacked directly on each other, but 00:01:921 (1,2,3,4) - are not, I'm judging by the spread of the map and the readability of it, not by the sr.

what is your suggestion for a fixed rhythm that follows the vocals? the vocal clearly does not begin on the white tick if you listen on 25% so either the timing is off (which i doubt it is) or it's snapped to the 1/8th tick. i can't abandon following the vocals because i'm following them the whole kiai, and i think that snapping it to the blue tick isn't even additive mapping or an overmap or ignoring the rhythm of the song, it's expressing the song in an easier to play and understand way I'll make a detailed points

as for the diff name, that's not a big deal to change lol it's just a pun :( i said that i would capitalize the I in Insane, i'm not trying to be _edgy_ i just wanted to make a play on words zzz I'm not moving the map forward with that kind of diff name, for the reasons I explained before and the opinions I got from QATs and nominators
  1. Under your logic of mapping the breath instead of the actual word, this 00:39:416 (2) - shouldn't start at the white tick neither lol, anyways my suggestions:
  2. 00:39:709 (3) - as you state before the vocal isn't starting at the bluetick, but after it in 1/8, your excuse is simplification, but the white tick also work as a simplification and tbh the bluetick is empty, while the white tick has a strong sound on it, also if you listen the song at 100% the vocal makes a lot more sense in the white tick than in the empty blue one.
  3. 00:40:002 (1) - why the NC, there are no SV changes and isn't neither a stanza. This happens a lot, I understand the ones at the SV changes, but the ones withot SV are not necessary, also they are inconsistent 01:42:495 (4) - vs 00:40:002 (1) -
  4. 00:40:783 (1,2) - skipping the white ticks which have a strong sounds to extend the slider at the blue tick isn't a smart idea, I get you want to follow the vocal sound, but playing these sliders over strong sounds is super weird, mostly when nightcore songs are based on these kind of sounds.
  5. 00:41:565 (1) - why are some vocals mapped with a 1/4 slider while others don't 00:42:346 (4) - the hold in the vocal is basically the same
  6. 00:45:470 (1) - a 1/2 slider and a circle would fit the vocals better, since you are mapping each vocal as an active beat.
  7. 00:52:208 (2) - exactly the same as 00:39:709 (3) -
  8. 00:56:407 (1,2,3) - the vocals actually ends before the blueticks, makes more sense to snap the slider tails to the strong sounds at the white ticks than extend them to the non importants blue ticks, oh btw you are following vocals no? 00:57:188 (3) - why the slider is ignoring the vocal at the white tick?
  9. 00:57:969 (1) - I think a 1/2 slider and a circle would work better, since the vocals are click'ables no?
  10. 01:18:865 (1) - 01:22:380 (1) - etc, if you are following vocals why isn't the vocal click'able? I like the current' rhythm, just your following vocals excuse gets inconsistent, I mean you're mapping at nothing before with the vocal excuse, but here you're ignoring the vocals.
  11. 01:42:202 (3) - exactly the same as 00:39:709 (3) -,
  12. 01:54:701 (2) - same as above
  13. more inconsistent NCs 01:43:276 (1,1) - vs 00:40:783 (1,2) -
  14. 00:42:932 (1,2) - vs 01:45:424 (2,3) -
  15. 01:47:572 (1) - 00:45:080 (4) -
  16. 01:54:993 (3) - 00:52:501 (1) -
  17. 00:53:087 (1) - 01:55:579 (2) -
  18. 00:55:430 (1) - 01:57:923 (2) -
  19. 00:57:578 (4) - 02:00:070 (1) -
  20. 00:58:555 (1) - 02:01:047 (2) -
  21. 01:59:680 (3) - why are you ignoring the vocal at the white tick?
Kaifin
745 posts
Joined April 2013
Kaifin
i addressed all points in mod + i agreed about the bolded reasons after talking it over in irc

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20:21 Natsu: the kiai rhythms are 4 places only and the NCs being different at each kiai don't take more than 10 mins to be fixed
20:21 Natsu: about the overlaps i can let them pass tho
20:23 Kaifin: there are a lot more suggestions than just that
20:24 Natsu: they are mostly NCs
20:24 Natsu: tbh are just ncs that u used at 1 kiai and u didnt used at the second one
20:26 Kaifin: i can fix the ncs
20:26 Kaifin: but i have no clue how to fix patterns like00:51:915 (1,2) -
20:26 Kaifin: 00:40:783 - stuff like this skipping the white ticks i think is okay because people aren't listening to the 1/1 drum beat thats going through the whole song, the vocals are much more emphasized
20:28 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8002744
20:28 Kaifin: 00:57:188 (3) - this slider is not ignoring the vocal, i think that having 00:57:188 (3,4) - instead of extending the slider gives the vocal more emphasis, plus plays way better as a pattern of 00:57:188 (3,4,5) -
20:29 Kaifin: 00:57:969 (1) - this sounds more held to me than clickable sounding but that is just me
20:29 Kaifin: and for the not following vocals outside the kiai
20:30 Kaifin: i follow drums during the verse sections consistently
20:30 Kaifin: i can do that rhythm you suggested for the 4 patterns
20:30 Natsu: if you make the NCs consistent (at your way at both kiais) and u fix the 00:39:709 (3) - 00:52:208 (2) - 01:42:202 (3) - 01:54:701 (2) -
20:30 Natsu: i'd be fine with this
20:30 Kaifin: and if you really want i can make the sliders slightly stacked
20:30 Kaifin: so that its clearer
20:30 Kaifin: i just think its way cooler the way it is
20:31 Natsu: I also think is cool
20:32 Natsu: but mmm there were many people complaining at bn chat
20:32 Natsu: if you want we can try to keep it like that
20:32 Kaifin: i'd rather not get the map dq'd
20:33 Kaifin: i know people who would try and dq the map because of it so i might as well change
20:33 Kaifin: its small change anyways
20:34 Natsu: mmm tbh
20:34 Natsu: my point of questioning u much
20:34 Natsu: is that u gave me all your reasons in thread so people don't complain about these things later
20:36 Kaifin: it has been a frustrating week
20:36 Kaifin: sorry for being too apprehensive to change
20:37 Natsu: that's fine, I has been in the same situation and I actually removed my diff from the set lol
20:37 Natsu: that's why I don't want the same happen here
20:41 Kaifin: i appreciate it
20:42 Kaifin: i will fix the stuff and post the log so that the explanations are there
20:48 Kaifin: omar is afk so can i osz you the changes
20:48 Kaifin: to see if they are okay
20:49 Natsu: sure
20:49 Kaifin: okay i just need to finish the last 2 patterns
20:49 Natsu: i'll sleep soon tho, is 5 am in italy xDDD
20:49 Kaifin: o wow

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Natsu
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we discussed a bit more in IRC, get Ezek to rebub and call me for Qualify
VINXIS
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okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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tags conflict, check aimod pls


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Kaifin wrote:

I hope not anymore sometime soon :3
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cya o/
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WOKE
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Asphyxia
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Kaifin wrote:

30 days ago
Gero
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Hey~

General

  1. Could you add "Speed" to tags? this genre is also known as that. Add "Techno, Trance, Dance, Rave Happy Hardcore" as well, cause they're related to this kind of music.
Asphyxia's Hard

  1. 00:13:638 (1,2,3,4,5) - Even if this looks consistent regarding the spacing in the editor, it's different when you're playing it due that the Stack Leniency affects it a bit more which makes it to look messy, I think would be a lot better if you do a manual stack; Just as you did it 00:27:113 (2,3,4) - here.
  2. 00:50:255 - Could you silence the tail of this one? It sounds really loud, so I think using a 5% would be a lot better or at the least decrease it to 10%, up to you.
Kaifin's Insane

  1. 00:05:826 (3) - Unsnapped object. Don't forget to resnap them all to avoid things like this, cause it would be a problem after the Qualification.
Kaifin's Insane was an interesting difficulty. The other difficulties are fine to go.

Call me back after getting your bubble back~
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Gero wrote:

Hey~

General

Kaifin's Insane

  1. 00:05:826 (3) - Unsnapped object. Don't forget to resnap them all to avoid things like this, cause it would be a problem after the Qualification. I BLAME OMAR, please resnap them all for me
Kaifin's Insane was an interesting difficulty. The other difficulties are fine to go. thank you :D

Call me back after getting your bubble back~
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Fixed everything, thank you! I also silenced 01:52:455 (3) - for consistency.

https://puu.sh/wsChS/ae27909d09.txt
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y cant som1 else jus update my map -__________________
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is this ready again?
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yea
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why u didn't poke me .-.

reboob~
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cuz im DED
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poke
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about a month ago
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This is going to be about the Normal difficulty.
Normal difficulty mod
1)
00:37:854 (1) - Upon this point of the map, at the kiai time, as to follow up with the 4 circles right before, perhaps trying to get a larger combo count would be better, as to "fill up" the colours ; this would as well be a break through considering the
00:26:918 (1) - part where it starts with a much lower number of objects on a combo. It would mean each colour of combo is equally represented and it could really look nice, I guess.
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8886774
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8886813
2)
01:29:215 (6) - Does this circle follow the beat? I have the feel it fills up some void in the rhythm, and perhaps some kind of placement like this : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8886774 could introduce to the variation with reverse arrow, and it seems to add emphasis over this vibration part, right before a kiai time so an important part of the song, where the rhythm fondamentally changes. Even more, the previous beating-in-echo circle is now a reverse arrow on weak sound, which is exactly in the consistency of 01:34:097 (1,2) -

As I'm a casual player, I can only give feedback over the two first difficulties, though I kind of know some basics of standard mapping, therefore you certainly have more experience than me, I just wanted to give a little feedback from casual players ;) don't be shy to answer me, btw that map was the FIRE! So pleasant to see, nightcore + electronic :o please rank it so I can favorite it.
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~Popped~

After hearing a couple of opinions and rechecking myself, I've concluded that this set needs an advanced diff (between Normal and Hard). I still like the set though. Feel free to poke me again for rebub once that's done; sorry for the inconvenience.
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ok done

didnt do 2nd point in lolsebca's post bnecause its fine as it is currently
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wow it's alive
you should've gotten a check in the new diff before calling me back but whatevssss

[Advanced]
  1. 00:10:904 (4,5,1) - that alignment can be improved
  2. 00:13:638 (2) - perhaps extend this slider to the blue tick? the beat is pretty strong there and you shouldn't ignore it at this level imo
  3. 01:24:528 (1,2,1) - alignment
  4. 01:31:949 - I think you're missing a circle here since you put one at 01:35:074 (3) - 00:29:457 (3) - & 00:32:581 (3) -
[Normal]
  1. 00:02:507 - 00:05:631 - 00:08:756 - 00:15:005 - 00:18:130 - 00:21:254 - 01:11:249 - 01:17:498 - 01:20:622 - 01:26:481 - I suggest to add a circle in the places I've mentioned here, not only because the music/vocals supports it, but also because the sections around these spots are spamming a lot of 1/1 rhythm consecutively, which makes the map boring. Adding circles here would add more variation to the map and won't make the diff too challenging for a normal. You could just place the current patterns around those sections to any map of the same bpm and they would fit, at least adding circles to those spots could make an acceptable difference imo. Not to mention that this would improve the spread a bit.
Call me back~
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oh Tru do u still want me to Lol

CCCCcccchanged everything Lol
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lol
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OK
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Kaifin
  1. 00:08:170 (1) - Why did you decide to perfectly stack from here onwards despite not doing so earlier, it makes reading a bit z
  2. 00:28:675 (1) - imho it would be much better to delete this NC as this is the same SV as 00:26:918 (1,2,3) . This would make the whole pattern make a lot more sense as then the only NC in the pattern would be the SV change at 00:29:261 (1) making it a lot easier to recognise.
  3. 00:31:800 (1) , 01:31:168 (1) , 01:34:293 (1) - ^
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I feel the hitsounding pattern is a too simple and comes off a bit poor as a result. There are only claps on the 2nd, 4th drum beats and whistles spaced sparsely; the rhythms within the map are much denser than the hitsound pattern would suggest.
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Reason for pop

The volume of the objects is really low, for kaifin's it's 30% overall and the rest of the diffs are the same but with 40% for kiais. I can barely hear the objects and don't deem it a satisfactory level of feedback. I won't accept "you can turn up effects volume in game" as a counter argument because the song is fairly quiet in the beginning and the objects are somewhat audible there, just altering the effects volume in game would skew this further.

I believe having the volume increase to 70/80% for the louder parts of the song to be a suffice solution for the issue. Also take note if you do this make sure that the objects placed on the end of the kiais still have the same volume as the kiai , for example 01:04:413 (1)
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omar plz fix all for me owo
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i dont think simple hitsounding is poor just beacuse its simple and the rhythm isnt especially considering the most Complex the patterning gets is like quint 1/4s Lol its nto really That above in rhythm

not like adding a kick hitsound is gunna help either Lol, whistles r prety Kute,


did everything else except the first point in kaifin diff cuz offfffffff
_handholding
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my reason for the pop has been addressed. You're free to get this bubbled again ~
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aha yeah you make me feel so free
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owo

too lazy to post the log as i don't need kudosus
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uwu
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congrats!
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https://soundcloud.com/aleksander-wrait ... -nightcore

shouldn't the title be "Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore)" instead? Or you have actually reference by the creator that is Why You Had To Leave (Nightcore Mix)?
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that isnt official metadata tho + i sped up the song myself Lol

(also im pretty sure that random dude ltiaerlly took my mp3 and uploaded it to soundcloud LOL)
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Mishima Yurara wrote:

(also im pretty sure that random dude ltiaerlly took my mp3 and uploaded it to soundcloud LOL)
same tbh, the upload date is after this map's upload date + there's an osu image lol
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