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Girls' Generation - Tell Me Your Wish (Genie) [Taiko]

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Aldwych

Fantazy wrote:

hihi~~~
Inner Oni
00:31:020 (44) - d>k
00:32:483 (50,51,52,53) - kkd k
00:33:459 (54,55,56,57) - ddd k or dkd k
00:38:093 - just kd?
00:40:044 - dk
00:45:898 - kd
00:46:385 - dkd or kdk
00:47:849 - kd
00:55:410 (154) - k>d
00:55:898 (155) - k>d
00:59:312 (174) - k>d
01:04:190 (196) - k>d

01:31:507 (330) - k>d
01:34:922 (346,347,348,349) - kdd k
01:35:898 (350,351,352,353) - kkd k
01:36:873 (354,355,356,357,358) - kdddk

01:40:532 - kd
01:42:483 - dk
01:42:971 - dkd kdk kdd
01:48:093 - kkdk
01:50:044 - kdkd
01:57:849 (453,454) - k>d

02:01:507 (473,474,475) - ddk?
02:06:629 (501) - k>d

02:40:776 (23,24) - k>d
02:49:556 (73) - k>d
03:04:068 (161) - d>k
03:06:385 (175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186) - kdddkdkdkkdd
03:07:849 (187,188,189,190,191) - kkddk or kdkdk or ddkdk
03:18:580 (241,242,243,244,245) - dkkdk

03:26:873 (281) - k>d
03:27:361 (282,283,284) - k d k

All denied, some parts would have been changed without considering how the patterns are made (you may have not noticed that patterns like 01:09:800 (229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239) - are mirrored every time and you're gonna break it).

Oni , Muzu
*you can put more note for this diff (oni) ?_? and Muzu little more?_?_?_?_?
(( feel tooo easy DX

This is why an Inner Oni has been made, else -> DT since the BPM is low 8)

Fustuu
01:37:361 (189) - k>d
02:12:239 (275,276,277) - 02:16:142 (287,288,289) - d k d?
01:00:288 (90,91,92) - 02:02:727 (248,249,250) - 02:45:654 (24,25,26) - k k d

Not felt the utility

gooood luck and EXPLOSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the mod, but because you didn't give any explanation, i'm keeping with my version, i can trust only myself if it's good or bad without argues from your side.
Kin
cc, le revive

[Inner Oni]

  1. 00:40:044 (82,83,84) - since you're following the vocal, I think it should be better to have the emphasis on this note 00:40:166 (83) - instead of this one 00:40:288 (84) - . So, how about changing into dkd ? (you also used it here 01:42:483 (381,382,383) - )
  2. if you've fixed it ^ : also same thing here 00:47:849 (118,119,120) - . Since the music is also the same & you're using the same mimic.
  3. 00:54:190 (150,151,152,153,154) - I'd suggest kdkdd since your pattern was following the vocal, but I think you want to make it different from this 00:58:093 (170,171,172,173,174) -
  4. 01:01:995 (190,191,192,193,194) - I think changing this into a kkdkd or another pattern which have this note 01:02:483 (194) - as a d ; would enhance the emphasis here 01:02:727 (195) -
  5. I think, it'd be better to make those 2 notes 01:52:361 (429,430) - different. I'll make 01:52:483 (430) - more emphasized.
  6. 03:19:556 (247,248,249,250,251) - I really prefer the ddkdk pattern here instead of kdddk. You used a lot this pattern to represent this kind of vocal. (tho, i can understand you want to change some pattern to have a more unique map)

[Oni]

  1. 01:04:434 (166,167,168,169,170,171) - Maybe change it to kkddk d instead of kkd kkd ? I think it goes better with the vocal.
  2. 02:44:922 (39) - maybe delete this note ? Since you have an 1/1 break here 02:42:483 -

[Muzukashii]

  1. 01:25:654 (217) - maybe just me, but I think this one as k flow better.

[Futsuu]

  1. I've seen, you're really mapping the vocal. So, maybe don't skip this vocal ? 01:08:337 - or add a k here 01:08:093 - since you use it here : 01:11:995 (124) - 01:15:898 (136) - 01:19:800 (148) -
Bon, après, sur la Kantan, y a genre pas grand chose à dire. C'est une kantan quoi.
jtm bb.
Topic Starter
Aldwych

Kin wrote:

cc, le revive

[Inner Oni]

  1. 00:40:044 (82,83,84) - since you're following the vocal, I think it should be better to have the emphasis on this note 00:40:166 (83) - instead of this one 00:40:288 (84) - . So, how about changing into dkd ? (you also used it here 01:42:483 (381,382,383) - )
  2. if you've fixed it ^ : also same thing here 00:47:849 (118,119,120) - . Since the music is also the same & you're using the same mimic. Agreed, but also the next triple (as you may see, i use twice similar triples on these sections).
  3. 00:54:190 (150,151,152,153,154) - I'd suggest kdkdd since your pattern was following the vocal, but I think you want to make it different from this 00:58:093 (170,171,172,173,174) - It's ok
  4. 01:01:995 (190,191,192,193,194) - I think changing this into a kkdkd or another pattern which have this note 01:02:483 (194) - as a d ; would enhance the emphasis here 01:02:727 (195) - Totally agreed
  5. I think, it'd be better to make those 2 notes 01:52:361 (429,430) - different. I'll make 01:52:483 (430) - more emphasized. Yep, kkdkd then
  6. 03:19:556 (247,248,249,250,251) - I really prefer the ddkdk pattern here instead of kdddk. You used a lot this pattern to represent this kind of vocal. (tho, i can understand you want to change some pattern to have a more unique map)
    Nope, i'll keep the mirors patterns until the end.

[Oni]

  1. 01:04:434 (166,167,168,169,170,171) - Maybe change it to kkddk d instead of kkd kkd ? I think it goes better with the vocal. Looks better yeah
  2. 02:44:922 (39) - maybe delete this note ? Since you have an 1/1 break here 02:42:483 - Done

[Muzukashii]

  1. 01:25:654 (217) - maybe just me, but I think this one as k flow better. It shoould have been since the others are k.

[Futsuu]

  1. I've seen, you're really mapping the vocal. So, maybe don't skip this vocal ? 01:08:337 - or add a k here 01:08:093 - since you use it here : 01:11:995 (124) - 01:15:898 (136) - 01:19:800 (148) - The breaks boi : ok_hand : :100:

Bon, après, sur la Kantan, y a genre pas grand chose à dire. C'est une kantan quoi.
jtm bb.
Moi aussi jtm <3
Merci pour le mod il est top kek.
Kin
some minor change + fixed overlap on 02:36:629 -
here you go!
Surono
soon(tm)

"sasageyohhhh sasa-- salsa, dem " dem annyeonghaseyo
Topic Starter
Aldwych
:eyes:
Surono
no kd

OD2 for what in nowadays...... kantan change to OD 3 then Futsuu change to OD 3.5

* for oni, 00:28:581 - kkd k, need variation here.
* for futsuu, 00:47:361 - don this, same reason above and here I think is overdone with emphasize
* 00:33:946 - add don for kantan, see the futsuu
* 01:40:044 - no clap, don it for futsuu
* 02:32:483 - try slider for muzukashii?
* 03:29:312 - delete for muzukashii
* 02:56:629 - for kantan, try to add here notes and similar spot? since its slow bpm and futsuu has lonnngg pattern. would be challenging for babies~

dkk loverz :tank:
Topic Starter
Aldwych
xdDdD

Surono wrote:

no kd

OD2 for what in nowadays...... kantan change to OD 3 then Futsuu change to OD 3.5 OD 2 in 2k17 lulz

* for oni, 00:28:581 - kkd k, need variation here. nye i agree
* for futsuu, 00:47:361 - don this, same reason above and here I think is overdone with emphasize Dem clap in the song ' L_'
* 00:33:946 - add don for kantan, see the futsuu Only if i don 00:32:971 - here aswell ' L_'
* 01:40:044 - no clap, don it for futsuu don
* 02:32:483 - try slider for muzukashii? Why nut, but i keep 02:33:459 (440) -
* 03:29:312 - delete for muzukashii Should be weird to read.
* 02:56:629 - for kantan, try to add here notes and similar spot? since its slow bpm and futsuu has lonnngg pattern. would be challenging for babies~ Don't feel it necessary, also it should be odd having 1/2 at final part, it's like adding 1/4 on futsuu too :x

dkk loverz :tank:
Korean loli train inc!
Surono

Aldwych wrote:

Korean loli train inc!


rip animemes song or idk, ~genie for ya boiz~~


31th May is HBD of this map?!?! too early lmao
Charlotte
Congratz~~ 8-)
IamKwaN
Can someone explain me the title please? Where did you find it?
Topic Starter
Aldwych
IamKwaN
May I have something official, please?
Kurai
Girls' Generation's Official website: http://girlsgeneration.smtown.com/Disco ... 148?page=6 (some music may randomly play).
IamKwaN
So, 소원을 말해봐 is the Unicode Title and Genie is the Romanised Title?
Kurai
No, 소원을 말해봐 (Genie) is the unicode title. Romanised would be "Sowoneul malhaebwa (Genie)" but they use the direct translation "Tell Me Your Wish (Genie)" in international charts, on YouTube and everywhere else.
IamKwaN
I really doubt, according to your logic, Unicode Artist should be Girls' Generation(소녀시대) then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SwiSpudKWI
Kurai
YouTube is not a viable source. I just mentionned it to say that K-Pop producers usually translate their song titles in order to reach an international audience. Also "소녀시대" is "Girls' Generation", which would make no sense to merge together.
IamKwaN
The Youtube video I linked is official, it's from SMTown (probably an old account though).

Also, in the Japanese version Genie single, the song is named as GENIE [KOREAN VER.], I don't know where Tell Me Your Wish comes from, the song is named/translated as exactly Genie.

http://www.girls-generation.jp/CMIYC/di ... raphy.html
Kurai
"Genie" is the Japanese name of the song, the original was released as Genie [Korean Ver.] in Japan I believe for the sake of consistency.

Also: "Tell Me Your Wish (Genie)" [...] It was released on June 22, 2009 as a single from the EP. Written by Dsign Music, Fridolin Nordso Schjoldan, and Yoo Young-jin, and produced by Young-jin, the song is the group's first collaboration with Western composers and producers, which was later encouraged towards their future music.

http://dsignmusic.com/album/tell-me-your-wish-genie/
Topic Starter
Aldwych
So according to your logic, Youtube is more official than Wikipedia.

Maxus
Wikipedia isn't official though, it is a website where literally anyone can edit the information, hence why it's unofficial.
While the youtube link provided by KwaN is directly from the producer company (look at the channel, it has "verified" status in it) and cannot be edited by anyone except the official people , hence why it's official.
Kurai

Maxus wrote:

Wikipedia isn't official though, it is a website where literally anyone can edit the information, hence why it's unofficial.
While the youtube link provided by KwaN is directly from the producer company (look at the channel, it has "verified" status in it) and cannot be edited by anyone except the official people , hence why it's official.
However Wikipedia has sources and is rarely wrong. Though I agree we cannot always be 100% sure unless we dig in all the sources.

The song title on YouTube is written in a way so that everyone can easily search and find it, that is why you have Girls' Generation in roman letters and 소녀시대 in Hangul put next to one another. I wouldn't consider the YouTube video name as a reliable source.
Topic Starter
Aldwych
Also i'm curious about what would you replace on the title.

You can go in every lyric site (ex : https://colorcodedlyrics.com/2010/06/gi ... wish-genie)
And see that 소원을 말해 봐 is Tell me your wish.
Natsu
http://girlsgeneration.smtown.com/Disco ... 148?page=6 Girl Generation usually release songs like that, 소원을 말해봐 (Genie)
for get more audience from other countries, so it should be correct.

btw from where you took the translated title, It's official?
Mint

Aldwych wrote:

So according to your logic, Youtube is more official than Wikipedia.

Why shouldn't it be, may I ask? The people who uploaded that video (and therefore decided the title) are either the record label/company or artist themselves. That is in no way the case for Wikipedia.
Topic Starter
Aldwych
@Natsu, you can find it on every translated lyrics site, google translate, osu Genie map ranked, my Korean teacher back in the days. Tho' they are not """"""""""""""""""""official"""""""""""""""""""""", i don't think it's an incorrect one.

Should we call Euny/Spectator to be sure at 15641631546456456% it's correct?

Why shouldn't it be, may I ask? The people who uploaded that video (and therefore decided the title) are either the record label/company or artist themselves.
Tho we can agree on the argument, I rejoin Kurai's points on youtube searches
Natsu

Aldwych wrote:

@Natsu, you can find it on every translated lyrics site, google translate, osu Genie map ranked, my Korean teacher back in the days. Tho' they are not """"""""""""""""""""official"""""""""""""""""""""", i don't think it's an incorrect one.

Should we call Euny/Spectator to be sure at 15641631546456456% it's correct?
the title is correct, I was just wonder if the romanized way would be better? Sowoneul Malhaebwa (Genie) not sure tbh, I asked Euny already, but she also don't know.

Just call Sonnyc!
Topic Starter
Aldwych
pm'ed

I was just wonder if the romanized way would be better? Sowoneul Malhaebwa (Genie)
But what would it mean concretly, the non korean wouldn't know what does it means.

Edit : From sonnyc
IamKwaN
Then we have solved this! Thanks guys
tit
An actual taiko I liked :?: :!: :?:
qoot8123
Hello!
I found that there are some unused inherited timing points (green line) on easier diff :

kantan : 00:51:263 - ,01:23:703 - ,01:53:703 -

futsuu : 00:51:263 - ,01:23:703 - 01:53:703 -


I think you forgot to remove them after changing the sv setting. Good map btw :)
Doyak
Unused green lines are not issues, as they just do nothing and don't cause any problems. There could be very slight improvement on performance but that's not worth to DQ only to fix that.
qoot8123

Doyak wrote:

Unused green lines are not issues, as they just do nothing and don't cause any problems. There could be very slight improvement on performance but that's not worth to DQ only to fix that.
okay, thanks for your explanation!
Kurai
8-)
Topic Starter
Aldwych
Thanks for your kind words qoot! o/
Nardoxyribonucleic
Hello, I would like to point out some difficulty issues regarding pattern length and rest moments in lower difficulties.

  • [General]
  1. 02:52:849 - please consider removing this kind of kiai break for all difficulties as it looks rather unnecessary due to its extremely short length as well as the fact that the song pace keeps constant till 03:08:581 -
  • [Kantan]
  1. From 02:35:410 to 03:22:239 - patterns are densely mapped in a consecutive manner without 4/1 breaks. You may remove 02:51:995 (23) - for a longer rest in between the pattern chain.
  • [Futsuu]
  1. From 02:37:361 to 03:08:581 - patterns are densely mapped in a consecutive manner without 2/1 breaks. I would suggest deleting 02:49:556 (35,37) - for a rest in the middle of the last kiai so that beginners could make use of it to prepare for next patterns.
  2. 02:56:142 (56) - 1/2 patterns like this are too long for this level of difficulty, so I would suggest removing this note to shorten the 1/2 pattern a bit. The current note density is in fact rather close to Muzukashii, resulting in a noticeable difficulty gap with Kantan.
  3. 03:00:044 (69) - 03:03:946 (82) - 03:05:898 (89) - same as ^
  • [Muzukashii]
  1. From 00:36:385 to 01:37:361 - the shortage of rest moments exists here like Futsuu. 00:51:263 (90,92) - could be removed for a 2/1 break before the kiai starts. In this way the difficulty transition from Futsuu to Oni could also be improved.
  2. From 01:38:824 to 02:33:459 - similar to ^ , you may delete 01:53:703 (299,301) - as well.
  3. From 02:35:410 to 03:31:995 - again, 03:09:068 (131) - could be removed in order to avoid continuous mapping.
Topic Starter
Aldwych

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Hello, I would like to point out some difficulty issues regarding pattern length and rest moments in lower difficulties.

  • [General]
  1. 02:52:849 - please consider removing this kind of kiai break for all difficulties as it looks rather unnecessary due to its extremely short length as well as the fact that the song pace keeps constant till 03:08:581 - Hmmmm no, honestly it is 2 different part since the second sequence is more intense (solo taeyeon but still same "peace" ((??!?))), a reset is here for the stars which i feel needed.
  • [Kantan]
  1. From 02:35:410 to 03:22:239 - patterns are densely mapped in a consecutive manner without 4/1 breaks. You may remove 02:51:995 (23) - for a longer rest in between the pattern chain.hhmmm ye
  • [Futsuu]
  1. From 02:37:361 to 03:08:581 - patterns are densely mapped in a consecutive manner without 2/1 breaks. I would suggest deleting 02:49:556 (35,37) - for a rest in the middle of the last kiai so that beginners could make use of it to prepare for next patterns. yes and no, i made a break but not at your point since it's not the best place to be and not consitent with kantan.
  2. 02:56:142 (56) - 1/2 patterns like this are too long for this level of difficulty, so I would suggest removing this note to shorten the 1/2 pattern a bit. The current note density is in fact rather close to Muzukashii, resulting in a noticeable difficulty gap with Kantan.
  3. 03:00:044 (69) - 03:03:946 (82) - 03:05:898 (89) - same as ^ Yes for all except the last one*

    For the rest, yes and no again, i split the 6 length patterns, but used 5 length patterns instead at different place (due to taeyeon solo vocals), you may omit the fact the last part has more peace, so i consider that i have to make a harder part, so also for the sake of final solo part and consitency overall the set 03:04:678 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86) - will be kept .
  • [Muzukashii]
  1. From 00:36:385 to 01:37:361 - the shortage of rest moments exists here like Futsuu. 00:51:263 (90,92) - could be removed for a 2/1 break before the kiai starts. In this way the difficulty transition from Futsuu to Oni could also be improved.
  2. From 01:38:824 to 02:33:459 - similar to ^ , you may delete 01:53:703 (299,301) - as well. And ^ I dont find the utility, tbh what in the world 00:51:507 (91) in solo - would mean?
  3. From 02:35:410 to 03:31:995 - again, 03:09:068 (131) - could be removed in order to avoid continuous mapping.
    Really? fgezzefzefef
OnosakiHito
The concern risen by modder is valid considering the density between Kantan, Futsuu and Muzukashii. Futsuu is in said place indeed similar to Muzukashii and should due to that gain some deletions to come spreadwise a bit closer to Kantan, but also make it not too consecutive either. Additionally it is indeed questionable to have at 02:52:849 - a kiai break since the chorus does not cut here.

Good luck for further process.
Topic Starter
Aldwych
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Additionally it is indeed questionable to have at 02:52:849 - a kiai break since the chorus does not cut here.
Since it's not an unrankable issue, i don't find where it should be that questionnable, already gave my 2 cents here btw.

About futsuu spread. I'm fine with my changes since it reduce the whole length of the patterns (except the last one for explained reasons), if i keep the same intensity as the previous kiai, then i have to change the other diffs to be consistent (ofc the kantan one cannot be more intense because 1/1 stuff eh?).

Gonna upaload later on.
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