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Dream Theater - Enigma Machine [Taiko]

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mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 11 January 2017 at 00:05:46

Artist: Dream Theater
Title: Enigma Machine
Tags: Dream Theater
BPM: 90
Filesize: 8631kb
Play Time: 05:46
Difficulties Available:
  1. Cipher (6.19 stars, 1933 notes)
Download: Dream Theater - Enigma Machine
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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This world needs more Dream Theater
Hopefully for ranked, eventually.

Thanks to all the play testers who gave this map a try (especially Mekelemembe), you feedback has helped steer this map to where it is today.

Also thanks fo sing216 for digging out the previous version when I accidentally overwrote it with an even older version.

Extra thanks to all these modders who spent their valuable time into giving constructive criticisms and suggestions on how to improve the map. Your time spent is very much appreciated.

- Sayaka-
- Vulkin
- Tamaki
- Chromoxx
- Mew104
Last edited by mangomizer , edited 37 times in total.
Vulkin
1,602 posts
Joined September 2014
Vulkin
ayy lmao
sleepy mods ftw

-General-
why not "Cipher Oni"? sounds a bit more fitting lol
and i think you made the bpm Half as it should be o-o (1/8 everywhere wat)

-Cipher-
00:00:851 (2) - k?
00:05:851 (9) - ^
00:10:850 (15) - ^
00:15:850 (22) - ^
01:22:174 (297,298) - remove finisher
01:24:842 (309,310) - ^
ok you get the idea, its X x x X instead of X X X X on those 1/2 4-note pattern
02:41:501 - the bpm change im kinda questioning it
03:43:331 (11,12) - Ctrl G
03:48:665 (21,22) - ^
04:07:664 - its a 1/4 ddd k, not a 1/3 dddk
04:08:331 - same, but its ddk k 1/4

04:27:335 - from here to 04:59:330 - you either forgot notes, or overmapped, Strongly suggest to recheck all this sector
for example:
04:38:584 (61,62) - overmapped
04:39:250 (64) - move to 04:38:917 -

05:04:668 - From here, Like before, the finishers should be X x x X, not X X X X

05:46:220 (76,77,78,79) - Here the notes are not that right from what i can listen, but I cant find the right snap, probably the drum got different BPM, try rechecking it.
Also you forgot the inherited point to end the last kiai

Hope this mod helps you
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thanks so much for being the first person to mod my map! The first step is always the hardest...

Anything not commented on was applied.

Mod stuff

Vulkin wrote:

ayy lmao
sleepy mods ftw

-General-
why not "Cipher Oni"? sounds a bit more fitting lol Will think of a fitting title
and i think you made the bpm Half as it should be o-o (1/8 everywhere wat) BPM is definitely 90, otherwise too many bar lines

-Cipher-
00:00:851 (2) - k? Uhhh, I'm just not a huge fan of d k d k d k d, it's a bit jarring for me - it was originally this btw
00:05:851 (9) - ^ ^
00:10:850 (15) - ^ ^
00:15:850 (22) - ^ ^
01:22:174 (297,298) - remove finisher
01:24:842 (309,310) - ^
ok you get the idea, its X x x X instead of X X X X on those 1/2 4-note pattern
02:41:501 - the bpm change im kinda questioning it I have no idea how to tackle this LOL
03:43:331 (11,12) - Ctrl G
03:48:665 (21,22) - ^
04:07:664 - its a 1/4 ddd k, not a 1/3 dddk
04:08:331 - same, but its ddk k 1/4

04:27:335 - from here to 04:59:330 - you either forgot notes, or overmapped, Strongly suggest to recheck all this sector
for example:
04:38:584 (61,62) - overmapped
04:39:250 (64) - move to 04:38:917 - Will look into this in the future, maybe in an hour or so

05:04:668 - From here, Like before, the finishers should be X x x X, not X X X X

05:46:220 (76,77,78,79) - Here the notes are not that right from what i can listen, but I cant find the right snap, probably the drum got different BPM, try rechecking it. Tried a different BPM
Also you forgot the inherited point to end the last kiai

Hope this mod helps you
Tamaki_old_1
Tamaki_old_1
Since you asked me to look at the 'XxxX' patterns I decided to look over the whole thing so here's some suggestions to try and help out:

[Cipher]
00:33:848 (45,46) - k
00:35:348 (55,56,57) - kkk?
00:46:348 (126) - k
00:50:347 (145) - k
00:52:346 - You could add a k note here
00:53:013 (157) - k
01:01:012 - You could add a k note here
01:01:346 (199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209) - k kdk k D ddk k D
01:19:342 (284,285,286,287) - xxxX, there's no cymbol at the start of this pattern.
01:22:008 (296,297,298,299) - XxxX
01:24:675 (308,309,310,311) - XxxX
01:27:342 (322,323,324,325) - XxxX
01:30:008 (334,335,336,337) - XxxX
01:32:675 (345,346,347,348) - XxxX
01:35:342 (358,359,360,361) - XxxX
01:36:175 (362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371) - dkddkddkdd
01:38:008 (372,373,374,375) - XxxX
01:42:842 - You could change this to ddd at 1/8 snap.
01:44:174 - ^ Same again here
03:27:828 (122) - ddk d
05:04:668 (42,43,44,45) - xxxX, there's no cymbol at the start of this pattern.
05:07:334 (54,55,56,57) - XxxX
05:08:334 (59) - k
05:10:001 (66,67,68,69) - XxxX
05:12:668 (78,79,80,81) - XxxX
05:14:668 (89) - k
05:15:001 (91) - remove
05:15:334 (92,93,94,95) - xXxX
05:18:001 (106,107,108,109) - XxxX
05:35:000 (1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75) - I'm not really a fan of how this stream is structured. Maybe something like this?:
*Big Images Inside*




Of course this is only my opinion and there's other ways you could map this out.

I feel like there's a lot of parts you could improve upon in this map, maybe listen to the music more closely and try to make patterns that feel good to play, you know where to find me if you have any questions though.

Hope it helps and good luck!
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thanks for the mod, and sorry for the late response. Anything not commented on was applied to the letter.

mod stuff

Tamaki wrote:

Since you asked me to look at the 'XxxX' patterns I decided to look over the whole thing so here's some suggestions to try and help out:

[Cipher]
00:33:848 (45,46) - k
00:35:348 (55,56,57) - kkk? Sorry, I prefer the drop, kkk is too jarring
00:46:348 (126) - k
00:50:347 (145) - k
00:52:346 - You could add a k note here nope :D
00:53:013 (157) - k
01:01:012 - You could add a k note here ^
01:01:346 (199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209) - k kdk k D ddk k D I took inspiration from this and settled with k ddd k d ddk k D
01:19:342 (284,285,286,287) - xxxX, there's no cymbol at the start of this pattern.
01:22:008 (296,297,298,299) - XxxX
01:24:675 (308,309,310,311) - XxxX
01:27:342 (322,323,324,325) - XxxX
01:30:008 (334,335,336,337) - XxxX
01:32:675 (345,346,347,348) - XxxX
01:35:342 (358,359,360,361) - XxxX
01:36:175 (362,363,364,365,366,367,368,369,370,371) - dkddkddkdd
01:38:008 (372,373,374,375) - XxxX
01:42:842 - You could change this to ddd at 1/8 snap. Yes to first, no to second, I want a gap there
01:44:174 - ^ Same again here
03:27:828 (122) - ddk d
05:04:668 (42,43,44,45) - xxxX, there's no cymbol at the start of this pattern.
05:07:334 (54,55,56,57) - XxxX
05:08:334 (59) - k
05:10:001 (66,67,68,69) - XxxX
05:12:668 (78,79,80,81) - XxxX
05:14:668 (89) - k I actually prefer the drop and the extra note for some reason, sorry :P
05:15:001 (91) - remove
05:15:334 (92,93,94,95) - xXxX I heard 3 finishers lol xXXX
05:18:001 (106,107,108,109) - XxxX
05:35:000 (1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75) - I'm not really a fan of how this stream is structured. Maybe something like this?: I drew some inspiration from this and changed it somehow


Of course this is only my opinion and there's other ways you could map this out.
I feel like there's a lot of parts you could improve upon in this map, maybe listen to the music more closely and try to make patterns that feel good to play, you know where to find me if you have any questions though.

Hope it helps and good luck!
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Welp just added 1/9th notes and multi variate bpm streams.
Chromoxx
904 posts
Joined August 2012
Chromoxx
hi, i was asked to look at this lmao
so here is a quick mod i guess
[General]
BG size is weird and looks pretty awkward, please find an image with 1366x768 resolution
[Cipher]
00:57:846 (184,185,186) - i think this should be kkd, since 00:57:846 - is the same pitch as the note before and it goes down by a noticable bit to 00:58:013 - (dkd would also sound good)
03:05:748 (88,90) - you could change these to k to emphasize the high going sound on 03:05:665 - more and to put emphasis on the sound at 03:05:998 -
04:59:164 (6) - change to k, since the sound is a lot higher than the start of the stream afterwards and it would put a lot more emphasis on the stream

pattern wise there wasn't really much to object to, but the finishers are kinda weird and inconsistent in some parts, maybe look over it again and fix that
05:04:668 - this part would be an example, where some of the quads for the same musical part are oooO, others are OooO and others are oOOo...
gl with this... if it's even rankable lmao
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer
Thanks for the quick mod Chromoxx :D. Anything not commented on was applied. Mod box below.

Mod Stuff

Chromoxx wrote:

hi, i was asked to look at this lmao
so here is a quick mod i guess
[General]
BG size is weird and looks pretty awkward, please find an image with 1366x768 resolution
[Cipher]
00:57:846 (184,185,186) - i think this should be kkd, since 00:57:846 - is the same pitch as the note before and it goes down by a noticable bit to 00:58:013 - (dkd would also sound good) dkd was applied
03:05:748 (88,90) - you could change these to k to emphasize the high going sound on 03:05:665 - more and to put emphasis on the sound at 03:05:998 - Personally I think it is fine as it is, I think your suggestion is nice but imo it's more of a bass section, so therefore more dons.
04:59:164 (6) - change to k, since the sound is a lot higher than the start of the stream afterwards and it would put a lot more emphasis on the stream. Pretty ambivalent on this one but it makes sense so I'll go with it

pattern wise there wasn't really much to object to, but the finishers are kinda weird and inconsistent in some parts, maybe look over it again and fix that
05:04:668 - this part would be an example, where some of the quads for the same musical part are oooO, others are OooO and others are oOOo...I put the finishers in a way such that they would match the cymbal clashes
gl with this... if it's even rankable lmao

Thank you so much for the mod. Really helped on some of the parts that had me puzzled as well (especially the first one). With regards the finishers, I'll patch that up in my own time.
Yuzeyun
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Yuzeyun
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Mew
62 posts
Joined February 2013
Mew
This song is too good to not help it get ranked

[Cipher]
00:00:000 - I don't really understand why you would put the preview point at the very start of the mp3. I would suggest moving it to 01:40:633
00:37:015 (63) - I feel like k would go along better with the guitar here
01:16:509 - Add d?
01:58:006 - Since you're following the guitar in this section, I'd recommend changing 01:58:172 (563) and 01:58:422 (566) to k, to make the pattern the same as the one that follows, as the guitar sounds the same in both instances
02:41:502 (842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849,850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860) - This seems very overmapped and it's a nightmare to play because of the sudden tempo change. I don't exactly know how to fix it while still trying to follow the guitar but I think changing 02:42:335 (854,855,856,857,858,859,860) - to 1/4 instead of 1/6 would be a start
02:52:500 (928) - A slider starting here would compliment the guitar better than this spinner in my opnion
03:02:332 (82) - This finisher seems highly unrankable
03:28:578 - Add d here? I feel it would go well with this section
04:08:331 (424,425,426) - Feel like this should be ddd as well since the drums don't sound any different here
04:08:998 (428) - Sounds more like d than k to me
04:49:832 - This break kind of interrupts the flow of this section, maybe add a don here?
04:57:830 - ^
05:00:330 (209,210,211,212,213) - & 05:00:996 (217,218,219,220,221) - I'd suggest changing these to from ddkdk to kdkkk as it follows the drums a lot better
05:01:996 (229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245) - The drums in the song start doing that kddkddk pattern at 05:02:079 so if you want to stay accurate to the drums here I would suggest mapping it like this:
05:25:168 - Add d
05:35:000 - The patterns in the first half of this stream seem really random to me. I'm not gonna tell you how to map it but I think you should definitely tweak it a bit
That's about it, really solid map overall!
Would love to see this getting ranked, so best of luck with that! :D
mangomizer
120 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
mangomizer

Mew104 wrote:

This song is too good to not help it get ranked

[Cipher]
00:00:000 - I don't really understand why you would put the preview point at the very start of the mp3. I would suggest moving it to 01:40:633 Yeah I never really cared about the preview points LOL
00:37:015 (63) - I feel like k would go along better with the guitar here Not really convinced tbh...d sounds better to me imo...
01:16:509 - Add d? OK
01:58:006 - Since you're following the guitar in this section, I'd recommend changing 01:58:172 (563) and 01:58:422 (566) to k, to make the pattern the same as the one that follows, as the guitar sounds the same in both instances I kept those sections different because of the overall rising pitch of the guitar. Personally I believe in freestyle mapping, and less bothered about sticking it solely down to pitch of individual notes, but rather the grander structure, but good suggestion though.
02:41:502 (842,843,844,845,846,847,848,849,850,851,852,853,854,855,856,857,858,859,860) - This seems very overmapped and it's a nightmare to play because of the sudden tempo change. I don't exactly know how to fix it while still trying to follow the guitar but I think changing 02:42:335 (854,855,856,857,858,859,860) - to 1/4 instead of 1/6 would be a start This is a very difficult stream yes... ehhh there isn't really a tempo change, just an unusual meter (1/5), and it does actually follow the guitar to the note, so I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with it. Granted, having played that stream well over 100 times, I may think there is nothing wrong with it, but I did try out changing it to 1/4 and I don't think it fits nearly as well. Personally, I don't think it is overmapped (have you even seen the streams in today's ranked maps, they have 1/6th + 1/4th when it doesn't even EXIST!)
02:52:500 (928) - A slider starting here would compliment the guitar better than this spinner in my opnion AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION
03:02:332 (82) - This finisher seems highly unrankable (nope, 100% rankable)
03:28:578 - Add d here? I feel it would go well with this section Agreed
04:08:331 (424,425,426) - Feel like this should be ddd as well since the drums don't sound any different here Personal Choice, gives the map some momentum imo
04:08:998 (428) - Sounds more like d than k to me reluctant, but OK
04:49:832 - This break kind of interrupts the flow of this section, maybe add a don here? I want it to remain empty, to emphasise the finisher, and as well as to match version 1.
04:57:830 - ^ This however, I will change
05:00:330 (209,210,211,212,213) - & 05:00:996 (217,218,219,220,221) - I'd suggest changing these to from ddkdk to kdkkk as it follows the drums a lot better AGREED
05:01:996 (229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245) - The drums in the song start doing that kddkddk pattern at 05:02:079 so if you want to stay accurate to the drums here I would suggest mapping it like this: did something similar, built around your idea.
05:25:168 - Add d Fair enough
05:35:000 - The patterns in the first half of this stream seem really random to me. I'm not gonna tell you how to map it but I think you should definitely tweak it a bit When I have some inspiration
That's about it, really solid map overall!
Would love to see this getting ranked, so best of luck with that! :D
After the comments from Scars of Yesterday, I realise that our mapping styles differ quite a lot. However, it is sometimes fresh to receive a very conflicting viewpoint, and I found myself agreeing with quite a few of the points you have made, and for that I really do appreciate the time you spent modding this.
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