seleP - To Memory plot1

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Topic Starter
Bara-
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on maandag 6 juni 2016 at 13:15:47

Artist: seleP
Title: To Memory plot1
Tags: feat. Kokone Vocaloid Seven Memories
BPM: 136
Filesize: 2725kb
Play Time: 00:59
Difficulties Available:
  1. Advanced (2,27 stars, 112 notes)
  2. Amnesia (4,14 stars, 177 notes)
  3. Hard (3,03 stars, 141 notes)
  4. Normal (1,52 stars, 78 notes)


Download: seleP - To Memory plot1
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Easy - Simple rhythm structures, with an occasional 3/4. Make sure to look out for SV changes, use the sliderticks to your advantage to calculate to slider's speed!
Normal - Rhythm and spacing is getting a bit trickier, again, look out for SV changes, sue the sliderticks!
Hard - Now the harder diffs come, quite some usage of 1/4, some streams, some jumps, and SV changes, and rather small circles
Amnesia - A lot of 1/4, quite tricky spacing, unforgiving HP and small circles. And SV changes, like in the other diffs

To the modders: I refuse to change SliderTickRate. It's used to help the players read the sv changes better!

Metadata: seleP's Soundcloud
Side
14:59 Side: 00:09:706 (2) - this blanket triggers me :(
15:00 Side: ctrl+g then fix the end and ctrl+g back
15:00 Side: also for some reason I dunno wtf happens here with the mp3 but 00:17:652 - sound so weird like there's a pause or something
15:02 Side: also move these up a bit more 00:32:220 (2,1,1) - :^)
15:03 Bara-: At 17 sec, the timing is likely a bit wonky, as sele made this cut of her song herself, and it seems to be of by approx 20 ms. Such difference is actually neglected by lowering the BMP to 135.92 (MixMeister gave me that)
15:04 Side: yea probably
15:04 Side: triggers me though x_x
15:04 Bara-: fixed the rest
15:04 Bara-: And I'll likely ask a pro timer to help me with the timing, cause it's rather hard...
15:05 Side: 00:33:765 (2) - btw this would be better as a 1/4 slider somehow cuz there's that little sound at 00:33:875 -
15:06 Side: also for a similar reason I'd like 00:34:427 (5) - to be a note at 00:34:427 - and a 1/2 slider starting 00:34:537 - coz of the instruments but I see why you mapped that like you did
15:06 Side: 00:36:193 (1) - this didn't look so nice in game imo especially with ez :(
15:06 Bara-: That's like the only slider which doesn't have a snare at the blue tick, therefore I mapped it with a 3/4 slider
15:07 Side: 00:37:296 (2,3) - the angle of the jump from 2>3 also felt a bit weird to me :/
15:07 Bara-: I actually did all these sliders in a really ugly/wonky way :P
15:07 Side: the others looked more interesting tho :v
15:08 Side: oh but for sure 00:34:537 - add that clap hitsound you have at 00:33:986 -
15:09 Bara-: There is no clap at that part
15:09 Bara-: There is at the others (listen to the music)
15:10 Side: ah okay yeah I thought the clap was following the general 3/4 piano-like sound
15:10 Side: also why I suggested the double rhythm
15:10 Bara-: It happens on the 2nd/3rd/4th time in the strophe, not on the 1st one
15:10 Side: yeah the clap does
15:11 Side: can't really mod it as well as normal cos rip tablet ;-;
15:11 Side: but good luck
15:12 Bara-: Thanks!
15:12 Bara-: Now go post the log :P
15:12 Side: lol kds for this?
15:12 Side: xd

gl!
JBHyperion
Got asked to take a little look at timing - Offset needs to reset somewhere around 00:17:652 to account for the extended vocal. Delay is in the region of 1/12 so try adding a red line at 00:17:689 with BPM 136 and shifting everything forward to resnap.

No need to kudos this - good luck with the map!
Topic Starter
Bara-
Thanks!
It seems to be fine now!
Thank god I don't need to resnap all the timing points :P
Only the ones before the offset and the kiai strats/ends ^_^
Yanganof
Heyo~
from queue

Really Nice BG *~*

General
Remove Widescreen support or add an Storyboard ^.^
I suggest you lower the CS of Normal Hard and maybe even Amnesia by 1
Maybe lower Slider Tick Rate from 4 to 2?

just take a close look at the timeline


Those are the same timing points lol
those are off (Or they're not being correctly displayed by the client, dunno):
19859,-83.3333333333333,4,2,2,70,0,0
38069,-83.3333333333333,4,2,2,70,0,0
38179,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,70,0,0
43366,-66.6666666666667,4,2,2,100,0,1
43476,-66.6666666666667,4,2,1,100,0,1
43697,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,80,0,1
44138,-76.9230769230769,4,2,1,85,0,1
44470,-71.4285714285714,4,2,1,90,0,1
44801,-66.6666666666667,4,2,1,95,0,1
45021,-50,4,2,1,100,0,1
48111,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
48221,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
51642,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
51752,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
52194,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
52304,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
55174,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
55284,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
Maybe you should remove quite a lot of them, as they seem to be unused.
00:09:702 (4,5,1) - I don't think those 1/2 Rhythms are a good idea in Easy, you should do them in normal
00:32:680 (1) - looks weird
00:59:813 (3) - This last one feels kinda weird

I'll give this a closer look later on as i gotta go now ._.

Not much i can add here

00:18:563 (1) - i know this increased SV shall emphasize those beats, just as the somewhat strange look, but i think it's totally breaking the flow in here and might be a bit to hard for normal. Maybe you wanna lower the multiplier to 1.3 or 1.4

Nothing for hard, except the SV multiplier with the same issue as in normal

feels more like some 5.xx star extra diff xD
00:06:945 (4,1) - Wanna stack those?
You got this multiple times
Topic Starter
Bara-

Yanganof wrote:

Heyo~
from queue

Really Nice BG *~*

General
Remove Widescreen support or add an Storyboard ^.^ I'll likely add a lyric SB when the lyrics are available
I suggest you lower the CS of Normal Hard and maybe even Amnesia by 1 Nah
Maybe lower Slider Tick Rate from 4 to 2? Read the map's description

just take a close look at the timeline Refer to JBH's post about timing


Those are the same timing points lol
those are off (Or they're not being correctly displayed by the client, dunno): Too lazy to fix, but them being unsnapped isn't a problem actually
19859,-83.3333333333333,4,2,2,70,0,0
38069,-83.3333333333333,4,2,2,70,0,0
38179,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,70,0,0
43366,-66.6666666666667,4,2,2,100,0,1
43476,-66.6666666666667,4,2,1,100,0,1
43697,-83.3333333333333,4,2,1,80,0,1
44138,-76.9230769230769,4,2,1,85,0,1
44470,-71.4285714285714,4,2,1,90,0,1
44801,-66.6666666666667,4,2,1,95,0,1
45021,-50,4,2,1,100,0,1
48111,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
48221,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
51642,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
51752,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
52194,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
52304,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
55174,-100,4,2,2,60,0,0
55284,-100,4,2,1,60,0,0
Maybe you should remove quite a lot of them, as they seem to be unused.
00:09:702 (4,5,1) - I don't think those 1/2 Rhythms are a good idea in Easy, you should do them in normal The gap between EN would be way too big then
00:32:680 (1) - looks weird
00:59:813 (3) - This last one feels kinda weird Sound is too strong to ignore

I'll give this a closer look later on as i gotta go now ._.

Not much i can add here

00:18:563 (1) - i know this increased SV shall emphasize those beats, just as the somewhat strange look, but i think it's totally breaking the flow in here and might be a bit to hard for normal. Maybe you wanna lower the multiplier to 1.3 or 1.4 I really want to get rid of the image that Normals are Always boring and you are limited to a few things. It plays fine imo, and I will not change it

Nothing for hard, except the SV multiplier with the same issue as in normal

feels more like some 5.xx star extra diff xD
00:06:945 (4,1) - Wanna stack those?
You got this multiple times
Thanks
Fixed all unmentioned!
Shiirn
Suggestions
Major suggestions
Unrankable issues

I will be modding the topmost difficulty downwards.

Amnesia
  1. I feel like this difficulty is conflicting with itself and whether it wants to map the drum kicks or not. The most obvious examples are when you have the drums put on such low priority that you're hitsounding sliderticks for the drums - normally, this would be okay if you were following vocals or something, but for a 1-minute map you should generally stick to one or the other.
  2. The drums in this map are fairly complex and would make for quite a good difficulty, regardless of the vocals, but you seemingly swap between the drums and vocals nonstop. That's also something that is okay, but for a 1-minute difficulty just leaves the player feeling confused rather than invested.
  3. As such, I would recommend re-visiting the entire map and consciously deciding when and where to follow the drums. The vocals aren't that good to follow for a higher difficulty because they tend to fade over very long beats while the drum actually does something interesting. I personally would recommend sticking to the drum.
  4. 00:11:468 (3,4,1) - Rotate these back by 2 degrees and make sure that 3 and 1 are actually the same distance from 4. As it is now, they are very clearly not and it feels very weird.
  5. 00:16:320 (2) - I see what you're trying to do here but ctrl+g does feel better. It'll also prevent any sightreading issues due to the small circle size and consistency with other 1/2 or 1/4 distance parts, such as 00:14:556 (2,3,4) - . (This one has relatively the same spacing, but has 1/2 timing between 2 and 3.)
  6. 00:23:857 (5) - there should really, really be a click on the blue tick. You're forcing a pattern on the player when the music is doing something different, it won't play well. This is the most obvious example of disconnect between the drums and the patterns you are using.
  7. 00:32:681 (1,1) - bad blanket
  8. 00:37:975 (5) - Same as 23:857 and this happens fairly often.
  9. 45 seconds and on is copy pasted so uh yeah
  10. Overall, I feel like this difficulty falls into the trap of "making a map harder is simply making it more dense". I'd say a good 80% of mappers don't truly understand how to map insanes or extras. On the other hand, those that do can likewise fail to understand what makes a map a good easy or normal. This is entirely because of the fact that what constitutes "difficult" changes subtly but massively as players get better. The transition from Insane to Extra is often written off as "simply more notes", but it's more subtle than that.
  11. Likewise, this difficulty transitions from "Hard" to "Insane" simply by "having more notes". But simply adding more clicks to Hard's structure makes for a very weird map that doesn't play very well. There are many points in the Insane that should have been triples or doubles to follow the drums, but were instead 1/4 sliders or 1/2 sliders that skipped the drum hit entirely. This is simply a failure to transition the map to what makes an insane "An Insane difficulty" - that is to say, a more physically difficult map, not a more mentally difficult one.

Hard
  1. Now see, this difficulty differs from Amnesia because it is much, much more simple and thereby plays much better. Because it sticks to a consistent rhythm and doesn't actually bother with following the drums precisely at particular times, it's much less jarring for the player to skip over the drums. This causes the player to simply "read the map" rather than "read the music". For better or for worse, Hard is an example of a map that has its own rhythm over the music. That's fine, in my opinion. But Amnesia makes major disconnects that make it play very uncomfortably.
  2. I didn't come across any particular errors here.
I likewise did not find any particular issues with Easy or Normal, except for the fact that that sliderticks visible in the editor will not render (be visible in game) underneath the slider starts and ends, which can lead to more confusion for players rather than less in the case of slider velocity changes. Please keep this in mind.
Xinely
Easy :
- SR 2 please, SR 4 looks like spamming with ticks since each blue tick red tick white tick have them
- 00:08:820 (3) - finish on head for cymbal
- 00:09:923 - no need hitsound for your tick, it doesnt have drum sound, instead drum sounds at 00:09:812 -
- 00:12:349 (3) - 00:15:217 - same as above
- 00:14:775 (2) - remove please, no strong beat for mapping this, also 1/2 isnt recommended still for easy altho the bpm is kinda low
- 00:15:878 (4) - 3/4 slider isnt allowed for easy diff, keep in mind this is designed for newbie, so change this into 2 circles for 00:15:878 - 00:16:320 - >_<
- 00:26:504 (1) - 00:30:033 (1) - 00:40:622 (1) - ^, just change to 1/1 slider
- 00:18:563 (1) - first of all, sv changes isnt allowed for easy diff, newbie will confuse with it for sure
- 00:25:622 (1) - 00:22:092 (1) - 00:29:151 (1) - 00:32:680 (1) - 00:36:210 (1) - 00:38:636 (3,1) - ^
- 00:20:989 (3) - 1/2 of 2 circles? omg please this is easy diff, remove :C
- 00:34:886 (2,3) - same as above
- 00:43:269 (1,2,1,1,2,1) - definitely kill newbies :( , http://puu.sh/pcJ6n/1c7438d8bb.jpg try this instead
- 00:49:445 (1) - finish on head for cymbal
- 00:51:210 (3) - ^
- 00:57:166 (2) - remove, reason same as above
- 00:59:813 (3) - rip, will give dq for sure because 1/4 slider and unreadable slider. a circle pls
- 00:58:269 (1) - no idea why 3/4 slider here, the music is 1/2 so better change to 1/2 slider repeat

Normal :
- SR 2 please, SR 4 looks like spamming with ticks since each blue tick red tick white tick have them
- omg the spacing 1,6x.. honestly its called as advanced diff and you need a diff between this and easy diff :(
- 00:26:283 (1) - i would say remove this, it follows nothing after you do sv change too
- 00:29:813 (2) - and similar things same with that, ^
- before late i have to say sv changes speed only can be used for Hard diff and above. cant do for easy normal and advanced diffs :C

Hard :
- the normal spacing is seriously high comparing with your CS so strongly suggest to use 1,2x or 1,3x

Amnesia :
this is not insane but like extra diff, with cs works and extreme jump like 00:28:269 (1) - 00:28:710 (2) - etc, that would be nicer if you have a diff between hard and this
so i think if made so Easy (cs 3) - new Normal (cs 3,5) - Advanced (cs 4) - Hard (cs 4,5) - new Insane (cs 5) and Amnesia (cs 6) would be good for spread

also your Amnesia OD 9 CS 6 HP8 are SO cruel, i wonder if there is someone (who isnt pro) passed it so better you reduce OD HP setting by 1 point for all diffs ><

good luck for now ~
Topic Starter
Bara-

Xinely wrote:

Easy :
- SR 2 please, SR 4 looks like spamming with ticks since each blue tick red tick white tick have them Due to what Shiirn said, yes, I'll change it
- 00:08:820 (3) - finish on head for cymbal
- 00:09:923 - no need hitsound for your tick, it doesnt have drum sound, instead drum sounds at 00:09:812 -
- 00:12:349 (3) - 00:15:217 - same as above
- 00:14:775 (2) - remove please, no strong beat for mapping this, also 1/2 isnt recommended still for easy altho the bpm is kinda low
- 00:15:878 (4) - 3/4 slider isnt allowed for easy diff, keep in mind this is designed for newbie, so change this into 2 circles for 00:15:878 - 00:16:320 - >_< It's low BPM, should be fine
- 00:26:504 (1) - 00:30:033 (1) - 00:40:622 (1) - ^, just change to 1/1 slider ^^
- 00:18:563 (1) - first of all, sv changes isnt allowed for easy diff, newbie will confuse with it for sure They are actually. They are discouraged, but not disallowed. And I renamed the diff to normal so it should be fine ^_^
- 00:25:622 (1) - 00:22:092 (1) - 00:29:151 (1) - 00:32:680 (1) - 00:36:210 (1) - 00:38:636 (3,1) - ^
- 00:20:989 (3) - 1/2 of 2 circles? omg please this is easy diff, remove :C
- 00:34:886 (2,3) - same as above
- 00:43:269 (1,2,1,1,2,1) - definitely kill newbies :( , http://puu.sh/pcJ6n/1c7438d8bb.jpg try this instead Should be fine
- 00:49:445 (1) - finish on head for cymbal
- 00:51:210 (3) - ^
- 00:57:166 (2) - remove, reason same as above
- 00:59:813 (3) - rip, will give dq for sure because 1/4 slider and unreadable slider. a circle pls
- 00:58:269 (1) - no idea why 3/4 slider here, the music is 1/2 so better change to 1/2 slider repeat Ermm, music is 3/4

Normal :
- SR 2 please, SR 4 looks like spamming with ticks since each blue tick red tick white tick have them
- omg the spacing 1,6x.. honestly its called as advanced diff and you need a diff between this and easy diff :(Renamed to advanced
- 00:26:283 (1) - i would say remove this, it follows nothing after you do sv change too It keeps the flow ^_^
- 00:29:813 (2) - and similar things same with that, ^
- before late i have to say sv changes speed only can be used for Hard diff and above. cant do for easy normal and advanced diffs :CUhh you can

Hard :
- the normal spacing is seriously high comparing with your CS so strongly suggest to use 1,2x or 1,3x

Amnesia :
this is not insane but like extra diff, with cs works and extreme jump like 00:28:269 (1) - 00:28:710 (2) - etc, that would be nicer if you have a diff between hard and this
so i think if made so Easy (cs 3) - new Normal (cs 3,5) - Advanced (cs 4) - Hard (cs 4,5) - new Insane (cs 5) and Amnesia (cs 6) would be good for spread

also your Amnesia OD 9 CS 6 HP8 are SO cruel, i wonder if there is someone (who isnt pro) passed it so better you reduce OD HP setting by 1 point for all diffs ><

good luck for now ~
Thanks! Fixed all unmentioned (unless it's a same issue as before)
Renamed easy to Normal, Normal to Advanced
Lowered OD/HP in highest 2 diffs (and increased them a bit in Normal for better spread)
Asaiga
I can't mod this ; ;
The level is too high *gave a star*
Hobbes2
Hello! Mod from queue.

Neat concept, I like it a lot. It's interesting to see a map with changing SV designed for newer players; I guess you could think of it as a training map in a way?

[Normal]

00:22:092 (1) - Don't change this I guess but yuck. This slider is just gross. Looks like the kinda slider that if it could talk it'd be a real jerk.

00:30:916 (2) - I think this slider should be moved up a bit. Looks better that way imo.

[Advanced]

00:04:408 (3,4,1) - Flow feel felt awkward, the angle from 3->4 and then 4->1 was pretty sharp, and then you have to go back again because of the reverse. I'd move 00:05:290 (1) up a bit and to the right.

00:14:996 (3) - Another jerk slider :c

00:37:092 (1,2) - Straighten the start of 2 a bit so it blankets 1 better

00:39:739 (1) - sliderend could be angled down just a hair to blanket better

[Hard]

00:11:908 (4,1) - This blanket looks like it has inconsistent spacing (not DS, but the blanket itself)

00:32:680 (1) - I'm personally not a big fan of sliders like these ones, where like rotates around itself at the start. They just feel weird to play and look at.

[Amnesia]

Ayy CS 6. I love high CS maps.

No comments on this one. Blankets look great, I think some of the sliders are weird but I don't think you'd change them since it'd just be my opinion.

Good luck with the set! Sorry that the mod wasn't great, but it's a short song and I didn't think it was worth commenting on the SV change thing other that I like the concept.
_handholding
Great map, though it needs a bit of work. Try remapping it?
Topic Starter
Bara-
Hobbes, fixed all, except some sldiershapes. I changed the first jerkslider, bt kept the others, just to have some variety in slider shapes!
Thanks a lot! ^_^
TicClick
I can both remove the offset by editing the audio and remove letterbox from the background, making it 16:9 without aspect ratio loss.
Hitsounds are too loud, sometimes up to the point where they become noisy.
Last, but not least, I don't like combo colours you chose.

[Amnesia]
After fixing these two, recopy hitsounds onto the rest of the set, because lower difficulties have some samples missing as well.
  1. 00:08:820 (1), and 00:37:093 (1), and 00:51:210 (1) - missing finish
  2. 00:16:651 (3) and 00:34:555 (5) - missing clap

[Hard]
  1. 00:44:813 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - having compared it to the above difficulty, I don't think both the pre-stream jump and the stream itself are suitable for Hard.

[Advanced and Normal]
  1. 00:13:342, and 00:52:203, and 00:55:732 - add a storyboarded clap sample

[Normal]
  1. 00:55:622 (4) - remove clap


That's all that's significant, I'll leave your sliders alone
Topic Starter
Bara-
If you can change the BG, I'd be really happy ^_^
Reply to the mod will come in a few days, have been quite busy with irl stuff recently
Thanks!
TicClick
Zozimoto
:? My Mod ;)

00:18:563-00:45:916 Use One Kiai, It Will Have A Similar Effect To All Those Kiai Times
00:54:739 I Think This Slider Should Be Moved Up A Bit
00:18:563 This Slider Could Have A Curve Like This:
00:07:937 Could've Made It Have A Curve:
00:45:033 (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) That Isn't Hard Material, Is It?
00:59:923 Add A Clap Please. Whoops Misread It
Make CS 5,8
00:49:445 Make This Slider Curve
00:59:592 Rotate It In 180 Degrees, Clockwise, Selection Centre (Ctrl + Shift + R)
Ahem... Where Are The Streams?
God Dammit, Bara Quit Ignoring Us,
Ashton
Hello there I will be doing this as a free nm mod



Pink = aesthetics



Lets begin


[Amnesia]
I think it would look nicer if you didn't overlap 00:10:585 (1) - this and 00:11:468 (3) - this, I don't think it would effect gameplay much but jsut for aesthetic reasons
00:12:350 (1) - this reverse slider seems unnecesarry imo
00:16:320 (2,3,4) - Blanket this better
00:25:622 (1) - I think you can rework this so that it looks the same as the other sliders





Good luck!
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