Kawada Mami - See visionS

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HakuNoKaemi

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
What? That actually make Template Skin so unrankable >.<, if you refer to the rule of the transparency it's in fact only for larger SB images that have much trasparency and do have an high SB Load.
Template skin doesnt have that many transparencies, in fact its pretty solid, your hitbursts have transparencies in the center of them, this is also the reason why ztrot had to stop using his most famous skin, i'm sorry but AT LEAST hit100.png and hit300.png have to go from here and possibly hit0.png and hit50.png too[/quote]

Well, i don't see something like this in the New Rules neither in the Old Guideline... therefore i don't even know why there is a rule like this.
Well:
-it's not confusive
-it's not unnecessary trasparency that make Graphic Card work more
-it's not larger than the template
-i don't think that rules was ever applied since many time
-probably misjudged some other rule
-it's not breaking the new rules
Sakura
It's a gameplay element, and gameplay elements must be fully visible, not have a hole in the middle.
Mok
I think everyone should open their hears before their eyes, and listen carefully how beautiful music is. Then nerd options as "i cannot think of the music, just continue clicking".
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HakuNoKaemi

Sakura Hana wrote:

It's a gameplay element, and gameplay elements must be fully visible, not have a hole in the middle.
misjudged rules.
Basically it means it shouldn't be fully trasparent in the sense that it shouldn't be an "empty" image ( like with silenced hitsounds )
this is an unrankable hitburst opened in photoshop
Sakura
Although that is unrankable as well, yours are unrankable too, as i mentioned earlier.

I didnt even know about this until some months ago, and got reminded by ouran when ztrot told him that kind of skinning was unrankable as well a week or so ago.

Hitbursts must not have any large transparencies (see-through), this rule applies specially if the hitburst would allow "hidden" slider repeats to be shown, if you still dont get why it's unrankable i can get other people here to tell you since it seems i have failed at communicating the information to you.
Card N'FoRcE
Lol you guys make me laugh.

You're throwing the worst bunch of excuses for something that's colorful enough and easy to see by saying "it's unrankable" and the only explanation you give is a "the rule says so".
A rule that doesn't even exist.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
Use your head.
They're visible so there's no reason to ban them.
If you have to ban something by using unexsiting rules, please don't and start being reasonable when you mod maps instead of searching for issues that do not exist.

You guys just make me wanna quit this game.

Odaril wrote:

Mapping to background sounds that are covered by the main melody is confusing.
You are basically saying that some great mappers (darrihuka, Al-Azif) suck because they do this.
Wow this is quite an accomplishment.
Sakura
Well, it was ztrot and some others that told me about it, that you can't have so many transparencies on hitbursts and that's why he was asked to stop using the skin he was using, i'm not sure how that makes you laugh really, if i've been misinformed for months about it by at least 3 BATs not including ztrot then can you please explain to me what's the cause of this misinformation?
Card N'FoRcE
As far as i remember, the main problem with ztrot's skin was not the amount of transparency, but the fact that the objects were too small and with no enough amount of opacity to be seen correctly.
It's not the same case in here: the shape and the colours are well refined and easy enough to track with the eye so i don't see any valid reason to say "it's unrankable because there's too much transparency", unless someone can give me a good explanation gameplay-wise.
James2250
I have asked around and the general opinion seems to be these hitbursts are not unrankable as long as they are clearly noticable from each other, they don't break the template hitburst dimensions, and the 100/300 etc are large enough to be seen while playing. All of these are fine here so there is nothing saying they are stirctly unrankable (maybe needs to be talked about more with NewRules?) However make sure that none of the repeats around the map are going to be hidden if this skin is deleted.

I personally think they are unnecessary and could be done in a better way but they do not impair gameplay in any way so ~
(I might try and get a final opinion from peppy on this though)
Sakura
Ok, if that is the case i sincerely apologize for the trouble, if James is waiting on a peppy answer i rather wait on that tho, i'll recheck this when i get back home, and once again, sorry for the trouble but i had to get that cleared up since i dont wanna be bubbling something that's not allowed.
James2250

Sakura Hana wrote:

if James is waiting on a peppy answer i rather wait on that tho
[13:48] James2250|irc hey ppy seeing as some BATs disagree on this would you allow these hitbursts to be ranked based on the amount of transparancy they have? http://puu.sh/3gqG
[13:49] ppy are they white inside?
[13:49] ppy can't tell transparency from that ss
[13:50] James2250|irc no, everything inside is transparent
[13:50] ppy as long as they are sized similar to defaults i don't see a huge problem
[13:50] James2250|irc kk that is what most people are saying, thanks~
[13:51] ztrot the 100 300G should have a image inside them imo
[13:51] ztrot they look bare compared to the rest of the set
[13:51] James2250|irc yeah I kind of figured that too..

So yes they are rankable but I would consider ztrot's idea as well or else they kind of look strange as a set with a few of them being so blank
Sakura
Isn't that what i said on the second post ._. except that i thought they werent rankable otherwise... anyways, ill just let the mapper decide then.

And for god sakes Mok, will you ever fix those notes that sound off D: *me runs*
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HakuNoKaemi
could just write something on to the hitbursts. Maybe "Cool" and "Fine".. or it's better to insert images on them to? ( probably Last order and Kazakiri Hyouka .. )
ziin

Sakura Hana wrote:

"This map did it so my map's fine" excuse doesn't work with me
Good! I'm glad, but all I said was "fyi" (for your information). I didn't really like the hitbursts when they were ranked first. You could also make an argument for "continuity" or something like that, but we've already changed the skin pretty significantly since no buts.

I do not like how the 50 and 0 look nearly identical. I think a bigger 100 and 300 in the 100.png and 300.png would be nicer. Putting images into the 100 and 300.pngs would be confusing, as the images means its the end of a combo.

This ztrot's unrankable hitburst, right?


If anything, I find the default hitbursts too big. A lot of players go and make their own skin with a completely transparent 300. Personally I cropped out the "burst" on the default and left the numbers.

The colors in the map are all significantly different from the hitbursts (except the red 0 and 50, but even then they're a more saturated red) and can be seen clearly.

Do you think there would be a problem if the skin files were removed and placed in skin, haku? Make an osk or something, or make a skin thread with "Haku's raildex". The only reason not to do this IMO is if you want to force people to use your skin unedited. I presume you are going to want to make more raildex maps right? If so, you can continuously update the skin. You can't do that with a beatmap specific.
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HakuNoKaemi
Well, it's true that putting an image in all hitburst make it confusive, therefore I'll simply make numbers bigger as ziin said.

Do you think there would be a problem if the skin files were removed and placed in skin, haku? Make an osk or something, or make a skin thread with "Haku's raildex". The only reason not to do this IMO is if you want to force people to use your skin unedited. I presume you are going to want to make more raildex maps right? If so, you can continuously update the skin. You can't do that with a beatmap specific.
Thank for the idea. Will see if i will make it after (or before) i rank this. (Should start reading Skinning Guides)
[Shalon]
Mok
GiNa
Mod by Haku’s request
Index is moe ;D
Just let you guys know I’ll nazi a bit.
Don’t kds me if you think this is not useful.

[General]
-Kiai should start exactly at 01:00:572 and end at 01:26:914 -

[cesc’s Easy]
01:12:646 (1) – stack this perfectly
01:18:133 (1) - ^
Rest seems fine to me.

[Mok’s visionS]
00:01:487 (2) – stack this perfectly
00:08:987 (3) – this doesn’t fit in the music, remove 1 repeat: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117122, this just a suggestion.
00:32:036 – just wondering why this part is blank … at least do something like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117127, I changed a green line (00:35:322) to soft and added finish on the spinner.
00:47:402 – add a note? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117130
00:59:109 – is blank again … orz http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117133

[Normal]
00:03:499 (6) – stack this perfectly
00:25:816 (4) - ^, and the slider after need to move a little too
00:28:743 (4) - ^
00:31:670 (4) - ^
00:42:829 (4) - ^
00:49:048 (6) - ^
00:51:975 (6) - ^
This diff seems fine too.

[Hard]
-Small note ;D
00:05:877 (4) – stack this perfectly
00:16:670 – probably add a slider or spinner from 00:16:670 to 00:17:768
00:55:999 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) – make them curvier, 3 is weird right now imo
01:16:487 (3) – stack this perfectly
01:19:231 (4) - ^
Not many problem found, nice diff

[Nekoo’s Insane]
-Small note too ;D
00:07:707 (4) – stack this perfectly
00:08:438 (6) - ^
00:25:085 (6) - ^
00:39:902 (4) - ^
00:41:365 (4) - ^
00:43:926 (8) - ^
01:10:451 (5) - ^
Nice insane

Star ;DD

Edit: My eyes suck, so I like big notes better :cry: (imo)
Topic Starter
HakuNoKaemi
00:16:670 – probably add a slider or spinner from 00:16:670 to 00:17:768 following voice, so is normal
00:55:999 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) – make them curvier, 3 is weird right now imo
Correct some Stacking too, only where spacing was >=0.3 and moved kiai sections

Notes are not small, it's just that people now generally map with CS 3 or 4, sometime 5 and rarely, really, 6. So you find CS 5 little. ( CS 5 is actually Normal )
Mok
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