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Politics Politics is where people talk about a current political topic. On our first topic, we are going to talk about Donald Trump.

Do you think Donald Trump will be a good president, and do you support Donald Trump.

For me, I think he is useless. First, building a wall does not stop illegal immigrants. Also, he talks inconsistently/rubbish and furthermore, he doesn't support freedom of Journalism (suing journalist). Therefore, I do not support him. Oh hello there Hilary and Bernie, nice to see you.

What do you think?
BirdyThePhoenix
IMO, He's not fit to be the president; he has other strengths, and running the country is not one of them.
Frolski
I'd definitely vote for him if I were American.


He has some balls to talk about things everyone else wouldn't. He's not afraid to say what he thinks, besides it, sometimes he's getting emotional while speaking, that means he don't intend to look good, to be diplomatic, he's just himself. Even before elections he had money, he had power, he's not doing it to gather these elements even more. This guy might be proper person at proper place.



Oh hello there Hilary and Bernie, nice to see you.
Thanks to people like them and Obama we have migrants crisis right here (SPREADING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY). I'm sure you belive all this shit they say in western media about actual geopolitical situation, that's why your opinions is like it is.
aynoz

Frolski wrote:

I'd definitely vote for him if I were American.


He has some balls to talk about things everyone else wouldn't. He's not afraid to say what he thinks, besides it, sometimes he's getting emotional while speaking, that means he don't intend to look good, to be diplomatic, he's just himself. Even before elections he had money, he had power, he's not doing it to gather these elements even more. This guy might be proper person at proper place.



Oh hello there Hilary and Bernie, nice to see you.
Thanks to people like them and Obama we have migrants crisis right here (SPREADING AMERICAN DEMOCRACY). I'm sure you belive all this shit they say in western media about actual geopolitical situation, that's why your opinions is like it is.
I guess it's not a surprise, your country is ruled by a president who is against freedom of speech and journalism, so voting for another populist hatemonger who is accusing immigration for every single problems of his country is logical.

Also "having guts" to say bullshit isn't really needed for a president, that means nothing. If no one exept him is saying stuff like 'build a giant wall" "I'll resolve Israel-Palestinian problem in 2weeks", I think it's because there's another reason besides lack of gut isn't it ?
To be diplomatic is an important skill in our current world, you just can't say if you don't agree with me then I'll attack your country. You have to do some compromise. But I recognize that having priciples while interest is a problem. I explain myself for what I know. "Oh it's me France, yeah we are a country who seek to spread some democracy and freedom of speech around the world (principles). We don't like countries which doesn't respect human rights/women rights. But it's not a problem if you got some oil and $$$ (hi saudi arabia). Also we're selling weapons (interest) to some dictatorship governments (hi saudi arabia, hi Egypt) to spread some freedom and allow Saudi to drop some bombs on some yemeni civilians :) ". And being diplomatic with such countries is making me mad, just because they got $$$/oil no one critisize them, but hey we can still lecture some weaker country which don't have worldwide influence. Being the world third arms dealer is a bit paradoxical for a country which want democracy, humans rights for every country imo.

Moreover for the power topic, He has economic power, he has a bot of a social power: he is well known and is listened by a lot of people. It's natural for someone who has power (Economic, social or political) to seek another one: political power.

Long post, I might have been too far when I talked about France but whatever.
Zain Sugieres
Tronald Dump

I'd vote for Mao Zedong or KJU
idc_old_1
dump, most definitely and without a doubt.
Yuudachi-kun
Yes and I voted for Trump but Cruz won my state.

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+ First topic about an issue that doesn't involve his country.
idc_old_1

Khelly wrote:

Yes and I voted for Trump but Cruz won my state.
ah yes... the zodiac killer is at it again.
Yuudachi-kun

xoxo wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Yes and I voted for Trump but Cruz won my state.
ah yes... the zodiac killer is at it again.
Foxtrot
I would like him to explain who the fuck John Miller is first, though, because if it turns out to be misinformation directly from Trump himself I would be extremely disappointed

don't leave me hanging like this Trump, I wanna believe in you
abraker
Dumpstreams
Frolski

aynoz wrote:

I guess it's not a surprise, your country is ruled by a president who is against freedom of speech and journalism, so voting for another populist hatemonger who is accusing immigration for every single problems of his country is logical.


Every government wants to control society, that's why they're setting their own journalists and other media-related people working with them. Western media are making propaganda about freedom of speech in our country, because our goverment don't agree with UE immigration politics.
roshan117

Frolski wrote:

aynoz wrote:

I guess it's not a surprise, your country is ruled by a president who is against freedom of speech and journalism, so voting for another populist hatemonger who is accusing immigration for every single problems of his country is logical.


Every government wants to control society, that's why they're setting their own journalists and other media-related people working with them. Western media are making propaganda about freedom of speech in our country, because our goverment don't agree with UE immigration politics.
lol notice the weed shop in the background
Kitsunex
The southern border states have been wanting stricter border control for years now, and building a wall, it won't be 100% effective, but it's still a good barrier both physically and psychologically. If it even is built and is more than just talk, it would create a lot of jobs and I'm sure everyone can enjoy some free money by investing in concrete and rebar.

Oh, and the cost of illegal immigration in each state is just above the amount of money needed for free college [113 billion vs 70 billion]

Also, free college doesn't automatically create smart college graduates

aynoz

Frolski wrote:

aynoz wrote:

I guess it's not a surprise, your country is ruled by a president who is against freedom of speech and journalism, so voting for another populist hatemonger who is accusing immigration for every single problems of his country is logical.


Every government wants to control society, that's why they're setting their own journalists and other media-related people working with them. Western media are making propaganda about freedom of speech in our country, because our goverment don't agree with UE immigration politics.
Freedom of press is a fundamental principle of Democracy. And no, not every country want to have a propaganda agency as their national press trust me :) Sure, newspaper are sometimes for the left wing or right wing politics but they all try to relate truth as much as possible (for honest newspaper) The difference is how they write their articles, but in the end, it's the same information.

So your argument is that it's only propaganda that your press is being controlled and your liberties restricted ? So warnings from the European Union and commissioners are only propaganda ? Warnings about liberty of speech have nothing to do with the topic on migrants.

Navizel wrote:

Frolski wrote:

I'd definitely vote for him if I were American.
this tbh

Bernie and Hillary are so delusional. They just keep on pandering to tumblr and social justice it's ridiculous. It's funny how the left throw accusations that Trump is a misogynist, racist, and basically Hitler but they can't prove why. Also Hillary is a liar and you shouldn't for her just because she has a vagina or because she was a first lady.

Yes, wall would not stop all the illegal immigrants coming but it's better than losing billion of dollars which costs more than the wall.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ts-it.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... t-the-kkk/
Do I need to post other links ? Or is it propaganda also ?
I agree with the fact that people shouldn't vote for someone because of the gender, in political scene, you vote for someone who has good ideas/program. But between Hilary and trump I'd rather vote blank.

Kitsunex wrote:

The southern border states have been wanting stricter border control for years now, and building a wall, it won't be 100% effective, but it's still a good barrier both physically and psychologically. If it even is built and is more than just talk, it would create a lot of jobs and I'm sure everyone can enjoy some free money by investing in concrete and rebar.



Oh, and the cost of illegal immigration in each state is just above the amount of money needed for free college [113 billion vs 70 billion]



Also, free college doesn't automatically create smart college graduates



sources
Martin & Ruark (February 2011). "The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on US Taxpayers". FAIR.

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/02/ ... ll-it-work

https://www.aei.org/publication/how-muc ... g-tuition/
Seriously.....
Just what's the purpose on building a wall ? preventing people that are poor and dying from hunger to go in America hoping to find a low paid job and help their family ? Also mexicans that are currently working illegaly in America are doing jobs that americans citizen don't want to do, moreover their salary is below the minimal wage. They are actually quite usefull to your economy in the south states. I let you check that: http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/ ... ductivity/

And building a wall will only create jobs for a short period of time it isn't a solution.

Free college allow poor people to atleast have a decent education. Sure, not everyone is a genius but because of that system, the moment you're born you're not equal. Richer get good schools because they can pay, poors can't. Also when I hear so much people saying that migrants are only stealing works from real americans, I think it might be a good idea to supress tuition fee, just to, at least, allow the to know the fact that the WASP believing they're native american is wrong, they are justdescendant from european migrants and America was built on immigration.
Frolski

aynoz wrote:

Freedom of press is a fundamental principle of Democracy.

Democracy is one of the worsts systems. PiS (Law and Justice, our leading SOCIALISTIC/DEMOCRACY party) bought votes by supporting mothers and women by giving them around 100+$ per month for every child (or ever more WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING/ARE LIVING IN BAD CONDITIONS). And they won by doing so. Now some (not every, but amount of these people are increasing day by day) 16yo mothers (SHORTLY SAYING PATHOLOGY) are gaining more money than young working people right after universitets. You think who would pay for these people? WE! YOUNG, WORKING PEOPLE! Goverment will increase prizes for everything, oil, cigarretes, alcohol etc. etc. to gather enough money for paying maintenances I mentioned before. I don't agree with them, I hate socialism, but I respect them for having national intentions and not making Poland second France or Germany (by letting migrants come in), where women are afraid going outside, because rapist are everywhere.



BTW. did you just posted article to dailymail? Do anyone really belives shit they're writing there? You seem to be like one of these people beliving info public media says.



About Hilary Clinton: Take 2 minutes of your time and watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDqwTAYB1-w
She's just one of these socialistic liars.


>Just what's the purpose on building a wall ? preventing people that are poor and dying from hunger to go in America hoping to find a low paid job and help their family ?


They're transporting drugs and if I'm not mistaken if woman is pregnant and child will be born in USA, she can get social help/money (maintenances). These people won't work, American will work to pay for them. It's not your business to care about everyone. Every goverment should care ONLY about nation they're leading, not anyone else.

If you're such philanthropist then go to work, and after receiving first salary pay it for children in Africa, cuz they're dying from hunger :(


bcuz you are enjoying ideology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ731aR_SBY
Navizel

aynoz wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3043861/Claim-Hillary-Clinton-t-satisfy-husband-winds-Donald-Trump-s-Twitter-account-staffer-retweets-it.html
'Mr. Trump was not responsible for this tweet,' a spokesperson told Daily Mail Online.

'It was retweeted by one of ten staff members that periodically help execute on Mr. Trump’s various social media platforms.'

'As soon as Mr. Trump saw the tweet he deleted it,' the spokesperson added.
Did you even read the article? holy shit.

aynoz wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/08/what-donald-trump-doesnt-seem-to-understand-about-the-kkk/
They're really trying hard to make Trump look racist aren't they hahahahahaha

What's even the point of this
and this
Also the article is more about Trump's supporters and less about him. The two are separate but the media apparently thinks they're the same. Silence isn't the same as acknowledging racism. Honestly, your links are fucking garbage. You're trying way too hard.

aynoz wrote:

Seriously.....
Just what's the purpose on building a wall ? preventing people that are poor and dying from hunger to go in America hoping to find a low paid job and help their family ? Also mexicans that are currently working illegaly in America are doing jobs that americans citizen don't want to do, moreover their salary is below the minimal wage.
How about actually going through legal process? You know, like other legal immigrants. Just like myself. Life wasn't very good in the Philippines but we didn't illegally enter another country because of our situation.
Why are people even defending illegal immigration? It's fucking illegal. It's simple as that. Want a better life and you think going to another country solves your poverty? Go through legal process. The country you want to go to is losing billions of dollars because of people like you entering illegally.

aynoz wrote:

Free college allow poor people to atleast have a decent education. Sure, not everyone is a genius but because of that system, the moment you're born you're not equal. Richer get good schools because they can pay, poors can't. Also when I hear so much people saying that migrants are only stealing works from real americans, I think it might be a good idea to supress tuition fee, just to, at least, allow the to know the fact that the WASP believing they're native american is wrong, they are justdescendant from european migrants and America was built on immigration.
hahahahaa holy crap my sides I can't anymore
Sandy Hoey
The problem with illegal immigrations is that yes, it is illegal and should never be condined.mbut if you look at it from a humanitarian view, you have to realize that these people are running from a lot more than bad wages. Especially when we use the example of Mexico, we see that people are running to save their lives. They are not coming here to find jobs, they are coming to just be safe. Of course, that is only part of the illegal immigrants coming across the border along with peole who do have malicious intents (money, drugs). And the problem is that they can't go through the legal process since it takes too long and the main concern is the safety of themselves and their children if they have any.

Of course, this doesn't mean that what they are doing is okay, but it is something you have to consider when you lock them in the same room as a monster that will kill them and no one to protect them since the government is run (or heavily influenced) by the cartels
Yuudachi-kun
I don't think a country has any obligation to house non citizens as much as I don't have to take in the homeles men on the street corner near my house.
Sandy Hoey
Right, but what does that say about you as a person. It is a little different that your analogy because these people's lives are being threatened. If they were not forced away from their homes in order to live in somewhat safety, they wouldn't
Faust
Trump rocks the establishment boat full of liars and asshole politicians and every time they do something to smear him but fail it just shows how much these people should get out and be replaced with a team that isn't incompetent for once.

Does that not tell you something ?
I wouldn't want Hillary for sure. You can't be serious about a candidate whom you know has only motives for self-gain, and not to mention the sheer amount of shit her husband and herself are in.

And some people argue that a Wall will somehow make things shittier than they are.

My humble opinion.
Yuudachi-kun

Sandy Hoey wrote:

Right, but what does that say about you as a person. It is a little different that your analogy because these people's lives are being threatened. If they were not forced away from their homes in order to live in somewhat safety, they wouldn't

I don't think that's always the case - you can decide to move for any number of reasons including just wanting to get free shit. Mexico is also a big country, why notany other places in there? I'd also say that being homeless is still threatening if not immediately so
Sandy Hoey
Cartels are all over Mexico, and nothing is being done by the government because they are being paid off.

I do agree that there are people coming he illegally, but you can't completely count out the peopel that I talke about. Although it is near impossible to tell then apart, which is the big problem
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