F1r3tar wrote:

technically, this isn't at least 5:00 drain time since you've got over four seconds of silence after the second spinner

Pachiru wrote:

MrMenda wrote:

Seems this is coming back? (Nao's mod)

P.D.: This thread is pure gold, I loved it from the beginning to the end

he is just memeing

Yuii- wrote:

00:00:838 (1) - would rather not have this as a normal addition, too much volume for what you're mapping to. either go with soft sampleset or run a lower volume. could also not silence the sliderslider, that's quite e
also, both sliderticks and sliderslides being silent at the beginning pogchamp reduced the volume to 20%
feedback there pls
01:01:151 (3,4,5,6) - no contrast between 01:01:580 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ? hey, this was mapped in 2016!! I made the jumps smaller here and more rotational to contrast with the vertical/zigzag movement of the later jumps.
01:24:577 (2) - minor but i thought you were aiming for non-repeat vocal sliders with new combos and stuffzzz Nao convinced me otherwise,
cuz basically even tho there's a drum beat, the vocal doesn't kick in until the measure after which is what really counts in terms of rhythmic contrast here.
01:33:991 - you better lower the volume of the dumbos ticks reduced the volume to 35%
01:37:737 (6) - you'd probably say how you're trying to map it consistently with 01:36:022 (5) - but (6) sounds actually very different, both guitar, drums and vocals have a bigger prominence at the white tick. so maybe a 1/2 repeat? I'd prefer the 1/1 slider here just because the vocal is snapped rather weirdly, and I think the current bend helps capture the sound pretty well. Also the 1/1 rhythm is more consistent with the rest of the structure here.
Lastly it creates a buffer for the 1/4 kickslider section afterwards
02:13:776 (1,2,3) - too much Yea, made the jumps smaller
03:13:946 - you 5% Done

you know what to do

Monstrata wrote:

For Loctav's Love.

Strykerto wrote:

Can you explain the reasoning for AR 9.7 instead of 10, unless you want this to be a reading challenge.

You've probably mentioned why in the previous 47 pages somewhere, but fuc that

Strykerto wrote:

Can you explain the reasoning for AR 9.7 instead of 10, unless you want this to be a reading challenge.

You've probably mentioned why in the previous 47 pages somewhere, but fuc that

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

if u look through the thread ull find the answer i believe :>

Mini Gaunt wrote:

Iirc something about ar 10 being to much for the whinny upload part

Strykerto wrote:

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

if u look through the thread ull find the answer i believe :>

I'd rather have a more productive day tbh :>

Mini Gaunt wrote:

Iirc something about ar 10 being to much for the whinny upload part

This is probably the reason why, even though i think its a pretty dumb reason. Ur making 80% of the map difficult to read just so 20% is easier to read, and anyone who can pass that far can read AR 10 anyway. Basically, i find AR 9.7 pretty pointless unless you want it to be challenging to read.

I'm rambling about AR smh

Regardless, GL Monstrata with Rank!

Monstrata wrote:

To make the high bpm part even more messy. The central theme of this map is to create really messy sliders and patterns during the metal section, and then regress to my usual pretty and well-structured mapping style for the moe/anime stop stop winny upload section. So essentially, ugly section, then pretty section. Low AR's allow for more objects on the map, which contributes to more messiness in the metal section, and it makes the later half of the map less forced and more normal/acceptable/natural.

Hope that covers it. I might increase it to AR 10 again if enough people complain about the readability aspect though xD.

Linada wrote:

Finally

edit:
01:38:915 (1,2,3,4,5) - imo they don't really fit as kicksliders since they're on clear 1/2 since 01:38:058 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - are on incomprehensible screamings

yeah 👀

Hobbes2 wrote:

Hello I've come to save humanity

I actually irc'd with monstrata, but i wrote down all the points I made for clarity since it makes it easier for everyone to see whats changed without digging through a chatlog. ill let monstrata respond to this as usual so you guys can know why he rejected stuff that he did.

00:23:131 (1,2,3,4,5) - I think you could gradually make these more "ugly", (same with the later ones 00:24:842 (1,2,3,4,5) - etc etc) to ease into the "ugly" concept, instead of shooting it out all at once with 00:27:409 (1) - this mess. The vocals also kinda have that effect over time, so it would fit in that regard too. you do this later too (01:24:577 (2) -section) I think the current patterns are fine since there does need to be a reasonable baseline "structure" that gets dismantled. That said, I changed up two sliders to create small visual "hints" for the ugly stuff to come.
00:31:903 (3) - 00:31:475 (1,2,4) - are all quite clear in that the movement is downward, but because is particularly smooshed, i'd make 3 a bit more linear (while still ugly of course xd) Hmmm yea true, the movement is shorter compared to the others. Made the slider more straight.
00:36:111 - thought it weird that you skipped this vocal but the next measure maps it (00:37:715 (2,3,4)) The next measure is more intense and i'd like to create a rhythmic build up too. Next measure the pitch is noticeably higher and more stressed.
00:43:260 (5,1) - could be emphasized better, compared to these other downbeats yea
00:48:192 (3) - recommend splitting this into two, I like the repeat itself for the scream (+ the guitar is a bit more intense), but like the other guitar sounds, there's two of them on each white tick. so like things on 00:46:484 (3,4), etc, two repeat sliders would fit better here. like - Mmmm sure I can do that. Was mapping to the guitar whirring sound in the back, but i split it onto two 1/4 repeats in the later section so fixed this.
https://puu.sh/wP0rU/189f2a99b4.jpg
^Regarding this, it might also make sense to do it for the ones at like 00:29:347 (5), 00:31:049 (5), etc, since the guitar sound is the same. I think the sounds are different like, the guitar isn't as pronounced, and the hold is quite reasonable considering the density of instruments here and that buzzing sound at the back.
00:52:107 (1) - could be broken into circle+1/2 slider, consistent with...the rest of them in the area lol Yea i agree. Kept this originally because the vocal wasn't as pronounced.
00:53:096 (2) - this slider could be curved upward instead, its not a huge change but this would improve the flow from 1-2-3 in terms of allowing for better slider leniency. pretty optional lol Oh, yea good point
01:40:629 (1,2) - this gonna sound dumb but make 01:40:629 (1) - uglier than 2 because 1 still has the nasty screaming vocal whereas 2 goes back to the other one LOL okay sure.
01:46:197 (3,1) - move these closer? would be better for playability because of the timing. side note, 01:50:506 (3,1) - has a similar issue but the timing isnt as bad so..up to you on this one. same with 01:52:047 (3,1) - Yea, fixed these, ur right the timing makes the rhythm less predictable so lowering spacing helps players have more breathing room.
01:47:749 - shouldnt there be something mapped here? you skipped a sound in the guitar lol. not a lot of time until the offset shift so i can understand not mapping this tho, just wanna make sure its intentional The problem here is theres really not enough time to put something there and still expect players to click the next note, the rhythm isn't predictable due to the weirt timing. When pishi timed this he also recommended not mapping this and instead putting a larger spacing gap here to counteract the gap so thats basically what I did.
02:50:117 (2) - too clean, its part of the "ugly" combo and should be ugly made it ugly
02:55:471 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - I recommend starting this sequence on the top left, (so like 02:55:682 (1,2) - would be the first in the pattern), biggets reason is that the momentum the player has from 02:53:686 (1) - this super fast movement is better transitioned into the jump pattern if the first jumps are parallel to the slider. hope this makes sense lol, as it is now the momentum is kinda lost in the sharp switch in the angle. I think the current angle is quite reasonable... The player ihas a really fast downward movement built up from the repeat slider so the jump downward should be natural.
Also it sets up a nice angle for the final 3 jumps. Ehh... I can get some testplays if you think its a problem.

I think the current angle is quite reasonable... The player ihas a really fast downward movement built up from the repeat slider so the jump downward should be natural.
Also it sets up a nice angle for the final 3 jumps. Ehh... I can get some testplays if you think its a problem.

Hobbes2 wrote:

I think the current angle is quite reasonable... The player ihas a really fast downward movement built up from the repeat slider so the jump downward should be natural.
Also it sets up a nice angle for the final 3 jumps. Ehh... I can get some testplays if you think its a problem.

eh. the repeat slider kinda 'trains' the player with the really fast up down motion so it makes more sense for the first jump to also be up down. sure the movement to the first pair of 1-2 follows this motion, but then the turn after kinda wastes the momentum if that makes any sense.

Hobbes2 wrote:

one last thing, I'd appreciate a higher OD (even 9.7, if not 10). not really sure why yours is so low, read the thread and didnt really see a good explanation.

EDIT - and i gotta check your changes lol
EDIT2 - also, could you reply to yuii in full? makes it easier for transparency and stuff

Naotoshi wrote:

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