Sliproads wrote:

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Just a few suggestions : ) Sorry for the long wait, I scanned the whole map and while doing it I must say it's very creative and you've done a good job so good luck on this.

- I recommend moving 00:15:989 (2) - to here: http://puu.sh/pP3CJ/2504a608c1.png, it seems to flow better this way imo. moved a bit further down because spacing it this close might be a bit confusing
- The stream at 00:28:876 (1,2,3,4,5) - while all the other streams are irregular shapes, this one is just triangular. Try changing it to something like this: http://puu.sh/pP42S/aef534634c.png actually all the shapes in this particular section are made of 2-circle line segments, it's just not as noticable because of the angles. think i'm going to change that though and make all of them more irregular
- Personally, I would change 01:36:058 (1) - so it's pointing down like this, http://puu.sh/pP4gb/a44e5894de.png, but that's up to you - it just looks better like this if you ask me. ctrl-g'd instead
- Consider changing 03:29:925 (1,1,1,1) - into a pattern, straight lines are boring. since it's the second time this is mentioned, did a small zigzag; reasons for nothing bigger explained in HML's response
- Add some shape to these sliders: 05:04:558 (1,2,3,4) - all 2x SV kicksliders in this map are straight (and all other sliders aren't) for easier readability
- Separate 05:29:043 (6) - from the stream right before it. yeah i guess that might be annoying to read

That's all I can think of right now. The map fits the song nicely so well done on that, and good luck : )

_MiaoFUuU_ wrote:

NM

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THALL

1. 00:01:200 (3,4,5) - i suggest these slider don't put so far,rhythm is hard to feel
2. 00:03:735 (3,4,5) - ↑
3. 00:07:115 (3,4,5) - ↑
4. 00:09:651 (3,4,5,3,4,5) - ↑ feels very noticable to me, the high bends really stick out of the monotonous 16ths, therefore i mapped them at a relatively high spacing
5. 00:32:573 (2) - i think this slider you can take it to 00:32:256 (1) - end i want all 3 of these notes to be clickable so no, but i noticed i should silence the end of this
6. 02:03:311 (2,3) - you can use slider instead of it
7. 02:06:269 (2,3) - ↑
8. 02:09:016 (2,3) - ↑
9. 02:17:255 (2,3) - ↑ i can but why? circles make more sense to me since the sound is fairly attack-heavy and not very sustained
10. 03:42:720 - why only one eye light XD? you can make the other eye light! the other one isn't visible though?
11. 04:24:190 (3,4,1) - you can try this ryhthm https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5543686 (and Back the same) my reasoning for the rhythm choices in this section is given in Wishkey's response, i don't see what your suggestion would follow
12. 04:52:094 (4) - you forget the sound of white line https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5543702 makes sense
13. 04:56:837 - plz end on this place makes sense

good luck！

transcendental wrote:

ayyyy thall

sweet song man I like it a lot

ok mod now

THALL

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tickrate 2 would help with reading the SV changes especially big ones like 02:58:029 (5,1) oh i like that, won't be visible on the tiny slow sliders but should be good for teaching players what to expect depending on slider shape

low AR is cool but I'd still bump it up a bit, maybe 8.6 or 8.8 or so upon popular request, 8.6 it is

acc is hard. OD8 could probably be fine. 8.3 for now, gonna have to fight me for my settings :^)

00:33:523 (1,1,1,1) - this pattern has kinda awkward flow. a zigzag like this would play better. nice rhombus seems a bit geometric anyway i guess
00:40:918 - clickable object here? you could just have 00:41:129 (1,2,3) extend backwards a bit thats actually two triplet notes starting at 00:40:989 - so unless you suggest a way to make that readable i'm keeping this
02:33:311 (2) - make this a 1/2 beat repeat slider to capture the drum hit at 02:33:522 ? made a slider and a circle on the head of the next slider instead
02:34:790 - clickable object? maybe a slider extending to 02:35:107 to capture both the drum hits these seem very weak, so i prefer the pause to emphasize the new section after a bit more
02:37:959 (2,3) - add clickable object at 02:38:065, just make this a triple
02:41:762 (2,3) - ^ other people wanted more variety here, so that solves that too for now
02:46:621 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this increase in spacing for emphasis is really good, but in general for the rotating jump pattern I'd have a bit more variance in spacing. reduce the spacing on the previous jumps to make this increase more noticeable, right now it's easily missed. done, hope it was enough because any more and i'll have to see how to avoid overlaps between the distinct triangles without remapping
03:29:925 (1,1,1,1) - make these jumps? maybe zigzag like this? jumps on popular request
03:33:896 - clickable object here?
03:37:425 - ^ i'd like to keep the constant dotted rhythm to emphasize the slowness of this part and the slowdown from the previous section, so i map only to guitar in this part

sweet map, I like it a lot. good luck!

KuroRyu wrote:

m4m

THALL

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General :

I highly suggest you to change AR to 9.5 142bpm ar9.5 uwotm8

00:33:666 (1,1,1) - Hm maybe combo these? Like, 1,2,3... combo colors are intended to make it easier to read that this is a triplet rhythm
00:34:580 (2) - You should NC this I think. Not because there is a special sound but because of the break before. done
00:39:016 (1) - Remove NC here, and NC here instead : 00:39:227 (3) - /that sound is more dominant) the nc is on the dominant beat
02:06:058 (1,2,3) - Hm, those jumps dont really fit here imo, Especially the second one, isn't really on a dominant beat. Maybe think about mapping somethign with sliders here instead? mapped consistently with the rest of related patterns in the section
02:22:114 (4) - I think you should remove the finish here, starting a stream with a finish sound sound a bit weird i hitsound finish to cymbal hits and there is one here
02:35:213 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Are you the new monstrata? Imo there are too many triangles in the beginning, I cant really tell you what else to map, but I would map it not that repetitive. The end tho is fine when the triangles get noticebly bigger. That fits to the vocals. But before i really woudl recomemdn you to make it a bit more varied, use starjumps, use sliders etc..
02:53:804 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - From here the same thing, the triangles before are acceptable but from here its way to much. Its not much intensifiying so the triangles are a bit to big imo. Overmap. Either use a different shape of jumps (stars, zigzack, custom) or reduce distance between them drastically. However I'd recommend not to map this with triangles only. alright so two points: a) any other grouping than 3 makes no sense whatsoever since the entire section consists only of 3-note arpeggios in the guitar; i wanted to emphasize this regularity. i already added some variety with transcendental's mod so i'll leave it at that for now. b) the intensity really builds up a lot here in my view into the drop before the kiai section, so i want this to get very intense
i did reduce the spacing increase by just a bit (~7.5% lower spacing on the last triangle) though
03:05:213 (3,4,1) - Reduce distance, especially after such a slow sldier the palyer isnt really prepared for this big jumps. Imo. i don't agree with your judgement, the spacing is consistent with the rest of the jumps in this section
03:09:860 (3) - I think an NC would fit here nicely, not very dominant sound, but the start of the stream and the white tick kinda suggest an NC here imo. added to be consistent with the repeat of this pattern at 03:22:642 -
03:12:607 (3,4,5) - The drums are not strong enough to map big jumps here imo, would do some slider stuff. Or sldier-circle-slider
03:18:734 (3,4,1) - ^ i am mapping to guitar here, and it is consistent with the rest of the section
03:29:925 (1,1,1,1) - I'd NC them so its 1,2,3,4, instead of 1,1,1,1 kidna fits here better imo. as previously mentioned, this is for readability
03:37:425 - Here should be something, you are skipping the snare, place a slider/circle here! reasons for undermapping here explained in transcendental's response above
05:00:366 (1,2,3) - Hm, kinda weird palced those especially if you consider the jump from the 3 to the stream. Flows a bit weird imo. Try sth liek this ( http://puu.sh/pTTvA/4e8a18b32b.jpg , I placed the 3 at the position where the 6-slider ended) crtl-g'd and rotated the burst, thnk that should fix the flow
05:01:028 (4) - Maybe NC maybe not, if anything the more dominant beat for an nc would be on 7 but that would just look weird
05:07:866 (6,1,2) - I'd recommend to recude the distance between those a bit, that jump is a bit overmapped imo rotated the slider to point the end more towards the right direction
05:30:146 (1,2,3,4,5) - I wouldnt map a stream here, there aren't any heavy drum hits here, maybe some sldiers? mapped to guitar and (you can probably guess at this point) consistent with the rest of the section

Paddington wrote:

Allright I'm keeping it short and clean. These are just my suggestions. What you will change is up to you.

02:30:881 (7,1,2) - : the stream is slightly missspaced fixed along with a few other minor stream spacing issues in this section

02:35:213 (1,2,3,1) - : the triangles could use more distance, but yet again i think that the end triangles would be too wide spread if you'd do that answered it yourself

03:01:621 (6,7,8,9) - : these stream could be parallel, the only downside is that's too regular lot of alignment going on with these, plus the second set is also not parallel so i'd want to leave both at angles to each other

05:57:940 (3) - : that circle would be nice, if stacked on the slider (cause of sliderbreaks :^) ) makes more sense for consistency, shuffled some things around and changed the slider shape for 200% more alignment with objects that aren't on screen at the same time anyway because that's what i do

That would be it for my suggestions. Pls list me as mod :^)

Fanteer wrote:

HI
M4M

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AR 9
00:00:355 (3,4,5,6,7) - crooked stream
00:02:995 (4,5,6) - ^
00:03:312 (7,8,1) - ^
00:04:580 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^
I don't want to mention anymore in this pattern. yeah that's kinda the entire idea of this map
00:09:227 (7) - fix spacing fixed
00:14:721 (1) - Put on x135 y67 why? i use autostacking for this kind of patterns consistently, i see no reason to manually stack there
00:16:411 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - 00:14:932 (2,3,4,5,6) - 00:19:791 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
I see no reason to do a large spacings. it's 5 stars i want to make this somewhat more intense than the stream section before so i use higher spacing. the spacing is about the same as in the other sections based on short streams
00:33:666 (2,3,4) - remove NC NC for reading purposes, see previous mod responses
01:59:297 (1,2,3) - why such big jump ?
02:03:100 (1,2,3) - ^
02:06:058 (1,2,3) - ^
I don't want to mention anymore in this pattern. good point, since this section is calmer i reduced the spacing on the jumps
03:30:072 (2,3,4) - remove Nc. I dont know why you set NC reading

Work above streams
Good Luck

1. add Måsstaden to tags (album name)
2. was gonna ask about the diffname but thanks google
3. 00:00:989 (1) - i'm not really understanding the nc pattern you have. I would've liked to emphasize the guitar with the nc. So in simplicity i would swap nc's with 00:00:989 (1,3) - (applies to all others too)
4. 00:05:214 (1) - putting this much of a twist in the stream seems kinda out of place here. Putting it at places like 00:06:059 (1) - where there is a snare drum would seem better. I know reworking streams is a lot of work but that's the point
5. 00:12:607 (7,8,1,2) - i would've expected something epic to emphasize the change in drumbeat. Also playing around with the hitsound volume is a great way to emphasize snares that aren't as powerful as some
6. 00:13:665 (1) - the finish-hitsound you have here seems really out of place. And tbh I have no idea what you're hitsounding with that
7. 00:25:918 (5,6,7,8,9) - these twists are kinda inconsistent since you didn't do it in the streams before
8. 00:29:510 - would've expected a 1/6 repeat slider at least
9. 00:32:256 (1,2) - hear how these sounds differ? wouldn't (1) work better as a circle?
10. 00:33:523 (1,1,1,1) - this felt kinda sudden when playing but i've done stuff that's even worse lol
11. 00:40:918 - the 1/6 slider (or is it even 1/6 i didn't check properly)
12. 00:45:143 (5) - tbh i think you should just put the kickslider on the blue tick cause if the song is weird so is your map. Also I would swap the nc's on the snares so you emphasize them with the nc
13. 00:54:650 (1,1) - make these not overlap lol
14. 01:11:128 (3) - *cries in pain*
15. 01:38:593 (1) - my mind's telling me that you should make the spinnerend a circle. Also why not add a flash there to the sb?
16. 01:53:593 (1,2) - remember how i talked about playing with the hitsound volumes? Yea you could use that trick here. Notice how 01:53:699 (2) - is a much stronger snare hit than 01:53:593 (1) -
17. 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - this and 01:55:494 (1,2,3,4) - having the same spacing is kinda odd since 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - are obviously more powerful
18. 01:56:234 (1) - there is no need for a blue tick nc here i think
19. 01:57:185 (1) - i would've made the sliderend clickable cause it's a strong BASS sound BASS BASS BASS (djent) guitars are also bass "encore": bass
20. 02:01:516 (1) - hm this nc is also kinda odd since there is a snare on the previous sliderend and by making that clickable your nc could make a lot more sense here. (I mean that you should make the sliderend clickable and nc that)
21. 02:06:692 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/q0oIl/200c4bfd1c.jpg ?
22. 02:11:762 - wow nice beat
23. 02:18:100 (5) - yea remember when i spoke about those 1/6 repeat sliders? yea it's better to leave them out in places like this
24. 02:20:847 (1) - the lack of emphasis for kicks and other drum sounds in this stream part makes me sad. (though it's ok to only give snares and such the emphasis dw)
25. 02:21:692 (1) - the same nc thing i pointed out at the start
26. 02:24:754 (5) - how about making the blue tick clickable and then the red tick a 1/6 repeat slider? This is only 142bpm so it shouldn't be that hard to hit the next thing. Or if you wanna just emphasize that tom hit with that kickslider that's cool too
27. 02:24:966 (1,2) - nc swap
28. 02:33:945 (4) - this should be emphasized with spacing
29. 02:34:895 - and 02:35:107 - have snares on them
30. 02:35:213 (1) - though i have particularly nothing big to say about this circle part, it would've probably been more interesting if you had followed the drums
31. 02:56:339 (5) - oh yea you should decrease sv in places like this since the song is much much calmer than it was at 02:55:072 (4) -
32. 03:01:198 (2) - this circle is overmapped (repeats)
33. 03:09:860 (1) - maybe adding a combo color for 1/6 would be a good idea
34. 03:37:425 - why o why
35. 03:42:720 (1) - this sb lol
36. 04:50:660 (1) - following vocals is kinda odd tbh cause of the drums and the bass and suddenly changing the instrument you follow is bad
37. 05:31:249 (2) - *cries in pain again*
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Maakkeli wrote:

yo!!!!!

not a big fan of the djent genre myself but this was pretty good actually

is the band's name vildhjarta or vildhjärta since i know that hjärta is swedish and means heart
as far as i understand it it comes from vildhjärta but they dropped the ä because reasons, probably the inverse of motörhead or something idk.
everything i have related to the band says vildhjarta so i'm pretty sure that's right

don't get scared of my mods lenght it's mostly just pretty minor stuff (i think) but you repeat same stuff many times so i advise you to fix similar problems after you fix (or idk if you think that my suggestions are absolutely crap) these it doesn't even look that scary i expected to be completely ripped apart tbh

thallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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1. add Måsstaden to tags (album name) done
2. was gonna ask about the diffname but thanks google
3. 00:00:989 (1) - i'm not really understanding the nc pattern you have. I would've liked to emphasize the guitar with the nc. So in simplicity i would swap nc's with 00:00:989 (1,3) - (applies to all others too) was just nc every halfnote but that's kinda cool i'll go with that
4. 00:05:214 (1) - putting this much of a twist in the stream seems kinda out of place here. Putting it at places like 00:06:059 (1) - where there is a snare drum would seem better. I know reworking streams is a lot of work but that's the point i'll look at reworking these over the weekend, luckily i don't have to worry about the streams looking smooth after hehe
5. 00:12:607 (7,8,1,2) - i would've expected something epic to emphasize the change in drumbeat. not sure exactly what you're trying to go for but spaced it out a bit more for now i guess Also playing around with the hitsound volume is a great way to emphasize snares that aren't as powerful as some not sure if that's what you were hinting at but i dropped the volume towards the end of the drumfill. also lowered volume for the entire intro part because i actually wanted to do that for a while but forgot
6. 00:13:665 (1) - the finish-hitsound you have here seems really out of place. And tbh I have no idea what you're hitsounding with that i hitsound all cymbals with finished usually cause finish is a cymbal and that just makes sense to me also do you mean the sample or just the finish in general cause i'm still looking for a decent cymbal for normal-finish1 and don't actually have a sample in for that yet
7. 00:25:918 (5,6,7,8,9) - these twists are kinda inconsistent since you didn't do it in the streams before straightened out all twists not on something interesting
8. 00:29:510 - would've expected a 1/6 repeat slider at least yeah the thing about this one is that it's actually nothing on the red tick, only the two triplets after and that would just be kinda unreadable
9. 00:32:256 (1,2) - hear how these sounds differ? wouldn't (1) work better as a circle? hm, they are both held so i'd like to keep them as sliders but i might emphasize the unmuting with a higher sv on (2)
10. 00:33:523 (1,1,1,1) - this felt kinda sudden when playing but i've done stuff that's even worse lol it's also kinda sudden when listening so i think it kinda fits, also i find it decently readable with the radical ncing
11. 00:40:918 - the 1/6 slider (or is it even 1/6 i didn't check properly) see above
12. 00:45:143 (5) - tbh i think you should just put the kickslider on the blue tick cause if the song is weird so is your map. yay for weird songs and yeah i was actually unsure of how to map this and went for the nicer variant but if you say so i'll use the less nice one Also I would swap the nc's on the snares so you emphasize them with the nc cool
13. 00:54:650 (1,1) - make these not overlap lol done
14. 01:11:128 (3) - *cries in pain* yeah sometimes i focus so much on the instrument guitar i'm mapping to that i forget to listen for drums whoops
15. 01:38:593 (1) - my mind's telling me that you should make the spinnerend a circle. Also why not add a flash there to the sb? oh i like that, will have a look at what i can do with my elements later
16. 01:53:593 (1,2) - remember how i talked about playing with the hitsound volumes? Yea you could use that trick here. Notice how 01:53:699 (2) - is a much stronger snare hit than 01:53:593 (1) - done
17. 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - this and 01:55:494 (1,2,3,4) - having the same spacing is kinda odd since 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - are obviously more powerful will have a closer look if anything else would make more sense at a higher spacing. i don't want to go too crazy though since this is a relatively calm and flowing part with the clean vox and all
18. 01:56:234 (1) - there is no need for a blue tick nc here i think you were doing so well with not majorly messing up my colorhax so far )
19. 01:57:185 (1) - i would've made the sliderend clickable cause it's a strong BASS sound BASS BASS BASS (djent) guitars are also bass "encore": bass
20. 02:01:516 (1) - hm this nc is also kinda odd since there is a snare on the previous sliderend and by making that clickable your nc could make a lot more sense here. (I mean that you should make the sliderend clickable and nc that) yeahwill look for a few more of those but i'd like to keep patterns like 01:58:663 (1,2) - intact though since i want to emphasize the held note but and if i made the end clickable on these it would just turn into a kickslider and meh
21. 02:06:692 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/q0oIl/200c4bfd1c.jpg ? that's pretty cool, fits neatly around the slider the previous pattern was too. probably should've just remapped when i realized it needed more sounds in the first place instead of ducttaping in a slider
22. 02:11:762 - wow nice beat not sure if i wanna map that since i focus heavily on guitar and this is weak enough that i didn't notice it the first time around
23. 02:18:100 (5) - yea remember when i spoke about those 1/6 repeat sliders? yea it's better to leave them out in places like this k
24. 02:20:847 (1) - the lack of emphasis for kicks and other drum sounds in this stream part makes me sad. (though it's ok to only give snares and such the emphasis dw) gonna have more of a look at this when i have more of a time
25. 02:21:692 (1) - the same nc thing i pointed out at the start changed, 02:26:762 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - not because tom groupings
26. 02:24:754 (5) - how about making the blue tick clickable and then the red tick a 1/6 repeat slider? This is only 142bpm so it shouldn't be that hard to hit the next thing. Or if you wanna just emphasize that tom hit with that kickslider that's cool too think i'll keep it this way, it's just the two later triplets again so it'd kinda be mapping the slider head to guitar and then swapping instruments so meh
27. 02:24:966 (1,2) - nc swap .
28. 02:33:945 (4) - this should be emphasized with spacing did something
29. 02:34:895 - and 02:35:107 - have snares on them as i said previously somewhere i'd rather not map these because they're really weak to just emphasize the beginning of the next section a bit more with the longer pause
30. 02:35:213 (1) - though i have particularly nothing big to say about this circle part, it would've probably been more interesting if you had followed the drums it's also the most boring part (guitar-wise) of the song besides the clean parts so that is kinda intended
31. 02:56:339 (5) - oh yea you should decrease sv in places like this since the song is much much calmer than it was at 02:55:072 (4) - yeah forgot about that, i did reduce volume and change color as you might have noticed
32. 03:01:198 (2) - this circle is overmapped (repeats) oh dear now i have to figure out how to make that readable... i guess worst case i could try to talk my way out of it with the vocal note that falls on that beat maybe
33. 03:09:860 (1) - maybe adding a combo color for 1/6 would be a good idea i tried to make them readable with the tiny spacing, finding another color that both fits in into the pallette and is easy to notice is gonna be hard, plus i already have no slots left anymore... yeah not gonna be easy, but i'll think about it
34. 03:37:425 - why o why alright alrigth ill map the drums in this part too
35. 03:42:720 (1) - this sb lol was originally just gonna be the glowing eye like in the first one but i got bored and was messing around a bit and then this happened
36. 04:50:660 (1) - following vocals is kinda odd tbh cause of the drums and the bass and suddenly changing the instrument you follow is bad yeah will probably remap that, originally did that because i thought the same pattern for 40s straight would be a bit too boring, but i never really was happy with it
37. 05:31:249 (2) - *cries in pain again* not sure what you mean with that
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Ok so if I make it to BN next round you can call me to check this map again (well you can call me to check it again even if i don't make it LOL). I didn't list all the things i wanted to say (cause i would repeat myself over and over) and i probably missed something too so I will go over this map with you then. I didn't check your timing yet (cause i'm lazy) and i kinda skipped checking all the hitsounds (cause i'm still lazy).
Interesting concept

mrturtle99 wrote:

M4M

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00:26:341 (9) - I think you should NC this, since it follows basically the same pattern as 00:23:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - just without the extra sixteenth notes. Or take the NC off of 00:24:651 (1) - since it's just a snare hit in the same measure as the rest of the rhythm. One of those two things. did the latter

To me it sounds like 00:30:566 (9) - is held out to 00:30:777 (1) - , so maybe put the NC on 00:30:566 (9) - (also it's on a new measure) and take it off 00:30:777 (1) - , or just replace 00:30:566 (9,1) - with a slider. sound like a heavy palm mute like the others to me, keeping the consistent pattern

00:33:523 (1,1,1,1) - Ok, the 1/3 section here just feels awkward to play. It doesn't really give indication that it is 1/3, and I don't see why they are all NC. So my suggestion is take the NC off of 00:33:666 (1,1) - (leave it on 00:33:946 (1) - because it's a new measure), and rearrange the notes so they look like a 1/3 pattern, because right now it looks like 1/2 jumps. the indication that they're triplets is the nc. would be nicer if the other one of those were first to teach the player cause that one's much easier but that's not how the song goes. also not sure how a triplet pattern looks, in this map they look like this though

00:39:650 (7) - after this and through 00:40:284 (3) - you can hear the drums playing sixteenth notes, so consider adding notes for that (unless you're just mapping the guitar part here, in which case ignore this suggestion) i am mapping to guitar here but thats a pretty good idea so i'll try out some stuff

You can also add a 1/6 slider from 00:40:989 to 00:41:059 because I can hear drums hitting that part. not too keen on that because it would be painful to read properly

01:08:593 (1) - can shorten this slider to 01:08:875 (so it's on the 1/6) and add a circle at 01:08:945 to match the drum rhythm.

01:15:248 (2) - same idea as above. that's pretty cool actually

01:17:678 (1) - move spinner one tick mark closer to 01:17:466 (1) - so it starts immediately after the circle. Having it where it is now creates a weird pause that shouldn't be there.

01:20:002 (1,1) - same as above why not

02:10:494 (1) - So here you should take the NC off because it has the same sound as 02:10:072 (1) - and you should then NC 02:10:706 (3) - because it's a different sound and the start of a new measure. would somewhat make sense but it looks terrible, had that originally

02:10:706 (3) - from here to 02:20:424 (2) - there's some 1/6 drum beats that could be mapped. Not gonna point them all out because I'm just gonna say the same thing about all of them. probably not mapped because a) not easy to pick up and b) pain to read

02:55:494 (1) - I think since you go to the darker combo colors here you should also dim the bg like you did in the other soft spots. might do just a slight dim but i want to keep that mostly reserved for the clean parts. the color change is mostly to overexaggerate the drop

03:08:593 (5,1,2) - So this part right here is just an incorrect rhythm. 03:09:121 (1) - should be either two circles at 1/6 or a 1/6 slider, because the only instrument that plays at that part is drums at 2 1/6 notes, and guitar comes in on 03:09:227 (2) - , so ya, do that. oh yeah

03:11:551 (5) - On this slider it sounds like all instruments play 2 sixteenth notes and hold the second one out, so maybe put a circle at the start of the slider and then shorten the slider by one tick mark so it ends at the same place but starts at 03:11:656 yup

03:13:241 (1) - Same as above not sure about this one since it's on one of the high sv parts and that's just gonna be annoying

03:29:925 (1,1,1) - So I don't actually have a problem with this 1/3 pattern like I do the other, but I don't think all of them should be NC. reading etc, see above

03:34:006 (6) - So here there is a drum hit on the beat before at the measure start 03:33:896 that should also be NC. added but not nced since i nc by breaks in this section, the rhythm is made up and the measures don't matter here

05:46:101 So there are more 1/6 drum beats. Add them maybe.maybe not, for reasons mentioned previously

Welp, that's all I got, hopefully didn't over-emphasize my points.
482 timing sections hahaha that's cute 490 now :>

Zhuriel wrote:

thallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

1. 00:12:607 (7,8,1,2) - i would've expected something epic to emphasize the change in drumbeat. not sure exactly what you're trying to go for but spaced it out a bit more for now i guess Also playing around with the hitsound volume is a great way to emphasize snares that aren't as powerful as some not sure if that's what you were hinting at but i dropped the volume towards the end of the drumfill. also lowered volume for the entire intro part because i actually wanted to do that for a while but forgot - yea more spacing should be fine but forget that hitsound volume thing it doesn't really work here mb
2. 00:13:665 (1) - the finish-hitsound you have here seems really out of place. And tbh I have no idea what you're hitsounding with that i hitsound all cymbals with finished usually cause finish is a cymbal and that just makes sense to me also do you mean the sample or just the finish in general cause i'm still looking for a decent cymbal for normal-finish1 and don't actually have a sample in for that yet - yea i meant the sample
3. 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - this and 01:55:494 (1,2,3,4) - having the same spacing is kinda odd since 01:54:438 (1,2,3) - are obviously more powerful will have a closer look if anything else would make more sense at a higher spacing. i don't want to go too crazy though since this is a relatively calm and flowing part with the clean vox and all - you can just lower the ds for those guitar 1/4's and it should be fine
4. 02:01:516 (1) - hm this nc is also kinda odd since there is a snare on the previous sliderend and by making that clickable your nc could make a lot more sense here. (I mean that you should make the sliderend clickable and nc that) yeahwill look for a few more of those but i'd like to keep patterns like 01:58:663 (1,2) - intact though since i want to emphasize the held note but and if i made the end clickable on these it would just turn into a kickslider and meh - i would just fix the ones that end on snares
5. 03:01:198 (2) - this circle is overmapped (repeats) oh dear now i have to figure out how to make that readable... i guess worst case i could try to talk my way out of it with the vocal note that falls on that beat maybe - lol good luck
6. 05:31:249 (2) - *cries in pain again* not sure what you mean with that - the drums

MisterDinner wrote:

nm, the slow streams really give me that cancer u kno, its good cancer its challenging dw. ikr

epik mode

did you use ds, because i see really weird spacing multipliers here. about equal amounts of ds, eyeballed ds and "who cares about ds".
in a lot of places i intentionally ignore or bend ds either to reinforce the warped look or to align objects with each other
00:33:524 (2) - make the pattern something like this, just make the last note farther than the rest in some way if you dont.
that's literally the exact pattern that was in the first version lol
did try something to space it more though
01:17:572 (1) - silence the end of this there's a bass drum hit here so no
02:13:240 (1,2,3) - 2 should be the emphasized one if you listen to the pitch
02:17:044 (1,2,3) - here as well you should space 2 out more to emphasize did both of those

the 1/8 stream and triples should be removed, theyre way too fast for the star level, theyre faster than image material. (image material adds up to 1040, these add up to 1136, and the streams are what kill the pros in im) that's 1/6 snap actually, which is a lot slower and also only bursts not streams which is an entirely different issue anyway
besides, i don't take star rating into account when mapping, if the song has fast bursts then those might end up in the map
03:36:653 (3,4) - these 2 notes are the same pitch, keep the spacing consistent. done, more or less
04:27:940 (1,2) - these 2 should also be the same ds as the previous note
ex notes like these 04:27:719 (5) - should have much larger spacing because it is a snare hit, this should apply to everything of this nature, otherwise ds should be consistent. this section is mostly distance snapped except for alignment reasons, and i don't feel the differences are big enough to make a noticable impact while playing, so i'll leave it at that for now
05:59:484 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - okay no. thats gonna cause unnecessary greens, misses, or even cause people to fail the map. wot. that's not even the hardest burst in the map, even i can hit those consistently

never seen something like this, gj, break the meta m8 i try

1. 00:00:144 (1,2,3,4,5) - you have an edge on 3 in this part of the stream but not 7 while they're basically the same rhythm, which makes the shape appear quit arbitrary and messy.
   
   
2. 00:02:256 (5,6,7,8,1) - not very nice looking. if nothing specific in the song calls for it, it is prefered when the notes in a stream pattern have the same angles between each other. (or in/decreasing in a consistent manner, but that is rarely pulled off ina good way) something like this look much more proper and appealing imo http://puu.sh/r18eZ/e91618ae7b.jpg
   
   
3. 00:05:425 (3) - 00:06:270 (3) - also here you have an edge on 3, which isn't the case on any of the previous 5note sequences in the same stream.. actually after listening to it like 50 times i think i can hear why you put them.. you could definitely make them flow better however. 00:05:530 (4,5,6) - this one for example implies a direction change, which you immediately kill off again at the next tick. you don't let the stream build up any flow, changing directions constantly, making it impossible to get a proper structure. so it ends up as an unconstructed mess, a formless worm of notes, even if the sounds in the music are represented in the movement. it's basically a case of tunnevisioning a local pattern without taking it's surroundings into account. this goes for many streams throughout the map really, quite the basic thing to pay attention to. you do a better job at this when jumps and larger spacings are involved.
   
   
4. 01:12:819 (2) - now, i'm anything but an expert at slider, but what i have to say on these kinds of sliders is, that they aren't really visually pleasing. i get the impression, that they're supposed to express a sort of shattered, broken up visual with all those red anker points. while that is a good enough idea, the execution doesn't quite live up to it. it looks mostly random, especially in correlation to other objects. this one for example 01:09:861 (1,2,3) - has a better visual effect, even if still not exactly optimal, since the sliders interact with each other while still maintaining the same expression. it's basically the same point as on the streams really.
   
   
5. 01:54:438 (1,2,3,4) - also here, you don't let the song take any momentum in for of flow, just try to put 3 in position x5 y200 and see how it changes the movement in a way that keeps the momentum of the movement going. this is just one example that doesn't even pay attention to spacing to show the concept.

Deramok wrote:

SPOILER

as you probably can guess i don't really like the song.. but i wanted to practice some modding, so whatever.
oh man i almost feel bad now, you really didn't have to

1. 00:00:144 (1,2,3,4,5) - you have an edge on 3 in this part of the stream but not 7 while they're basically the same rhythm, which makes the shape appear quit arbitrary and messy.
   smoothed out the curve on 3 and curved the second half a bit, that is a bit inconsistent partially because i wasn't sure what exactly i was going to do with the concept at that point
   
2. 00:02:256 (5,6,7,8,1) - not very nice looking. if nothing specific in the song calls for it, it is prefered when the notes in a stream pattern have the same angles between each other. (or in/decreasing in a consistent manner, but that is rarely pulled off ina good way) something like this look much more proper and appealing imo http://puu.sh/r18eZ/e91618ae7b.jpg
   here's where the fundamental concept for this map comes in: i don't want it to look proper and appealing. the song sounds very raw and unrefined and i want this to be reflected in the map, i even went over some streams after the fact because they were too regular.
   so what i'm trying to say is this is something i am very reluctant to change because it goes against the aesthetic concept of the map
   
3. 00:05:425 (3) - 00:06:270 (3) - also here you have an edge on 3, which isn't the case on any of the previous 5note sequences in the same stream.. actually after listening to it like 50 times i think i can hear why you put them.. you could definitely make them flow better however. 00:05:530 (4,5,6) - this one for example implies a direction change, which you immediately kill off again at the next tick. you don't let the stream build up any flow, changing directions constantly, making it impossible to get a proper structure. so it ends up as an unconstructed mess, a formless worm of notes, even if the sounds in the music are represented in the movement. it's basically a case of tunnevisioning a local pattern without taking it's surroundings into account. this goes for many streams throughout the map really, quite the basic thing to pay attention to. you do a better job at this when jumps and larger spacings are involved.
   so first the specifics you point out: 00:05:425 (3) - is intended to be played as one curve, not as a turn on 3; the intentionally added irregularity just makes it look like a shallow angle
   00:05:530 (4,5,6) - here the intention is (actually for more or less the entire section) that every group of 4 circles is aimed separately, to reinforce the underlying beat.
   and more generally, the constant changes in direction are something i knew i wanted to do from the very start, to achieve the look i wanted and also to some degree to intentionally break the flow, i feel a nice long flowing stream would not match the feel of the song which is very chaotic
   
4. 01:12:819 (2) - now, i'm anything but an expert at slider, but what i have to say on these kinds of sliders is, that they aren't really visually pleasing. i get the impression, that they're supposed to express a sort of shattered, broken up visual with all those red anker points. while that is a good enough idea, the execution doesn't quite live up to it. it looks mostly random, especially in correlation to other objects. this one for example 01:09:861 (1,2,3) - has a better visual effect, even if still not exactly optimal, since the sliders interact with each other while still maintaining the same expression. it's basically the same point as on the streams really.
   i will be the first to admit that i am absolutely abysmal at sliders but again, looking chaotic is what i was going for. i am open to any suggestions on specific sliders but overall i achieved the look i intended. i do try to make longer sliders interact in many places in the map though
   i will give you 01:12:819 (2) - but there is not much for that slider to interact with, at least not on screen at the same time. i did adjust it a bit to interact with other sliders in the same area but i doubt that's noticable
   
5. 01:54:438 (1,2,3,4) - also here, you don't let the song take any momentum in for of flow, just try to put 3 in position x5 y200 and see how it changes the movement in a way that keeps the momentum of the movement going. this is just one example that doesn't even pay attention to spacing to show the concept.
   i'm afraid i'm not sure what you're trying to tell me with this example, i know i don't have a good understanding of flow but this doesn't really tell me anything.
   i will say though that quite a few of the momentum changes are intentional for emphasis, for example on the doubles

i think there's no point in me saying more on individual things as i'd keep repeating myself. it's really the underlying structures in terms of flow especially, that i see lacking in this map first and foremost. i'm not telling you to streamline the map to the current meta by any means btw, you're somehow doing things right, you follow the rhythms to the score. it just doesn't have much in terms momentum or aesthetics
aesthetics - intended, and i fully understand why you might disagree with me. tbqh i expected way more people to do that, if i hadn't gotten a much more positive response than expected i would've left the map to grave from the beginning
momentum - as i said, i am not too good at flow and not too many suggestions have been made in that regard so i am not sure how to improve that aspect

in the end this turned into a post on themes with given examples rather than a real mod. i hope it's understandable since i've been pondering over how to explain these things for longer than i wanted. it's really not easy things to be put in words. good practice for me in any case though, no regrets.
i appreciate you taking the time, and i think i doesn't make sense to point out specifics if you have more general disagreements with the map so a post like this is just as appreciated as a nitpick mod

Akali wrote:

NM from queue

SPOILER

General

In terms of djeneral structure, I'm not a big fan of how you intepreted the rhythm guitar for the most part. Technically fine and too late to change it now, but it's usually just open string note repeating, in my book something more regular would fit way better than random wiggles that seemingly have no real reason to happen, also overall impression in terms of design is not that great either. More straight lines and regular curves copypasted around for more consistent patterns (with some cool regular overlaps?) would seem better to me, just something to think about in future prodjects.

Don't really like these sliders too, gives away this A-L-I-E-N vibe of intentional irregularity/ugliness, would like to see more regularity and better proportions http://puu.sh/r42Cf.jpg vs http://puu.sh/r42EO.jpg or http://puu.sh/r42Il.jpg vs http://puu.sh/r42JB.jpg for example. Again you probably don't want to change every single slider, just bit of an honest opinion here.

Normally i do map with much more regular structure and simple sliders, but this was an idea that i had while listening to this song, i wanted to fit the raw, unrefined feel the song has with a map that looks like that but has structure behind it. (and then i went insane by mapping it in like 3 days) for the record i was not even aware of alien until a while after i finished the first version of this, so no inspiration from there, but the intention is similar also an entire paragraph without opportunities for a djent pun FeelsBadMan

THOR

01:09:016 (1,2,3,1) - First things first, pretty sure 2B is not rankable looks like i messed up while messing around with that slider, whoops

00:15:672 (1) - just make a double this feels weird when playing done, though i wanted to fit the weird hammer-on-type thing it' probably too hard to notice to justify that slider

00:17:784 (2) - snare on slider end, if anything change the order (slider first then circle) edit: similar spot 00:36:270 (3,4) - not sure about that, since heavily focus on the guitar here i want to give the second note of the double enough emphasis... if anything i'd make it a triple.
will think about what to do

00:27:608 (1,1) - exactly half of velocity is rather troll, especially that they use very similar shape, would avoid that in ranked maps, change the shape at least
the ticks (and NC) make this one very readable imo, so it serves as a good introduction to the sv changes that are everywhere

00:32:573 (2,3) - ctrl+H (2) and move it so it follows into 3 naturally this thing is hard to read as 1/4 jump and not really part of the theme with this spacing
basically a revert of a previous mod but since this is closer to my original pattern i'll prefer this

00:57:819 (1) - could use 2 circles here just for the sake of that snare + this little slider looks and plays weird
makes sense

01:12:819 - ye I think this is the slider from accidental 2b pattern should go
you are correct

01:56:868 (4,1) - stack stop and goes will usually be 1/2 or 1/1 hard to read as 3/4 better space it out
done

02:07:325 (1) - weird nc
start of a new measure and phrase, why is it weird? 02:07:114 (1) - is the one id more likely consider weird because of there in the measure it is, but that's consistent with other stream patterns
for the record this is also exactly what maakkeli suggested here

02:26:868 (2,3,4,5,6) - sort of random use of stacks? you don't use them that much or at all anywhere else
unstacked for consistency's sake

02:34:790 - could be mapped, slider or something
really hard to make out and, as mentioned previously, would take away some emphasis of the beginning of the new section right after

02:40:705 (3,1) - nice spot for a triple, you do one before (and after on 02:42:395 (2,3,4) - )
didn't hear that one before, thanks

02:53:381 (2,3) - jumps go bigger here though so it's ok to not map it for the sake of better spacing pressure but you could

02:54:438 (1,2) - similar situation
not too keen on mapping these ones because i want to focus on the guitar crescendo

02:57:079 - damn that monkey is smoking hot

02:58:135 (6,1) - that change is super extreme and super undreadable don't speed it up that much, free 100s
it's definitely not easy to read, but with the high tickrate and the consistency of sv multipliers assigned to certain sounds i find it to be doable
00:56:340 - already teaches the player what to expect from tiny scrunched up sliders, so in this spot the focus will be more on the long sliders and their (lack of) ticks

03:01:268 (2,3,4) - this is super hard to time considering it's off the main "rhythmical grid" (does that make sense) off beat is the term you're looking for by 1/6, return slider maybe then next quad is sort of more expected
did slider+circle because snare

03:11:973 (1,2) - again not big fan of this much speed up

03:14:790 (2,3,4) - same spot
same as before for both

03:15:987 (3,1) - space out looks very 1/4ish
bent stream the other way

03:42:720 - 2spooky4me. also I think this deer (?) has 2 eyes visible maybe light the second one up too
people have been telling me but i cannot for the life of me make out the other eye, it looks like it's on the other side of the head to me and just a bit of the brow is visible

05:06:984 (2,1) - that's pretty big considering the (2) direction as well, maybe start the stream more in the middle of those sliders?

05:12:719 (2,1) - similarily, a bit closer
did both

05:46:028 - why not mapping this
because the rhythm is pretty awkward, i like the emphasis of the slow stack much more especially for the start of a new section. similar at 00:40:989 -

It's interesting to play and has good rhythm for the most part, but I can tell you it will be very hard to convince BNs too bubble and flame because of what I mentioned at start. no shit
i was aware of that from the start, yeah, i wasn't even expecting anyone else to like the map in the beginning, but the unexpectedly positive response (and it being the map of mine i most enjoy playing) made me want to at least try (and then alien was qualified and i thought i might actually have a slight chance xd)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/429989 patterns like on this are not that hard to make and leave a better impression and fit complex regularity of this music better, think about it see reasoning in the beginning, love that map though, and it is closer to what i try to achieve with most of my maps - just not this one

- Biisha - wrote:

SPOILER

00:14:721 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - The stacking of the first and second note are really annoying to read due to low AR. Consider maybe moving the first note a bit.
00:23:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same^
tried out something different, liked it better than the stacks

I wasnt sure if the map is even possible to pass, because of its HP6 and the long breaks without breaktime between 03:39:190 - 04:19:328.
But this i tried passing it with its HR drain with 8.4 and i was able to pass it. -> http://puu.sh/rctZT/d98bc06736.jpg
thanks for testing

I dont have anything else to say. Good luck getting that ranked

isopaharuntikka wrote:

hi
terrible mod by a terrible human being
on a terrible map by a terrible human being, perfect fit xd

SPOILER

00:33:666 (1,1,1) - ctrl+g? also this looks weird with new combos imo would be a revert to an older pattern more or less, emphasis is better this way because of the higher spacing towards the end. also nc's are to make it stand out so it's easier to read as a different rhythm
00:40:496 (6,7) - i think these might look better here http://i.imgur.com/7HMqxbH.png don't really like that's the entire pattern has no overlaps so overlapping on the last note looks inconsistent
00:44:086 (2,3,4,5) - shouldnt this look more weird looking i like the way you think
01:16:410 (3) - i think this could be more jumpy or like spaced more moved around the sliders to space it more, i want to keep 3 where it is since it's part of a group of circles belonging to spinners which are centered
02:37:959 (2,3,4) - i think this would look nicer if it was rotated -90 degrees like dis http://i.imgur.com/qwlRstJ.jpg rotated out a bit but not as much
03:07:325 (2) - ctrl+g? xd i want this to point at 3 so no
03:31:690 (4) - something like this would be better imo http://i.imgur.com/pZdH0m6.jpg all circles after longer rests are in the same place as the circle before them
04:23:749 (2) - i think the sliderend should point at the 3 note, would look better imo done
04:54:631 (6) - something like this again? http://i.imgur.com/L32MzrV.jpg i prefer the closer autostack here because it's intended to be a slight emphasis on the two same-pitch vocal notes ("in the")

sorry for small mod am lazy

not enabling combo colors makes zhu sad

1. Check AiMod for those unsnapped kiai's
2. Convert tracesbg.png to a .jpg to save on file space
3. To fade out your SB you're using a black image to overlay it, but this gives you a 2.67x sb load when really you can just fade out your bg instead. If you need some help with that hmu cos idk if you're using the editor or SGL or what
4. If you crop eye.png down to only include the eyes and then move them into place manually you can save on a whole 100kb woah (it also reduces your SB load by a lot so you should prob do it)
5. You might want to lower the HP because on HR you tend to drain a lot from 03:39:190 - onwards and it's very frustrating to die due to a lack of density to regen your hp rather than actually missing on stuff dont you think

1. 00:00:989 (9) - I'm gonna assume you positioned this one slightly out to emphasise that snare, which is good and all but because the (10) moves back up, it also puts the same emphasis onto (10), since the same movement for (8,9) is used for (9,10)
2. 00:13:242 (2) - I think it would be beneficial to ctrl+g this, since the sounds on each of these sliders is the same there's no reason to make (1,2) so awkward to play while (2,3) is comfortable to play. The ctrl+g makes the movement between these objects more consistent
3. 00:15:672 (1,2) - For me little spaced doubles like this play very poorly so consider moving (2) underneath (1) to make it less horrible
4. 00:17:045 (1,2,3) - Minor but perhaps curve this down a little bit for niceness and aesthetics
5. 00:28:242 (1) - Add a white node curving the end down for shits n gigs
6. 00:40:496 (6,7) - hey this one plays ok
7. 00:52:430 (5) - ok but you cant do this pattern to emphasise a snare earlier and then do the same pattern with no snare here
8. 00:54:650 (1) - Add a white node like this so it still looks shit but more aesthetically shit
9. 01:08:945 (2,1) - You could do with spacing this out to emphasise the big snare more!
10. 01:20:002 (1) - Ok this song is BRUTAL and this map is BRUTAL and putting this circle in the middle is NOT BRUTAL so make it more BRUTAL and put it in the corner put it off to the side diagonally
11. 01:26:762 (1) - Ok but put this one in the center instead ok
12. 06:02:130 - why not make a dank sliderart it doesnt even have to look good

Cheesecake wrote:

from cheesecake's discord instant mod lottery :mod_traces:

[General]

1. Check AiMod for those unsnapped kiai's i guess that might have happened while i fixed the timing on the slow part, rounding and shit
2. Convert tracesbg.png to a .jpg to save on file space jpg is not a suitable format for this kind of image
3. To fade out your SB you're using a black image to overlay it, but this gives you a 2.67x sb load when really you can just fade out your bg instead. If you need some help with that hmu cos idk if you're using the editor or SGL or what didn't realize that's a possibility, sb is a hand-scripted .osb that i learned from reverse-engineering a few other storyboards and half an hour of messing around with sgl xd
4. If you crop eye.png down to only include the eyes and then move them into place manually you can save on a whole 100kb woah (it also reduces your SB load by a lot so you should prob do it) done
5. You might want to lower the HP because on HR you tend to drain a lot from 03:39:190 - onwards and it's very frustrating to die due to a lack of density to regen your hp rather than actually missing on stuff dont you think i don't really care that much for hr (or dt) playability so as long as it's passable whatever but i went down to 5.5 for now

[THALL]

1. 00:00:989 (9) - I'm gonna assume you positioned this one slightly out to emphasise that snare, which is good and all but because the (10) moves back up, it also puts the same emphasis onto (10), since the same movement for (8,9) is used for (9,10) straightened out 10
2. 00:13:242 (2) - I think it would be beneficial to ctrl+g this, since the sounds on each of these sliders is the same there's no reason to make (1,2) so awkward to play while (2,3) is comfortable to play. The ctrl+g makes the movement between these objects more consistent sure
3. 00:15:672 (1,2) - For me little spaced doubles like this play very poorly so consider moving (2) underneath (1) to make it less horrible all 16th note patterns in this section use the same spacing, also i really like playing patterns like these
4. 00:17:045 (1,2,3) - Minor but perhaps curve this down a little bit for niceness and aesthetics sure
5. 00:28:242 (1) - Add a white node curving the end down for shits n gigs no white nodes (as a general rule of this map) but bent down a bit
6. 00:40:496 (6,7) - hey this one plays ok
7. 00:52:430 (5) - ok but you cant do this pattern to emphasise a snare earlier and then do the same pattern with no snare here straightened out a bit
8. 00:54:650 (1) - Add a white node like this so it still looks shit but more aesthetically shit again no white nodes
9. 01:08:945 (2,1) - You could do with spacing this out to emphasise the big snare more! i use consistent patterns to make the triplet rhythms more recognizable, nc-ing for 8th triplets and small spacing for 16th triplets. this is a case of the latter
10. 01:20:002 (1) - Ok this song is BRUTAL and this map is BRUTAL and putting this circle in the middle is NOT BRUTAL so make it more BRUTAL and put it in the corner put it off to the side diagonally i consider this to be part of the spinner so i want it to be centered, plus coming out of the spinner already gives it some additional impact. on an unrelated note the correct term for this song would be heavy, not brutal (yes there are discussions on the exact meaning of those terms)
11. 01:26:762 (1) - Ok but put this one in the center instead ok oops
12. 06:02:130 - why not make a dank sliderart it doesnt even have to look good i actually prefer the spinner here since the song ends on an unresolved chord (compare 01:17:466 - which is then resolved at 01:20:002 - which never happens for this one)

TheArchist wrote:

a

Since I'm sitting here with wrist problems, I'm not gonna replay the map with latest update. I'm also retarded because I don't have a screenshot of my first ever play but whatever.

Feel free to disregard my points as it is just my view on the map.

THALL

Where's my ar 8.4 =( evil people took it away =(

00:00:144 - to 00:12:925 - I think curves could be polished more on beginning streams while still maintaining the aesthetic (doubt these would change playability too much). Some of the notes in particular stick out to me as they look jagged out by just a tiny bit and I think slight readjustments would benefit that section a lot. adjusted a few, if you have any particular points you don't like feel free to point them out specifically

00:15:672 (1,2) - rotate slightly (5 or 10 degrees)? I think the anti flow jump doesn't compliment this particular progression but doubles at a slightly different angle would make it play better and look nice, even though looks seems to be the last thing on your mind for this map (in a good way). i kinda like the lined-up pattern but this works too

00:21:165 (6) - move slightly down? It feels jagged as is: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6231174 jagged is kinda the intention but this was slightly misspaced anyway and that just fixed that

00:24:333 (5,6) - why am I so annoyed by this sorta thing, maybe try this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6231210 that one's on purpose because it looked too regular

That particular point (stream notes jagged out) repeats itself a bunch, so not going to repeat myself more on this. There's also parts where I think it's fine (like this 00:29:721 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ) so you can decide which ones you like (or deny everything). Also this is really more present in the beginning of the map; I think it's used very well everywhere else. that might be because a lot of the irregularities in the beginning were added later on once i decided to go crazy with the mapping style

00:33:523 (1,1) - make this jump a tad bigger? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6231255. sure, also looks a bit better

00:42:819 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - I think the sliders could have a slight curve or a jagged part which fits aesthetics here a bit better but I don't have any ideas that would fit your map really. all kicksliders are straight for better readability

01:03:312 (3) - mirroring the pattern here seems pretty cool in my opinion. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6231374 not sure what you're trying to say, that screenshot is exactly the current pattern

01:25:917 (1,2) - 01:30:987 (1,2) - 01:36:058 (1,2) - you could extend these to the blue ticks since the sound does ring a little but if you're strictly following white/red ticks you can disregard this. the slider ends are mapped to when the bends reach their target note

01:59:297 (1,2,3) - and 02:13:240 (1,2,3) - 1 to 2 isn't the same distance snap as 2 to 3 and it's very noticeable while playing it. that's actually intentional and a suggestion from a previous mod, to fit the pitch changes. i did change the pattern a bit to make the angle sharper which should hopefully make it nice to play

02:07:114 (1,2,1,2,3) - I think expressing this is better if you jump from 1,2 to 1,2,3. I feel like the change in drums should be easily identifiable here. not sure if i'm understanding you correctly but if you're suggesting a stream jump then the answer is no, doesn't fit into the map

04:36:322 (1,2,3,4) - maybe make spacing from 1 to 2 and 3 to 4 parallel? sure

And then I have nothing because from first kiai to the end is the stronger portion of the map and the rest is either points I've already said or good as it is. Hope it helps and good luck on ranking it!

-himei wrote:

SPOILER

from my modding queue:
00:00:144 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - the melody is repetitive and consistent, why did you place all of them in this way?
also consider to make 00:00:566 (1,1) - nc here due in accord to melody

uh now i see... you made all the streams in this way. dude all these handplaced streams triggering me so badly ;w; I would suggest you to increase the spacing and make them more structured by using ctrl+shift+f tool... actually a lot of them were made using crtl+shift+f, the sliders were just shaped like that xd
and yeah the look is very much intentional as i've explained a few times before
and the same issue with nc is all over the place... i don't really get what nc issue you're trying to point out
00:15:672 (1,2,3) - flow? ctrl g 1,2? already changed a bit from previous mod, i don't want it pointing in the direction of the next note since that would take away a lot of the impact of the second note
00:15:989 (3,4) - nc on each of them like did in next intervals? not sure what you're referring to, there is no comparable pattern in this section

02:25:494 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is some unreadable stuff right here... what? that's a really straightforward stream

02:30:648 - http://puu.sh/rvt3R/8a2861a46f.jpg this overlap is just idk... the circles above are gone before those below fade in so i don't see a problem with it

nice triangles ▲
03:07:325 (2,3,1) - this flow is just bad, look at the angles youre using... don't really see a problem, it's pretty much a back and forth
05:05:219 (4,1) - ds here shud be bigger than 05:04:778 (2,3,4) - because slider>note flow sliderheads are pretty much the same as circles so this is fine especially as it's intended to be visually consistent
05:49:778 (2,3) - ds? o_o flow? changed to be consistent with other patterns
06:02:131 (1) - put it in the middle of the playfield? done

Overall i think this map is decent. You shud ask some bns to check it. that's what i'm going to try soon-ish since i have reached my arbitrary goal of 20 mods
But you shud make all these streams more consistent with proper angles inbetween the notes.

• Thall

  1. eh, I'd personally bump the OD up a bit since this map seems really stream heavy, and note locking is kinda annoying :/
     
  2. 00:34:580 (1,2,1) - I'd completely stack this to put more emphasis on the second 1
     
  3. 00:38:805 (1,2,1) - ^
     
  4. 02:35:213 - holy monstrata
     
  5. 03:26:175 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - idk, seems weird the spacing jumps in the triangles even when theres really no change in the sounds.
     
  6. 04:40:293 (5,2) - can u space these out a tiny bit more for A E S T H E T I C S
     
     Honestly, I can't point out a lot. There's nothing that really stood out to me that either wasn't intentional or that was particularly wrong with the map. Although I'm not too huge on the whole idea of making it ugly on purpose, you pull it off in a way that it still feels neat. Unfortunately I don't really have the finger control nor the stamina to really play it ): but it looks really fun.
     
     I really hope to see this ranked in the future, best of luck zhuriel

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

/meme :mugtraces:

Hey im gonna mod cause i like the song and i wanna hop on the meme train lo

• Thall

  1. eh, I'd personally bump the OD up a bit since this map seems really stream heavy, and note locking is kinda annoying :/
     was higher originally, to prevent notelock completely i'd have to use 9.5 i think which is far too high for 136bpm. leaving it at this for now
     
  2. 00:34:580 (1,2,1) - I'd completely stack this to put more emphasis on the second 1
     
  3. 00:38:805 (1,2,1) - ^
     not using stacks but i reduced the spacing
     
  4. 02:35:213 - holy monstrata
     ▲
     
  5. 03:26:175 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - idk, seems weird the spacing jumps in the triangles even when theres really no change in the sounds.
     the spacing in these is almost perfectly constant?
     
  6. 04:40:293 (5,2) - can u space these out a tiny bit more for A E S T H E T I C S
     done
     
     Honestly, I can't point out a lot. There's nothing that really stood out to me that either wasn't intentional or that was particularly wrong with the map. Although I'm not too huge on the whole idea of making it ugly on purpose, you pull it off in a way that it still feels neat. Unfortunately I don't really have the finger control nor the stamina to really play it ): but it looks really fun.
     thanks man
     
     I really hope to see this ranked in the future, best of luck zhuriel