Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Taiko] · forum

Surono

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Surono 2016-05-12T06:53:45+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
regraz <3 ganbatte :3

mod my map please pls `L_` [2]

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

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Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2016-05-12T07:23:02+00:00

Surono wrote:
Prop you

Hi Re-gz!

>General
* Wanna Change the hitsounding to Normal? Soft just well.. not really good at taiko play
* Change OD/HP Kantan to 3/8, Futsuu 4/7, and Muzu 5/6 https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... _Game_Mode HP Should higher for lower diffs

>Futsuu *sorry lol I just remember I like modding oni and after is Muzu lol xd*
* 00:12:172 - this finisher for what? remove lol
* 00:23:871 - and 00:24:707 - delete these, 00:24:150 - and 00:24:429 - don these. ;w; why? I want to emphasize the absence of guitar here, making it distinct from other parts.
* 00:28:885 (42,43,44) - swap this for variation? this fits with vocal This is meant to keep consistent with 00:18:858 (23,24,25,26,27) - ukulelelele
* 00:33:621 (54) - move to 00:33:342 - here to follow the Instrument Keep consistent with former parts
* 00:41:977 - delete this for easir to hit finisher?

and later will continue, I have to go >_>

edit:
waht u doin pat? huh faker I first modded this.. please ur Oni dem (((:

okey, on Futsuu diff you can selfmod about spread or just looks about my suggestion style for next duration on Futsuu
and well Kantan nice, just need moar rest like patzar said. GLUCK!

Other all fixed!
Since Muzukashii has been changed to Oni I guess I will reconsider these mods !
Thank you!

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2016-05-13T10:46:05+00:00

Surono wrote:
Ascendance wrote:
regraz <3 ganbatte :3
mod my map please pls `L_` [2]

sir you avatar... Charlotte , bbj and you.... :<

[R]

1,050 posts

Joined November 2013

[R] 2016-05-14T18:07:44+00:00

yo

[Futsuu]

PatZar wrote:
umm, the futsuu is needed more breaks too, 1/1 break spams isn't cool for me , you can delete like 00:26:657 (39,40) - for more breaks, well for futsuu difficulty, that isn't need to follow a vocals or instruments too much, low difficulty like futsuu and kantan pointed to use more breaks not a beat one, so you can delete some notes here! :3

i agree with him, to keep spread betwen kantan

00:16:072 - delete ,sound like unsapped and you ignore this par t00:14:819 -
00:35:292 - move 00:36:406 - sound more enjoy and calm
00:37:521 - same ^

[Muzukashii]
00:17:743 - change kat, pitch different with 00:18:858 -
00:48:384 - change kat and delete 00:48:663 - sems like you following vocal in kiai
00:54:234 - change don ?
01:00:083 (147,148) - swap this ? different pitch in this part 01:00:083 -

just that from me
Good Luck

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2016-05-15T11:41:11+00:00

Ron nice catch! fixed all

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Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2016-05-17T12:16:25+00:00

Fixed all and updated!
Thank you!

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2016-08-07T12:34:10+00:00

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Fixed the spread between Muzu and Oni, SR 2.05.

Nardoxyribonucleic

osu! Alumni

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2016-08-14T12:55:51+00:00

IRC mod with Regraz, Aug 14, 2016

19:10 Regraz: Hi, Nardo! ><
19:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hi!
19:18 Regraz: Hi! I am making my first taiko beatmap and I am really in need of advice in general from experienced taiko mapper/modders. Would you like to have testplay on my map and maybe point out things that I need to improve?

19:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: hmm okay
19:20 Regraz: Thank you! Just some advice is okay.
19:20 *Regraz is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Oni]]
19:26 Regraz: Saved record! Thank you!
19:26 Nardoxyribonucleic: Let's start from Kantan
19:26 Regraz: OK!
19:27 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:07:715 (1) - you may add finish for stressed sound/loud cymbal
19:27 Regraz: OK!
19:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: One key concept for Kantan is the use of 2/1 and 1/1 patterns with rest moments of 4/1 long
19:30 Nardoxyribonucleic: while in your map you don't have any of them, so I'm going to suggest some possible spots for breaks
19:30 Regraz: OK!
19:31 Regraz: It is really unexpected that there need to be such long breaks in Kantan!
19:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah, since beginners have to learn easier 1/1 patterns mainly in this level
19:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: longer breaks could act as buffer for them to prepare for the patterns
19:32 Regraz: I see!
19:34 Regraz: It is related to BPM? It's the same when dealing with 200BPM? Since the break would be as 1/2 long as 100BPM ones.
19:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:18:300 (12) - could be deleted imo, then you can move 00:20:529 (13) - to 00:19:972 -
19:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: Same. We map it according to snapping regardless of song BPM most of the time
19:36 Regraz: I see!
19:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: so how do you think of the suggestion above?
19:38 Regraz: Already done! Also would apply this to other similar sections.
19:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: I will help you one by one, some of your rhythms you made are good
19:38 Regraz: OK!

19:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:25:543 (19) - could add finish here as mentioned before
19:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: this is to keep consistency with 00:16:629 (11) - as well
19:40 Regraz: OK! Just worrying about if it would be too hard since 00:24:429 (17,18,19) - is a 1/1 pattern with three notes
19:40 Regraz: Yeah that's consistency
19:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: would be fine enough. We can even allow in maximum 3 1/1 big notes in a row for Kantan, like D D D
19:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: so d k D in 1/1 should be acceptable
19:43 Regraz: OK!
19:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:27:214 (20) - delete and move 00:29:443 (22) - to 00:28:885 - again ?
19:43 Regraz: Done!
19:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:42:256 (34,35) - these two notes could be deleted not only for a 4/1 break but also the spread with Futsuu
19:45 Regraz: Great!
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:384 (41) - could be moved to 00:48:941 - and change to d for variation
19:47 Regraz: Yep
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: in this way the vocal could be emphasized too
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:57:298 (53) - same as above
19:49 Regraz: Indeed
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for Kantan. Let's move on to the next difficulty/
19:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: ah, one more thing before we do that
19:51 Regraz: Yeah?
19:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: Since the total note count in Kantan is quite low, you may change HP to 9 so that players could not pass with bad accuracy
19:51 Regraz: I see! That's a point.
19:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: in this way Futsuu can use HP 8
19:52 Regraz: OK!
19:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: could be 7 for Prophecy's Muzukashii, but you may need to talk with him later about that
19:53 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/972266 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [Futsuu]]
19:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: As difficulty increases, players have to learn some basic 1/2 patterns. In the meantime, we need plenty of 2/1 breaks so as not to make the diff too hard
19:55 Regraz: I see!
19:56 Regraz: (So I guess I should add more breaks here as well)
19:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:17:186 (18,20) - these notes could be deleted for spread with Kantan
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: Kantan has 4/1 break, so here we should use a 2/1 one
19:58 Regraz: Hmm then should I also remove the note at 00:19:415?
19:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: we will go through that soon
19:59 Regraz: OK!
20:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:20:250 (23) - this note could be moved to 00:19:136 - instead, so the 1/2 ddk is back
20:01 Regraz: Wow nice
20:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:21:643 (26) - move to 00:20:807 - instead for consistency of breaks?
20:03 Regraz: How about directly removing 00:21:643 (26) - ?
20:04 Nardoxyribonucleic: also fine
20:04 Regraz: OK!
20:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:26:100 (34,36) - same as the previous session
20:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: for one more 2/1 rest
20:08 Regraz: Done!
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:164 (39) - this time you may move this note to 00:28:607 - for pattern variety
20:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: then delete 00:30:557 (42) - again
20:11 Regraz: OK!
20:13 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:384 (75,76) - these notes could be removed again for a 2/1 break
20:14 Regraz: OK
20:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:57:298 (94) - same as ^
20:15 Regraz: Yea!
20:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for Futsuu too~
20:16 Regraz: Wow! Thank you!
20:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: For Muzukashii, just remind Prophecy to have a 2/1 break about every 15-20seconds. Currently there is none x_x
20:18 Regraz: Yeah! I will tell him!

20:18 Regraz: In his discord xD
20:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: for your reference, we introduce some simple 1/2 + 1/4 pattern chains with some 2/1 breaks in Muzukashii to let intermediate players prepare for Oni
20:19 Regraz: Yep
20:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: now lastly the Oni
20:20 Regraz: But I remembered there're a lot of 1/4 patterns, ddd and kkd are in different difficulty level, right?
20:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes, in Muzukashii we mostly use monotone ones
20:21 Regraz: yea!
20:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: kkd, ddk, ddddd and kkkkk could occasionally be used, but they should stand rather alone and there should be a 2/1 break nearby
20:22 Regraz: Ok.
20:22 Regraz: But 1/4 dk or kd ones?
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: while patterns like dkd kdk dkk kdd or more difficult ones should only be appeared in Oni
20:23 Regraz: only two notes ;w; like the ones I used
20:23 Regraz: Yeah
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: 1/4 dk and kd could be used in Muzukashii as well, but is actually harder than ddd and kkk
20:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: because of the colour change
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: so better not to use it too often
20:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: But in Oni we do not have such a restriction
20:25 Regraz: OK! So simply color change makes maps harder?
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: make that individual pattern harder
20:25 Regraz: yea
20:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: and when they stack, the map becomes harder
20:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:24:846 - add d and 00:25:264 - add k ? This would sound interesting to play imo
20:29 Regraz: OK!
20:29 Regraz: Interesting xD
20:30 Regraz: By the way do there need to be breaks in Oni?
20:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: No definite requirement for 2/1 or longer breaks, but you may use them when the song pace becomes calm
20:32 Regraz: I see.
20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: But bear in mind that we have relatively stricter requirements of rest moments in the lower difficulties

20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: i.e. from Kantan to Muzukashii
20:33 Regraz: That's sure. This is really different from std xD
20:33 Regraz: New knowledge to me

20:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:164 - add d to cohere with 00:20:251 (37) - ?
20:34 Regraz: Certainly!
20:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:33:760 - and 00:34:178 - same as previous part
20:37 Regraz: Done!
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:292 - you may even add d here to follow the way you mapped at 00:34:456 -
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:37:521 - same as ^
20:38 Regraz: 00:37:521 (92) - I guess same here
20:38 Regraz: Yeah
20:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:42:256 (105) - could be a big note as in Futsuu
20:40 Regraz: Sure
20:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:43:092 (108) - changing this note to k would help emphasize the next big don
20:42 Regraz: Changed.
20:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:47:131 (124) - consider adding d here to enrich the rhythm?
20:44 Regraz: Sure.
20:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: there is also a nice percussion beat, so kdk would be nice
20:45 Regraz: Indeed. Guess in latter section there also need to be a change for consistency?
20:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: yeah.
20:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:284 (144) - although there is a stressed sound, it is pretty good to see that you avoided the finish
20:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: big note at the end of a 1/4 pattern may be allowed provided that the previous note is of opposite colour
20:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: but we generally avoid them for better playability
20:48 Regraz: Yep that's in the ranking criteria if I am not wrong ;w;
20:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: so just keep it as kkd and it'd be good
20:48 Regraz: OK

20:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:56:044 - and yeah you may add d here as well
20:49 Regraz: After those change already harder than Gen's Oni ;w;w; Is the spread still okay?
20:49 Regraz: Yeah
20:49 Regraz: Added
20:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: and 00:56:462 (161) - could be k as the vocal pitch becomes higher compared to 00:47:548 -
20:50 Regraz: Yep
20:50 Regraz: fixed
20:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: As a guest diff with same level of difficulty (Oni and Oni), there exists no particular order and it will not affect the spread
20:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: if it is Gen's Inner Oni, it will be a problem
20:51 Regraz: I see!

20:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think that would be all at this moment :3

Try to find few more mods to improve further, then you may call me back again~

Mafumafu

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Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2016-08-14T12:57:04+00:00

谢谢你这么好！耐心地讲了好多以前不了解的taiko mapping相关的知识！谢谢 >w<

Prophecy

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Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2016-08-14T14:17:20+00:00

Thank you Nardo for helping this map >w<

Fixed Issue:

►Removed few 1/4 notes in non-kiai part
►Replaced 5 plets 1/2 pattern to 3 plets pattern
►Provided more breaks in non-kiai part
►Slightly changed the coloring in non-kiai part
►Rechecked kiai part for ddd/kkk with no dk/kd pattern
►Changed TimelineZoom from 0.6999999 to 0.7

Update:

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Tags:Laundry Service Tim Mitchell latin pop worldbeat PatZar Prophecy Genocide
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Mafumafu

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Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2016-08-14T14:29:48+00:00

Will update when I have free slot!

xtrem3x

1,781 posts

Joined July 2009

xtrem3x 2016-09-28T04:54:36+00:00

My Queue

General:

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

All volume hitsounds in 80% is fine.

in "events" (notepad) ... the number 65 change to 110.

Kantan

HP = 7 / OD = 4

GOOD.

Futsuu

HP = 7 / OD = 4

00:40:027 - move this note to 00:39:749- (?)

00:46:434 - Change this note to k .. have similar pitch vocal sound as previous note.
00:55:626 (90,91) - comparing with above point in this part is better a ctrl+g to emphatize high vocal sound.

Pro Muzukashii

00:10:501 (7,8,9) - change this for ddk ... comparing with 00:08:273 (2,3,4)- and 00:12:730 (12,13,14)- ... don't have "auu!" vocal sound

00:47:548 - change to k ... have similar pitch vocal sound as previous note.
00:56:462 - Same

Gen´s Oni

HP = 8 .. NO ... HP and OD = 6
Custom colors? ... uncheck

00:20:947 - Move this note to 00:21:504- to follow vocal sequence.
00:29:860 - Move to 00:30:417- ... same

00:34:874 - add d note here ... to consistence with next (dk kd)

00:40:585 (117,118) - change to k ... have other sound than BG and is more notable.

00:45:320 - Change to k .. have same vocal pitch sound as 00:44:206-
00:46:713 - Change to k ... similar reason ^

00:54:234 - Change to k .. same as 00:45:320-
00:55:626 - Change to k .. same as 00:46:713-

Oni

HP = 8 is too excesive ... HP and OD = 6

00:34:456 (82,83,84,85,86) - .. this part seems incomplete ... change for
00:36:685 (90,91,92,93,94) - Same here

01:00:362 (177,178,179,180,181,182) - ... this part have more flow with...
2 triples -> or
this -> .. last note in D

-w-

Skylish

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Joined June 2013

Skylish 2016-09-29T12:56:35+00:00

I noticed this mapset b4 because of Prophecy

20:38 Regraz: Hi ><
20:39 Skylish: hi, regraz

20:39 *Regraz is away: Want a mod? Check userpage for rules! <3 Thank you!
20:39 Regraz: Hi Skylish!

20:39 Regraz: ;w; May I ask for a testplay or maybe some suggestions on my first taiko map owo?
20:39 Skylish: sure!

20:40 Regraz: Thank you very much!
20:40 *Regraz is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/972156 Shakira - Whenever, Wherever]
20:40 Regraz: For Oni Difficulty
20:40 Skylish: K
20:42 Regraz:

20:43 Regraz: Is there anything playing weird or uncomfortable?
20:43 Skylish: umm....
20:43 Skylish: 00:48:663 (130) -
20:43 Regraz: Yeah?
20:44 Skylish: It sounds like the density is a bit low right here without a transitional phrase to the next main meoldy again
20:44 Skylish: You might not want to have ghost notes properly
20:44 Regraz: then how about adding a d at 00:48:384 (130) - ?
20:44 Regraz: oh? what is ghost note?
20:45 Skylish: ghost note= putting d/k on a timing without any music/ extended note (acting like a slider, in the form of Circle only)
20:45 Regraz: Oh I see! Like overmap in std mode xD
20:45 Skylish: 00:48:384 - this is a drum kick, not recommended putting a d here
20:46 Skylish: just leave it be a space
20:46 Skylish: that's acceptable
20:46 Regraz: OK!
20:46 Skylish: What makes me feel weird starts from 00:48:663 -
20:46 Skylish: that k d d k
20:46 Skylish: sounds to 'weak'
20:47 Skylish: not my favour only, that's also acceptable tbh
20:47 Regraz: Ah yeah, but if you have something recommended, just tell me so that I could learn some new patterns xD
20:48 Skylish: sure, let me see....
20:49 Skylish: 00:29:443 (66) -
20:49 Skylish: https://puu.sh/rrKUc/0e91f1b014.png
20:50 Skylish: I would like to put the notes denser
20:50 Regraz: Oh
20:51 Regraz: It could be a solution though I am worrying about spread to other diffs in this mapset
20:51 Regraz: oh i forgot I am harder than another Oni
20:51 Regraz: nvm
20:51 Skylish: another thing: the consistencies of using k is a bit low
20:51 Skylish: 00:48:384 - 00:49:498 -
20:51 Skylish: 00:51:727 -
20:52 Skylish: they should be all be k, in case you want to follow vocal strictly, leave it be
20:52 Regraz: OK I will take into consideration!
20:52 Skylish: Also, the introduction part (b4 kiai) is relatively too easy
20:53 Skylish: d dk d d <--- this pattern can have some variations
20:53 Regraz: Yeah
20:54 Skylish: quite good overall speaking
20:54 Skylish: keep it on!

20:54 Regraz: I will try to enhance the density of notes
20:54 Regraz: Thank you!
20:54 Skylish: :3, no problem!
20:54 Regraz: Would you please post this as irc mod in the thread?
20:55 Regraz: Since it helps a lot!
20:55 Skylish: alright!

20:55 Regraz: Thank you again for the testplay and feedback!

Actually I need kds!!!!

Gero

4,438 posts

Joined March 2012

Gero 2016-10-01T19:10:23+00:00

Finished.

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PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2016-10-15T11:52:51+00:00

i will check the mods when im at home

PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2016-10-15T19:17:05+00:00

xtrem3x wrote:
My Queue

Gen´s Oni

HP = 8 .. NO ... HP and OD = 6 since the song has 1mins 1sec, it would be fine, and also the criteria ranked has changed too
Custom colors? ... uncheck sure, but it doesn't matter with the game play tho

00:20:947 - Move this note to 00:21:504- to follow vocal sequence. since those have a gap as 00:21:504 - , i would like to keep this one
00:29:860 - Move to 00:30:417- ... same same^

00:34:874 - add d note here ... to consistence with next (dk kd)

00:40:585 (117,118) - change to k ... have other sound than BG and is more notable.

00:45:320 - Change to k .. have same vocal pitch sound as 00:44:206-
00:46:713 - Change to k ... similar reason ^ i would like to keep both, since i felt those are good, sorry jajahajjaj

00:54:234 - Change to k .. same as 00:45:320-
00:55:626 - Change to k .. same as 00:46:713- same as 00:46:713 -

-w-

update

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Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2016-10-28T12:01:17+00:00

hmm, the issue has been fixed before, thanks for mod!

Don't forget to update the tags after adding a new difficulties.

and you should shift down the BG about 10/20, I suggest you to use this code:

0,0,"BG.jpg",0,90

Gen's Oni | ~~Gezo's Oni~~ | Gero's Oni soon.

Gero

4,438 posts

Joined March 2012

Gero 2017-03-22T03:10:14+00:00

Rest in peace.

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2017-03-22T03:17:11+00:00

Gero wrote:
Rest in peace.

PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2017-04-06T16:46:14+00:00

Gero wrote:
Rest in peace.

Zpmzpm

85 posts

Joined August 2015

Zpmzpm 2017-05-11T13:11:36+00:00

HI PRO
irc req, not much to say. overall great mapset, hope it gets ranked! good luck!
[Gero]
00:16:072 (36,37) - feels unnessecery
00:42:674 (161,162) - could be finisher as well since slow song
00:48:523 (189,190) - sounds more like dk in general
00:57:437 (233,234) - ^
00:51:448 (203,204,205,206,207,208,209) - kkddkkd to drum?
01:00:083 (246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254) - dkddkkkkd sounds a lot better to me.
kiai could be 1.1x for all oni or above difficulties to make it more "intense"

Chromoxx

904 posts

Joined August 2012

Chromoxx 2017-07-15T22:46:41+00:00

took a quick look

Gero:
00:18:022 - 00:19:136 - i'd make some sort of differentiation between these 1 triplets tbh... like making one of them kdk or something, for better emphasis on the different vocals
00:26:936 - 00:28:050 - same
00:37:521 (140,141) - maybe ctrl G this since the vocals are pretty different and to make these triplets contrast with the ones at 00:34:456 - since the vocals for the earlier stamp are all the same and the ones for this one are kinda different from eachother
00:44:902 - maybe change this to k to give it a more progressive feel since the vocal here is a bit more intense than the one before, would also avoid excessive ddk usage
00:48:523 (189,190) - ctrl G for better flow and emphasis on the vocals?
00:53:816 - maybe change to k, same as before
00:57:437 (233,234) - ctrl G, same as before

Geno:
00:18:300 - 00:22:618 - the contrast in patterns used here for emphasis is a bit too strong since it's very similar overall... changing the entire rythm this drastically is a bit over the top imo
00:27:214 - 00:31:532 - same
-- ddk usage in the kiai is too repetitive, i'd suggest changing some patterns for better variety and emphasis on different vocals etc.

Oni:
overall usage of dk and the d dk -etc- rythm in total are a bit repetitive imo, i would suggest using a few different patterns and differentiating the individual sections by choosing somewhat different rythms for each one

Muzukashii:
00:10:780 - could change to d for variety and since there isn't this one sound that is at 00:08:273 - and 00:12:729 -
00:18:579 - change to k and 00:18:858 - move to 00:19:136 - for more interesting rythm, which also fits the vocals?
00:23:314 - chagne to k and move to 00:23:036 - , 00:23:593 - add k, ^
00:25:543 - rythm somehow gets less intense here even though the music is about the same and it's progressing further into the song... i would suggest just sticking to something similar as before
00:38:078 - delete, comes kinda unexpected and there isn't really any specific sound here that is as intense as the others that you are mapping in this section
looks fine otherwise

Futsuu:
00:43:927 - 00:46:156 - i would differentiate the triplets here for better variety and since the vocals are pretty different
00:50:612 - not sure about the 5plet here... considering the bpm of the song using 5plets is pretty acceptable but i don't feel like this is the right spot to use it... maybe use a kkddk 5plet at 00:55:069 - instead?
01:00:362 - maybe add a d here since there are pretty strong drums and you already used a 5plet earlier?
-- overall ddk/kkd usage before the kiai seems a bit repetitive too

Kantan:
00:36:128 - the kd kd kd seems here seems kinda weird and unfitting, maybe try something different?
-- looking at how dense the kiai is, maybe the part before the kiai might deserve a very slight buff in density

that's about it, i'll try to find you someone ^^

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2017-08-27T07:38:27+00:00

Prophecy's Muzukashii:

> Fixed pattern (k->d / d->k)
> Deleted 1 note. (-0.02 SR)

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Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2017-09-26T20:59:46+00:00

i have procrastinated this mod for like
at least 3/4s of a year
the worst part is that I have several drafts saved but they're worthless because I couldn't highlight the important issues with this map
This is because after modding for some time, I wanted to discuss this in game, but, because of the AM / PM time difference, I will need to be posting something here

[General]

~

your spread needs to be balanced, specifically through Kantan and Futsuu
in general, your spread has mostly GDs
these GDs provide wiggle room for guest difficulties, because I would not expect Prophecy to have an understanding as your spread as complete as your own
however, kantan and futsuu are consecutive difficulties that are too far apart in their spread
to understand the problem, you can look at the "taiko" panel if modding assistant
you will find a display of your spread, as if you were comparing difficulties in mania
I will discuss what can be done about this in more detail

[Kantan]

~

this spread problems truely starts where the lyrics begin, 00:16:629 - here. You have almost no notes in kantan here, but you use almost twice as many in futsuu here

one way to fix this dilemna is by adding notes to kantan
mind you, these are not necessary changes as you can istead decide to nerf futsuu
for instance, here are some examples:
00:18:300 - add a k here
00:21:643 - a k here
00:27:214 - ^
00:30:557 - ^ etc., but you can decide to accept none of this and instead nerf futsuu

[Futsuu]

~

concept here is described in kantan lol
again, you can choose to accept none of this and instead buff kantan
00:18:858 (20,21) - remove, this will allow the sound to resonate more
00:23:593 (29,30) - ^
00:24:986 (32) - ^
00:27:771 (36,37,38) - ^
00:31:392 (43) - ^ etc. best of luck~

call me bak

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2017-09-30T15:58:28+00:00

LOL why I added a lot of notes in Kantan and the star difficulty DECREASED by 0.05?????

Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2017-09-30T16:17:02+00:00

Regraz wrote:
LOL why I added a lot of notes in Kantan and the star difficulty DECREASED by 0.05?????

Taiko SR is basically so bad it's irrelevant.
It judges maps based on the gaps between notes, eg. 1/1 gaps are easy while 3/4 gaps are harder.

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2017-09-30T16:30:14+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
Regraz wrote:
LOL why I added a lot of notes in Kantan and the star difficulty DECREASED by 0.05?????
Taiko SR is basically so bad it's irrelevant.
It judges maps based on the gaps between notes, eg. 1/1 gaps are easy while 3/4 gaps are harder.

Okay I buffed the Kantan a bit. And also applied advice from Chromoxx ❤❤

Gero

4,438 posts

Joined March 2012

Gero 2017-10-01T02:42:09+00:00

I've fixed everything, thanks a lot.

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Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2017-10-01T16:26:20+00:00

I want heart too! @Regraz

Updates: Prophecy's Muzukashii

Changed pattern at vocal part.
Reduced the density of the kiai. (Provide more break)
Applied Chromoxx's mod for pattern

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Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2017-10-01T19:48:47+00:00

ok now I can revive my old post, no kd
spread is beautiful now, awesome job
remember to only apply what seems good to you
[general]

I'm pretty sure that "pop" is an unnecessary tag because it will be added as the genre
fixed bugged SV everywhere in the map description everywhere
~

[futsuu]

00:19:972 (23,24) - consider changing one or both of these to d to accompany the lower vocal pitch
00:21:086 (25) - consider changing to k to accompany the higher vocal pitch
00:25:543 - If you want to follow the strongest vocals here in accompaniment with the drums, consider this rhythm here:
SPOILER
00:35:571 - please remove this note to allow the vocals (lala lala lala) to resonate here
00:37:799 - / 00:40:027 - ^ consider doing the same if you want
00:38:356 (53,54,55) - consider using another pattern here for variation if you removed these notes, such as kdd
00:50:891 (77) - please switch to k, probably similar reasons

[muzu]

00:43:927 - because of the type of drum that is here, (snare), a k is much easier to hit with this note, and it turn this triplet (00:43:649 (81,82,83) - ) is easier to play as kkk. Then, consider switching 00:43:649 (81,82,83,84) - this to kkk d so that it will accompant the drum types as mentioned, and Shakira's vocals too
00:44:763 (85,86,87,88) - ^ / 00:52:562 (109,110,111,112) - ^ / 00:59:248 (131,132,133,134) - ^
00:51:727 (107) - switch to k, same reasoning as mentioned above
00:52:284 (108) - Please add a finisher here

[Regraz oni]

00:43:649 - consider adding something here for the vocal, 00:43:788 (112,113) - or moving this back slightly for the vocal, and then making the pattern then consistent throughout
00:52:284 (147) - you can still add a finisher here if you want.
01:01:197 (184) - ^, and remove 01:01:058 - this if it feels better

[Genocide Oni]

00:17:465 (37,38) - consider ctrl+g here for the vocal's pitch (00:26:379 (69,70) - here too)
00:19:275 - consider adding a 1/4 triplet here for the vocal (00:28:189 - here too)
00:48:105 - consider adding a 1/4 doublet here to make the gap easier, and it flows better by showing the progression 00:47:827 (146,147) - here better because it's not just rising pitches
00:57:019 - include a hit here for the vocal?
01:00:780 - consider adding a 1/4 triplet if you want owo

[gero oni]

00:34:177 (122,123,124,125) - I don't think 1/6 improv is justified here, song is too peaceful
01:01:058 (253) - consider either removing or changing this, and making the following into a D

call me back =w=

Last edited by Jonarwhal 2017-10-08T02:06:00+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2017-10-02T13:05:34+00:00

Chromoxx wrote:
took a quick look

Geno:
00:18:300 - 00:22:618 - the contrast in patterns used here for emphasis is a bit too strong since it's very similar overall... changing the entire rythm this drastically is a bit over the top imo
00:27:214 - 00:31:532 - same
-- ddk usage in the kiai is too repetitive, i'd suggest changing some patterns for better variety and emphasis on different vocals etc.

ok both are changed

Jonawaga wrote:
ok now I can revive my old post, no kd
spread is beautiful now, awesome job
remember to only apply what seems good to you
[general]
I'm pretty sure that "pop" is an unnecessary tag because it will be added as the genre
fixed bugged SV everywhere in the map description everywhere
~
[Genocide Oni]
00:17:465 (37,38) - consider ctrl+g here for the vocal's pitch (00:26:379 (69,70) - here too) i would rather stand with my old d k k d for better emphasis
00:19:275 - consider adding a 1/4 triplet here for the vocal (00:28:189 - here too) same ^
00:48:105 - consider adding a 1/4 doublet here to make the gap easier, and it flows better by showing the progression 00:47:827 (146,147) - here better because it's not just rising pitches
00:57:019 - include a hit here for the vocal?
01:00:780 - consider adding a 1/4 triplet if you want owo yes, its nice to hear more 1/4 triplets, but for me i just want to single tapping for the ending, and no forced triplets, but it really does cool for me thanks for suggestion
call me back =w=

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thanks for mod both of you guys !

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

Mafumafu 2017-10-04T07:38:47+00:00

@Jonawaga
01:01:058 - for my Oni, I really want to keep this if it is okay because the drum here are really strong ;w;

other all fixed!

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2017-10-04T11:13:28+00:00

Update: Prophecy's Muzukashii

Applied Jonawaga's mod, fixed all. (the timeline was broken ;w;, nvm fixed)

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Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2017-10-05T14:07:45+00:00

tfw conection cant be friendly with osh

an jing

o this map, soonTM i'll check it.

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PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2017-10-05T14:09:10+00:00

ftw, go bub

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2017-10-05T14:15:12+00:00

this star is useless for me :3

It's help me to remember this:
p/4022101

Best star ever @Genocide XD

PatZar

3,079 posts

Joined March 2013

PatZar 2017-10-05T14:32:52+00:00

Prophecy wrote:
this star is useless for me :3

It's help me to remember this:
p/4022101

Best star ever @Genocide XD

waaaa, its been 3 years ago xddddddddddddddddddddddddd, dem stars

Prophecy

1,794 posts

Joined December 2013

Prophecy 2017-10-05T16:44:34+00:00

PatZar wrote:
Prophecy wrote:
this star is useless for me :3

It's help me to remember this:
p/4022101

Best star ever @Genocide XD
waaaa, its been 3 years ago xddddddddddddddddddddddddd, dem stars

~~dem~~ Mr. Sur give me a star too ww

p/6213954

XD

Surono

7,195 posts

Joined November 2013

Surono 2017-10-05T17:52:01+00:00

/me giggle

its just about soonTM pls, at least mine just 1month ago NOT 69years like genocidem LMAO

Aurele

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Aurele 2017-10-05T17:53:36+00:00

Surono wrote:
/me giggle

its just about soonTM pls, at least mine just 1month ago NOT 69years like genocidem LMAO

unless u want me to bubble and u qualify xd

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