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toby fox - Undertale (Chime Remix)

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Friday, May 13, 2016 at 9:58:22 PM

Artist: toby fox
Title: Undertale (Chime Remix)
Source: UNDERTALE
Tags: PlaceholderTag
BPM: 140
Filesize: 7814kb
Play Time: 05:23
Difficulties Available:
  1. Undertale (5.96 stars, 1045 notes)


Download: toby fox - Undertale (Chime Remix)
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m4m. (Note: All m4ms will currently be delayed due to upcoming graduation Irl).
First time going for ranking, wish me luck! :D
PLEASE READ THE "KNOWN PROBLEMS AND PLANNED CHANGES" BOX BEFORE MODDING!

  1. Hitsounds are inconsistent and will be fixed at a later date.
  2. The fourth kiai time is being completely remapped. Do not mod this section.
  3. Massively inconsistent difficulty throughout the song is being looked into.
  4. First 23 seconds will be either entirely remapped or slightly remapped.
Note: All times are in Pacific Standard Time
05/06/2016 3:18am - Map completed and ready for modding.
05/06/2016 5:12am - Applied Asaiga's mod.
05/06/2016 5:15pm - Applied Rachneru's mod and the start of Osuology's mod.
05/06/2016 5:35pm - Small consistency edit.
05/06/2016 7:37pm - Applied TenkaiPalm's mod.
05/07/2016 1:01am - Applied squirrelpascals's mod.
05/10/2016 4:59am - Applied abanes16's mod.
05/10/2016 6:35am - Trying a fix on the triplet jump readability. Thanks to Kisses for the idea.
05/13/2016 8:18am - Mild edit to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd kiai times.
05/13/2016 8:43am - Small readability edit.
05/13/2016 9:12am - Applied -Harpuia-'s mod.
05/13/2016 9:57pm - Applied -Faded-'s mod and edited combo colours (as given by MrSergio).
  1. Asaiga
  2. Rachneru
  3. Osuology
  4. TenkaiPalm
  5. squirrelpascals
  6. abanes16
  7. -Harpuia-
  8. -Faded-
  9. MrSergio
  10. Kuki
  1. Colors for the alpha playtest and feedback that made my map ready for modding.
  2. Microsoft Vista for the alpha playtest.
  3. Osuology for the HUGE mod. One hour spent on just 20 seconds, and a few more days to finish the rest of it.
  4. squirrelpascals for the HUGE mod and the star.


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Shizuku-
PH
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Shizuku-
So you finally submitted this map. I hope #modhelp helped you a lot.
-[ Prxzm ]-
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Shizuku- wrote:

So you finally submitted this map. I hope #modhelp helped you a lot.
Yup! Spent a lot of time working on it, but after two all-nighters and a lot of testplays, finally got it polished and ready for modding! Hopefully I can rank it in the future! ^~^
Asaiga
VN
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Asaiga
First. mod :3

00:20:123 (4) - Should this be put a little bit more further away? This makes the player think they share the same distance, but it doesn't matter since scorev2 hasn't applied yet :P
00:29:445 (2) - Do you find it looks nicer if you move ONLY the slider's head so you can have a more comfortable drop from (1) to (2)?
00:41:659 (3,4,5,3,4,5,3,4,5,3,4,5) - I guess these are playable at a low bpm song
01:35:123 (7,1,2) - Wew xD
No, I don't want to tell you to make it as a normal stream tho I really want it to be. But keep it :P
04:03:945 (4,1) - I know you prefer geometrical patterns but somehow, I see these 2 don't fit in because they are strong beat. just like what you did in the streams, the (1) suddenly goes out the current and come back. And the more I look at it, I don't think this part fits the music, much.

This is so short Dx
I hope I did not overlook any mistakes because I think the slow parts are already fine.

Chill song, nice map. Good luck making it ranked
And a STAR for you since it was shorttt :o
-[ Prxzm ]-
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-[ Prxzm ]-

Asaiga wrote:

First. mod :3

00:20:123 (4) - Should this be put a little bit more further away? This makes the player think they share the same distance, but it doesn't matter since scorev2 hasn't applied yet :PDone. Slider shape also changed to keep flow.
00:29:445 (2) - Do you find it looks nicer if you move ONLY the slider's head so you can have a more comfortable drop from (1) to (2)? Done.
00:41:659 (3,4,5,3,4,5,3,4,5,3,4,5) - I guess these are playable at a low bpm song Yeah, the 1/4 jump is fine, but I'm thinking of changing that part particularly if it comes up in a mod since every playtest the player has either missed a note or got a low acc on the part you linked.
01:35:123 (7,1,2) - Wew xD
No, I don't want to tell you to make it as a normal stream tho I really want it to be. But keep it :PThis is my masterpiece. Unless a BN says, "Remove this or it can't be ranked" then I'm not changing it :P
04:03:945 (4,1) - I know you prefer geometrical patterns but somehow, I see these 2 don't fit in because they are strong beat. just like what you did in the streams, the (1) suddenly goes out the current and come back. And the more I look at it, I don't think this part fits the music, much. If it comes up in another mod I'll see what I can do about that.

This is so short Dx
I hope I did not overlook any mistakes because I think the slow parts are already fine.

Chill song, nice map. Good luck making it ranked
And a STAR for you since it was shorttt :o
Thanks for the mod! ^~^
rawrneru
IS
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rawrneru
I feel like the nc's of the song are a bit off, for example 00:32:659 (1,1) and beyond.

From the start of the song to 00:13:802 the slider velocity is pretty high compared to the lax effect of the song between this timestamp.

Red bar sliders don't usually play well and don't really sound good but if you can pull it off then go ahead.

00:44:659 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - These triplet jumps couldn't be read at all. You could try to change the shape or direction to better fit it or lose it entirely.

01:35:123 (7,1,2) - why?

01:35:552 (4,1,2,3,4,1) - it might be low bpm but this is absolute hell to play

01:46:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6) - not a problem, just a shoutout to how WELL THIS PLAYS HOLY SHIT

I think overall you could improve on placement and slider shape. Good lick!
-[ Prxzm ]-
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Rachneru wrote:

I feel like the nc's of the song are a bit off, for example 00:32:659 (1,1) and beyond. Those were to emphasize the two separate beats and spacing difference. The first 1 is a drum kick, whilst the second 1 is the melody's start.

From the start of the song to 00:13:802 the slider velocity is pretty high compared to the lax effect of the song between this timestamp. Fixed. Now gradually transitions upwards from .8 to 1.2

Red bar sliders don't usually play well and don't really sound good but if you can pull it off then go ahead. It fits with the melody, but I'll consider a remapping of that in the future.

00:44:659 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - These triplet jumps couldn't be read at all. You could try to change the shape or direction to better fit it or lose it entirely. I've been working to think of a way to make this more readable without losing the style. I even tried slowly introducing it by making normal triplets before the section. Will consider making the introduction more gradual in the future.

01:35:123 (7,1,2) - why? This is my masterpiece. Unless a BN tells me to change it in order to rank it, I'll be keeping it.

01:35:552 (4,1,2,3,4,1) - it might be low bpm but this is absolute hell to play There was a spacing error, my bad. It has been fixed.

01:46:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6) - not a problem, just a shoutout to how WELL THIS PLAYS HOLY SHIT Thanks :3 There was a complaint about the second time this rhythm appears, but you say this one plays well so I'll consider taking inspiration from this for the second time the rhythm appears.

I think overall you could improve on placement and slider shape. Slider shapes and placement is currently being fixed through another mod. Good lick!
Thanks for the mod! ^~^
Osuology
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Osuology
16:11 Osuology: when ur scared ppl won't liek ur mpa
16:11 Osuology: map
16:11 -[ Snowflake ]-: I get dat feeling.
16:11 -[ Snowflake ]-: m4m?
16:13 Osuology: ok\
16:14 *-[ Snowflake ]- is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/970461 toby fox - Undertale (Chime Remix) [Undertale]]
16:14 Osuology: my map isn't done btw, it won't be until summer break starts probably, so can I have ticket?
16:16 Osuology: dang that AR in the beginning is killer
16:17 Osuology: 00:00:516 (2,3,4) - would like these perhaps to be more angled than they are
16:17 Osuology: moving the 2 or 4 would be a solution
16:18 -[ Snowflake ]-: How angled?
16:18 -[ Snowflake ]-: I was trying to blanket them there
16:18 Osuology: here is a suggestion: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5094343
16:18 Osuology: you don't have to follow this if you don't like it
16:20 -[ Snowflake ]-: Seems reasonable, but is it snapped?
16:20 Osuology: snapped to grid you mean?
16:20 -[ Snowflake ]-: Distance
16:21 Osuology: no, but you could curve the slider more so that it would fit, but that wouldn't follow with other sliders. It doesn't matter too much I think anyways, it fits the song since it's a downbeat
16:21 -[ Snowflake ]-: I have to lower the SV of the intro from a previous mod though, so change the SV to .8
16:21 -[ Snowflake ]-: Wait you won't know how I'm fixing the sliders nvm
16:22 Osuology: lol
16:22 Osuology: well in that case
16:22 Osuology: skip to first bookmark?
16:22 -[ Snowflake ]-: First inhierited point.
16:22 -[ Snowflake ]-: or yeah first bookmark
16:23 -[ Snowflake ]-: It lasts until 13s in
16:23 Osuology: this makes it snappy and overlap ugly (overlap isn't ugly unless there's too much going on imo)
16:23 Osuology: 00:16:159 (2) -
16:23 Osuology: so maybe
16:24 Osuology: it's kinda hard to place this properly somewhere else
16:24 Osuology: stacking it is worse
16:24 Osuology: 00:16:159 (2) - maybe place at 464, 264?
16:24 -[ Snowflake ]-: tbh I don't even know how that got there.
16:25 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yup, that works, but then I have to resnap the next slider, no?
16:25 Osuology: mmm
16:25 Osuology: again, it starts on a downbeat, plus the hitsound
16:26 Osuology: I think it's better but if you want to stay inside DS do what you want
16:26 -[ Snowflake ]-: I'm applying your mod how you say it, I just want to apply the mod without ruining the rankability of the song.
16:27 Osuology: I don't think it will, DS isn't everything
16:27 Osuology: there are probably ranked maps out there that never use DS
16:27 -[ Snowflake ]-: Plenty :P
16:28 Osuology: 00:18:088 (3) - ofc, that means you will have to move these sliders accordingly I think
16:28 Osuology: for structuring reasons
16:29 Osuology: 00:17:016 (4) - also, why manually stacked? Is this even intentional? I would just recommend putting it directly on the slider end
16:29 Osuology: it matches more with your style that you've been going with
16:32 Osuology: herro?
16:33 -[ Snowflake ]-: Fixing these sliders.
16:33 Osuology: k
16:33 -[ Snowflake ]-: Almost done tho
16:34 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright done with that. Now let's see here
16:34 -[ Snowflake ]-: `Mmh nope those sliders are fine.
16:35 Osuology: and then the stacked 4?
16:35 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright, stacked it.
16:35 Osuology: 00:18:730 (4,5,1,2) - hopefully you noticed this is a copy paste of the ugly pattern before
16:35 Osuology: with the 2
16:37 -[ Snowflake ]-: Nothing was copied and pasted except the ending, I manually redid that :P
16:37 Osuology: ok
16:37 Osuology: good
16:37 -[ Snowflake ]-: But yeah I fixed it when you mentioned it earlier
16:37 Osuology: good
16:37 Osuology: 00:20:123 (4) - this slider shape doesn't match up with the style imo
16:38 -[ Snowflake ]-: I redid the shape to fit the spacing from an earlier mod. I didn't like the shape either, but wasn't sure how else to fix it.
16:38 Osuology: and also why is it far away from the 3?
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: Distance snap.
16:39 Osuology: oh wait
16:39 Osuology: nvm
16:39 Osuology: I couldn't tell the delay for a sec
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: "00:20:123 (4) - Should this be put a little bit more further away? This makes the player think they share the same distance,"
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: yeah xD
16:39 -[ Snowflake ]-: It was originally closer to it.
16:39 Osuology: yeah it should be further tho
16:39 Osuology: I just suck
16:40 -[ Snowflake ]-: Idk what slider shape to use tho for it to smoothly transition from 3 to 1
16:40 Osuology: how about this? http://prntscr.com/b162jo
16:41 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yup, that works!
16:42 -[ Snowflake ]-: 00:34:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1) - I don't really like this but I'm not sure what to do with it.
16:42 Osuology: we will get to that in a sec here
16:42 -[ Snowflake ]-: Alright.
16:43 Osuology: 00:21:516 (3,4,5) - first, why antijump for no reason where you didn't have them before?
16:48 -[ Snowflake ]-: Hello? o:
16:48 Osuology: hello
16:48 Osuology: I was waiting for you
16:48 -[ Snowflake ]-: I was waiting for you xD
16:49 Osuology: well what did you do with the anti jumps?
16:49 -[ Snowflake ]-: Where?
16:50 Osuology: 00:21:516 (3,4,5) - these
16:50 -[ Snowflake ]-: I left them alone. I was never told to do anything with them o:
16:50 -[ Snowflake ]-: I did stack this 00:22:588 (2) - underneath this 00:22:159 (5) - though.
16:51 Osuology: maybe tell me why they are there? Do they have a reason to exist there?
16:51 Osuology: I would appreciate an answer pls
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: Your messages aren't sending properly >o<
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: They're there to emphasize the melody.
16:52 -[ Snowflake ]-: It's 3 gentle notes, so 3 gentle circles
16:52 Osuology: but
16:53 Osuology: you never did that before with these notes
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: This is a new section.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: The sections are spaced out by a spinner.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: Oh wait.
16:53 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yeah you're right. Right here it's kind of random ewe 00:21:516 (3,4,5) -
16:54 -[ Snowflake ]-: I guess I wanted some originality; didn't want to keep being so repetitive.
16:54 Osuology: yes, that's good but anti jumps are hard to use
16:54 -[ Snowflake ]-: Well, I guess you could argue that musically that is a new section o:
16:55 Osuology: it's incredibly similar to the last one, it's not about the song it's about the structure of your map
16:55 -[ Snowflake ]-: 00:20:123 (4) - Section end 00:20:659 (1) - Section start
16:55 Osuology: lol
16:55 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yeah.
16:55 Osuology: but I don't see a difference
16:55 Osuology: whatever let's move on
16:56 -[ Snowflake ]-: Not going to give me a fix? >o<
16:57 Osuology: I would say just follow previous structuring of patterns, but since you argue that it makes sense musically, I'm gonna leave that for more experienced and well known modders to tell you what to do with it
16:57 -[ Snowflake ]-: I do want to fix it, I just don't know what to do with it.
16:59 Osuology: http://prntscr.com/b168dq
16:59 Osuology: like this maybe?
17:00 -[ Snowflake ]-: Did you turn DS off for that?
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: If you did that's fine, just wondering so I stop struggling to make it like that xD
17:01 Osuology: nope
17:01 Osuology: 1.2 DS right?
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: Why can't I get it then ; ~;
17:01 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yes.
17:02 Osuology: and ofc 00:23:552 (4,5) - these two also
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: Yurp
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: What do I do about the 00:22:373 (1) - ?
17:02 -[ Snowflake ]-: Overlap it under the 5?
17:03 Osuology: 00:22:373 (1,2,3) - this whole pattern I feel is not quite fitting anyways, in terms of placement
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: Wutchu mean?
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: It's the same as the last pattern with that rhythm o:
17:04 Osuology: with rhythm yes
17:04 Osuology: but placement
17:04 Osuology: I said
17:04 -[ Snowflake ]-: Hrmm
17:05 -[ Snowflake ]-: Are you recommending I remove the sliders or place them better?
17:05 -[ Snowflake ]-: Because I know what's wrong with them flow-wise.
17:05 Osuology: place them better, so let me get an example
17:07 Osuology: well
17:07 -[ Snowflake ]-: [http://i.imgur.com/wdsUIlB.jpg ?]
17:08 Osuology: yes the sliders are perfect
17:08 Osuology: the 1 I wouldn't recommend to stack, but DS snapped
17:08 Osuology: anyways I gtg, but I will post the rest of the mod on the topic when I finish this mod (probably in a few days)
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: Umm okei.
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: Can you post the irc mod on the forum?
17:09 -[ Snowflake ]-: [http://i.imgur.com/wIFaDsl.jpg This work?]
17:09 Osuology: perfecto
17:10 Osuology: I will post this on the topic now I guess, so no kds for my later finished mod
TenkaiPalm
US
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Joined February 2014
TenkaiPalm
Hi there :>
Here are my opinions~

Undertale

00:35:873 (6,1,1) - Started new combo? I think you should just keep the combo instead of starting a new one.
Also the pathing of these notes kind of seems odd compared to the rest.
01:22:373 (1,2,3) - This triple kinda seems out of place at this point. :< I hear that it fits the song, but idk what to say here. Feel free not to do anything here.
01:35:123 (7,1,2) - Man I keep trying to do this part, but I can't pass it, kinda seems too difficult D:
03:52:266 (7,1,2) - ^^
04:35:979 (4,1,2) - This space between a continuous stream? Kinda unexpected :(
I noticed you do this in other places, although the difference between this one and the other ones you've got is that the jump is being covered by the previous notes so it's kinda hard to see, making it even harder :(
01:46:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Not a criticism, but I like these jumps :D
04:03:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I kinda want to say keep the triangle jumps you've got going on the earlier parts, but that's your choice.
02:20:231 (1,2,3,4) - Hopefully I can explain this well. The stream portion you've got here ends takes 1 beat according to your timing. The 02:24:088 (1) Little repeaters you've got here do the same, but the out liar is the single slider portion 02:23:230 (1,2,3,4) that takes 2 beats per portion/new combo. Music theory wise, I don't think that fits very well with the song/pattern. If you want me to explain more, just message me~

Overall:
The map kinda seems like it varies in difficulty a bit much, but that's okay. The jumps are really fun in my opinion, but the streams make me wanna cry. ;-; (Not because they're bad, but they hurt my fingers :o)
In total the map is pretty fun :D Good luck ranking it!
-[ Prxzm ]-
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Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

TenkaiPalm wrote:

Hi there :>
Here are my opinions~

Undertale

00:35:873 (6,1,1) - Started new combo? I think you should just keep the combo instead of starting a new one. Fixed.
Also the pathing of these notes kind of seems odd compared to the rest. There was a distance inconsistency. Fixed it.
01:22:373 (1,2,3) - This triple kinda seems out of place at this point. :< I hear that it fits the song, but idk what to say here. Feel free not to do anything here. Changed from a triplet to a single note.
01:35:123 (7,1,2) - Man I keep trying to do this part, but I can't pass it, kinda seems too difficult D: Distance slightly decreased due to several complaints.
03:52:266 (7,1,2) - ^^ Same here.
04:35:979 (4,1,2) - This space between a continuous stream? Kinda unexpected :(
I noticed you do this in other places, although the difference between this one and the other ones you've got is that the jump is being covered by the previous notes so it's kinda hard to see, making it even harder :(Distance fixed, rest of streams modified to flow with this fix.
01:46:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Not a criticism, but I like these jumps :D:D
04:03:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I kinda want to say keep the triangle jumps you've got going on the earlier parts, but that's your choice. I didn't/still don't want to be repetitive, so I used/am using a different pattern. Howbeit, these jumps are getting a lot of complaints, so I'll look into a fix in the future.
02:20:231 (1,2,3,4) - Hopefully I can explain this well. The stream portion you've got here ends takes 1 beat according to your timing. The 02:24:088 (1) Little repeaters you've got here do the same, but the out liar is the single slider portion 02:23:230 (1,2,3,4) that takes 2 beats per portion/new combo. Music theory wise, I don't think that fits very well with the song/pattern. If you want me to explain more, just message me~ I understood what you meant. The circles and the repeaters are hitting 32 notes, but the sliders are only hitting 16 notes. I'll look for a fix in the future.

Overall:
The map kinda seems like it varies in difficulty a bit much, but that's okay. Hard to keep the same difficulty in a map that slows down and speeds up a lot :P The jumps are really fun in my opinion, but the streams make me wanna cry. ;-; (Not because they're bad, but they hurt my fingers :o) It's only a 140 bpm stream xD
In total the map is pretty fun :D Good luck ranking it!
Thanks for the mod ^~^
Xexxar
US
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Joined June 2013
Xexxar
02:17:230 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

lol

atleast you're trying!
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-[ Prxzm ]-
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Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

Xexxar wrote:

02:17:230 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

lol

atleast you're trying!
Xexxar with his classic shitty and pointless commentary :^)

Commentary is still shitty and pointless! :^)
squirrelpascals
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Joined March 2015
squirrelpascals
Heyyy! :o
I suggested a lot of things so don't feel obligated to carry out all of them

○ Tip: View>Grid Level>4 (most space)

○ Erase all tags because they're all included in the metadata by default (-[ Snowflake ]-, Chime Remix, Undertale, etc.). Use other words related to the song that will help the user find your map (good tags might include song themes, related subjects of the song, etc.)

○ I would highly recommend not using the default combo colors! Your map will appear x1000 nicer if your cc's correlate with your bg (which is nice btw :P)

• 00:03:945 (2,4) - put 2 on tail of 4 using above tip

• 00:07:373 (2,4) - Make these so they dont touch. also, you have to end slider 4 at 00:08:123 - to keep a consistent rhythm (the rest of the slider timings are alright)

• 00:10:373 (1) - Place this so it doesn't get in the way of 00:09:730 (4) , you have to make your object placement intentions obvious and look nice

• 00:10:802 (2,4) - Make these so they dont touch. So yeah try to seperate objects like I mentioned more throughout the intro

• 00:28:159 (3,4,5) - Why this antijump? Spacing should correlate to timing here. I personally like this alternative (notice the blanket)

• 00:32:873 (1) - No reason for this nc here, remove it. Nc's of 1 are always used to emphasize the strongest point in the music.

• 00:39:730 (1) - ^^

• 00:41:659 (3,4,5) - In all of my testplays, I read 3 and 4 as a double and 5 as a later note, so I would always hit 5 late. Be consistent in your spacing and stack 5 wtih 3 and 4

• 00:42:088 (1) - and at 00:42:302 ? Because you have that hat playing there

• 00:43:159 (2) - place at x240y40 and move 00:43:480 (3,4) accordingly

• 00:43:588 - Put a circle here. Consistency

• 00:45:088 (3,4,5) , 00:45:945 (3,4,5) , 00:46:802 (3,4,5) , 00:48:516 (3,4,5) - Same as 00:41:659 (3,4,5) . This is extremely hard to read

• 00:52:159 (5,1) - Why not adjust these to stack on 00:51:516 (1,2) ?

• 00:55:802 (2,3) - I'd recommend using one slider and copying/pasting it; will look a lot nicer

• 01:08:659 (1,2,3,4) - Yeah, I liked this pattern a lot. Great example of how you utilized ctrl+c, ctrl+v

• 01:12:088 (1) - move to x412y36, you have to blanket 01:11:230 (4)

• 01:13:802 (4) - adjust this to intercept 2 like my mod above^

• 01:33:088 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - (Looks like a giant mod but really a minor fix :P) The spacing of the sliderheads of (1,2,3,4) should keep consistent with the previous stream spacing (5,6,7,8). Also, try to make the sliderstream intercept the circle stream well. You can do this by simply stacking on notes in the previous stream. Also, try not to have your slidernodes leave the playfeild (you did this in 1). Yes, this is a lot of mods, but here's an example of how I applied them to this section (adjusted slider direction for the sake of the mod): link

• 01:37:373 - missing note, breaks consistency of 01:36:302 (2,3,4,5)

• 01:38:980 - another missing note here. You could probably keep this but it just bothers me bc im hearing a previously mapped note there. You could probably turn that triplet into a stream or something :o

• 01:40:290 - this feels like a slow rhythm for a kinda intense part of the song. Map sliders to the saws as they raise in volume? (01:39:730 something could go here, 01:39:945 (1) - could be a slider, etc etc)

• 01:41:230 (1,2,3,4) - feels too fast paced , space these closer?

• 01:42:945 (1) - the sv slowdown here is kind of uncalled for, it can be used well in this song but you've previously used a fast sv (excluding the wub sliders like 01:39:088 (1) ). I would recommend picking one or the other

• 01:46:373 - This spacing and pattern is well done here, but object placement can improve. For example, 01:46:802 (4) can overlap 01:46:373 (1) completely, 01:47:373 (2) with 01:47:088 (6) , and 01:47:230 (1) should probably be spaced farther. You did this very well here: 01:48:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -

• 01:51:088 - Missing note, see previous mod

• 01:52:695 - Possible note placement, see previous mod

• 01:54:516 - I feel like a slider or something can go here. Theres a pause here and some faint notes in the background

• 01:54:945 (1,2,3,4) - Feels fast paced. See previous mod.

• 01:55:588 - Put something here? Try to fill in these gaps you have in between beats, this is a hyped part of the song and you might be missing some mapping potential (With the exception of 02:00:088 because this is a chiller part of the song).

• 01:55:373 (1,2) - increase spacing

• 01:56:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I see that these are being mapped to the piano, maybe make these kicksliders to help fit that rhythm and speed it up a bit?

• 01:58:588 (2) - Make this a slider, or put one at 01:58:802

• 01:59:230 (3,1,2,3) - this large spaced 1/1 pattern should really start at 02:00:088 , because there's more of a chill change in the song here.

• 02:03:730 (2) - nc here, rather than 02:03:088 (1) ?

• 02:05:445 (1) , 02:15:730 (1) , 02:08:873 (1) and 02:12:302 (1) - Unnecessary, remove nc. See prev. mod at • 00:32:873 (1).

• 02:06:088 (1) - Inconsistent nc this time, you didn't nc this portion at 02:04:373 (4) or 00:30:088 (4) , etc.

• 02:14:016 (2,4) - These should probably blanket with 02:14:659 (5)

• 02:17:230 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Turn these into triplets. Yes, someone may have ss'ed it in a testplay but that doesn't mean its easily playable in general. Keeping a consistent rhythm after each stream and jumping at the same time is a nightmare and will make this a prominent failing point. Removing every 4 from each combo would alleviate this. (The slider parts afterwards are fine and awesome :) )

• 02:29:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - loooove how you did this part <3

• 02:32:016 (2) - You need a nc at every sv change. This is how they're readable even if you may not realize it :P

• 02:32:016 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The spacing in general for these parts all feel very underwhelming for this part, imo. It would be nice to add emphasis by increasing the spacing here (Just use ctrl+shift+s). Also, awesome use of rotation!

• 02:57:730 (5,6,7,8) - Delete 7 and 8 and just use ctrl+c, ctrl+v instead to make this look neater

• 03:32:016 (1) - pointless nc. nc's signify change

• 03:34:373 (4,1) - Space these farther. Looks crammed when you do this too closley

• 03:50:231 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - See mod for • 01:33:088 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4)

• 03:52:909 (1) - remove nc

• 03:54:516 - put a note here. stay consistent with 03:53:445 (2,3,4,5)

• 03:54:730 (2) - put at x136y352 or elsewhere? maybe you can ctrl+c, ctrl+v w/ 03:53:873 (4)

If I modded this whole kiai time them it would be a repeat of mods in between • 01:37:373 and • 01:59:230 (3,1,2,3) , so just revisit those mods

• 04:35:872 (3,4,1,2) - This flow if very awkward and hard to hit

• 04:39:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Woah, calm down dawg fawx, this isn't that intense of a part of the song. This is probably the 5.7* part of the song as well. Keep your stream spacing to replicate that of 04:38:659 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)

Same as above mark, for this next kiai time revisit mods • 02:32:016 (2) through • 02:57:730 (5,6,7,8)

• 05:01:373 (1) - pointless nc

Shweet map, have a star. Good luck!! :)
-[ Prxzm ]-
US
74 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-
Coloured text you used has been changed to blue since all of my text is always in pink.

squirrelpascals wrote:

Heyyy! :o
I suggested a lot of things so don't feel obligated to carry out all of them

○ Tip: View>Grid Level>4 (most space)

○ Erase all tags because they're all included in the metadata by default (-[ Snowflake ]-, Chime Remix, Undertale, etc.). Use other words related to the song that will help the user find your map (good tags might include song themes, related subjects of the song, etc.) Placeholder tag added until I think of some tags.

○ I would highly recommend not using the default combo colors! Your map will appear x1000 nicer if your cc's correlate with your bg (which is nice btw :P) Will change in the future.

• 00:03:945 (2,4) - put 2 on tail of 4 using above tip Unchanged to keep consistency.

• 00:07:373 (2,4) - Make these so they dont touch. also, you have to end slider 4 at 00:08:123 - to keep a consistent rhythm (the rest of the slider timings are alright) First part fixed, second part unchanged to keep consistent with the beat. Instead added a circle 1/4 after the slider to hit the melody and consistently set up the new beat.

• 00:10:373 (1) - Place this so it doesn't get in the way of 00:09:730 (4) , you have to make your object placement intentions obvious and look nice Fixed.

• 00:10:802 (2,4) - Make these so they dont touch. So yeah try to seperate objects like I mentioned more throughout the intro Fixed.

• 00:28:159 (3,4,5) - Why this antijump? Spacing should correlate to timing here. I personally like this alternative (notice the blanket) Fixed.

• 00:32:873 (1) - No reason for this nc here, remove it. Nc's of 1 are always used to emphasize the strongest point in the music. That was accidental. Must've been accidentally added when fixing things for a previous mod but never noticed it.

• 00:39:730 (1) - ^^ Same here.

• 00:41:659 (3,4,5) - In all of my testplays, I read 3 and 4 as a double and 5 as a later note, so I would always hit 5 late. Be consistent in your spacing and stack 5 wtih 3 and 4 Unchanged. Working on a fix for the readability without changing the layout.

• 00:42:088 (1) - and at 00:42:302 ? Because you have that hat playing there Unchanged. Talked about in pm.

• 00:43:159 (2) - place at x240y40 and move 00:43:480 (3,4) accordingly Fixed.

• 00:43:588 - Put a circle here. Consistency There was already a circle there. o:

• 00:45:088 (3,4,5) , 00:45:945 (3,4,5) , 00:46:802 (3,4,5) , 00:48:516 (3,4,5) - Same as 00:41:659 (3,4,5) . This is extremely hard to read Working on a fix. Hang in there :P

• 00:52:159 (5,1) - Why not adjust these to stack on 00:51:516 (1,2) ? Was mapping for HDHR players; talked about in pm. Fixed.

• 00:55:802 (2,3) - I'd recommend using one slider and copying/pasting it; will look a lot nicer Fixed.

• 01:08:659 (1,2,3,4) - Yeah, I liked this pattern a lot. Great example of how you utilized ctrl+c, ctrl+v owo

• 01:12:088 (1) - move to x412y36, you have to blanket 01:11:230 (4) Fixed.

• 01:13:802 (4) - adjust this to intercept 2 like my mod above^ Done.

• 01:33:088 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - (Looks like a giant mod but really a minor fix :P) The spacing of the sliderheads of (1,2,3,4) should keep consistent with the previous stream spacing (5,6,7,8). Also, try to make the sliderstream intercept the circle stream well. You can do this by simply stacking on notes in the previous stream. Also, try not to have your slidernodes leave the playfeild (you did this in 1). Yes, this is a lot of mods, but here's an example of how I applied them to this section (adjusted slider direction for the sake of the mod): link Fixed. This is a drastic and very important change, thanks :)

• 01:37:373 - missing note, breaks consistency of 01:36:302 (2,3,4,5) This is intentional; it's following the melody, not the map.

• 01:38:980 - another missing note here. You could probably keep this but it just bothers me bc im hearing a previously mapped note there. You could probably turn that triplet into a stream or something :oChanged to a stream.

• 01:40:290 - this feels like a slow rhythm for a kinda intense part of the song. Map sliders to the saws as they raise in volume? (01:39:730 something could go here, 01:39:945 (1) - could be a slider, etc etc) Added more circles.

• 01:41:230 (1,2,3,4) - feels too fast paced , space these closer? Spacing was already fixed twice. Leaving unchanged.

• 01:42:945 (1) - the sv slowdown here is kind of uncalled for, it can be used well in this song but you've previously used a fast sv (excluding the wub sliders like 01:39:088 (1) ). I would recommend picking one or the other Unchanged. May fix if it comes up in a future mod.

• 01:46:373 - This spacing and pattern is well done here, but object placement can improve. For example, 01:46:802 (4) can overlap 01:46:373 (1) completely, 01:47:373 (2) with 01:47:088 (6) , and 01:47:230 (1) should probably be spaced farther. You did this very well here: 01:48:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Fixed.

• 01:51:088 - Missing note, see previous mod See previous reply (unchanged).

• 01:52:695 - Possible note placement, see previous mod See previous reply (stream added).

• 01:54:516 - I feel like a slider or something can go here. Theres a pause here and some faint notes in the background Added a circle.

• 01:54:945 (1,2,3,4) - Feels fast paced. See previous mod. See previous reply (unchanged).

• 01:55:588 - Put something here? Try to fill in these gaps you have in between beats, this is a hyped part of the song and you might be missing some mapping potential (With the exception of 02:00:088 because this is a chiller part of the song). Added a circle.

• 01:55:373 (1,2) - increase spacing No need.^

• 01:56:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I see that these are being mapped to the piano, maybe make these kicksliders to help fit that rhythm and speed it up a bit? Unchanged to keep flow and consistency.

• 01:58:588 (2) - Make this a slider, or put one at 01:58:802 Added slider at 01:58:802

• 01:59:230 (3,1,2,3) - this large spaced 1/1 pattern should really start at 02:00:088 , because there's more of a chill change in the song here. Unchanged.

• 02:03:730 (2) - nc here, rather than 02:03:088 (1) ? Fixed.

• 02:05:445 (1) , 02:15:730 (1) , 02:08:873 (1) and 02:12:302 (1) - Unnecessary, remove nc. See prev. mod at • 00:32:873 (1). Fixed.

• 02:06:088 (1) - Inconsistent nc this time, you didn't nc this portion at 02:04:373 (4) or 00:30:088 (4) , etc.Fixed.

• 02:14:016 (2,4) - These should probably blanket with 02:14:659 (5) Fixed.

• 02:17:230 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Turn these into triplets. Yes, someone may have ss'ed it in a testplay but that doesn't mean its easily playable in general. Keeping a consistent rhythm after each stream and jumping at the same time is a nightmare and will make this a prominent failing point. Removing every 4 from each combo would alleviate this. (The slider parts afterwards are fine and awesome :) ) Different change added. Talked about in pm.

• 02:29:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - loooove how you did this part <3 <3 ^w^

• 02:32:016 (2) - You need a nc at every sv change. This is how they're readable even if you may not realize it :PWas meant to be an NC originally. Fixed.

• 02:32:016 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The spacing in general for these parts all feel very underwhelming for this part, imo. It would be nice to add emphasis by increasing the spacing here (Just use ctrl+shift+s). Also, awesome use of rotation! Talked about in pm. Will fix in the future.

• 02:57:730 (5,6,7,8) - Delete 7 and 8 and just use ctrl+c, ctrl+v instead to make this look neater Fixed.

• 03:32:016 (1) - pointless nc. nc's signify change Accidental. Fixed.

• 03:34:373 (4,1) - Space these farther. Looks crammed when you do this too closley Sticking with DS, but moved very slightly.

• 03:50:231 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - See mod for • 01:33:088 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) Fixed.

• 03:52:909 (1) - remove nc Done.

• 03:54:516 - put a note here. stay consistent with 03:53:445 (2,3,4,5) Unchanged. Talked about previously.

• 03:54:730 (2) - put at x136y352 or elsewhere? maybe you can ctrl+c, ctrl+v w/ 03:53:873 (4) Fixed, c/ped 4.

If I modded this whole kiai time them it would be a repeat of mods in between • 01:37:373 and • 01:59:230 (3,1,2,3) , so just revisit those mods Aforementioned.

• 04:35:872 (3,4,1,2) - This flow if very awkward and hard to hit Large fix implimented.

• 04:39:516 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Woah, calm down dawg fawx, this isn't that intense of a part of the song. This is probably the 5.7* part of the song as well. Keep your stream spacing to replicate that of 04:38:659 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) Unchanged for now. Might change if it comes up in the future, will change if a BN tells me to.

Same as above mark, for this next kiai time revisit mods • 02:32:016 (2) through • 02:57:730 (5,6,7,8) Aforemetnioned.

• 05:01:373 (1) - pointless nc Also accidental. Fixed.

Shweet map, have a star. Good luck!! :)
Thanks for the mod and the star! ^~^
Shishou
PH
399 posts
Joined November 2014
Shishou
Hi
M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/441302

[Undertale]

00:02:445 (2,3) - fix blanket

00:04:159 (3,4) - move this two a bit lower so that it won't overlap here 00:03:516 (1) -

00:09:730 (4,1) - fix blanket

00:56:659 (3) - ctrl+h then distance it a bit

01:00:088 (1,1) - fix overlap

01:01:802 (1,3) - stack

01:06:945 (3) - distance it a bit so that it wont overlap

01:42:945 (1,3) - blanket

02:35:444 (1,5) - stack

02:38:873 (1,5) - ^

04:09:945 (1,3) - ^

04:12:945 (3,5) - fix overlap. move it a little higher

05:01:373 (7,1) - why you always repeat this slider? I'm not saying to you to change that but if you always use that kind of slider it will be kinda boring


That's all good luck in ranking your map :D
-[ Prxzm ]-
US
74 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

abanes16 wrote:

Hi
M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/441302

[Undertale]

00:02:445 (2,3) - fix blanket Fixed.

00:04:159 (3,4) - move this two a bit lower so that it won't overlap here 00:03:516 (1) - Done.

00:09:730 (4,1) - fix blanket Fixed.

00:56:659 (3) - ctrl+h then distance it a bit Unchanged. This is intentional.

01:00:088 (1,1) - fix overlap Fixed.

01:01:802 (1,3) - stack Done.

01:06:945 (3) - distance it a bit so that it wont overlap Done.

01:42:945 (1,3) - blanket Fixed.

02:35:444 (1,5) - stack This entire section will be remapped in the future, so I'm leaving it for now.

02:38:873 (1,5) - ^ ^

04:09:945 (1,3) - ^ ^

04:12:945 (3,5) - fix overlap. move it a little higher Fixed, following notes repositioned as well.

05:01:373 (7,1) - why you always repeat this slider? I'm not saying to you to change that but if you always use that kind of slider it will be kinda boring Aforementioned, the section will be remapped in the future.


That's all good luck in ranking your map :D
Thanks for the mod! ^~^
-Zeraora
PH
602 posts
Joined November 2014
-Zeraora
[Undertale]
General:
  1. HP should be decreased by 1, imo.


Map:
  1. 00:06:088 (3) - Needs emphasis.
  2. 00:08:123 (5) - Flow between 00:07:802 (4,5) - wouldn't be really affected imo, but I think putting 00:08:123 (5) - slightly below the slider end is better. The flow between 00:07:802 (4,5,6) - is too linear for me lel.
  3. 00:14:230 (2,3) - Seems weird. idk. Maybe do it the way you did this 00:17:659 (2,3) - ?
  4. 00:22:159 (5) - Emphsize for consistency.
  5. 00:41:659 (3) - Just put the NC here instead of 00:41:873 (1) - .
  6. If you did the one above, perhaps apply it on the following parts, as well.
    00:44:659 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,2) -
  7. 00:53:338 (3) - There are no significant sounds here imo, so I guess you should remove this...?
  8. 00:53:659 (2) - NC
  9. 00:58:373 (1,2) - Blanket.
  10. 01:05:230 (1,2) - Same here.
  11. 01:29:872 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Try to make this part more rounded.
  12. 01:31:587 (7,8,1,2,3,4,1) - Same here.
  13. 03:46:373 - Same thing for the stream part here.
  14. 01:51:730 (1) - Remove NC.
  15. 02:20:231 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - The way how these overlap each other isn't good imo. Keeping 02:20:659 (1,2,3,4) - a bit away from 02:20:231 (1,2,3) - may fix this.
  16. 04:21:945 (2,3) - Fix blanket.
  17. 04:27:516 (1,2) - Fix blanket.
  18. 04:28:802 (2,3) - Blanket.
  19. 04:30:945 (1,2) - Fix blanket.
  20. 04:37:802 (1) - I suggest making this circle the turning point of the stream. The main beat lands on this part so yea.


Great map!
I hope it helped.
Good luck =w=)/
-[ Prxzm ]-
US
74 posts
Joined June 2013
Topic Starter
-[ Prxzm ]-

-Harpuia- wrote:

[Undertale]
General:
  1. HP should be decreased by 1, imo. Would make the map too easy considering all the recovery points added to the map. Unchanged.


Map:
  1. 00:06:088 (3) - Needs emphasis. Remap of the first 23 seconds and 4th kiai time are coming soon, so this will be unchanged for now.
  2. 00:08:123 (5) - Flow between 00:07:802 (4,5) - wouldn't be really affected imo, but I think putting 00:08:123 (5) - slightly below the slider end is better. The flow between 00:07:802 (4,5,6) - is too linear for me lel. I placed it slightly above to match 00:11:230 (4,5,6) -
  3. 00:14:230 (2,3) - Seems weird. idk. Maybe do it the way you did this 00:17:659 (2,3) - ? Fixed. Thanks.
  4. 00:22:159 (5) - Emphsize for consistency. Placed further away.
  5. 00:41:659 (3) - Just put the NC here instead of 00:41:873 (1) - . Done.
  6. If you did the one above, perhaps apply it on the following parts, as well. Yup! :3
    00:44:659 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,2) -
  7. 00:53:338 (3) - There are no significant sounds here imo, so I guess you should remove this...? There's literally a piano note from the melody right there ewe
  8. 00:53:659 (2) - NC Unchanged. The 1 is where the piano melody starts, the 7 is where it ends.
  9. 00:58:373 (1,2) - Blanket. It was already blanketed, but now I moved it slightly further away.
  10. 01:05:230 (1,2) - Same here. Already blanketed.
  11. 01:29:872 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Try to make this part more rounded. Busy with life atm. Will fix in the future.
  12. 01:31:587 (7,8,1,2,3,4,1) - Same here. Same.
  13. 03:46:373 - Same thing for the stream part here. Same.
  14. 01:51:730 (1) - Remove NC. Done.
  15. 02:20:231 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - The way how these overlap each other isn't good imo. Keeping 02:20:659 (1,2,3,4) - a bit away from 02:20:231 (1,2,3) - may fix this. This is intentional and consistent. May remap section in the future though.
  16. 04:21:945 (2,3) - Fix blanket. Fixed.
  17. 04:27:516 (1,2) - Fix blanket. It was only off by 4 units T^T Fixed.
  18. 04:28:802 (2,3) - Blanket. Already blanketed.
  19. 04:30:945 (1,2) - Fix blanket. Also only off by 4 units T^T Also fixed.
  20. 04:37:802 (1) - I suggest making this circle the turning point of the stream. The main beat lands on this part so yea. The main beat lands on the 1, the end beat lands on the 8. Unchanged.


Great map!
I hope it helped.
Good luck =w=)/
Thanks for the mod! ^~^
-Faded-
GB
752 posts
Joined December 2012
-Faded-
Hey, m4m from #modreqs

[General]
  1. Check AIMod, some objects aren't snapped.
  2. I found a watermark at the top left of the image, which is bad because it detracts detail from the image and breaks immersion during play. I made a version without it: http://puu.sh/oQwK8/28a0421e51.jpg


[Undertale]
  1. 00:28:373 (4,5) - Make this rhythm more like 00:31:802 (5,6) - or 00:35:230 (5,6) - . It doesn't make much sense to keep it as it is, as that would be inconsistent with the music.
  2. 00:41:659 (1,2,3) - This pattern can be extremely awkward to read without looking at the approach circles because this is the first time 1/4 is introduced in the map. Replace with something like an ordinarily spaced triplet so people know the general rhythm, and then they'll have a generally idea of what to do when the pattern crops up again at 00:45:088 (1,2,3) - .
  3. 00:58:373 (1) - Curve this slider a bit more so that it blankets nicer over (2). You want to make sure the slidertrail and hitcircle are fully parallel.
  4. 01:02:659 (2) - The blanket here could also use some work, move the head of the slider to x:388 y:156 to make it parallel with (1)'s slidertrail.
  5. 01:05:230 (1,2) - Again, blankets, adjust each slider until the trails are parallel with each other. For general guidance, here's what it should look like.
  6. 01:06:945 (3,4,5,6) - Have a bit more variance here? The second set of notes in the music have a different tone, so you should have the second set of notes in a different place to reflect upon that.
  7. 01:34:588 - Add a note here. Since you're mapping to the drums, it wouldn't make much sense to leave this part empty. It also feels tacky to play since the player has to wait a beat before hitting the next note, despite clearly hearing a drum sound that isn't mapped.
  8. 01:41:552 - Here's another missing beat. This is especially bad due to how it's 1/8, meaning players are likely to misread and hit 01:41:605 (5) - too early. I seriously recommend adding a note here.
  9. 02:00:088 (3) - An NC would be really appropriate here, this is a downbeat and the music completely changes.
  10. 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) - Make this a jump pattern, like the stars you've had in the kiai. The reason for this is because the music isolates all other instruments except for this, making it really powerful. Your beatmap should reflect upon that.
  11. 02:32:016 (1) - Add a bit more variety in terms of slider shapes, seeing the same one for 15 seconds can feel a bit daunting. Same applies for 02:45:730 (1) - as well.
  12. 02:58:159 (7,8) - Reduce the spacing between these notes since the intensity of the music has declined even further.
  13. 03:51:730 - See 01:34:588 -
  14. 03:58:695 (7,8) - See 01:41:552 -
  15. 04:06:373 (6,1,2) - This obtuse angle makes the transition into 1/4 really awkward, I'd make it much sharper so it's enjoyable to play. (<60°)
  16. 04:22:802 (3) - For a nicer blanket, I would curve this slider a bit less. Like I said, make sure the blanket is fully parallel.
  17. 04:24:088 (1,2) - Same issue here, curve this a bit less and make sure that the end of both sliders and the end of (1) are evenly spaced.
  18. 04:21:945 (2,3) - I would replace these sliders with circles. This is because they're on relatively powerful beats, and having circles would make sure that they're all clickable.
  19. 04:28:802 (2,3) - ^
  20. 04:35:979 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why have huge spaced streams on this relatively calm part of the song? You can have spaced streams for the build-up that's a few seconds later (as the music builds up, it should get harder not easier). You have to tone this down a bit.
  21. 04:47:659 (1,2,3,4) - See 02:30:516 (1,2,3,4) -


This is a pretty nice map for the most part; keep an eye on rhythms and gameplay then your map will improve. I shot a star, good luck!
Seijiro
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Idk, I ended up here by chance tbh

General


  • Default ComboColors are sad :'(

    Image
    [Colours]
    Combo1 : 255,193,224
    Combo2 : 128,255,255
    Combo3 : 138,138,255
    Combo4 : 172,100,91

    If you don't know where this code goes: open the .osu and copy/paste this code between the Timing and the Hitobjects section

    I didn't check the exact values, but your BG is not of a recommended size. Either 1366x768, 1024x768 or any other 16:9 or 4:3 res works fine (sorry, you'll have to ask someone else to fix this since I changed pc and I have literally 0 tools on it)

    Remove "placeHolder Tag" from tags please =w="

Undertale


  • 00:09:730 (4) - This slider is inconsistent if you see 00:07:802 (4,5) - (after) and 00:11:230 (4,5) - (before). Above all, the overlap between this slider and 3 is a bit awful to see so you should use the same pattern imo.
    Btw, the beat should go on 00:09:838 - , not on 00:09:730 -

    00:06:088 (3) - Since there is a different note in the music here, I would suggest to use a sharp curve instead. This way you give a bit more of depth to your map. Like this maybe

    00:04:373 (4) - (yeah, I'm going backwards, sorry) The movement here is a bit different from before. This creates a noticeable difference in flow which is a bit stiffer than before. What about rotating 4 like this?

    00:07:802 (4,5) - Back to this pattern I mentioned earlier: probably this is just personal stuff, but the spacing is really meh :v
    As it is now, it doesn't feel like a 1/4 at all: you don't have previous patterns resembling this, nor similar flows elsewhere, therefore feels ugly aesthetically (imo). You should reduce the spacing here imo, as well as for the other similar patterns (the best spacing you could use here would be a stack imo, right under the slider end)
    00:11:230 (4,5) - don't forget to do this for all of them

    00:12:302 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this patterns shows me that no one told you anything regarding emphasis whatsoever so I guess it's my job:
    - first, we need to check where the strong beats are. In most cases, the strong beats fall on the white tick on the time line;
    - in this case tho, the bell is a bit strange and does how it pleases, so I'll tell you where the strong beats fall: 00:12:730 - 00:12:945 - 00:13:588 - ;
    - now that we have the strong beats we just need to make sure that the spacing is coherent. This means that if you have a bigger spacing on a weak note, rather than a strong one, the flow will feel "forced" and will give less "feeling of the song" top the player.
    Now that we have a some sort of guide, here's what I would suggest.
    First of all, avoid putting 00:12:730 (2,3,4,5,6) - in a straight line: as I mentioned above, there are plenty of emphasis changes with these beats and usually a straight line doesn't give a proper feel.
    Secondly, I would increase spacing on the beats I previously mentioned as "strong ones".
    As a test, you should try to make a new pattern by yourself trying to follow those guinelines and then check my suggestion to compare it. I'm not ensuring you will learn everything I have in mind (since it is impossible anyway), but I hope it gives you a little input on how things work):

    Image

    I tried following your style but I gues it's not really accurate, sorry.
    As you can see, the distance between 1, 2 and 3 is equal, because I previously said that 00:12:730 - and 00:12:945 - are strong beats, therefore they need same amount of spacing between them. At the same time, the spacing between 2 and 3 must be lower than the one between 3 and 4, because we have a weak beat on 4.
    Last thing I had to take in consideration was the problem of the spacing between 5 and 6: usually, a 3/4 spacing is hard to map properly since it becomes easily a boring pattern or a nonsensical pattern. Now check how big is the spacing between 2 and 3 and compare it with the spacing between 5 and 6: you will notice that the spacing has been scaled based on the 3/4 snap. To make it more understandable during gameplay I also put 2+3 and 5+6 on parallel lines, so the eyes of the player automatically compare them and notice the difference (really complex stufff you don't really have to remember).
    Ask me in game if you didn't understand the pattern, since I can imagine it is hard to grasp

    00:15:302 (4,5,1) - This kind of overlap is a bit too ugly imo.
    00:15:730 (1,3) - same ^ (I won't give alternatives here since it can be anything as long as the overlap vanishes)
    00:18:945 (5,1,3) - same ^

    00:19:588 (2,3,4) - Do Not Ever Do This. The visual spacing between these 3 objects is the same, but the snap is different. This causes confusion and makes the map sloppy, since the spacing between 3 and 4 is too low. Either decrease spacing between 2 and 3, or increase it for 3 and 4.

    00:20:123 (4,1) - You used higher spacing before for the strong beat on 00:20:659 - tho...

    00:21:088 (2,3) - This is easily mistaken for 00:07:802 (4,5) - , which I told you before to avoid. As it is now, these 2 patterns are in conflict and create a big inconsistency within the map itself. One pattern for one kind of rhythm, don't mix them up if you don't have a clear idea of what you're aiming for please.

    The first section is over, so I have to remind you to re-check all your 3/4 jumps since they usually are really inconsistent and not so intuitive.

    00:41:659 (1,2,3) - There is no need for the NC to begin with, since it doesn't really change stanzas here. Also, here's a little protip: when you're mapping on a foreground sound (in this case the bell/keyboard/whatever that high pitch sound is) and you want to add a soft instrument playing into background which is faster than the foreground you're following, you use a repeat slider.
    The logic behind all this is that: you click only on the strong beat of the foregroung, yet you let the player hear the soft beats of the background instrument. This way you keep both and playability increases by far. What I mean

    00:42:516 (2,3,4) - I would apply the same pattern to these objects too ^
    Since it is the same sound, it deserves the same pattern

    00:43:159 (2) - Same as above ^ In this case you have to split this slider: one circle at 00:43:159 - and one 1/4 repeat slider at 00:43:373 - instead of 00:43:480 (3,4) -

    00:45:088 (1,2,3) - I just noticed, but you place 3 1/4 objects in the following manner: first 2 objects stacked and the third one far away from them -- NO.
    The song doesn't give such strong feeling imo and it is also too hard compared to the rest of the patterns used since now. If you really want that jump make sure to use a 1/4 slider for the first 2 objects instead.

    00:45:088 (1) - remove NC
    00:45:945 (1) - same ^
    00:46:802 (1) - same ^
    (Generally, avoid placing 1 NC every 1 measure since it looks overdone and also inconsistent seeing how constant the song proceeds with the same rhythm.
    Remove the other NCs on your own, since it keeps repeating)

    01:00:088 (1,1) - little overlap I would totally avoid

    00:58:373 (1) - this shape is a bit too sloppy and tells me nothing. Why is that slider there? Why it has that shape? Try to give more reasons to it if you can.

    01:01:802 (1) - Good blanket, 01:02:659 (2,3) - but random shapes, or rather, they look like you didn't give them much thought

    01:05:230 (1,2) - blanket, fsss

    01:31:587 (7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - We both know you should work on making this shape more "curvy" xP

    01:34:695 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I just... this isn't so readable you know. There is nothing telling the player to jump on 1/4 notes like that at all: not a single 1/4 slider, not a single NC, nothing. As it is now, I highly doubt about it tbh...

    ok... now that I look at the kiai overall, it looks a bit too messy compared to the rest of the map. What I mostly see here is that you tried to make someting you're not sure about. Using different SVs here and there, using different snaps (1/4 and 1/3) and trying to alternate between rhythms which have no points on which they converge.

    02:05:230 (1) - random NC appears
    02:08:659 (1) - same ^
    02:12:088 (1) - same ^ (am I missing something here? It looks like it is consistent for this section, but I can't understand what you're referring at)

    02:17:659 (1) - remove NC
    02:18:516 (1) - same (and so on)

    02:33:945 (7) - There are two sounds here tho, one starting where this slider starts and one starting where this slider ends. 2 1/4 sliders would work better imo
    02:37:374 (7) - same
    02:40:802 (7) - same
    02:44:231 (7) - same (I guess you get it)

    02:56:873 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This combo really stands out for how clean and fitting is for this part of the map. I wish you used more clean patterns like this for all the map

    03:14:230 (4,5) - Hear the song here and you'll notice that a slider would fit better instead. Also, the spacing is a bit awkward, but idk why...

    03:17:445 (1,2,3) - Please, decrease spacing here, this part of the song is calmer. Also, move the NC on 3
    03:24:302 (1,2,3) - same

    03:35:659 (1) - random NC appears

    03:49:373 (1) - Another random NC

    03:51:838 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - uh... again this pattern with the 1/4 jumps in the middle. This time I guess it is more ordered tho, even if I find the jumps still too much

    04:12:195 (2,3,4,5,1) - first time that you change this pattern here. It had a totally different rhythm before...

    04:41:873 (1,2) - NC goes on 2

    The last kiai is repeated so just follow same things of the second kiai (if any)

    05:15:088 (1) - Why NC on this, but not on 02:57:945 (6) - ? Be consistent: either NC on both, or on none

I avoided mentioning hitsounds in order to not make this post longer than it needs to be for now.
Hope this helped you understand how mapping works a little better.
Have fun~


PS: catch me in game if you need further explanations about the mod, since I know it is a bit hard at first~
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