kogasa wrote:

hello! i'm here with a (VERY late, sorry!) mod from my queue!

since the song is sort of long, i'll only mod the difficulties you asked me to x_x

[ Futsuu]

1. 00:16:376 (41,42,43,44) - why not d? the pitch is going down actually, and it doesnt land on a snare, and it would match 00:26:481 (65,66,67,68) Ya it's changed, i make that k because it's for variety, but i think that's no good.
2. 02:16:060 (320) - ^
3. 02:32:797 (357,358,359,360) - ^

[ Muzukashii]

1. the sv changes really really confuse me, since they arent in futsuu (or kantan, im assuming), and it seems like futsuu is faster for the entire song (and obviously, faster = harder to read for newbies and some songs). the speed changes also dont feel very smooth, and in comparison to futsuu thats really fast and energetic, the slow downs make it feel... kind of dragging in all honesty. you should probably either apply them to all difficulties or just remove them. you could also just make futsuu and kantan (assuming) slower, but. *shrugs* That's why it called "Muzukashii", because SV changes make it a little harder to read than "Futsuu" . For futsuu speed, i want to reduce the speed too, but when i see other ranked maps, they don't do reduce the SV, maybe because Futsuu note density is lower than Muzu, so it's not a problem imo. (look at https://osu.ppy.sh/b/345481 map, it have a faster BPM but without SV change).
2. also, im going to be honest when i say the patterns feel sort of repetitive. i dont think many people will mind, but i found myself wanting more variety. even just inversions. For pattern yea it's repetitive because the song is also have a repetitive lyric and music, so i just following the consistency not a variety.
3. 00:08:955 (32) - i feel like this should be a k for consistency, since youve been using them on 1/2 notes after the snares. you also use this pattern here: 00:13:691 (49,50,51,52) (and here 00:23:797 (93,94,95,96) ) Changed, That's have a higher pitch
4. other than that, everything else seems fine as is

overall, there isnt much i can say, i think its already been relatively polished. also, these are all just suggestions of course, so feel free to reject anything!

i hope i could at least be of some use! good luck!

1. Muzukashii: This diff is basically Oni without 1/4, and sometimes that works, but when Oni doesn't use very many hard patterns, it makes Muzukashii look A LOT like Oni. This is bad because it means Futsuu will look like a Muzukashii. But here's the next problem...
   
   
2. Futsuu: Too simple. Muzukashii has some consistent 1/2, but Futsuu stays on 1/1 a lot. You should not be afraid to use 1/2. It is meant to show up in Futsuu diffs. Just make sure it's not too constant (add breaks) or it'll look like a Muzukashii.
   
   
3. Kantan: The same. There's not much you can do. Once you fix Muzukashii and Futsuu, it'll be obvious how Kantan should look like. But basically, [b]you don't need 4/1 breaks EVERY 3 NOTES, you can have way more 1/1 than you have right now, and as long as you use breaks at the end of phrases and other good spots, it'll be perfectly fine.

OzzyOzrock wrote:

Hi! I have good news and bad news

Good news: Oni is really really good! Thanks, it's because so many helpful mod from surono and other modder xD
Bad news: The spread in other diffs isn't. Ya, i always have a problem in diff spread :3


Just as a general overview, here are problems to look at:

1. Muzukashii: This diff is basically Oni without 1/4, and sometimes that works, but when Oni doesn't use very many hard patterns, it makes Muzukashii look A LOT like Oni. This is bad because it means Futsuu will look like a Muzukashii. But here's the next problem... I'll decreased some note on this
   
   
2. Futsuu: Too simple. Muzukashii has some consistent 1/2, but Futsuu stays on 1/1 a lot. You should not be afraid to use 1/2. It is meant to show up in Futsuu diffs. Just make sure it's not too constant (add breaks) or it'll look like a Muzukashii.
   
   
3. Kantan: The same. There's not much you can do. Once you fix Muzukashii and Futsuu, it'll be obvious how Kantan should look like. But basically, [b]you don't need 4/1 breaks EVERY 3 NOTES, you can have way more 1/1 than you have right now, and as long as you use breaks at the end of phrases and other good spots, it'll be perfectly fine.

So yeah, I just didn't want to waste time by picking out a ton of stuff, so I'll give you this and come back once you've looked at stuff yourself! Yea, Thanks for coming to check my map.

Yoratama wrote:

if added more note it will exceed the maximum SR, but since the SR is not too important, i'll ignore that.
Learning so much from your post xD

Backfire wrote:

[General]

Is Little Busters related to the song? Just wondering, because it's a BG of little busters and maybe you could pick a more generic band bg to be more appropriate but, it's alright anyways if it isn't. i have searching a silent sirent that have cartoonized, but i can't find that. so i just put an anime band wallpaper that fit on vocalist and drummer.

[Kantan]

01:03:112 (113,118) - Maybe these two could be kat? I feel like ddd is kind of a little too simple, since these seems to be a little harder than normal kantan (which is fine) it make a little harder , but yeah i applied that
01:57:744 - kat, because it does change to like a different vocal rhythm or whatever. Yes that better to ddddkkkk
That's all, good diff albiet maybe too hard.

[Futsuu]

Everything looks good there buddy

[Muzu]

00:41:323 (165,166,167,168) - same as in oni, seems just weird and you should do ddd k instead. Seems to be this way in all diffs so maybe make sure to change it in all. Yes, following oni.
Well, that didn't have many problems either, i'm starting to feel this is just ready for rank.

[Oni]

00:41:323 (233,234,235,236,237) - this is also pretty much not correct, ddddk is more indicative of this sound, although I do understand kat = cymbals/snares but, for this in particular, its not right. Yeah, i apply this, so many mention this
02:25:534 - Ok these 1/4 are just unnecessary, I suggest mapping this normal lol sorry Umm no, this map is really easy to get FC for top players, so i just want to increase this hardness a little to make it a little hard to FC.
Well the rest seems adequate, good diff.

Yoratama wrote:

Backfire wrote:

[General]

Is Little Busters related to the song? Just wondering, because it's a BG of little busters and maybe you could pick a more generic band bg to be more appropriate but, it's alright anyways if it isn't. i have searching a silent sirent that have cartoonized, but i can't find that. so i just put an anime band wallpaper that fit on vocalist and drummer.

Doyak wrote:

Alright, sorry for being late and here's my m4m. Still the exam is not done but got a bit of time. (You won't expect a bubble from a std BN, would you? xD) Sure im not lol xD

[General]
* How about moving the first kiai to 00:11:639 - ~ 00:29:323 - instead of 00:29:323 - 00:40:691 - ? It's just the same cycle of the song as 01:12:270 - 02:10:376 - . Also you can remove 02:48:270 - this kiai too. umm nope, 00:11:639 just too early, because it's not reach 100 combo at Oni on that time, so i put 00:29:323 - for kiai , because it have the most harder part in this song and have a fastest drum rhytm. also for this 02:48:270 - .
so i deny it

[Kantan]
* 00:52:060 (93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107) - Here you have used the exactly same pattern as 00:41:955 (76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) - , which has quite a lot of dons than kats. But I think the later part is more bright, so you could use some more kats there, like 00:52:691 - or 00:53:639 - things. And possibly reduce some notes on the previous part also. Yeah, decreased some note at first part.
* 01:42:270 - 01:44:797 - 01:47:323 - 01:49:849 - 01:52:376 - 01:54:902 - Consider adding k's here? The 'Cherry Bomb' thing is very attractive but you made the whole thing too empty I think. You have 4/1 breaks after each of them so some emphasis on them wouldn't hurt. Yeah added
* 02:08:797 - k? This one has a bit high tone and it was all d d k patterns before but only this one's not. Also too many d's so yeah.yeah it's k when i hear this using earphone
* 02:35:955 - missing note? unlike before yeah thanks xD
* 02:47:007 - 02:47:323 - would like to use two D's here, as it doesn't have a vocal, and obviously the drum pattern is different than the previous 4/1s. yup i think im forgot and make that's K, also in other this this part is DD

[Futsuu]
* 00:11:639 (30,31,32,33) - I think the one on 00:12:270 - should be k, because I know you're focusing on the snare drums but not strictly like 00:17:639 - 00:18:270 - etc. The vocal there is way too high than others so maybe ddkd or dkkd would work better. Same for 00:14:165 - as well, and all others. i keep that dkdk because i use don 00:12:270 on all diff, so i don't change that for consistenncy, and no for 00:14:165 because dddk more fit and easier than kddk
* 00:13:218 (34,35,36,37) - I'd really like to suggest this rhythm for all the similar parts: http://puu.sh/pxmWi/30d38aae47.jpg Because, you're neglecting all these 'vocal-strong' beats like 00:13:376 - while you put the note on a weak beat 00:13:534 - (at least it's much weaker than the downbeats 00:12:902 - ) [color=##40BF00]i made like that before i remap that, and thats the way too hard for newbies (i spectate newbies playes to play this, and they always fail at that part, so they always fail at chorus part. but yeah i changed that again to follow muzukashii pattern.[/color]
* 00:39:428 - k--d--d-k? The tone is like that no, i this this d d k k , because 00:40:376 - higher pitch than 00:39:902 - and increasing at 00:40:691 - , also make this 00:39:428 - to make contrast with previous pattern. kkkd
* 00:51:112 - the 3/2 gap is weird so how about adding a k? Like you were focusing on the drums, but why not here? yeah, make that k d kd
* 01:05:007 - add k like 01:02:481 - no, i miss adding 01:02:481 , that part is empty
* 01:07:534 - 01:08:165 - Having no note here feels too empty, just fill them out so that you can represent all the interesting 1/1 drums. oke, added d to make it easier
* 01:37:218 - 01:39:744 - Obvious sounds, so why not add a note? 3/2 gap is weird if you have a good sound to fill an 1/2 out. yeah it's filled now
* 01:58:376 - Why kd? The vocal just goes up as same as 01:57:744 - 01:57:902 - , so dk works better imo. Same for Muzu and Oni. Nope, i think that's is reverse vocal.
* 02:07:849 - would go with d--d--k--k--k because the pitch is exactly like that.Changed to whole diffs

[Muzukashii]
* 00:24:902 - Suggest this rhythm: http://puu.sh/pxqAN/10c430994c.jpg represents the vocal better. Yup, that's better, chandeg
* 00:27:586 - Move this to 00:27:428 - here? I think there's no need to skip that beat while the vocal is a 1/1 consistent. yea moved
* 00:30:428 - 00:32:955 - Consistency? Same for 00:35:481 - and 00:38:007 - and the last part too. nope, i deliberate deleting 00:32:955 -to make variation and make a higher gap to oni.
* 00:38:955 - k? These drums are consistent sound. too many k there, so i make d, and that,s to make a little harder
* 00:42:744 - 00:45:270 - and all similar beats - add something, it has a clear drum sound and this is too similar to Futsuu and far from Oni. added some note
* 00:50:797 - This triplet seems too much for me, I think even 1 note is enough? I don't hear anything to emphasize. yea i think i miss-added a note again. that's really 1/2.
* 01:00:428 - Rather this place deserves another note. added
* 01:01:060 - Same no here, that's for brak and to make same with 01:07:376 -
* 01:01:376 - And here seems good for a triplet i think there's no sound to call for triplet there
* 01:02:165 - From here to 01:07:060 - : If you split this part into 4 pieces (measures), You have a triplet on 2nd and 3rd, but not on 1st and 4th, which is weird. They're basically the same rhythm. If you bind the measures, it should be 1-2 and 3-4, so if you made a triplet on the 2nd, there should another one on the 4th as well, not on 3rd. Or 1st-3rd works too, but 2nd-3rd is just weird. That's only 3 part so now i just only added at 2nd part
* 01:07:376 - This place deserves a note much more than 01:09:902 - Umm yeah deleted 01:09:902 -
* 02:09:428 - Why not add another k? That will be same with oni.

[Oni]
* 00:24:902 - http://puu.sh/pxskO/8f6cd2bdb1.jpg to represent the vocal better, also why do you neglect 00:26:165 - ? Same for all similar parts.Keep my pattern, i think my pattern flow is better, i don't fill that because i think there's no sound and my pattern end 00:26:007 - so i give a break there
* 00:42:586 (240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248) - Use this rhythm to 00:45:112 (251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260) - as well, because they're basically the same rhythm, so I don't see a reason to use the rhythm differently. That's for variation, and that's follow drum and vocal better.
* 00:48:586 - http://puu.sh/pxsyB/dbbd7823f5.jpg Nope, i following drum there and to make it consistent with 2 - 4 - 2 -4 pattern 00:48:586 (267,268,269,270,271,272,273,274,275,276,277,278) -
* 01:09:902 - I'd delete this note because there's a 'stop' on the drum pattern, so you might as well need to represent it somehow.nice one, deleted like muzukashii
* 01:36:586 - 01:39:112 - Would better to fill these out, as you were following the 1/1 drums quite well with the kats. You already have enough rests on 01:35:165 - 01:37:691 - yap that's filled
* 01:50:955 - 01:53:481 - Add something here, to make it slightly buffed than 01:45:112 - this part. (Yes I know there are triplets later, but I mean not only there, but also add something here too)
* 01:59:639 - You can add a 9 notes stream to represent the 1/4 drums too. This feels too empty and not different than Muzukashii. yeah, i'll try that
* 02:25:534 (818,819,820,821,822,823,824,825) - This is very unpleasant to play, because they're just a regular vocals that doesn't support the 1/4 doublet patterns. I know your intention but this just feels awkward. So many peaople noticing about this, and yeah i'll change this now

That's all from me. Good luck~

-NanoRIPE- wrote:

aku rasa Tag "rock j-pop" di hapus aja deh ~ karena nanti kalau mau ranked/quailfield kan di beri genre ~ jadi nggk perlu di tambah di tag genrenya Oke nanti di hapus kalo udah mau ranked,soalnya liat map lain juga pada pake genre.
dan juga "cut version",tagnya tertulis cut version tapi durasinya 3 menit? knp nggk ganti jadi full version? Untuk Penjelasan Cut Version liat di Page pertama, Surono Mod
terus tambahkan tag "Dreamusic" karena itu adalah produser silent siren ~ dan terakhir tambahkan "Saisai" yahh karena itu nama lain dari Silent siren ~
check : https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_SirenOke!

Etsu wrote:

Hello!

No kudos...

I was playing this kawaii song and I like :3

Although the preview point does not seem (when I select the map)... better than good in 01:11:955 - by the choir, so it is full this map imo

I like this map here I leave a star ^^

Good luck for your ranked

Doyak wrote:

Here's some more words (no kds)


[Muzukashii]
* 01:01:060 - 01:07:376 - Yeah but as I said, 3/2 gap doesn't really make the players to rest, because that's a hard rhythm. Rather, the missing drum beat there makes it awkward. Ok
* 02:09:428 - Yes, but you don't need to always make every pattern easier than Oni when it's already an easy pattern. Think about this diff itself, it's weird to miss a strong sound like that while all these 4 have basically same impact, and it's not a hard pattern at all as a Muzukashii. Yeah

[Oni]
* 00:26:165 - "because i think there's no sound" what? The drums there are just 1/1 repeating, so there's clearly a strong drum sound there. The weak ones are all on the red ticks, so I don't get it. Oke, changed to ddkkddk d not ddkkdkd d because that flow is bad
* 00:43:849 - So this is how you represented the drum, because there's no drum. But you said 00:45:112 (251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260) - this is following the vocal and the drum, which I don't quite get, because you're basically ignoring all the drum-stops there. That's 'only' following the vocals in my eyes. And obviously you're 100% back to the drums after that because you neglected 00:48:902 - this important vocal beat. Then you even put a note on 00:49:376 - , which doesn't have any sounds, so the only thing I can think of is that you're emphasizing 00:49:218 - this vocal again? So I don't get what you're following here, it's just very inconsistent for me.

Mako Sakata wrote:

Metadata and tags sugestion is not warant for a kudosu, be careful next time!
Aku kasih kudosu buat gantiin kudosu yang denied, good luck~

Nyan wrote:

[Kantan]

All below mods in Kantan is not necessary, just some suggestions

00:51:428 - add a kat Nope, that's for break

00:20:481 (36) - "cherry cherry bomb" part can have 2/1 kat or Big kat Same reason ^
01:21:112 (136) - ^
02:19:218 (231) - ^
02:36:902 (262) - ^

[Futsuu]

01:07:060 (185) - add Finish nice
01:10:849 (193,194,195) - add Finish Yup That's good
01:11:955 (196) - remove Finish Removed the finisher
01:40:060 (278) ~ 01:55:218 (318) - endless repeat of d_k _ d_k _ k _ d.. needs to change a bit like muzu pattern I think that's fine, muzu have a repetitive pattern tooo (d_k__d_k_d_k__d but with increasing note 1/1
02:00:270 (332) - add Finish No finisher sound there.
02:01:376 (335) - remove Finish No, finisher is there not 02:00:270
02:03:902 (343) - remove Finish and kat Same ^
02:06:428 (351) - remove Finish

[Muzu]

01:10:060 (291,292,293,294) - k_d_k_k Nope, because this 01:10:691 - note must be don not kat
01:10:849 (295,296) - add Finish Yes, added the three note like futsuu
01:11:639 (298,299) - 1/4 ddd Nope, that will be like oni.

muzu is fine

Raediaufar wrote:

mod as requested

[Oni]

click

00:18:586 (86) - k? pitch vokal Oke , di apply juga ke part lain

00:25:691 (127) - k, kedengaran pas sama vokal kalo ini di k No, udahj ane tulis alasanya di mod doyak

01:02:323 - add d? ada yg kurang kalo gak dikasih apa apa disini Nice, added.

01:09:902 - add d, ada suara gitar yg lumayan dominan sama juga buat bikin break 1 beat jadi sama kek 01:07:534 - ke 01:07:849 - , 01:08:481 - ke 01:08:797 - sekira gak bingungin player entar pas maen :') enggak deh kyaknya, soalnya disitu empty sound

01:19:217 (445) - k, alasannya ya sama kek vokal tadi (partnya sama sih sebenarnya) Same

01:26:322 (486) - k, vokal juga ini same

01:57:744 - uhh gimana ya ini, lagunya di part ini udah pada saat klimaks nya tapi patternnya malah dikasih mudah. Gak sinkron sih imo.
Saran pattern http://puu.sh/pIFlt/ae5dabcd46.jpg (yang gue highlight itu big D sama big K), note pertama di ss itu diawali di 01:57:744 - Oke ane coba pattern ente, cuman note yg dibelakang finisher ane hapus

02:00:981 (696) - move ke 02:00:818 - , perasaanku kalo alternate cocoknya disitu sih bukan ditembat yg awal kamu taroh itu. Dan ngepas juga sama yg disini 02:03:428 - Tetep disitu, itu note udah dipindah beberapa kali, first di 02:01:139 - kemudian ada yg mod di tempat yg kamu sugget 02:00:823 - ada lagi yg bilang gak pas, harusnya di posisi yg sekarang 02:00:981 - , selera org beda2 sih xD. kalo menurut ane pas disitu jadi ane keep aja xD

02:17:323 (786) - k same

02:24:428 (827) - k same

02:35:165 - add d, rasa kurang gimana gitu ngghh disamain pattern sebelumnya

[Muzukashii]

click

00:32:955 - add k, samain 5 note 5 note kek yg lain lah. Suaranya juga gak beda beda amat disitu kalo ane tambah don disitu nati jadinya 3 pattern yg sama berturut2. 00:33:744 - 00:35:007 - . kalo ane tambah kat, suaranya malah gak pas, makanya ane hapus note disitu.

00:38:007 - ^ Same reason ^

01:57:744 - part ini juga kurang impactnya deh disini. Tapi kalo yg ini b isa dijadiin finisher aja di 01:57:744 (486,488) -Terlalu suah kalo add finisher disitu, nantinya juga suaranya jadi gak rapih.

[Futsuu]

click

00:29:639 - add k, rasa ada yg kurang disini kalo gak ditambah note Itu sengaja buat break, kalo disitu add note, nanti disini 00:34:691 - juga ane harus add note, jadinya kepanjangan

00:51:586 - hmm add k? tadinya juga disitu ane add note don, cuman spacingnya terlalu hard buat futsuu, jadi ane hapus

02:34:376 (429) - k nice for variation., liriknya juga beda disitu

Untuk kantan gue cuman kurang yakin aja sama pattern kek 00:28:060 (49,50) - 2 finisher dalam satu baris beat o.o hmm kyaknya fine aja deh kalo itu.

OzzyOzrock wrote:

Spread is looking awesome. One last thing though, first kiai Muzukashii needs some 1/4 since it's mapped preeeetty hard in Oni

OzzyOzrock wrote:

I LIKE IT.

Futsuu should have HP 6 instead of the same as Kantan, Muzukashii can be 5 and Oni can be 6.

Volta wrote:

why the little busters bg tho lol it's awesomely fits the song

yo ozzy if this gets bub'd ring my bell

Surono wrote:

oo nah dem, d nex Flying_pan_scorched.3jpg

thats guy d netx flyihnggpean *me traumeh trauMEH* MEH
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Yoratama wrote:

Aawww, all my closest friend at osu are coming!!
Thanks guys!! wwwwwwwwwwww

Volta wrote:

why the little busters bg tho lol it's awesomely fits the song

yo ozzy if this gets bub'd ring my bell

I'll visit your home when it's qualified xDDDDD

Surono wrote:

nice, both of you are is same area? good to know..

waduh, mz Yoga mz Yoga =_=
FBnya si om panci apa, ganteng ga? V:

OzzyOzrock wrote:

It's kind of weird but basically, Oni has high HP because it should be harder to pass. Muzu is at 5 because players shouldn't be TOO punished by missing at this level, and then Futsuu and Kantan are of course high and higher because it's TOO easy to pass.

But I guess 5 6 7 8 would work too if that seems better :p

OzzyOzrock wrote:

Somehow I thought I had bubbled this. I am currently away and will be back in two weeks... I will definitely check and surely bubble then! Maybe find another BN in the meantime, now that they know a bubble is likely.

1. 00:42:586 - dan 00:45:112 - hapus untuk lebih menekankan gitar di note sebelumnya
2. 00:46:060 - hapus dan 00:46:691 - pindahkan ke 00:46:376 - untuk menciptakan rhythm yang lebih konsisten
3. 00:51:428 - tambahkan k agar transisi ke section selanjutnya lebih mulus

Yogatama wrote:

Surono wrote:

Yogatama wrote:

The Anteks is real., Vrooo0o0ohhh buru direply modnya si panci gosong U: