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What's wrong with TV sized maps?

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-Makishima S-

Stefan wrote:

more like: What's wrong with players getting pissed off about TV Size maps
Certain guy with 5k pp here tend to call out people for playing TV-size maps like it is something wrong while most of his top plays are...... tv-size+DT/HR.
People like him openly spreads this hate.

Thank mr stefan

But honestly - whatever if someone plays only tv-size or long size. Skill-wise we are all noobs to Cookiezi 8-)

To visualize what i mean about generic tv-size shitmaps: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5073742 - sightread play, considering my consistency in HD is shit as fuck, explains why personaly i hate this maps >.>
Xyrus_old_1
There's nothing wrong with playing TV sive maps, but as stated before, playing only TV size maps hurts your stamina and consistency.

There are plenty of full size anime song maps out there though. :)
DeathHydra

Xyrusd0t0 wrote:

There are plenty of full size anime song maps out there though. :)
It's quite a lot, but still low compared to the amount of TV-sized maps
Hvick711

[Taiga] wrote:

Stefan wrote:

more like: What's wrong with players getting pissed off about TV Size maps
Certain guy with 5k pp here tend to call out people for playing TV-size maps like it is something wrong while most of his top plays are...... tv-size+DT/HR.
People like him openly spreads this hate.

Thank mr stefan

But honestly - whatever if someone plays only tv-size or long size. Skill-wise we are all noobs to Cookiezi 8-)

To visualize what i mean about generic tv-size shitmaps: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5073742 - sightread play, considering my consistency in HD is shit as fuck, explains why personaly i hate this maps >.>
Out of conext. But hey I am the one spreading the hate.
Yuudachi-kun
Nothing. stop asking
Himiko
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Ryuti
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chainpullz
TV size maps are hype for about a month because they are released alongside the anime. Once the full size song is out, why would I ever want to listen to a shitty cut version? I play osu because I enjoy music, not because I like whacking circles indiscriminately. At some point it just indicates a sign of laziness on the mapper's part imo. I know how much motivation, time, and effort it takes to map the other 3 minutes of the song but christ, if you don't like the song enough to map the whole thing find a different song that you do? Is finding music that you love enough to listen to and enjoy a few hundred times that difficult?
Yuudachi-kun
I play all maps as long as they are physically straining and fun to play. Good music is only a bonus but not a requirement unless I really cannot stand it.
Topic Starter
Hibiya-chan

Synastral wrote:

As someone who has amazing accuracy, decent stamina, and is pretty good at streaming, but horrible at jumps and weird patterns like squares or crosses, TV size maps are like my worst enemy..


since that's all they are 90% of the time

jumps and weird patterns
I'm horrible at jumping and reading weird patterns of maps yet I play these kinds of maps :o :o :o

chainpullz wrote:

I play osu because I enjoy music, not because I like whacking circles indiscriminately.

Khelly wrote:

I play all maps as long as they are physically straining and fun to play.
Me too :) :) :)
Yuudachi-kun
Longstream 250 more.
vsprite
idk just play more
CXu
Playing a full song is the same as playing 2-3 tv sizes in a row.
Himiko
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I Give Up
Fun fact: TV sized maps have harder patterns when compared to longer maps of the same star difficulty.
Genki1000

Himiko wrote:

Playing TV Sizes typically require a very linear set of skills, most of the time being heavily aim-dominant. However, beatmaps of full length songs often incorporate much more than just jump aim-intensive patterns, widening the skillset needed to play them.
TV size maps have more potential for complexity especially on lower level insanes (could be biased since that's what I usually play).

Some TV size maps and shorter maps:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/205684
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/744740
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/607813
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/792365
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/674308
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/417232
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/449848
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/828154

Can you find any full length maps with that kind of mapping at that star rating? I've played my fair share of full length insanes around 4.5* and most of them feel like what CXu said, like playing 2-3 generic TV size maps in a row.

Examples:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/824389
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/794551
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/721225
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/692241
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/544993

tl;dr
Don't put full length maps on a pedestal, they're not as complex as you think.
Complexity comes from the song and not the length. If we had TV size camellia maps, they'd be just as complex.
People who think all TV size maps are jumpfests should stop getting maps from Tillerino.
Xyrus_old_1

Genki1000 wrote:

Can you find any full length maps with that kind of mapping at that star rating?
*Bites thumb and proceeds to draw magic circle on the ground*

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By the power of ppy, I summon thee! COME FORTH!

ENDAARIISU!!!
Himiko
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dung eater
some tv sizes not having a video is wrong
N0thingSpecial
TV size is not giving the song the respect it deserves.
Genki1000

Himiko wrote:

Edit: If you think a significant amount of TV sizes are just like full length mapped songs, you are playing some pretty basic-mapped beatmaps.
I think you mean "a significant amount of full length mapped songs are like TV sizes", because that's what I was trying to say (at least for maps below 5*).

No offense taken by the way I just wanted to clear the misunderstanding that TV size = just aim and bursts (you'll know if you actually played the maps I linked)
Himiko
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Yuudachi-kun
Who the hell downloads the videos anymore? Waste of space and how are you going to watch that and play a map at the same time unless it's like one star
Sup A Noob
On top of that anime openings aren't that nice to watch anyway.
KanoSet

Sup A Noob wrote:

On top of that anime openings aren't that nice to watch anyway.
some of them are decent tho
Himiko
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Yuudachi-kun
Not even your thread mate
chainpullz

Khelly wrote:

Not even your thread mate
Quick, lock thread that's not mine before a sensible counterargument is made so it looks like I won the argument.
Topic Starter
Hibiya-chan

jaaakb wrote:

some tv sizes not having a video is wrong
I agree!

Khelly wrote:

Who the hell downloads the videos anymore? Waste of space and how are you going to watch that and play a map at the same time unless it's like one star
Hai Hai! :)

Sup A Noob wrote:

On top of that anime openings aren't that nice to watch anyway.
I disable the video if they're not my fave (or if I haven't watched the anime yet since some OP video give spoilers to the series).

Himiko wrote:

I need a mod to lock the thread. The main point has already been discussed, so this thread is just turning into a "Bump post count" thread by people stating their own subjective opinions on tangents.
I don't mind it getting locked, but I still wanted to know the insights of others concerning the topic since everyone's got their own opinion.
Battle
people complain about tv sizes getting ranked while other full size maps are waiting in pending, yet I'm pretty sure the players don't actually know how hard it is to rank something long lol. it's a lot easier to get sth ranked that's short because it takes less time to get finished, it's easier to get mods, and it's easier to get bns. if people want to get longer maps then they need to try ranking it themselves :/\/\/
Topic Starter
Hibiya-chan

Battle wrote:

people complain about tv sizes getting ranked while other full size maps are waiting in pending, yet I'm pretty sure the players don't actually know how hard it is to rank something long lol. it's a lot easier to get sth ranked that's short because it takes less time to get finished, it's easier to get mods, and it's easier to get bns. if people want to get longer maps then they need to try ranking it themselves :/\/\/
*Salutes to mappers everywhere*
HeShu
Most have been said about TV sized maps playing-wise, but as Battle stated, the issue is also mapping-wise.

By being shorter, TV-size allows for faster/easier release than longer maps. Modding a 1m30s map is a world different than mapping a 3m/4m long map. Therefore with an higher amount of TV sized maps, it is only logical that common grudge brew against them, from mappers and players (for different reasons in most cases).

It would be nice to have some opinions from BN and mappers on this issue instead of locking the thread just because the issue is tackled-ish player wise.
AncuL

CXu wrote:

Playing a full song is the same as playing 2-3 tv sizes in a row.

except you get one score for a full song, while you get 2-3 scores on tv sizes
Natsu

Battle wrote:

people complain about tv sizes getting ranked while other full size maps are waiting in pending, yet I'm pretty sure the players don't actually know how hard it is to rank something long lol. it's a lot easier to get sth ranked that's short because it takes less time to get finished, it's easier to get mods, and it's easier to get bns. if people want to get longer maps then they need to try ranking it themselves :/\/\/
I never have any problem ranking a 3 mins + song >;, ranking a 3 mins map isn't hard if you are experienced enough, also modding a good 3 mins map is alot easier than modding a bad tv size map.
Anyways I guess the hate that tv sizes get is only because there are like 15 maps of every song being mapped. But there is nothing wrong with TV Sizes :D
chainpullz

Natsu wrote:

Battle wrote:

people complain about tv sizes getting ranked while other full size maps are waiting in pending, yet I'm pretty sure the players don't actually know how hard it is to rank something long lol. it's a lot easier to get sth ranked that's short because it takes less time to get finished, it's easier to get mods, and it's easier to get bns. if people want to get longer maps then they need to try ranking it themselves :/\/\/
I never have any problem ranking a 3 mins + song >;, ranking a 3 mins map isn't hard if you are experienced enough, also modding a good 3 mins map is alot easier than modding a bad tv size map.
Anyways I guess the hate that tv sizes get is only because there are like 15 maps of every song being mapped. But there is nothing wrong with TV Sizes :D
<3 natsu maps. Your streams look so pretty.
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