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Nerova Riuz GX

Joined April 2012

Nerova Riuz GX 2016-08-23T16:21:19+00:00

basically since he have his offset on timing line changed, lots of sliders screwed up (but not to me cuz i use 1.0x all the way down)

BOUYAAA wrote:
Nerova :

00:00:093 (1) - unsnapped k

I kind of have a hard time to figure out what you're following wityh those sliders : 00:45:323 (3) - 00:47:169 (2) - 00:52:708 (2) - etc they kind of start on nothing, they skip a prominent beat you seem to map pretty consistently otherwise and they land on a strong beat
I was going for the hihats but now that seems a little bit hard to notice. BUT, after thinking for a while I decided to keep them. for the difficulty's sake I can't put that much 1/2s, and I hope the note density can be higher so it will be easy to feel the part is dense.
first, under the concept, it's kinda hard to make 00:45:439 - followed (yes you can just make the previous slider reverse, but that will create a bigger 3/2 gap after that).
second, I assume that places like 00:45:323 - is necessary to link up from 1/2 to 1/1 (e.g. from 00:44:400 (1,2) - to 00:46:016 (4) - ).
third, I'm trying to keep the density on 00:45:323 (3,4) - a little bit lower than 00:49:016 (3,4) - (the hell should i explain that, but I know you can understand what I mean) so i took 1/1 long sliders. That's the reason why I didn't change.

Also, i adjusted both HP and AR. they should be balanced now.

@puxtu: http://puu.sh/qLBul/d68a8c9649.rar

Vivyanne

1,215 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2016-08-23T20:16:23+00:00

tonight alive = <3

[pishi]
00:46:362 (2) - i personally prefer this slider ctrl+h'd because you catch the circular movement better this way imo
01:01:477 (3,4,5) - i feel like spacing these out would be more funn
01:17:054 (3,4) - maybe have some bigger spacing as the guitar pitch is like way higher

wow solidaf

[elvis]
00:07:016 (3,4) - could u mayb make this similar to 00:06:554 (1,2) - would look more logical
00:07:477 (1) - no sv change here like in the beginning? ;w;
00:49:477 (3) - i feel like ctrl+g plays better here, ofc change spacing accordingly ;x
01:13:016 (1) - would be cool to have sv change here so you have more emphasis on the sound this slider is mapped to
01:49:246 (4) - maybe NC this to indicate the start of a streamm

cool map ya

[fiery]
unsnapped objects: 00:00:089 (1) - 01:14:169 (2) - fix pls
00:08:400 (3) - i think ctrl+g would be cooler here because it then connects like way better to the next upcoming notesss
00:31:477 (1) - could u pls shorten this slider because imo 00:32:631 - has to be clickable if ur aim is the vocals
00:35:169 (1) - same scenario :>
00:50:862 (1) - ctrl+g this plspls its a really awkward connection after 00:50:631 (3,4) -

wow yess

[bonsai]
FIX UR SNAPPINGS LIKE HOLY

00:00:544 - wh no note here r u drunk?
00:25:708 (1) - as you didnt seem to do it with 00:18:785 (6) - please remove NC for consistency
00:37:939 (2,3) - this is a joke right .... y the timing like this y u do dis aa a aa
01:26:862 (1) - mind giving this an interesting structure because rn its zzzz
01:31:246 (5,6) - why this spacing there is literally nothing to be emphasises lo
01:43:016 (7,8) - maybe space these out a bit more they r p hard to read according to people who can just play these kind of mapszz (yes i asked around with some highranked players)

apart from the snapped items fine i guess
where are my slidershapes tho /me runs

[na]
i feel like ar4,5 suits the map better but that just me

00:33:323 (2,3) - dont u think these should be NCd? i know about the followpoint thing but pls the timing gap is so big man ;w;
01:02:862 (1,2) - smh could u align these pls this legit triggers me lo

i wish i could map normals like this

i cant mod mania so wont do it

sexy mapset, ill be waiting for the qual~

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-08-23T21:42:22+00:00

help, my map got fucked up by puxtu while I'm not at home for a week and now everybody's shouting at me xdd

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-08-23T22:23:45+00:00

Bonsai is such a bully. I was trying to help okay u.u

pishifat

osu! Paragon

3,802 posts

Joined August 2013

pishifat 2016-08-24T19:00:22+00:00

SPOILER

savery
!
01:05:627 (1,2,3,4) rather have it climax with spacing later than do that lol

01:08:165 (2) - Stack to 01:08:165 (3) 's slider end? ovelrap asethetic tho

c00l

Hitsounds

(looking at pishi's) - 00:06:781 (2) - you could put a whistle here to go with the nice pattern of whistles that went with 00:04:012 (2,2,2) - sort of have those hitsounds arranged according to how the things are mapped so one wouldnt fit there

pishi your fat ecks dee

damn the horrible joke genre reached a new highpoint thanks to me :^) G
00:01:473 (5) - you could make this a ctrl +h copy of 00:01:012 (4) - aesthetics would be improved here in that way like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5926787
00:29:627 (1) - > consider making these a little bit quieter since hearing the nice guitar/vocal sounds is much nicer than hearing annoying clicks imo wouldnt reflect the song

nuclearaven

pishi's Extra

00:09:323 (1,2,3,4) - distance b/n 1 and 2 is =/= to 3 and 4 im pre sure. Change maybe? lol barely ya
01:10:131 (6) - whenever i played this, i always misaimed this note - moving to around x:202|y:215 would fix that, but you may want to keep the straight line, which is also fine. looks cool
01:11:631 (3) - is this perfect triangle? my senses tell me this should be moved 1px right - i think anyway. its copy pasted idk
01:46:708 (3,4) - swap the positions of these? i think it better reflects the intensity change of the vocals. and it doesnt ruin aesthetics or flow imo. up to you tho ofc

) i like same importance for all of them lol

rabbit

pishi's Extra
00:00:089 (1) - unsnapped .
00:17:631 (1,2,3) - switching from guitar to vocal seems a bit to sudden here, is a bit awkward to play, may just want to stay with the guitar for consistent vocals were all on white ticks before too tho
01:05:631 (1,2,3) - i would say stack them all is better cuz the 1/2 spacing at this part is inconsistent, or make the spacing 01:05:631 (1,2,3) - the same as 01:06:093 (1,2,3) - cuz the drum sound is actually quite intense spacing changes to show its leading into big noise tho not focused on each drum sound lol
01:09:323 (1,2,3) - spacing 1>2 should be bigger then 2>3 cuz the snare sound was at 2 not 3 lol, sth like 01:09:785 (4,5,6) - this 3 has the vocal so it's got the sapce
01:26:862 (1,2,3,4) - make the spacing much larger here makes more sense imo, cuz the drum sound is intense and the spacing is similar to 1/2 so it might cause misread
01:56:400 (1,2) - might cause misread either cuz the spacing is similar to 1/4 lol, increased the spacing makes more sense really dont think either of these would cause misreads

hi tec

pishi
00:46:362 (2) - i personally prefer this slider ctrl+h'd because you catch the circular movement better this way imo continuing same circular motion as before is counter goal tho
01:01:477 (3,4,5) - i feel like spacing these out would be more funn c a l m tho
01:17:054 (3,4) - maybe have some bigger spacing as the guitar pitch is like way higher not using highly spaced circles when song is this calm g

tha nk!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... tra%5D.osu

Side

1,127 posts

Joined October 2013

Side 2016-08-25T20:21:36+00:00

Raging indonesian lion tbh

[N/A]

wtf man

00:59:169 (1) - TIL how to make better wavy sliders

01:28:708 (1) - This slider sucks with a repeat specifically this part cuz at least from when I watch my nooby irl friends play these kinda sliders they always get confused by it lul. Get rid of this point and make it that kinda slider. Yes even if it's longer in the end because the little zig zag curve goes with the drums.

01:39:323 - A note here could be cool somehow but not needed I guess

01:43:477 (1,2,3) - Triggered as fuk by that finish custom

[Tatsu]

o

[Bonzi]

damn it puxtu

00:01:939 (1,2) - This kinda sucks yo. 00:01:016 (3) - Copy this shape and rotate it slightly to keep 1.0x spacing. Looks better

00:04:016 (2) - lul

00:09:785 (2) - Make this a better curvy slider or uh...do another shape yeah do that instead.

00:15:785 (3) - You can also make this a repeat. Imo it's a bit better cuz of how she sings those 3 segments sound more tied together. Spacing is also similar.

00:31:477 (3,1) - 00:35:169 (3,1) - kek (snap them to the red tick at most

00:55:477 (1,2,3) - That's a pain to play tbh. Change 1 and 2 to a slider it plays much better for this diff.

[Fireman]

00:00:089 (1) - wtf...oh...

00:08:400 (3,4) - I'd say another repeat is better than that jump to (4). No reason to emphasize that jump when there's nothing in the music that does it. Besides you've been doing 2x repeats up until here so it's not like its unexpected.

00:33:323 (1,2) - I liked 00:29:631 (1,2) - better than the repeat since then the slider heads emphasize the guitar chords but this doesn't...Change it to that it's better.

00:44:746 (2,3) - Stack this. Makes it more readable. Applies for the other one at 00:47:400 (3,1) - and since it's a pause it makes more sense to stack em like you did at 01:02:169 (2,3) - and a few other places.

01:09:323 (1,2) - This doesn't really work as well as it does here 01:05:631 (1,2) - at least imo. I guess it's fine but meh.

01:13:939 (1,3) - Avoid doing this whenever possible. The lingering note of (1) fading away is still active while (3) is up so the reverse arrow isn't very visible and usually means miss. TBH I'd suggest changing 01:13:939 (1,2,3) - altogether to a pattern more like this but as long as it avoids that stack from before it's fine.

01:21:093 (4,1) - Just stack it's readable and distinguishable.

01:39:554 (2,3,1) - While I think this is cool it's probably not the right difficulty to do this unfortunately.

01:54:323 (3,4,1) - Same. A lot of it comes down to the bpm as well so don't do this in this diff.

[Pepsi]

00:29:631 - It's fine the way you did it but you could also do like a slight offstack on the 3 notes (maybe going downward) to compliment the guitar.

00:40:477 (1) - x_x start with the guitar this technically follows nothing and if it's the vocals then it's weird af considering the parts before.

01:43:477 - AAAAAAAAAAAAAA just use the default soft/normal finish it's perfect for this song and this ones disgusting af ;A;A;A;A;A;A;A;A; (tell puxtu he sucks)

no real issues

[pisher frice]

00:25:016 (4) - Missing drum sample on slider head

00:29:631 (1,1,1) - default soft finishes would be sick af for these and the others just saying (also tell puxtu he sucks)

00:47:400 (4,1) - you MONSTER!!!111

00:48:093 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - n1c3 (saw this in your julio thing too)

01:05:631 (1) - 01:06:093 (1,2) - add soft finishes to these (trust)

01:29:169 (2) - Remove finish from this one it sucks. If you wanna keep a sound here then change it to like a whistle or something. Do the same for the others like this etc.

01:31:016 (3) - Same for these except don't add any hitsounds.

[HD]

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

PUXTU YOUR HITSOUNDS SAMPLES SUCK >:V

00:29:400 (29400|0) - This is okay but it could also be nice at 2 cuz then 00:29:169 (29169|0,29400|0,29631|2) - would go like 1 2 3 and it plays p nice :v

00:29:631 - Add one note next to all the LNs like this and this and this etc. cuz guitar

01:13:939 - 01:26:862 - So starting in this section there's like this little melody the lead guitar plays like 01:14:169 - 01:14:400 - 01:14:516 - 01:14:746 - 01:14:746 - 01:15:323 - 01:15:554 - that kinda rhythm the guitar plays. It would be really cool and also add variety if you had the doubles here instead.

01:26:862 (86862|1,86862|0,87093|1,87093|0,87323|2,87323|3,87554|3,87554|2) - WHY ARENT THESE TRIPPLES??????? triples are awesome!!!! Besides you use them later like 01:28:708 (88708|3,88708|2,88708|0) - 01:29:631 (89631|0,89631|3,89631|2) - etc

01:56:862 (116862|3,116862|2,116862|0) - Be edgy and make these LNS :^)

[MX]

00:00:093 - 00:29:631 - I like how you mapped the intro in this diff more than in the HD tbh

00:29:631 - 00:40:708 - PUXTU DO THIS PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE idk how but do THIS like uh.....trills? is that what is called? to follow the guitar cord so yo u do something like this but bette. plzplzplz do that somehow fuuuuuuck I wanna play that like a guitar duuuuuuuude

00:42:093 - 00:43:246 - Make these all doubles cuz guitar gets more intense and plays power chords

01:13:939 - 01:26:862 - If you didn't do this in the HD plz do that here what I mentioned in the HD ;-;

01:56:862 - EDGY LNSSSSSS

Memes

Good luck!

Edit cuz I forgot to mention this on all diffs but PUXTU YOU SUCK FIX THIS!!!!1

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-08-26T01:35:15+00:00

Side wrote:
[HD]

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |

PUXTU YOUR HITSOUNDS SAMPLES SUCK >:V dude thx

00:29:400 (29400|0) - This is okay but it could also be nice at 2 cuz then 00:29:169 (29169|0,29400|0,29631|2) - would go like 1 2 3 and it plays p nice :v it will break the 11 22 pattern but ok lol

00:29:631 - Add one note next to all the LNs like this and this and this etc. cuz guitar kdad

01:13:939 - 01:26:862 - So starting in this section there's like this little melody the lead guitar plays like 01:14:169 - 01:14:400 - 01:14:516 - 01:14:746 - 01:14:746 - 01:15:323 - 01:15:554 - that kinda rhythm the guitar plays. It would be really cool and also add variety if you had the doubles here instead. double is love even though it hurts a bit in 260bpm but it is love!1!!

01:26:862 (86862|1,86862|0,87093|1,87093|0,87323|2,87323|3,87554|3,87554|2) - WHY ARENT THESE TRIPPLES??????? triples are awesome!!!! Besides you use them later like 01:28:708 (88708|3,88708|2,88708|0) - 01:29:631 (89631|0,89631|3,89631|2) - etc tripled

01:56:862 (116862|3,116862|2,116862|0) - Be edgy and make these LNS :^) holding note is gay :&)

[MX]

00:00:093 - 00:29:631 - I like how you mapped the intro in this diff more than in the HD tbh nigga you want to emphasis the vocal or what

00:29:631 - 00:40:708 - PUXTU DO THIS PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE idk how but do THIS like uh.....trills? is that what is called? to follow the guitar cord so yo u do something like this but bette. plzplzplz do that somehow fuuuuuuck I wanna play that like a guitar duuuuuuuude trill is 121212 pattern lmao. So you want me to add grace here for the guitar? i guess i can do that but it wont easy to make xd

00:42:093 - 00:43:246 - Make these all doubles cuz guitar gets more intense and plays power chords k

01:13:939 - 01:26:862 - If you didn't do this in the HD plz do that here what I mentioned in the HD ;-; i did in hd

01:56:862 - EDGY LNSSSSSS kys

Memes i agree

Good luck!

Edit cuz I forgot to mention this on all diffs but PUXTU YOU SUCK FIX THIS!!!!1 dont make me do this idk any std shit smh

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-08-26T02:58:41+00:00

mods

HighTec wrote:
[fiery]
unsnapped objects: 00:00:089 (1) - 01:14:169 (2) - fix pls I
00:08:400 (3) - i think ctrl+g would be cooler here because it then connects like way better to the next upcoming notesss ya ur rwite
00:31:477 (1) - could u pls shorten this slider because imo 00:32:631 - has to be clickable if ur aim is the vocals i just made the repeat slider tgb
00:35:169 (1) - same scenario :> d
00:50:862 (1) - ctrl+g this plspls its a really awkward connection after 00:50:631 (3,4) - g

wow yess

BOUYAAA wrote:
No one saw anything 👀

Fire
00:00:089 (1) - unsnapped and causes issues Hate

01:12:093 (1) - i don't really get why you map that with a 1/1 slider when you never do it before. You're breaking rythm consistency by not mapping the snare 01:12:323 - my brain at 9 pm wanted to map the suave guitar sound here but im retarded fixed

01:16:593 (4,1) - would be cool if you'd differentiate your 1/1 a bit better from 1/2 pattern change

01:18:208 (3) - the way you miss the snare in the middle is pretty ew too cuz everywhere else it is mapped this 1 i have no idea how to fix without the entire pattern feeling like shit but u did make me realize how fucking atrocious this section is so im prob remapping later

Side wrote:
Raging indonesian lion tbh

[Fireman]

00:00:089 (1) - wtf...oh... Puxtu

00:08:400 (3,4) - I'd say another repeat is better than that jump to (4). No reason to emphasize that jump when there's nothing in the music that does it. Besides you've been doing 2x repeats up until here so it's not like its unexpected. kind of indirectly reduced the jump from the previous mod so this should be kind of ok better now

00:33:323 (1,2) - I liked 00:29:631 (1,2) - better than the repeat since then the slider heads emphasize the guitar chords but this doesn't...Change it to that it's better. k

00:44:746 (2,3) - Stack this. Makes it more readable. Applies for the other one at 00:47:400 (3,1) - and since it's a pause it makes more sense to stack em like you did at 01:02:169 (2,3) - and a few other places. ok

01:09:323 (1,2) - This doesn't really work as well as it does here 01:05:631 (1,2) - at least imo. I guess it's fine but meh. i don't really know how else to follow the rhythm here

01:13:939 (1,3) - Avoid doing this whenever possible. The lingering note of (1) fading away is still active while (3) is up so the reverse arrow isn't very visible and usually means miss. TBH I'd suggest changing 01:13:939 (1,2,3) - altogether to a pattern more like this but as long as it avoids that stack from before it's fine. changed pattern in previous mod

01:21:093 (4,1) - Just stack it's readable and distinguishable. d

01:39:554 (2,3,1) - While I think this is cool it's probably not the right difficulty to do this unfortunately. fuk

01:54:323 (3,4,1) - Same. A lot of it comes down to the bpm as well so don't do this in this diff. ok changed these

fuck me i should remap some parts of this it reeks of rushing
http://puu.sh/qOE85/88d4034f60.osu

Nerova Riuz GX

1,413 posts

Joined April 2012

Nerova Riuz GX 2016-08-26T09:29:57+00:00

Side wrote:
[N/A]

wtf man ay

00:59:169 (1) - TIL how to make better wavy sliders ur still too young

01:28:708 (1) - This slider sucks with a repeat specifically this part cuz at least from when I watch my nooby irl friends play these kinda sliders they always get confused by it lul. Get rid of this point and make it that kinda slider. Yes even if it's longer in the end because the little zig zag curve goes with the drums. wew

01:39:323 - A note here could be cool somehow but not needed I guess NO

01:43:477 (1,2,3) - Triggered as fuk by that finish custom wew

http://puu.sh/qOU0p/2c0290235f.rar

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-08-26T17:39:22+00:00

oke I'm back

mod-replies in here (thx @ everybody)

BOUYAAA wrote:
Diff that lacks horizontal and vertical sliders : fixed

00:00:093 (1) - are you mapping for the next bn test? (~~green lines are unsnapped, they seem to cause issues in several places like this one~~ actually it's not the green line it's the timing it seems) #blamepuxtu2016, greenlines had to be moved

00:25:708 (1) - in the previous pattern you put a slider (00:25:708 (1) - ) to go with the end of the vocals so it feels kinda empty when on the section right after this one you decide to not do it 00:25:708 (1) - . wouldn't you prefer to have something with a circle or a 1/2 slider here 00:25:708 - and a slider here 00:25:708 - so that the same thing is expressed the same way? Also I'm wondering why you'd nc this 00:25:708 (1) - and not this 00:18:785 (6) - fixed mapping vocals by letting it reverse since everything else would be kinda weird; removed that previous NC bc I dislike how it seperates single sentences which is why I didn't do it at the firstone but for some reason still did at the second one lol

00:31:477 (3,1) - imo it's not clear enough that this is 1/4. Spacing is pretty much the same as 1/2 just after too It actually is 1/2 I just fucked up this and other sliders while experimenting after the previous mod and forgot to revert that fuck lol

00:37:939 (2) - aspire v3 (~~probably due to green lines too~~ not rly) ye that's another of those lol

00:39:785 (4,5) - looks messy, i'd suggest to either stack more or space more, slightly touching is ew yep this was a slider before I experimented aa

00:42:093 (1,2,3) - would probably look a bit better if you used 120 degree rotations no I want it to look wild bc I'm a bad boy B^)

01:02:400 - did you try making these a triple? nah that's kinda too much

01:45:785 (2,3) - symmetry just like you did here 01:43:477 (1,3) - skldjfhskdjfhdjd uhm I tried

prepare the red crayons hello bouya my old friend, this might've looked like I accepted a lot but really that's just bc I and/or puxtu fucked up a lot, anyways, I'm now going to write a lot of nonsense in red to balance things and bc you called for it so thank yourself! ok so where do I start? I actually don't know, I've thought about writing where I've been for the few days but then I realized that nobody wants to know that so that would be kinda sad, so I just started writing my thoughts on this and that's kinda what I am doing rn too, it's kinda meta I know that's bc I am so interlegant and my brain is doing overtime permanently so actually I can't keep up writing what I think, actually this isn't at all what I think, as a matter of fact I think my last pooping-session was pretty nice so there you go

HighTec wrote:
[bonsai]
FIX UR SNAPPINGS LIKE HOLY help

00:00:544 - wh no note here r u drunk? no, puxtu was drunk
00:25:708 (1) - as you didnt seem to do it with 00:18:785 (6) - please remove NC for consistency done with bouya's mod yes
00:37:939 (2,3) - this is a joke right .... y the timing like this y u do dis aa a aa y puxtu do dis aa a aa A!
01:26:862 (1) - mind giving this an interesting structure because rn its zzzz no I like it like that, nobody expects double-reverses anyways so that should wake up people enough, don't wanna scare them too much do we
01:31:246 (5,6) - why this spacing there is literally nothing to be emphasises lo uh I spaced all the major downbeats but realized that it indeed seems really dumb, tried making it not so dumb by spacing the other snares more too ( = 01:30:785 (2,3,4) and 01:34:478 (2,3,4) - )
01:43:016 (7,8) - maybe space these out a bit more they r p hard to read according to people who can just play these kind of mapszz (yes i asked around with some highranked players) oke spaced them a few pixels more lol, don't wanna not-overlap them bc I didn't do that at similar places either (also kudos to you for asking around, I appreciate the effort!)

apart from the snapped items fine i guess
where are my slidershapes tho /me runs at 00:04:016 (2) and 00:11:400 (2) -? D:

Side wrote:
[Bonzi]

damn it puxtu

00:01:939 (1,2) - This kinda sucks yo. 00:01:016 (3) - Copy this shape and rotate it slightly to keep 1.0x spacing. Looks better I don't see why it sucks so no D:

00:04:016 (2) - lul lu2

00:09:785 (2) - Make this a better curvy slider or uh...do another shape yeah do that instead. rude

00:15:785 (3) - You can also make this a repeat. Imo it's a bit better cuz of how she sings those 3 segments sound more tied together. Spacing is also similar. not sure whether I understood that correctly but it's very much the same as 00:14:862 (1) - so I map it the same way too xd

00:31:477 (3,1) - 00:35:169 (3,1) - kek (snap them to the red tick at most damn it puxtu

00:55:477 (1,2,3) - That's a pain to play tbh. Change 1 and 2 to a slider it plays much better for this diff. it's the same as 00:48:323 (2,3) - tho made the rhythm like that to differentiate the second&fourth (calmer) quaters from the first&third, spacing was a bit higher tho so I reduced that if that helps lol

map in here

osu file format v14

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Title:Little Lion Man
TitleUnicode:Little Lion Man
Artist:Tonight Alive
ArtistUnicode:Tonight Alive
Creator:puxtu
Version:Bonsai's Hard
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Tags:pishifat EvilElvis fieryrage Bonsai Nerova Riuz GX Mumford & Sons Sigh No More Punk Goes Pop 4 PGP4
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Harbyter

Beatmap Nominator

1,364 posts

Joined October 2011

Harbyter 2016-08-26T22:25:31+00:00

where is the NM

BOYYYYY

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-08-27T07:01:49+00:00

Good question xd

DeletedUser_6181859

DeletedUser_6181859 2016-08-27T19:52:34+00:00

+2SR
instead modding xdxd

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-08-27T20:35:41+00:00

O thank

Strategas

1,378 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2016-08-28T15:01:33+00:00

[General]

Unused hitsounds:
drum-hitclap2.wav

Hitsounds with delay:
drum-hitfinish2.wav

[Pish]

00:03:785 (1) - jump to this note would make more sense tho
00:11:169 (1) -
00:25:939 (1) -
actually you're following vocals I think, but still "rhythmic emphasis" pls

01:09:554 (2,3) - emphasizing snares less than kicks eek, 01:09:785 (4,5,6) - much better

01:14:746 (1) - 01:16:593 (1) - 01:18:439 (1) - etc. not sure what this follows tbh, both guitar and vocal end on the downbeat. the only reason I can think of is lower density/variety

01:15:323 (3) - 01:48:554 (3) - nice snapping

[Elvis]

00:01:939 (1,2,3,4,1) - I'm guessing you are going for the emphasis on the last note but it kinda fucks up your star patern really hard, much rather keep structure here and keep a complete star patern

00:06:785 (2,4) - 00:21:554 (2,4) - claps so random, don't really hear exceptional instrument in the song there

00:10:939 (1,2) - fix blanket pls, it's too off to be overlooked

00:12:093 (1,2,3) - don't really get how you decide to go in pairs of 3 suddenly and then in pairs of 5 00:13:708 (1,2,3,4,5) - when you always did them in pairs of 4

00:14:169 (3) - 00:28:939 (2) - the finish hitsound feels random aswell

00:25:477 (3,1) - pretty inconsistant considering you kept increasing spacing at 00:03:093 (2,3,1) -

00:44:400 (1,2) - 00:55:016 (1,2,1) - looks ew to me,

00:50:804 (5) - don't overmap pls, it also stands out as you didn't do it later at all

01:00:669 (4,5,6,1) - rather difficult to play because of flow at 5,6,1 is linear at this bpm kinda harsh

01:16:477 (1,2,3,4,5) - enable stacking and you'll notice how ugly it looks

01:30:900 - 01:34:593 - add note? too audible to ignore imo

01:44:631 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - 01:46:477 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - etc. really long combos on these consider more NCs

[Fiery]

00:47:631 (1,2,3,4,1) - not a very light insane patern lol, could use a nerf

[Bonsai]

00:31:482 - 00:35:169 - much more intuitive if you start the slider here, having them start on blue tick is lol

01:00:785 (6,1) - 01:02:285 (4,1) - really misleading, on one spot you have 1/1 gap and increase spacing just for emphasis but then you have the same kind of idea but have 3/2 gap instead :/

01:26:862 (1) - cooler if you remove one repeat and add circle instead

[N/A]

seems fine

can you get more mods for elvis diff, I believe there are still things to improve there

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-08-28T15:31:57+00:00

Strategas wrote:
[Bonsai]

00:31:482 - 00:35:169 - much more intuitive if you start the slider here, having them start on blue tick is lol well the first one is just blue tick bc the lyrics are late for some reason, it's quite clear that it's supposed to be on the white ticks like at the second one - Anyways, as I replied to the previous mod too, that's just a matter of taste, I rather focus on lyrics instead of the guitar as that offers me more variation at 00:37:708 (2) and bc I generally pay more attention to lyrics than instrumentals when listenting to a song

01:00:785 (6,1) - 01:02:285 (4,1) - really misleading, on one spot you have 1/1 gap and increase spacing just for emphasis but then you have the same kind of idea but have 3/2 gap instead :/ I don't think anyone's gonna misread the first one and I even less think that anyone's gonna hit the second one too early either bc that would be a completely random rhythm, the rhythm is quite expectable - Lowered (6,1) a bit though since that seemed a bit too big anyhow so I guess that mildens this issue lol

01:26:862 (1) - cooler if you remove one repeat and add circle instead t a s t e (those four beats are 100% equally strong, why should I emphasize them so differently) (#osu!needsmoredoublereverses)

thank!

whoa you're a BN *gets nervous*

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oh also I shortened 01:56:862 (2) by 1/4 bc that's more accurate to the lyrics~

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

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Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-08-28T19:11:53+00:00

Strategas wrote:
[Fiery]

00:47:631 (1,2,3,4,1) - not a very light insane patern lol, could use a nerf nerfed slightly (ie made it a square) tho i don't want to nerf it too much since this is one of the climax points of the song in terms of drum intensity

http://puu.sh/qRFrd/6a9c055f10.osu

Natteke desu

2,487 posts

Joined August 2012

Natteke desu 2016-08-28T19:59:13+00:00

okay so, as i see many people had problems with spacing on the first part. In fact, i wasn't intended to straight emphazise vocals and tried to mix emphazising of hi-hats (what means consistent spacing, because there is actually no changes in how hi-hats sound) with vocals (what means some spacing changes obv) and sadly i didn't found any suggestion something i would apply. As for hitsounds, ye there is no sounds in the song which you can compare to some of them, because i actually tried to arrange stuff a bit, and i don't really think i would change my mind about this point.
Most of suggestions on other parts weren't applied as well, because they were about people preferences and i simply disagreed, however couple of them should have an explanation:
01:06:093 (3,4,5,6,1) - the reason of making this kind of spacing is emphazising cymbal, which can be emphazised by actuall spacing change exactly at the time where you can hear this cymbal sound or by doing some stuff before this sound, so as you could notice i decided to act in the second way, because idk, i felt like doing some edgy stuff
01:13:823 (4,1) - you don't really need to emphazise something by making spacings b i g g e r, you can emphazise things by making it closer as well, it works just fine for me
00:50:746 (4,5,6) - don't really see a reason why i shouldn't overmap here, because this 1/4 triplet giving a nice emphazise to upcoming jumpy stuff and it isn't that hard to play, in other words i believe it fits. The reason why i didn't overmapped here: 00:58:016 (3) - is part coming after this one not that intense as one here 00:50:746 (4,5,6) - and i don't think it would fit here.

Now about changed stuff: Sorry i can't recall where exactly i changed blankets but i really did! Now this 01:00:554 (3,4,5,6) - thing is sorta other thing and there were nazi spacing changes which probably won't be noticed

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Kaifin

745 posts

Joined April 2013

Kaifin 2016-08-29T09:28:37+00:00

i love puxtu

wow i didnt remember that hanzer map being like this

flameanger

00:44:400 (1,1,3) - if you're going to do this slider end overlap, is there a way you could make it a more even triangle? i think it just looks sort of cluttered as is rn, especially since its lower ar
00:45:785 (1) + 00:46:593 (2) - i fucking died
SPOILER
00:46:939 (1,2,3) - i see this pattern was mentioned early in strategas mod, i think the answer to keeping it intense while nerfing is to simplify this portion, maybe you could make it a line, then keep 00:47:631 (1,2,3,4) - as is? i think it would make it feel more "explosive" if it goes from a more basic flow like pictured in screenshot to this crisscross square thingy
SPOILER
00:47:862 (3,2) vs 00:47:746 (2,1) - if u make these the same level of overlap it'll look a lot nicer
00:51:323 (3,1) - yea
SPOILER
00:54:785 (4) and 00:55:477 (1) - yea
SPOILER
01:02:631 (4,1) - YEA
SPOILER
01:22:708 (3,1) -
SPOILER
01:23:862 (4,1) -
SPOILER
wow the end of the map is like by far the best part good job
01:50:400 (2,1) -
SPOILER

feelsclutteredman

blanket nazi but i'd recommend trying to clean your structure up a bit more like we've discussed before in the past, watch out for inconsistent overlaps and simply overlapping 2 much

kyaaaa

elvis

big fan
ur shit is unsnapped at the start
00:10:939 (1,2) - o-oh my, im pretty sure this is super easy to fix without messing up the overlap with 00:12:093 (1) - luckily
SPOILER
00:12:554 (3,1) - i really like your emphasis throughout this beginning section and understand what you were going for here, but i think that it would have been better to keep it consistent and have the jump + NC be 00:12:785 (1,2) + 00:13:708 (1,2) like the rest of this whole segment, i know it changed because of the vocal emphasis with 00:10:939 (1,2) - but changing it this way would make the map consistent! i can kind of get behind the emphasis you're going for and i see that strategas also recommended you change this, so i'm just trying to provide you with my perspective behind it as well, it obviously plays fine the way it is now i just think the consistency makes it feel more complete and stable
00:13:939 (2,3,4,5) - cool as FUK with the hitsounds and the YE A h
00:19:016 (1) - i know you nc in pairs of 4 throughout the segment, but perhaps it would be worth removing nc here and adding 00:19:477 (3) here for consistency? try it and see how you like the look, if not you could always just add NC to 00:19:477 (3) - but thats up to you whether you like the look of it
00:48:093 (5) - NC here for consist with 00:55:477 (1)

can confirm all the patterns are fine playability wise from my perspective, taken with a grain of salt of course bc tech player but since there is a light insane for more beginner insane players, i think that this is fine overall difficulty wise as a diff
00:50:746 (4,5,6,1,2,1,2,1) - this is real satisfying to play
00:57:669 (2,3) - nazi blanket
SPOILER
00:58:246 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - your hexagon is off on the 00:58:593 (4,1) - side which made it a little weird feeling when playing, this would be nice to fix for feeling
01:13:708 (3) - consider moving to somewhere around x:150 y:157 for a cuter blanket/interaction with 01:14:169 (2,3,4) ? you could put it as close or as far as you want as long as it lines up right
01:20:862 (1) - i know aesthetic but NC for consistent with the previous 4 combos?? i understand if not but it would make it nice and consist
01:32:862 (3) - you might as well move this note down a touch to avoid the bleh barely touching overlap with 01:31:939 (2)'s slider end, very minor

stylish

good luck!

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-08-29T15:53:11+00:00

ok thats the mod i expected

Kaifin wrote:
i love puxtu me 2

wow i didnt remember that hanzer map being like this

flameanger
00:44:400 (1,1,3) - if you're going to do this slider end overlap, is there a way you could make it a more even triangle? i think it just looks sort of cluttered as is rn, especially since its lower ar spaced out a bit more
00:45:785 (1) + 00:46:593 (2) - i fucking died me 2
SPOILER
00:46:939 (1,2,3) - i see this pattern was mentioned early in strategas mod, i think the answer to keeping it intense while nerfing is to simplify this portion, maybe you could make it a line, then keep 00:47:631 (1,2,3,4) - as is? i think it would make it feel more "explosive" if it goes from a more basic flow like pictured in screenshot to this crisscross square thingy ya ur write reduced spacing of the whatsitfuckit
SPOILER

00:47:862 (3,2) vs 00:47:746 (2,1) - if u make these the same level of overlap it'll look a lot nicer d
wow the end of the map is like by far the best part good job thats actually the part i mapped in 5 minutes LOL fuc

feelsclutteredman fucek u

blanket nazi but i'd recommend trying to clean your structure up a bit more like we've discussed before in the past, watch out for inconsistent overlaps and simply overlapping 2 much taking a better relook later but i fixed some other stuff so yHe

kyaaaa

delet this
toy suggested to shorten 00:37:939 (3,1) - these two sliders, i did the latter but not the former because vocals are hard
also did other changes so Y
http://puu.sh/qToMc/d3dadd28c6.osu

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-08-30T13:38:11+00:00

fieryrage wrote:
Kaifin wrote:
i love puxtu me 2

get a room

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,060 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2016-08-30T17:08:24+00:00

who's puxtu? anybody care to explain?

As per your request:

General
[]

Seems like an Easy difficulty would be necessary. With such an amount of 1/1 and even 1/2 beats being introduced at 260 BPM it feels like something less fast-paced and more beginner friendly wouldn't hurt, I believe. Ask a standard BN/QAT to be 100% sure.
drum-hitclap2.wav seems to be unused give it an extra check and remove it to save some extra space?

N/A's Normal
[]

00:22:246 (1) - 01:09:323 (3) - minor - using these curves during calm parts of the songs seems strange to me. I'd try to soften the curve making angless less sharp.
01:06:554 - this part could be a bit more intense to match with the rest of the difficulty. I see what you are going for but having praactically the easiest diff of the map as a kiai time feels somewhat weird.

Apart from that part I really couldn't find much. Solid, clean difficulty.

Bonsai's Hard
[]

00:12:093 - I see what you are going for with the direction/shape chhange, but I would rather split the slider into two, so each vocal's peak would give us a clickable object. It feels a lot better while playing, I believe.
00:17:977 (5,6) - I misread these as 1/1 snapped sliders with a jump. Can you either spread them apart or map the downbeat in-between? The first option prevents misreading, the other one stresses the guitar/whatever sound and makes the thing easier to hit. Whatever way you prefer would be fine, I believe.
01:02:285 (4) - the polarity change felt somewhat awkward here, try an 1/2 slider for the vocals and mor eplayable rhythm?
Note: 01:09:669 (4) - same here. You know, consistency.

Cool.

Light Insane
[]

00:08:400 (3) - I though this slider would also have 3 repeats just like the previous one did.
01:42:785 (1,1,1) - haven't seen the SV changed used anywhere else in the difficulty before. This could be a bit out of place. Why not try stacks instead? example

Elvis' Insane
[]

00:01:477 (3,1) - feels like a jump is missing here. Why not add one for the vocals?
Note: 00:04:708 (1,2) - 00:09:093 (4,1) - something similar would go here as well.

To be honest, the whole intro felt as if it was mapped using random jumps, leaving me with a lot of "why?" questions, just to name a few examples, 00:16:708 (1,2,3,4,1) - 00:23:169 (1,2,3,4) - 00:23:631 (3,4) - despite being readable I still have to disagree as I believe that this does not work well with the intro. The rest is okayish, it's just the intro that I disagree with.

pishi's Extra
[]

Just make sure that HP is supposed to be this low. I think that pushing it slightly higher would be a more reasonable solution in terms of spread balance.

Seems fine to me otherwise.

[]

Neat stuff,, keep it up.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best of luck!

Last edited by riffy 2016-08-30T20:05:18+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Cryptic

551 posts

Joined December 2013

Cryptic 2016-08-30T17:52:33+00:00

TIL: Fieryrage is now Frey. Congrats on all the ranked maps, FreyRage.

Last edited by riffy 2016-08-30T20:05:41+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-08-30T18:31:08+00:00

Bakari wrote:
who's puxtu? anybody care to explain? who?

Bonsai's Hard
[]
00:12:093 - I see what you are going for with the direction/shape chhange, but I would rather split the slider into two, so each vocal's peak would give us a clickable object. It feels a lot better while playing, I believe. but I did the exact same thing at 00:04:708 and I definitely wanna keep that heart-slider, and I wanna keep that consistent too (also, theoretically that slider is thematic too bc the lyrics are "start" and this is intended to be a race-flag-thingy lol)
00:17:977 (5,6) - I misread these as 1/1 snapped sliders with a jump. Can you either spread them apart or map the downbeat in-between? The first option prevents misreading, the other one stresses the guitar/whatever sound and makes the thing easier to hit. Whatever way you prefer would be fine, I believe. oke, spaced it x0,2 more, don't wanna break DS too much here xd
01:02:285 (4) - the polarity change felt somewhat awkward here, try an 1/2 slider for the vocals and mor eplayable rhythm?
Note: 01:09:669 (4) - same here. You know, consistency. 1/2-slider would feel way too dense and unreasonable since I've never 'overmapped' like that anywhere else - I don't think it's awkward anyways, that's how the rhythm in the song is, I don't wanna avoid that at cost of the map's integrity just bc it's not 100% convenient, players of a rhythm game should get used to.. rhythms xd

Cool.

Thanks!~

boxbox

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zev

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zev 2016-08-31T13:20:09+00:00

putxu, mod request
yes.

[Fiery's Light Insane]
00:44:746 (2,3) - don't do 1/1 gap here, mapping the guitar would be a better choice because you still catch the instruments and match the song explosivenz intenzity, feels more satisfying, the other diffs do this aswell

00:46:939 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - I've played this pattern multiple times, and its literally image material in a light insane for few seconds i have to agree with others n tihs, definitely needs a nerf,besides the song is 3.71* without this part

01:00:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really like for some reason, can you add more of m?

01:15:323 (2) - great opportunity for a blanket

01:17:631 (1) - wum wum wum wum wum wum sound gets a little more intense here so i suggest highlighting that by making this a 1/2 slider

00:49:939 (1) - 00:57:323 (1) - 01:17:631 (1) - 01:21:323 (1) - what happend to the whistles sadface you are are adding a whistle every 8th measure
right? you can check when you need to whistle in timing window, top right you see the measures in numbers

01:13:939 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - its a bit undermapped, compared to the next chorus you should add more sliders to fill in the blanks probably

[Elvis]

00:51:439 (2) - would move it a bit to the right in the same angle, i don't have any reason just my instinct dunno

00:58:246 (1,2,3,4) - not symmetrical 4 is about 10 pixels too large, and would nerf previous slider a bit smilair to this for more circular flow so you don't crash into the snaps

01:00:323 (2) - ctrl + g could be lewd here for the flow of the snaps, right now you are forcing players to jump midslider to the snaps

01:04:593 (6) - my instinct says this would be hotter if you moved this two places left on grid size medium x-axis only, you don't want to deaccelerate too much

01:13:016 (1) - nice choice damn

01:24:785 (4) - feel like it abuses slider leniency a bit too much would rather move it up a little bit and let it curve it just a bit to left the to let the player enjoy the circular flow, you've got a lot of lewder options here consider pls

00:40:477 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - theres is a volume build up here, i would just copy other diffs that do this

[pishi]
00:53:977 (3,1) - does this jump really needs to be this big lol
01:26:862 (1,2,3,4) - nice
01:06:093 (1,2,3) - could use a bit more hotness

i agree, hp is very low, i could even pass it with not that much significant effort, please enforce me to play normally (;

[bonsai] maybe slidertick 2 but tht sounds lame second kiai and begin so nahh
00:52:823 (5,6,7) - would curve it like this

feels very STRESSED imo

yes, good song.

Last edited by zev 2016-08-31T13:29:39+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-08-31T13:25:19+00:00

zev wrote:
[bonsai] maybe slidertick 2 but tht sounds lame second kiai and begin so nahh ye nahh
00:52:823 (5,6,7) - would curve it like this feels very STRESSED imo mmh idk, that wouldn't fit the aesthetics at all, but I made (6,7) slightly lower and moved it closer to the slider so maybe that helps lol

yes, good song.

hai hai

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Nerova Riuz GX

1,413 posts

Joined April 2012

Nerova Riuz GX 2016-08-31T20:01:15+00:00

Bakari wrote:
who's puxtu? anybody care to explain? who am i

N/A's Normal
[]
00:22:246 (1) - 01:09:323 (3) - minor - using these curves during calm parts of the songs seems strange to me. I'd try to soften the curve making angless less sharp. feels okay cuz i was going for how she sing. lul im dumb
01:06:554 - this part could be a bit more intense to match with the rest of the difficulty. I see what you are going for but having praactically the easiest diff of the map as a kiai time feels somewhat weird. not pretty sure about this cuz that point you gave is not in a kiai

Apart from that part I really couldn't find much. Solid, clean difficulty.

did some adjustments on the slider he mentioned & the last spinner

http://puu.sh/qVoKx/dba4b9a948.rar

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2016-09-01T03:30:04+00:00

bakar

Bakari wrote:
Light Insane
[]
00:08:400 (3) - I though this slider would also have 3 repeats just like the previous one did. feel like the "lion man" lyrics have a bit more emphasis than the upcoming "you're" here
01:42:785 (1,1,1) - haven't seen the SV changed used anywhere else in the difficulty before. This could be a bit out of place. Why not try stacks instead? example ehh i'd feel like that'd be too awkward for light insane having stacks spaced out like that, the sv changes aren't really that noticeable anyway due to the low sv to begin with

zev

zev wrote:
putxu, mod request
yes.

[Fiery's Light Insane]
00:44:746 (2,3) - don't do 1/1 gap here, mapping the guitar would be a better choice because you still catch the instruments and match the song explosivenz intenzity, feels more satisfying, the other diffs do this aswell dam ur writ changed differently tho

00:46:939 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - I've played this pattern multiple times, and its literally image material in a light insane for few seconds i have to agree with others n tihs, definitely needs a nerf,besides the song is 3.71* without this part nerfed slightly more

01:00:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really like for some reason, can you add more of m? i would but rhythm variation

01:15:323 (2) - great opportunity for a blanket thought i blanketed this alreadyd

01:17:631 (1) - wum wum wum wum wum wum sound gets a little more intense here so i suggest highlighting that by making this a 1/2 slider true, but i kind of want to capture the pause after the vocals here as well

00:49:939 (1) - 00:57:323 (1) - 01:17:631 (1) - 01:21:323 (1) - what happend to the whistles sadface you are are adding a whistle every 8th measure
right? you can check when you need to whistle in timing window, top right you see the measures in numbers na i wasnt, i was saving the whistle for the same usage as finishes since that's what the custom hitsounds are so it's kind of sporadic; i'm following cymbals primarily though for the whistles so ya

01:13:939 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - its a bit undermapped, compared to the next chorus you should add more sliders to fill in the blanks probably i was trying to follow guitars here mainly while still keeping vocals in check, i'll relook over it soon though

http://puu.sh/qVPjj/5108e4a5b4.osu
also i hate blankets

puxtu

2,926 posts

Joined August 2013

Topic Starter

puxtu 2016-09-01T14:31:24+00:00

added ez diff

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-01T14:36:06+00:00

~~omw to hijack this set ╭( ･ㅂ･)و~~

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,060 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2016-09-02T16:08:47+00:00

[Bonsaisy]

00:03:323 (5,6) - could be pretty confusing for beginners. Is there any way to avoid the overlapping here?

Cool difficulty apart from that. Would rather call it a light Normal to the way it's mapped, but it does work better as the easiest diff.

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-02T18:50:40+00:00

Bakari wrote:
[Bonsaisy]
00:03:323 (5,6) - could be pretty confusing for beginners. Is there any way to avoid the overlapping here? Not without making it super-ugly, but do not worry, I did something very similar in this Easy at 01:09:124 (7) and looked at as many beginner-replays as I could when it got qualified/ranked, and nobody had a particular problem with that, so I think this one should be okay too ^^ (+it's just four seconds into the map so I think retrying wouldn't be a huge loss either lol)

Cool difficulty apart from that. Would rather call it a light Normal to the way it's mapped, but it does work better as the easiest diff. That's a really stupid name tbh lol but I mean this is 260BPM, I didn't use a single 1/2 in whatever form and only very rarely used 1/1, the used gameplay-elements are definitely 100% approproate for an Easy, it just happens to be a fast one ^^

Thanks for checking this too!

pishifat

osu! Paragon

3,802 posts

Joined August 2013

pishifat 2016-09-04T18:41:04+00:00

SPOILER

Strategas wrote:
[General]

Unused hitsounds:
drum-hitclap2.wav

Hitsounds with delay:
drum-hitfinish2.wav

[Pish]

00:03:785 (1) - jump to this note would make more sense tho
00:11:169 (1) -
00:25:939 (1) -
actually you're following vocals I think, but still "rhythmic emphasis" plsactually you're following vocals I thinkactually you're following vocals I thinkactually you're following vocals I think

01:09:554 (2,3) - emphasizing snares less than kicks eek, 01:09:785 (4,5,6) - much better z

01:14:746 (1) - 01:16:593 (1) - 01:18:439 (1) - etc. not sure what this follows tbh, both guitar and vocal end on the downbeat. the only reason I can think of is lower density/variety gutiar always red

01:15:323 (3) - 01:48:554 (3) - nice snapping s

pishi
00:53:977 (3,1) - does this jump really needs to be this big lol my boy sliderleniency
01:26:862 (1,2,3,4) - nice g
01:06:093 (1,2,3) - could use a bit more hotness curves are not hot anymore

i agree, hp is very low, i could even pass it with not that much significant effort, please enforce me to play normally (; boosted

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... tra%5D.osu

Natteke desu

2,487 posts

Joined August 2012

Natteke desu 2016-09-09T15:00:46+00:00

ooouuaaah no changes

well, don't get me wrong, i just didn't found any of suggestion something i would like to use because of my tastes and such stuff nobody care, so i don't see a reason to quote every mod and copypast: "I disleik et sorre i lib it as et iz"

I hate blankets

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-11T20:59:28+00:00

yo Elvis

00:12:093 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - would be cool if you'd actually provide an explanation for this mess of a rhythm, inventing rhythms here when you didn't do it anywhere else doesn't work, just feels absolutely random when playing
00:18:323 (4) - In order to not completely fuck up the NCing n stuff I'd recommend to shorten this to 1/1, you never left a major downbeat completely empty anywhere else which makes it break the perpetual feeling of this section, and I mean the vocals are pretty much exactly as 'intense' as at 00:25:708 (1,2) - so I see no reason not to do it that way here too
00:40:477 (1) - please explain, a previous modder already pointed out that this makes no sense in any way
00:41:862 (1) - please explain - you realize that the guitar has notably stronger beats from 00:42:093 (2) - on, not from (1) on, right? These three combos here are really killing any sense of differentiation and don't seem to relate to the song very much anymore
01:17:285 (5) - what is this following? I don't recognize any note on the head except the permanent-1/2-thingy, while there is drums and guitar on the tail, and it seems especially weird since you emphasize that guitar with 3/4-sliders at both previous and at the next instance of this
01:28:708 - Why are you completely ignoring the drums in the first half of this section and then fully map them in the second one?
01:49:246 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - after listening to this five times I finally see what you're following, but lemme tell ya this isn't noticable at all, I'd strongly recommend to support this with some special hitsounding for those notes bc otherwise it just seems random
01:43:477 - please explain what you're basing your NCs on here
01:55:246 (4,5,6) - would be cool if you'd actually follow the song here instead of overmapping your own stuff, this sounds really confusing and disturbing when playing bc you hear a different rhythm in the music than you are playing simultaneously

there are not only suggestions in here but also questions (which have been there in previous mods too but you ignored most of them), so I'd prefer explanations for most of these points instead of "no changes bc I don't like it" ok thx

Natteke desu

2,487 posts

Joined August 2012

Natteke desu 2016-09-11T22:04:55+00:00

1:
00:04:708 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - you can notice that it's same with one you mentoined. A bit more explaitation why it's made like this in both moments:
As already was told, main idea of this part is mapping hi-hats while highlighting some vocals parts which i feel strong enough to be emphazised and 00:12:093 (1,2) - ending of the phrase in my opinion not that thing should be prefered over hi-hats
2:
personally i disagree about these vocals, but both ways works fine for me, so i don't mind changing
3:
my bad, was intended to remove this one but forgot xd
4:
should be fine now thought
5:
on random circle i guess (fixed anyways)
6:
01:35:169 (1,2,3,1,2) - did i? Also, i didn't tried to emphazise drums (except last bit of kiai) but this 01:49:246 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) - (on this timestamp it sounds a bit different (as you actually noticed) but it's still the same thing)
So i follow vocals(andsomedrums) because that thing (i honestly forgot name of this pls don't kill) i follow in the second part of kiai exist only there. Also because i was intended to make second part of kiai harder than the first one (because i find it good decision to go with and yes, i like it)
7:
personally i do believe it's really noticeable so i'd keep it as it is
8:
patterning pruporses, i simply dislike how it looks without ncs
9:
welp ok

Hope that was clear enough.

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Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-11T22:18:33+00:00

Uh, how is 00:04:708 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) the same as 00:12:093 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) -? The first one is regular 4/4-patterns, while the second one is a 3/4-pattern + a 4/4-pattern + a 5/4-pattern O.o I'm talking about patterning/NCing here, not spacing or emphasis or anything, dunno what "mapping hi-hats while highlighting some vocals" has to do with this bc it's just twelve equivalent beats without vocals on any of them except the first one

and @ 6: Yeah, as Strategas has pointed out there's drums at 01:30:900 and at 01:34:593 -, and also at 01:35:746 - ^^

Natteke desu

2,487 posts

Joined August 2012

Natteke desu 2016-09-12T00:15:24+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
Uh, how is 00:04:708 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) the same as 00:12:093 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) -? The first one is regular 4/4-patterns, while the second one is a 3/4-pattern + a 4/4-pattern + a 5/4-pattern O.o I'm talking about patterning/NCing here, not spacing or emphasis or anything, dunno what "mapping hi-hats while highlighting some vocals" has to do with this bc it's just twelve equivalent beats without vocals on any of them except the first one

and @ 6: Yeah, as Strategas has pointed out there's drums at 01:30:900 and at 01:34:593 -, and also at 01:35:746 - ^^

Oh if that so i misunderstood you.
Okay come back to the actuall question, i can't recall if i already told that in this thread, but whole first part basically don't have 'emphasis' in meaning people usually use these days. As was told before i map hi-hats, what means that if i want to make a map what would emphasise song as close as it's possible i actually should keep spacings, patterning, NCs and other stuff always the same because there is no really noticeable changes in how hi-hats sounds, what is (in my opinion) boring as heck. Thats why i decided to improvise and simply make some stuff what would be fun to play in my opinion, so inconsistencies in NCs and patterning is this 'improvisation' what actually pure random choises which came to my mind when i was mapping this song.
If you want more specifics about stuff on the timestamp, welp, i just wanted to add some squares because i like squares, thats that 'improvisation' i was talking above.

Okay so, before we start discussion (i honestly don't know if we will but i think i better point this right now) about how good or bad this way to map things, i'd like to point couple of things :
Personally i don't see anything bad about making some 'random' stuff in certain situations (only if this s t u f f isn't exaggerated).
I do believe that there is always many ways to represent song by a map and some of them might be not really obvious, what, however, doesn't makes these ways forbidden nor something you really should do everytime you map.

Hope my shitty engrish didn't made this textwall unreadable

Bonsai

1,212 posts

Joined July 2011

Bonsai 2016-09-12T14:22:32+00:00

Yeah I get your point of not wanting to make everything 100% the same and boring, and I'm completely okay with how your diff is mapped in general, and maybe I'd be okay with this part too if it weren't the only place where you do it that randomly - The whole first thirty seconds of the mapped are mapped with 29 4/4-combos, only these three combos, these three seconds, are different - Basically, the inconsistency is inconsistent with the rest of the intro which is mapped consistent :/
~~squares are naturally 4/4-patterns xd~~

Sorry if I'm appearing too strict, I just wanna get my point across ( / - \ )

Pho

1,785 posts

Joined November 2013

Pho 2016-10-30T21:16:40+00:00

japanese tree poked me, so here's the mod for you~

Bold: Fix quickly/unrankable issues
Purple: Questionable
Red: Highly recommend

[General]

widescreen on MX on please

[bonsai]

Naming this 'Bonsai's Normal' would be a far better option here, you make heavy usage of 1/1 rhythm patterns and rather drastic SV changes in a high bpm song as well so that just makes more sense.
Especially that jump from 1.5xSV to 1.0xSV after the first kiai is questionable.
00:03:323 (5,6) - ew. on a sidenote, would be cool if you don't overlap that heart and the circle
00:11:169 (7) - loosen up the path a bit around the red anchor
00:42:093 (4) - 2x repeat-sliders in easy? name it normal and i'm okay with these

[na]

Would set NCs after every 2 stanza instead, right now they are pretty small and could be a bit bigger.
00:25:939 (1) - sliderpath of this slider needs to be clearer for a normal difficulty, loose up the path around the red anchor
01:28:708 (1) - There should be a finisher on sliderend, same for 01:32:400 (1) -
01:52:708 (1) - hitnormal on sliderend

[bonsai2]

00:11:400 (2) - adding a curve on the first edge would make it look more aesthetical:
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01:15:785 (1,2) - this actual calls for blanket
01:28:016 - considering your main focus in the map was the vocals, it's not too great if you leave these out here.
01:43:477 (1,2,3,4,5) - this pattern looks broken, visually, I'd clean it up a bit:
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[fiery]

00:28:708 (2) - Having this being 2 sliders instead would make for a better transition in to the next part i believe
00:47:400 (3,1,2,3,4) - this felt like a difficulty spike for me, you should probably tone down the jumps here

[elvis]

00:22:708 (2,1) - Could need more emphasis on 1, put it a bit further away from the slider, maybe on the playfield center.
01:19:246 (4,1,2,3) - this is pure evil to play on high bpm lol, heavily forces the player to alternate which can result in awkward tapping. you sure you don't want to switch the two circles with a slider instead?
01:34:593 - 01:35:746 - 01:44:631 (1,4) - 01:46:477 (1,4) - 01:52:016 (1,4) - 01:53:862 (1,4) - Looks like NCs got messed up here somehow

[pish]

01:05:631 (1,2,3) - At this bpm, it's really hard to tell whether these are 1/2 or 1/4 and more often than not will be confused with the latter (also because you mapped 1/4 like 01:06:323 (3,1) - right after). Use higher spacing here would help, maybe around 0.6xDS
01:56:285 (6,1,2,1) - thnk you pishi for screwing me up
cool stuff

my modding gets worse by the day. good luck with this set!

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