Feerum wrote:

Hello

Few things.

[Please Enjoy~]
00:13:265 (13265|0,13295|1,13443|3,13473|2) - Here you used for this.. uh.. hihat? sound 1/12 snaps
But here: 02:33:979 (153979|1,153979|0,154001|2,154158|3,154180|2) - you used for absolute the same hihat 1/16.
So, there is no 1/12 or 1/16. Can't be possible that the same sound is different snapped.
Oh yeah and here too 02:30:408 - 1/16 ?_? adjusted the first 1/12 snaps to 1/16

01:23:920 (83920|3) - LN on 1/3 intentionally? I tried to make it 1/3 smaller and moved it 1/3 back instead

Screen

So uh fixes are done

Verniy_Chan wrote:

00:00:051 - unnecessary greenline, there's no SV change

00:33:275 - 01:19:727 - unsnapped greenline?

Pope Gadget wrote:

Verniy_Chan wrote:

00:00:051 - unnecessary greenline, there's no SV change

thanks hydria

Harbyter wrote:

before requalify here something


[Please enjoy~]

00:05:675 (5675|3) - what is this note for? since you mapped this hat 00:05:527 (5527|0) - i think you should follow the other two hats here too like in pope's insane 00:05:646 - 00:05:705 - changed

00:34:217 (34217|1) - suggest to remove since it doesn't follow what you mapped at this point , otherside adding a note here 00:34:113 - out of the sounds here, I wanted to map the stronger ones, which I did, adding another note there feels a bit cluttered for an area that should be treated as pseudo-silent

00:36:702 (36702|3) - ?_? there is actually two notes there

00:38:920 (38920|1,38934|3) - ???___???? if those are really for the ''chuu'' then i highly suggest to remove but there's two note shifts at the end of the chuu which these notes cover

00:51:122 (51122|2,51241|2,51360|2) - i don't think this little jack suits since those pitch are decreasing they resemble the same sound, even if it is decreasing, and I feel like it plays better as a jack

01:13:443 - 01:13:622 - add notes in col 3 , they follow those vocals 01:13:800 (73800|2,73979|2,74158|2) - that's it's own sample which I purposefully left out for the focus being on the higher pitched voice throughout this section

01:22:550 - 01:22:729 - ?_? suggest to use a simple 1/16 instead of a mix of 1/16 and 1/12 since same reason as above, there's multiple notes there

01:46:955 (106955|2,106955|0) - those should be in 1/4 this whole piano section should be a simple 1/4 but then it would be snapped incorrectly

01:48:652 (108652|1,108741|0,108741|3) - the delay is strong here ,those should be in 1/4 too same point as above

01:48:934 (108934|2) - don't suggest to map this echo sound like I like it though

01:53:652 (113652|1,113652|2,113652|3) - white line that's where the snap belongs

02:22:059 (142059|1,142104|2,142149|3) - should be a 1/6 REALLY ruins the flow of the song

[Hard]

00:16:866 (16866|3,17045|3) - suggest to keep the consistency snaps, try to remove and turn those 00:16:836 (16836|2,17015|2) - into little LN? I think a 1/12 LN would be a lot harder to hit

00:34:217 (34217|1) - same here like in the hardest diff, but here i suggest to remove this note only same reason as top diff

00:38:890 (38890|2) - suggest to remove but there's clearly a note there

00:51:122 (51122|1,51241|2,51360|3) - ctrl +g and 00:51:479 (51479|1) - move in col 4 for pitch ok done

01:42:908 - liked this hard untill here, in my opinion mapping the vocals here ruins the map ,it's pretty weird while playing too , also suggest to follow the correct snaps in the 1/4 1. stop trying to snap everything to 1/4 it's wrong. 2. each diff in this mapset is supposed to be unique compared to each other, and so this separates it from just being "another typical hard diff"

02:10:527 (130527|1,130586|3,130631|2,130675|1) - ?_? this pattern doesn't follow any of those instrumental and sound effect , suggest to change into something else changed the 1/8ths to 1/6ths

02:13:533 (133533|0) - suggest to move in col 3 and this 02:13:622 (133622|1) - in col 1 , this pattern give a more good feeling for this vocal 02:13:622 (133622|3,133622|1) - is higher pitched compared to 02:13:979 (133979|3,133979|0) -

02:13:800 (133800|2,133890|1) - ctrlh to difference the flow from the previous pattern but it's descending

02:22:104 (142104|1) - ghost ,since here we got a 1/6 ruins flow

02:30:430 (150430|3,150609|0) - suggest to remove and turning 02:30:408 (150408|1,150586|2) - into little LNsread previous point

02:33:979 (153979|3,154001|0,154158|1,154180|2) - same those

little suggestion for the flow of those pattern

02:35:765 (155765|0) - move in col 4

02:36:122 (156122|3) - move in 2

02:36:300 (156300|1,156479|2) - move 1 col on the right

02:37:104 (157104|1) - suggest to remove , this note is out of the place since this whole slow section you mapped the kicks, claps , hats and the bells?

if you followed the previous suggestion move this note 02:37:015 (157015|0) - in col 2 the flow is fine as it is


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that's all i think

Harbyter wrote:

[Pope's Insane]

00:26:479 - since you mapped those strange sounds isn't better to make here 1/6 and here 00:26:836 - the 1/8?? Since the first sound is slower and the second one faster
what

01:45:765 - suggest to follow what i've suggested in the ''Please enjoy~''
no

02:21:955 - the 1/6 hat doesn't start here you should move this note in 1/8 or removing it since you didn't mapped the previous 1/8 at this point
but it does

02:22:104 (142104|2) - what is this for??? suggest to remove
k

Ascendance wrote:

This map actually passed through with such bad NC usage? LMAO, bns really need to rethink their positions, like why the fuck are there so many kats where there should be dons. Seriously consider quitting mapping.

Starry- wrote:

Been away for the majority of the week so apologies for the lateness, but I really believe there are still a few issues within this mapset that will prevent the map from being ranked.

A large issue is with Pope's Insane - 00:33:275 - uses 0.01x SV which is achievable by the editor and can only be used by editing the .osu file - I'm fairly sure this isn't allowed and is against the current ranking criteria. I guess this is allowed? Checked with Okorin.
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Also; 01:52:580 - ~ seems to have a lot of snapping conflicts between each difficulty.

Pope's Insane | Hard

This is the snapping in Please Enjoy~ | Hard


please notice that apart from the 1/8 snapped LN (which is for the vocals) all the rest of the notes are snapped correctly

Really not sure how I feel about the 0.95~0.98x SV and 1.02~1.1x SV in Pope's Insane - to me they seem a bit arbitrary and don't really add anything to the map itself. they're still fine though

Also OD9.1 on the "Please Enjoy~" difficulty can prove to be more of nuisance than anything when trying to acc a map filled with LN ends ending on 1/12ths and 1/16 snaps. This should be up for discussion further - I assume you'd choose such a high OD to prevent the ending 1/8 from being jumptrilled, although I believe even with a lower OD such as 8.5~ a player will not be able to jumptrill the 1/8 and get full 300s. you can basically get all 300s with the correct timing on 9.1 as it is, so lowering it to 8.5 will make it even easier

There's a ton of snap approximations in this map (1/8 in the place of 1/12) but I'm pretty sure it's intentional - not quite sure where the Criteria Council stands with this. if you could actually point out where these are that would be nice

I hope this can get sorted as soon as possible and be put back into qualified very soon if it is to disqualify over this. The last 3 points I made are more up for discussion if anything, but definitely the first 2 should be fixed.

Starry- wrote:

There's a ton of snap approximations in this map (1/8 in the place of 1/12) but I'm pretty sure it's intentional - not quite sure where the Criteria Council stands with this.

Blocko wrote:

Disqualifying this with the points raised above, and other things that need to be changed. They could use a bit more clarification before moving this set forward. Yo thanks for this birthday present, I really appreciate it.

There seems to be a snapping conflict in Pope's Insane on 00:26:479 (26479|0,26524|1,26568|2,26613|3,26658|1) - and 00:26:836 (26836|2,26896|3,26955|2,27015|1) - . They're mapped under the same sounds, but they're in different snaps. It's better to stick to one particular snap for consistency with said snaps. they're not mapped under the same sound though, there's a sparkle noise for me and the voice for pope

The way this section 01:42:908 - is layered out makes it a lot more complex than it should be, and this goes to all difficulties. They're clearly single piano notes, but very faint echoes are mapped along with it, which makes this part overdone. Those echoes are something most players won't be able to hear unless it's under 25% playback rate.
I'd really recommend just sticking to one or two notes under one particular snapping. It may make the map a little easier and may remove uniqueness, but simple patterns would reduce unneeded complexity and would simply play much better than before.

ok look, this whole map is based around it's uniqueness, from the majority of minijacks to overall snapping, and even the density of some sections is all designed to be something fresh and original, this one section here is no different, and remains as a staple of difficulty throughout even the easier sections, it also gives the maps some uniqueness to themselves with each part mapped to something different, plus all the snaps aren't the same so it makes no sense to put them all "on one snap" because it doesn't work.

Also, it'd be better if you could provide more coherent reasons on provided feedback. That way, it's easier to understand why you mapped a pattern in a certain way or why you arranged SVs like that, and it would allow more suggestions (and possibly improvements) to follow through. Remember to keep discussion in a civil manner, as well. you're making it hard to do so, but I will.

Good luck, and don't give up!

Starry- wrote:

Been away for the majority of the week so apologies for the lateness, but I really believe there are still a few issues within this mapset that will prevent the map from being ranked.

Really not sure how I feel about the 0.95~0.98x SV and 1.02~1.1x SV in Pope's Insane - to me they seem a bit arbitrary and don't really add anything to the map itself. talk to pope about this

Also OD9.1 on the "Please Enjoy~" difficulty can prove to be more of nuisance than anything when trying to acc a map filled with LN ends ending on 1/12ths and 1/16 snaps. This should be up for discussion further - I assume you'd choose such a high OD to prevent the ending 1/8 from being jumptrilled, although I believe even with a lower OD such as 8.5~ a player will not be able to jumptrill the 1/8 and get full 300s. I don't think LNs ending on 1/12 and 1/16 is a major issue as long as the LN is long enough, the game is designed with a really big release window (which is why it's getting more restricted in scoreV2) and so the weighting of making the LN ends harder compared to making the 1/8 stream at the end harder is basically ignorable.

There's a ton of snap approximations in this map (1/8 in the place of 1/12) but I'm pretty sure it's intentional - not quite sure where the Criteria Council stands with this. kamikaze already covered this

Hydria wrote:

Yo thanks for this birthday present, I really appreciate it.

Hydria wrote:

they're not mapped under the same sound though, there's a sparkle noise for me and the voice for pope

Hydria wrote:

ok look, this whole map is based around it's uniqueness, from the majority of minijacks to overall snapping, and even the density of some sections is all designed to be something fresh and original, this one section here is no different, and remains as a staple of difficulty throughout even the easier sections, it also gives the maps some uniqueness to themselves with each part mapped to something different, plus all the snaps aren't the same so it makes no sense to put them all "on one snap" because it doesn't work.

Hydria wrote:

you're making it hard to do so, but I will.

Hydria wrote:

ok can we get this ranked again then
next time post your reasons before the DQ so I don't have to waste even more time in qualified

Blocko wrote:

Hydria wrote:

Yo thanks for this birthday present, I really appreciate it.

This DQ does not have anything to do with you personally, so don't take this the wrong way.

Hydria wrote:

they're not mapped under the same sound though, there's a sparkle noise for me and the voice for pope

I'm talking about Pope's diff here. Those two snaps are mapped under the same sound (vocal). It's just that the snapping is inconsistent among each other.
It'd be fine if both of those patterns are either in 1/6 or 1/8, but mixing them together is what causes a problem.

Hydria wrote:

ok look, this whole map is based around it's uniqueness, from the majority of minijacks to overall snapping, and even the density of some sections is all designed to be something fresh and original, this one section here is no different, and remains as a staple of difficulty throughout even the easier sections, it also gives the maps some uniqueness to themselves with each part mapped to something different, plus all the snaps aren't the same so it makes no sense to put them all "on one snap" because it doesn't work.

To be fair, this map is already unique to begin with. Like you mentioned, it already has minijacks, complex snaps and unorthodox patterns, but it's just this one section that doesn't seem to fare well with others. Making it overly complex so it's 'fresh' and 'unique' when it doesn't even warrant anything that much doesn't really make it unique, but exaggerated. Simplicity does work when one part of the song is already simple.

Hydria wrote:

you're making it hard to do so, but I will.

You're making it harder for yourself because you're taking the whole qualification process way too personally.

Hydria wrote:

ok can we get this ranked again then
next time post your reasons before the DQ so I don't have to waste even more time in qualified

That's not how it works. Someone posts their concerns in a qualified map, and if there's a discussion going on about them or if the QAT thinks it's a valid report, it will get DQ'd so the map can go through further adjustments.
If you think the whole ranking process is a big waste of time (which includes the map being qualified for a week where people can post their concerns at any time during the week before it gets ranked), you should probably think about why you're ranking something in the first place.

No hard feelings, birthday dude. I'm just trying to do my thing around here.

If any BN is gonna qualify this map, please come speak to me first about it.

Blocko wrote:

To be fair, this map is already unique to begin with. Like you mentioned, it already has minijacks, complex snaps and unorthodox patterns, but it's just this one section that doesn't seem to fare well with others. Making it overly complex so it's 'fresh' and 'unique' when it doesn't even warrant anything that much doesn't really make it unique, but exaggerated. Simplicity does work when one part of the song is already simple.

Hydria wrote:

There seems to be a snapping conflict in Pope's Insane on 00:26:479 (26479|0,26524|1,26568|2,26613|3,26658|1) - and 00:26:836 (26836|2,26896|3,26955|2,27015|1) - . They're mapped under the same sounds, but they're in different snaps. It's better to stick to one particular snap for consistency with said snaps. they're not mapped under the same sound though, there's a sparkle noise for me and the voice for pope

Hydria wrote:

ok can we get this ranked again then
next time post your reasons before the DQ so I don't have to waste even more time in qualified