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In your eyes, how relevant is ranking to skill?

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Mahogany
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Mahogany

Lampranthus wrote:

I consider speed=BPM
But even if it's a speed you and I would consider low at our current skill levels, it's still something that needs to be learnt. A new rhythm game player isn't going to be able to consistently and accurately singletap 168bpm as soon as they start playing: They need to start on easies and normals and slowly build their way up to that speed. They learn and gain the speed-related skills required to singletap 168, something that does require skills in terms of speed.

Yes, it's not much speed required, but there still is a speed requirement. It does exist, as low as it might be. (also DT)
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Hinpoppo
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Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

Endaris wrote:

And I don't call that a civil discussion either, it started off pretty rough
I'm aware but you weren't as far as calling other people names.

Also you might want to fix your quoting there, you can't use more than 2 quotes in each other unless you're using the forum-alpha/beta at http://new.ppy.sh
I'm a pretty shitty person honestly, I'm not above human standards lol

-Toushin wrote:

Nice drama
Welcome to oss (?)
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny
I tend to forget that autism is a very sensitive topic among the osu community.
Hvick711
73 posts
Joined July 2014
Hvick711

a loli wrote:

I tend to forget that autism is a very sensitive topic among the osu community.
Very
Xyrus_old_1
407 posts
Joined October 2015
Xyrus_old_1

Endaris wrote:

Also you might want to fix your quoting there, you can't use more than 2 quotes in each other unless you're using the forum-alpha/beta at http://new.ppy.sh
Alpha sucks cuz no spoiler tags :(
KanoSet
906 posts
Joined October 2014
KanoSet

-Toushin wrote:

a loli wrote:

I tend to forget that autism is a very sensitive topic among the osu community.
Very
Very
Aktsumi
71 posts
Joined March 2015
Aktsumi
Ranking = skill
this is why you don't retry the same thing over and over again just to get a high score [or use mods]
because it's not helping your consistency or reading skills. it's raising your rank.
StephOsu
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Joined February 2015
StephOsu

Lampranthus wrote:

I consider speed=BPM

I partially disagree on this
I mean yeah BPM can be the measurement for speed but we also have stuffs like AR which determines the speed as well.
We can deem the beatmap as "too fast to aim/tap" if we can't tap it on time not because the BPM is too high, but the AR is too high instead, ain't we?
We can also deem the beatmap as "too fast for me to aim/tap" if the beatmap has jumps that's too hard for us/overmapped, ain't we?
I think that there's a lot of factors to determine if a beatmap is fast, including player skills.
I might be a filthy 23k rank but I would like to, and I have the right to voice my opinion as well.

KanoSet wrote:

-Toushin wrote:

a loli wrote:

I tend to forget that autism is a very sensitive topic among the osu community.

Very

Very

Very
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Hinpoppo
184 posts
Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

StephOsu wrote:

Lampranthus wrote:

I consider speed=BPM
I partially disagree on this
I mean yeah BPM can be the measurement for speed but we also have stuffs like AR which determines the speed as well.
We can deem the beatmap as "too fast to aim/tap" if we can't tap it on time not because the BPM is too high, but the AR is too high instead, ain't we?
We can also deem the beatmap as "too fast for me to aim/tap" if the beatmap has jumps that's too hard for us/overmapped, ain't we?
I think that there's a lot of factors to determine if a beatmap is fast, including player skills.
I might be a filthy 23k rank but I would like to, and I have the right to voice my opinion as well.
That is completely true, but I suppose this could also be considered reading speed? idk
Of course the term in itself is relative, as most of the very foundation of any term that is a symbol for something.
And you don't need to be a high rank to have an understanding of the game lol, many people have been playing for years and know the ins-and-outs of the games yet don't increase their rank for whatever reason.
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

StephOsu wrote:

I partially disagree on this
I mean yeah BPM can be the measurement for speed but we also have stuffs like AR which determines the speed as well.
We can deem the beatmap as "too fast to aim/tap" if we can't tap it on time not because the BPM is too high, but the AR is too high instead, ain't we?
We can also deem the beatmap as "too fast for me to aim/tap" if the beatmap has jumps that's too hard for us/overmapped, ain't we?
I think that there's a lot of factors to determine if a beatmap is fast, including player skills.
I might be a filthy 23k rank but I would like to, and I have the right to voice my opinion as well.
Anything below 240 bpm is below average - Khelly
StephOsu
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StephOsu

Lampranthus wrote:

That is completely true, but I suppose this could also be considered reading speed? idk
Of course the term in itself is relative, as most of the very foundation of any term that is a symbol for something.
And you don't need to be a high rank to have an understanding of the game lol, many people have been playing for years and know the ins-and-outs of the games yet don't increase their rank for whatever reason.
IMO it's fair to consider reading speed as a form of "speed" skill that's required to complete a beatmap, and it's quite hard to gauge it since every player has different level of skill which cause them to consider a beatmap "fast"
Just for reference, my friends (who don't play this game) usually ask me this same ""How do you even keep up the speed?" question over again and again whenever I show them my 4.5*+ FCs, be it trash acc or good acc. While they think that it's too fast for them, I think that it's slow enough for me to shitmiss play it

Khelly wrote:

Anything below 240 bpm is below average - Khelly
Khelly > Hvick/Cookiezi/Rafis wen
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Hinpoppo
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Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

StephOsu wrote:

I partially disagree on this
I mean yeah BPM can be the measurement for speed but we also have stuffs like AR which determines the speed as well.
We can deem the beatmap as "too fast to aim/tap" if we can't tap it on time not because the BPM is too high, but the AR is too high instead, ain't we?
We can also deem the beatmap as "too fast for me to aim/tap" if the beatmap has jumps that's too hard for us/overmapped, ain't we?
I think that there's a lot of factors to determine if a beatmap is fast, including player skills.
I might be a filthy 23k rank but I would like to, and I have the right to voice my opinion as well.
Anything below 240 bpm is below average - Khelly
>Streams ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

Lampranthus wrote:

>Streams ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Excuse to post this

SPOILER
StephOsu
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StephOsu

Khelly wrote:

Excuse to post this

SPOILER
nice self-promotion
can't find any acc in there
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

Lampranthus wrote:

>Streams ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Excuse to post this

SPOILER
Meanwhile people can't clear delrio
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
I 0 missed delrio and I was really sad because I sliderbroke a place I never did. :(

SPOILER
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

I 0 missed delrio and I was really sad because I sliderbroke a place I never did. :(

SPOILER
Do you usually miss on the streams after the jumps
Your combo on like all of your other plays lmao

*actually off-topic*
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
On the jumps immediately after the break nearing the end of the map. Although I don't really play delrio anymore since I have better maps like warpledge or the deceit or reunion or whatever. Delrio was an amazing map like March of 2015 when Riince gave it to me because I could hardly pass the final longstream at the end but I kept spamming it until I could. I like the fact that the mapper nerfed the dump jumps near the end though. Makes the map a lot more passable.

SPOILER
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

On the jumps immediately after the break nearing the end of the map. Although I don't really play delrio anymore since I have better maps like warpledge or the deceit or reunion or whatever.

SPOILER
Fleshgod Apocalypse lol

So off-topic that what is a topic



Confined by your mentors


Your left hand would be really good for 1h trilling in mania lol

(Inb4 lock)
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Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
Fleshgod Apocalypse maps are the best. I need mazzerin to make one ranked.

Funfact: When I played mania 4K my right wrist starting hurting a lot but my left one felt absolutely nothing. It was an experience.
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

Fleshgod Apocalypse maps are the best. I need mazzerin to make one ranked.

Funfact: When I played mania 4K my right wrist starting hurting a lot but my left one felt absolutely nothing. It was an experience.
Osuturbating streams

Do you like cats or dogs
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
Cats
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

Cats
cool
StephOsu
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StephOsu

Lampranthus wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Cats
cool
cool I am a cat person too
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
Lamp says I'm good at jacking


Lennyface
Hinpoppo
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Hinpoppo

Khelly wrote:

Lamp says I'm good at jacking


Lennyface
You actually kinda are lmfao
but only half of you

check your PM nerd
KanoSet
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KanoSet

Lampranthus wrote:

(Inb4 lock)
most likely not dw
drum drum isn't around anymore :cry:
winber1
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winber1

Khelly wrote:

Funfact: When I played mania 4K my right wrist starting hurting a lot but my left one felt absolutely nothing. It was an experience.
hey man that's so cool!
-- nice !

i'm the opposite!! nice ! !
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

Lampranthus wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Lamp says I'm good at jacking


Lennyface
You actually kinda are lmfao
but only half of you

check your PM nerd

How did you do that
Risa
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Joined January 2014
Risa
In my eyes : near irrelevant

The only use for a player's rank that i can think of is to give a rough estimate of which tier that player is at.

And sometimes it can't even do that with the slightest bit of accuracy
I Give Up
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Joined January 2014
I Give Up
Ranking is only relevant to a particular set of skills. For example a #5000 nomod player would find it hard to beat a #10,000 DT player on a DT map, and vice versa. Some skills are very niche, like a #1000 DT player completely losing to a #10,000 EZ player on an EZ map. Then there is the question of playstyle, we need a playstyle category because being forced to having top mouse only players buried under billion pages of tablet players in the ranking board is not right.
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun
I don't see how it's unfair. If I want to gimp my playstyle by gripping my tablet pen with my anus, why should I have my own leaderboard?


I think I've turned into Soner.
I Give Up
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I Give Up
^ First you're an idiot. Secondly, playing mouse only is not equivalent to poking a graphics tablet pen up your butt.
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

KukiMonster wrote:

^ First you're an idiot. Secondly, playing mouse only is not equivalent to poking a graphics tablet pen up your butt.
Please explain further how playing in a way that's actually worse isn't deserving of being buried under loads of other people. I think you're an idiot for believing it's not right for mouse only players to be below tablet players.
I Give Up
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I Give Up
It is not "worse", it is simply a separate skill that is far more difficult to develop for most players. I don't need to prove anything to you, you should explain to me why we can't have rank by playstyle option when we currently have rank by score and rank by playcount.
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

KukiMonster wrote:

It is not "worse", it is simply a separate skill that is far more difficult to develop for most players. I don't need to prove anything to you, you should explain to me why we can't have rank by playstyle option when we currently have rank by score and rank by playcount.
How are you going to prove someone is mouse only/tablet and keyboard/tablet only/mouse and kb besides taking their word for it on their profile?

Also, what the hell is rank by playcount?
I Give Up
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I Give Up
Does not matter, the community can easily determine who are legit players by looking at their live play or by other trustworthy players vouching for them. The same way that multi-accounts are rooted out from us legit players.

https://osu.ppy.sh/p/playerranking/?m=0&s=1&r=&q=&f=
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Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

KukiMonster wrote:

Does not matter, the community can easily determine who are legit players by looking at their live play or by other trustworthy players vouching for them. The same way that multi-accounts are rooted out from us legit players.
So you're suggesting an acceptable solution is manually looking over everyone in said ranking? That sounds like a pretty bad solution to me. And remember, you can't have it for just mouse only + everyone else. It has to be for all play styles.
I Give Up
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I Give Up
And no I am saying it does not matter. That's why I wrote it does not matter.

Yes it will be tablet/kb, mouse/kb, mouse only, tablet only, and touch. Or something similar.
Yuudachi-kun
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Yuudachi-kun

KukiMonster wrote:

And no I am saying it does not matter. That's why I wrote it does not matter.
I thought you meant it doesn't matter that we can't really tell and have to give their words for it and will just resort to having a manual input of these leaderboards.


OKAY, so you're saying that we're going to have these playstyle leaderboards where a lot of the people in it aren't really legit, but the "community" will just know who's legit and who isn't.
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