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zyoi

Karen wrote:

thxxx ren gay gay ><
Satellite
real
Spork Lover
I'm pretty sure it will get a dmca right after ranking :P
Flask
哇恩珠
Irreversible
In all seriousness, I hope this is a joke.

wkyik's Asterik looks more like an overall 5.5 star map, pretty enjoyable. Until a 100 star pattern spikes everything horribly up. Everytime I see one of these maps one might think it can't get worse concerning the PP patterns. Then a new one gets ranked and I legitimately get surprised by something even more stupid.

Since i'm not in the position to take action myself, I would like to bring these patterns up : 01:15:191 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - . Depending on how the community thinks about this, QAT can take further action.
I Must Decrease
But MOM!!!! I cant get PP without mappers spoon feeding me! (or me, self spoon feeding myself)

01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - in all seriousness i really fail to see the purpose in the intensity build here considering the vocals calm down but the jumps just get bigger and bigger...

Also 01:13:874 (1,1) - i feel like these breaks are rather awkward given that we're approaching the climax of the song but it randomly stops and starts... not sure what the logic behind this is...
Mint
The intro and the first half of the KIAI in wkyik's diff are indeed really easy, but those (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) jumps aren't that hard to hit actually. Even with those jumps, 6.4* seems still like an overweighted value in my eyes from both mapping and playing perspective.
I don't think this is too problematic and should be up to the mapper.

Congrats!
I Must Decrease
Of course they're not hard to hit. They play to increase the star rating by being easy to read brain dead simple patterns that pay no attention to vocals or anything other than the goal of inflating star rating.
Shiirn
Problem being, most of the Asterisk difficutly tends to use 1.2x distance snap structure and patterning. It's effective and simple and plays very well.

Then you have the start of the kiai which poses similar structure but dips into 1.7x jumps near the end of each stanza. This, as well, is effective and simple and plays quite well. But it immediatly starts scaling these movements all over the place.

00:56:752 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - I will never, ever understand the obsession with oceania and having 1/2 double stack jumps like this. It plays like ass. It's easily one of the most uncomfortable jump-stop-jump-stop movements possible in this game, but I see it in every single stupid PP map from the East. Whenever people break on these maps, it's usually on these notes. It's not even the ridiculous jumps later on. 01:06:118 (2,3,4,5) - Same thing here, on the second refresh of the chorus. At least it's consistent, but this one is smaller for some reason?

01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense from a musical perspective, as the chorus is following the same musical pattern as 00:55:582 (2,3,4,5) - but it's mapped completely differently. I hate to be one to scream "consistency!", but there's a limit to how different you can make two nearly identical musical themes.

01:11:972 (1) - This new combo doesn't belong.

01:15:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I shouldn't need to explain why this is downright offensive and insulting. Sure, it's the climax of the chorus, but there is nothing musically going on that's any different from the rest of it. The only difference is that the vocalist is a bit more out of breath.



Do note that shrinking 01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - and 01:15:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - to a mere 2.0 to 2.5 distance snap (which is still jumpy!) drops the star rating to 5.6. That's right. A Full 0.8 stars..


There's pp mapping and then there's just plain seeing what you can get away with. It's even more disappointing that the rest of the map is quite good.


EDIT: Honestly, the double-1/2 stacked circles are more difficult than the nonsensical jumps... which is just another reason why it's dumb.
Yuii-
To be honest, wkyik's diff reminds me of some Azer's diff in which he placed extreme jumps at the very end of the set to raise the SR. I'm not flaming anyone, it's just that if you are going to map a 7 SR difficulty, you SHOULD, at least, make the whole difficulty feel like it's hella hard instead of doing such an overdone pattern.
Also, 00:21:338 (1) - you should split this into to objects, having 00:21:923 - in the same slider makes no sense whatsoever.
00:28:362 (1,2) - Looks like a 1/4 pattern rather.
00:35:386 - Would have expected more emphasis on this whole section, right now it looks like you are mapping some really calm sounds yet the music isn't even close to that.
00:42:411 (1) - Emphasis is important, what about x480 y312?
00:53:972 (7,1) - This kinda kills the motion.

I'm fine with everything else.

btw @momoko: 01:04:508 (5) - ctrl+g would be AWESOME!
ConsumerOfBean
alright so let me make a few comments because saying "PP MAPPING IS BAD" in 2 sentences isn't really helpful to conversations isn't it?
01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i really don't see the point of this jump, i mean there's clearly no reason to put a jump here that is this big in a place where there's pretty much no emphasis in the song, is there?
01:13:874 (1,2) - random 1/1 pause because..? the one before the jump is alright IMO since it allows you to prepare a little bit, but this really doesn't make sense as there's no other 1/1 pauses in the kiai besides this, this could EASILY be a 1/1 slider or maybe 3 1/2 notes
01:23:386 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - i don't see the reason to have these be 1/4 sliders and not 1/2 circles, but that's just me, i might just be deaf. (EDIT: I can hear the background noise but it took like 5 replays of the song without the notes)

now this post might be of some sort of use?
hyouri
TehDragonGuy
I'm sorry, but as other people have stated, why on earth is this allowed to be qualified? The other two mapsets already got DMCA'd, surely that's enough evidence that they clearly don't want their song in osu!. Like seriously. It's just stupid even trying, not forgetting that it's plain rude and blatantly illegal.
Asahina Momoko
tfw i noticed that this has already been qf'd and something is going now lol
anyways, congratulations!!

@yuii exactly xdd
Yuii-
@TehDragonGuy: Following your formatting - read osu!'s copyright policy and Ranking Criteria. We, as mappers (actually I am not a mapper, but you get it) are free to rank anything we want. Artists are then, free to request a DMCA whenever they want and it will take down as soon as possible. Some songs have been taken down many times while others are still downloadable due to artists not requesting anything else.
Let me repeat you just in case: You can rank anything you want. Don't worry about copyright, that's not something you should worry about since you can always provide a mirror download.

@Momoko: xdd

@Irre: kek
Doormat

TehDragonGuy wrote:

I'm sorry, but as other people have stated, why on earth is this allowed to be qualified? The other two mapsets already got DMCA'd, surely that's enough evidence that they clearly don't want their song in osu!. Like seriously. It's just stupid even trying, not forgetting that it's plain rude and blatantly illegal.
the others have issue with how there is what they think is a huge spike in jump distance near the end of wkyik's Asterisk, which is why they are questioning why it's qualified, not because the song was dmca'd before. read yuii-'s response

haven't seen the map myself so i can't really comment on it. hope you can get this sorted out soon-
Underforest
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gratz :)

VINXIS wrote:

stealin my mem e. ; /
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VINXIS
stealin my mem e. ; /
Deif
01:15:191 (1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - On wkyik's Asterisk this is a clear example of how a generic difficulty peak was randomly placed, and not mapped to the possibilities of the melody. It might work well for other beatmaps, but not for this one at all. You should definitely look for alternatives to this pattern, as others suggested in this thread.

For the other suggestions, please address them in the thread as well if you agree with them or not (and why). Now you have the opportunity to improve your beatmap.

Good luck!
Kibbleru
how does that not make sense? its the climax of the chorus of the song. if you look at the spacing used in the rest of the kiai (which were fairly large) doesn't the jumps perfectly make sense? how is this random at all?

sure there isnt anything specific in the music, but why cant it be mapped to the general feel of the song?
hlanden
In my opinion (and yes, this is my first ever post in these forums, that's just how much I love the song, and the map is really fun) the only real issue in this map is 01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - These jumps right there almost feel like they have no rythm to them and why is the spacing getting even bigger?
Oh and also 01:17:460 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) could be remaade into a stream if there is really that big of a deal with these sliders, but I find it fine that way...

Also, I was really looking forward to this map, hope @wkyik can fix it soon enough :)
ConsumerOfBean

Kibbleru wrote:

how does that not make sense? its the climax of the chorus of the song. if you look at the spacing used in the rest of the kiai (which were fairly large) doesn't the jumps perfectly make sense? how is this random at all?

sure there isnt anything specific in the music, but why cant it be mapped to the general feel of the song?
01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - yeah this is SooOoOOoOOoOOoOo proper placement for the 2nd biggest jump in the song, when the vocals are at a LOW.. Makes PERFECT sense am i rite????1!!
No. It doesn't feel right. Especially in that part of the chorus.
Chocolat
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Nakano Itsuki
I dont get it either.
That jump is literally the climax of the song, how come it's not appropriate?
ConsumerOfBean

StarrStyx wrote:

I dont get it either.
That jump is literally the climax of the song, how come it's not appropriate?
For the difficulty this map's spacing establishes, the jump is way too large.
In fact, without 2 jumps ( 01:15:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - and 01:06:704 (6,7,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ) , the map is 5.58*, ALMOST A FULL STAR LESS. If this map were 5.8 or even 5.9* with those 2 jumps replaced it'd be a lot less of a problem but as it is it's a diffspike that is WAY too large for the sole purpose of PP.
Nakano Itsuki
Then just say its about the reletive spacing of the whole map.
Cuz saying that part isnt suitable for large jumps doesnt make sense at all tbh.
(Or maybe I'm just confused, thought ppl are saying that part isnt the climax or something
Kibbleru

FailureAtOsu wrote:

Kibbleru wrote:

how does that not make sense? its the climax of the chorus of the song. if you look at the spacing used in the rest of the kiai (which were fairly large) doesn't the jumps perfectly make sense? how is this random at all?

sure there isnt anything specific in the music, but why cant it be mapped to the general feel of the song?
01:06:996 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - yeah this is SooOoOOoOOoOOoOo proper placement for the 2nd biggest jump in the song, when the vocals are at a LOW.. Makes PERFECT sense am i rite????1!!
No. It doesn't feel right. Especially in that part of the chorus.
i wasnt talking about that part. i was replying to deif's comment...
Rizia
so i have to make harder?
VINXIS
ya
Bearizm
kappa
Karen
reply the mods and let's bring this back?
hlanden
I would love to see this back
lLinutionHD
ufffffffffff.......until you qualify
ProfessionalBox
wkyikyki

00:04:069 (3) - Add a repeat to this for superb emphasizing jumps and to follow the sound all the way through 8)
00:08:606 (2,6) - This overlap looks a bit messy and should be quite easily fixed
00:10:801 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 1,2 spam here is a bit meh since you do it here as well 00:11:972 (1,2,1,2) - but the difference in rhythm isn't the same. I suggest removing the 1,2 combo spam from the first jump part becauce of that
00:16:655 (1,2) - This overlap looks somewhat unnecessary to me. Maybe space the sliders so that they don't overlap for visual naziness?
00:32:460 (5,1) - This spacing with the current combos makes little sense especially since you start the nc on red tick. I'd suggest NCing this instead 00:32:460 (5) -
00:42:411 (1,2) - Swap the NC for these 2, makes more sense imo or you could NC both
00:47:094 (3) - NC
00:48:850 (1) - Remove NC
00:49:289 (6) - NC
00:50:606 - Are you sure you want to leave this empty? The intake breath could be mapped with a fast SV slider + cool jumps for the vocals, just a suggestion
01:00:411 (4) - Maybe NC if you'd like
01:09:630 (3) - Maybe here too xd
01:15:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - megumin
01:19:435 (2,3) - This should't have more spacing than 01:19:582 (3,1) - even with the SV slowdown. I suggest trying to come up with a different spacing :p

done cya
Rizia

ProfessionalBox wrote:

wkyikyki

00:04:069 (3) - Add a repeat to this for superb emphasizing jumps and to follow the sound all the way through 8) imo rhythm will too full here if add reverse
00:08:606 (2,6) - This overlap looks a bit messy and should be quite easily fixed
00:10:801 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - 1,2 spam here is a bit meh since you do it here as well 00:11:972 (1,2,1,2) - but the difference in rhythm isn't the same. I suggest removing the 1,2 combo spam from the first jump part becauce of that
00:16:655 (1,2) - This overlap looks somewhat unnecessary to me. Maybe space the sliders so that they don't overlap for visual naziness?
00:32:460 (5,1) - This spacing with the current combos makes little sense especially since you start the nc on red tick. I'd suggest NCing this instead 00:32:460 (5) -
00:42:411 (1,2) - Swap the NC for these 2, makes more sense imo or you could NC both
00:47:094 (3) - NC
00:48:850 (1) - Remove NC
00:49:289 (6) - NC
00:50:606 - Are you sure you want to leave this empty? The intake breath could be mapped with a fast SV slider + cool jumps for the vocals, just a suggestion YES
01:00:411 (4) - Maybe NC if you'd like
01:09:630 (3) - Maybe here too xd
01:15:484 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - megumin
01:19:435 (2,3) - This should't have more spacing than 01:19:582 (3,1) - even with the SV slowdown. I suggest trying to come up with a different spacing :p i like this spacing now

done cya
thx!
no comment = fixed
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400,132,83972,6,0,L|394:176,1,45,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,264,84118,2,0,L|286:219,1,45,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,120,84264,6,0,L|178:164,1,45,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
76,252,84410,2,0,L|70:207,1,45,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
Topic Starter
zyoi
updated :D
Rizia
i did like to keep these jump so i remapped a half of the map (before kiai time) , make maps harder to cater the 6* jumps
smallboat
Confirm wkyik's diff quality better than previous one. Looks fine. Bubbled
Topic Starter
zyoi

smallboat wrote:

Confirm wkyik's diff quality better than previous one. Looks fine. Bubbled
Thanks 船船(*ˊᵕˋ*)(*ˊᵕˋ*)(*ˊᵕˋ*)(*ˊᵕˋ*)(*ˊᵕˋ*)
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