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Electro.muster & WOM feat. Aoki Lapis - A Sugar Business

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Lavender
something
  1. 00:29:237 (1) - NC feels random
  2. 00:48:619 (1,2) - 1/2 gap like this after a stream is confusing
  3. 01:47:439 (6) - two 1/4 sliders here would fit drums better
  4. 01:55:192 (5,1,2) - maybe make 1 further?
  5. 02:35:641 - You missed something here, I assume you follow instrument here, then 02:38:844 (2) - appears
  6. 03:01:259 (2,4) - I don't usually nazi but this could be improved. That's like some kinds of consistency break because you keep similar visual distance between 03:01:259 (2,1) - 03:00:754 (1,2) - but not here.
  7. 03:03:113 (5,6) - I know you used overlap 1/2 but it seems randomly placed. I can't sense any differences here.
  8. 03:11:119 (6,9) - Overmapped
  9. 03:14:911 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It seems inaudible
  10. 04:06:147 (2) - Making slider end clickable would be better I guess, 04:06:821 - 04:07:832 - vocal here is ignored.
  11. 04:11:372 (2) - same as above, try to make every vocal clickable
  12. 04:19:293 (2,3,4) - 1/1 circles is better here because slider end like 04:19:630 - should be stressed.
  13. 06:00:585 (3) - Is there any 1/6?
There are some nice ideas in this map, but it lacks a little aesthetic though.
Fantastic storyboard.
PandaHero
Hello, m4m from your queue

[General]
1. I think that your normal-hitnormal is too loud ._.
2. Remove Reya from tags? (sorry cutie :(). Also why you have dots in your tags?
3. Unused hitsounds:
normal-hitfinish3.wav
soft-hitclap3.wav

[Lactose Marathon]
  1. 00:30:248 (3,4,5,6,7) - when I saw this triangle first time, I really wanted to play it as a clockwise, so maybe it will be good idea to switch flow rotation here from anticlockwise to clockwise
  2. 02:12:720 (3,4,5,6,7) - same here, but from clockwise to anticlockwise
  3. 00:34:630 (1,2) - maybe swap ncs here for showing that instrument on 2 changes?
  4. 00:46:933 (6) - and 00:46:259 (3) - represent same vocal, will be cool if you make it with similar curve
  5. 00:53:169 (4) - hm, it will be more pleasant to read, if you will stack it with 2 note
  6. 00:54:686 (4,5) - what about make it parallel to 00:55:023 (6,7)? It will looks better
  7. 01:04:124 (3,4,5,6) - ah, as I say, such things looking so good
  8. 01:08:844 (1,2) - maybe switch this rhythm and make slider+note instead of note+slider? It feels strange, because you ignore strong sound on 01:09:181 while slider's head cover sound that I even can't hear
  9. 01:19:630 (1,2) - same sutiation here
  10. 01:47:271 (5,6) - and again
  11. 01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't really think this movements represent music well, try to make a skystar pattern? Smth like this - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951667
  12. 01:45:248 (1) - slider's end overlap accuracy bar, can you move it a bit up?
  13. 03:09:686 (6,7) - 1/4 slider will represent this sound better imo, it works so good here - 03:08:169 (4,5,6)
  14. 03:56:203 (4) - move it a bit up for better visuals? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951811
  15. 04:18:619 (2) - I would like to make two notes here and make slider's end clickable, it sounds strong enough for it
  16. 04:20:641 (4) - what about making this slider with the same angle as you did on 2, ctrl+g and then stack it's end with 3's head? Looks like cool pattern now https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951845 (also I suggest it because it's the same sound as you have on 2)
  17. 04:55:023 (5) - stack it with 04:55:360 (1) for better flow?
  18. 05:39:686 (1) - looks like nc spam for me
  19. 07:19:714 (1) - I guess you can gradually decrease volume lvl on it
That's all from me, good luck
NeilPerry
Hello. Let me mod some!

General: Recheck this thing cuz mod assistant cry warning abt this Oo - Unused hitsounds:
normal-hitfinish3.wav
soft-hitclap3.wav

Marathon:
I dont find any issuses, just wanted to point some visual and space moments.

02:28:394 (1) - mby change this shape a bit for the same angle with it 02:29:068 (3) - (it will looks more structurized or smth l;ike that :D) https://puu.sh/xlkrt/ee2d04b7ec.jpg

04:08:169 (1) - i guess u can come up with new art here. Smthing more aesthetic and conceptable Owo
04:24:349 (1,2,3) - i think u can emphaze this sound without staking. (just simple example https://puu.sh/xlkKP/cb7d00288d.jpg) Wubs here so strong
04:29:742 (1,2,3) - 04:35:136 (1,2,3) - 04:40:529 (1,2,3) - same thing. Btw it's okay but looks unconsistent for ur spacing in this part
05:22:664 (1) - not the best way to put sliderend on that strong tick.
05:37:664 (2) - stack break a bit
05:50:641 (1) - same as told i abt sliderarts
06:14:911 (1,2,3) - 06:20:304 (1,2,3) - 06:25:697 (1,2,3) - 06:31:091 (1,2,3) - 06:36:484 (1,2,3) - 06:41:877 (1,2,3) - 06:47:271 (1,2,3) - 06:52:664 (1,2,3) - u know :D
05:57:888 (2,3) - guess this spacing unnecessary big


Amazing sb! Cant wait it will be ranked
Topic Starter
-Tochi

Lavender wrote:

something
  1. 00:29:237 (1) - NC feels random It's to to emphasize the downbeat.
  2. 00:48:619 (1,2) - 1/2 gap like this after a stream is confusing It's a part of the mapping style, and I use it almost everytime so people will expect them.
  3. 01:47:439 (6) - two 1/4 sliders here would fit drums better I think a a slider is also fine here.
  4. 01:55:192 (5,1,2) - maybe make 1 further? What do you mean?
  5. 02:35:641 - You missed something here, I assume you follow instrument here, then 02:38:844 (2) - appears I only follow the sounds that is not the vocal, and there's some places where sound is on when she sings, so it looks like I miss some objects when she sings other places where there's no other sounds xD
  6. 03:01:259 (2,4) - I don't usually nazi but this could be improved. That's like some kinds of consistency break because you keep similar visual distance between 03:01:259 (2,1) - 03:00:754 (1,2) - but not here. You're right, fixed!
  7. 03:03:113 (5,6) - I know you used overlap 1/2 but it seems randomly placed. I can't sense any differences here. I used it here according to the snare.
  8. 03:11:119 (6,9) - Overmapped There's clearly sounds there, but I replaced them with kicksliders.
  9. 03:14:911 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - It seems inaudible Yeah that was my intention here, but it's only because of the hitsounds that it seems inaudible!
  10. 04:06:147 (2) - Making slider end clickable would be better I guess Fixed!, 04:06:821 - 04:07:832 - vocal here is ignored. It's way too faint to map in this part.
  11. 04:11:372 (2) - same as above, try to make every vocal clickable I think the slider here fits better.
  12. 04:19:293 (2,3,4) - 1/1 circles is better here because slider end like 04:19:630 - should be stressed. Fixed!
  13. 06:00:585 (3) - Is there any 1/6? Yes, but it's hard to hear when playing with playback at 25%
There are some nice ideas in this map, but it lacks a little aesthetic though. I see..
Fantastic storyboard. Thanks!
Thanks for the mod!
Topic Starter
-Tochi

PandaHero wrote:

Hello, m4m from your queue

[General]
1. I think that your normal-hitnormal is too loud ._. I think it's ok
2. Remove Reya from tags? (sorry cutie :() Yeah I forgot. Also why you have dots in your tags? That's what they're called, their names are with dots xD
3. Unused hitsounds:
normal-hitfinish3.wav
soft-hitclap3.wav
Removed!

[Lactose Marathon]
  1. 00:30:248 (3,4,5,6,7) - when I saw this triangle first time, I really wanted to play it as a clockwise, so maybe it will be good idea to switch flow rotation here from anticlockwise to clockwise The reason why it's anticlockwise is to avoid the linear flow at 00:30:754 (6,7,1) - if it was clockwise.
  2. 02:12:720 (3,4,5,6,7) - same here, but from clockwise to anticlockwise Same reason as above.
  3. 00:34:630 (1,2) - maybe swap ncs here for showing that instrument on 2 changes? The NC fits better on the downbeat imo.
  4. 00:46:933 (6) - and 00:46:259 (3) - represent same vocal, will be cool if you make it with similar curve Fixed!
  5. 00:53:169 (4) - hm, it will be more pleasant to read, if you will stack it with 2 note Not ingame, it's harder to reack it there.
  6. 00:54:686 (4,5) - what about make it parallel to 00:55:023 (6,7)? It will looks better I don't think it's necessary since it will break the pattern.
  7. 01:04:124 (3,4,5,6) - ah, as I say, such things looking so good :D
  8. 01:08:844 (1,2) - maybe switch this rhythm and make slider+note instead of note+slider? It feels strange, because you ignore strong sound on 01:09:181 while slider's head cover sound that I even can't hear You have a point, but I like when the patterns are kinda irregular!
  9. 01:19:630 (1,2) - same sutiation here Yup yup.
  10. 01:47:271 (5,6) - and again Yup.
  11. 01:16:933 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't really think this movements represent music well, try to make a skystar pattern? Smth like this - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951667 I moved this 01:17:608 (5) - to x:46 y:233 so it seems better.
  12. 01:45:248 (1) - slider's end overlap accuracy bar, can you move it a bit up? Fixed! You're the second one pointing it out, so guess that it needs to be fixed.
  13. 03:09:686 (6,7) - 1/4 slider will represent this sound better imo, it works so good here - 03:08:169 (4,5,6) Yeah it works good there because of the vocal at the start of the second kickslider, but there's no vocal at the triplet you wanted to be a kickslider so it feels bad D:
  14. 03:56:203 (4) - move it a bit up for better visuals? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951811 Imo the visual it already has seems better.
  15. 04:18:619 (2) - I would like to make two notes here and make slider's end clickable, it sounds strong enough for it I keep this slider, but I made the other sliders after clickable instead.
  16. 04:20:641 (4) - what about making this slider with the same angle as you did on 2, ctrl+g and then stack it's end with 3's head? Looks like cool pattern now https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8951845 (also I suggest it because it's the same sound as you have on 2) I already remade this part on the other mod!
  17. 04:55:023 (5) - stack it with 04:55:360 (1) for better flow? Nah, I wanted to achieve a circular flow instead.
  18. 05:39:686 (1) - looks like nc spam for me This NC is a must because the SV is different here.
  19. 07:19:714 (1) - I guess you can gradually decrease volume lvl on it Fixed!
That's all from me, good luck
Thanks for the mod!
Topic Starter
-Tochi

NeilPerry wrote:

Hello. Let me mod some!

General: Recheck this thing cuz mod assistant cry warning abt this Oo - Unused hitsounds: Yup, it's true I fixed it in last mod!
normal-hitfinish3.wav
soft-hitclap3.wav

Marathon:
I dont find any issuses, just wanted to point some visual and space moments. Alright

02:28:394 (1) - mby change this shape a bit for the same angle with it 02:29:068 (3) - (it will looks more structurized or smth l;ike that :D) https://puu.sh/xlkrt/ee2d04b7ec.jpg Fixed, but another way!

04:08:169 (1) - i guess u can come up with new art here. Smthing more aesthetic and conceptable Owo I think this art is good enough, but I can try later!
04:24:349 (1,2,3) - i think u can emphaze this sound without staking. (just simple example https://puu.sh/xlkKP/cb7d00288d.jpg) Wubs here so strong That's too much, I would rather keep it simple/keep the current concept on those parts!
04:29:742 (1,2,3) - 04:35:136 (1,2,3) - 04:40:529 (1,2,3) - same thing. Btw it's okay but looks unconsistent for ur spacing in this part I fixed a bit of the inconsistent spacing by a bit.
05:22:664 (1) - not the best way to put sliderend on that strong tick. It's ok since i showed it by changing the SV to something higher, and the start of the slider is also a strong kick so yeah.
05:37:664 (2) - stack break a bit Fixed!
05:50:641 (1) - same as told i abt sliderarts I know I'm bad at sliderarts.... These are fine xD
06:14:911 (1,2,3) - 06:20:304 (1,2,3) - 06:25:697 (1,2,3) - 06:31:091 (1,2,3) - 06:36:484 (1,2,3) - 06:41:877 (1,2,3) - 06:47:271 (1,2,3) - 06:52:664 (1,2,3) - u know :D Yes I do, and you know the answer xD
05:57:888 (2,3) - guess this spacing unnecessary big It seems fine to me.


Amazing sb! Cant wait it will be ranked thanks!
Thanks for the mod!
Mir
hello hello im here!

[Lactose Marathon]
- 00:32:608 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - 7 stands out quite a bit from here since it doesn't fit into the pattern so maybe bring it closer like this https://i.imgur.com/JwSOffB.png it still gets emphasis through spacing so yeah
- 01:32:102 (3,5) - nazi but can you tilt these the same as 01:33:113 (1,3,4) - the slight difference is kinda bothering me lol
- 01:35:136 (3,4) - I feel like doing this https://i.imgur.com/wkf4UoL.png would look nicer or at least polish it to be the same level as 03:00:754 (1,2,3,4) -
- 03:58:900 (4) - The last one of these was completely red anchors so maybe remove the grey anchor in this one?
- 04:29:911 - 1/4 slider since there is still melody on 04:29:995 - ? Was also done for 04:35:304 -
- 05:33:113 (1) - Looks kinda lopsided, try https://i.imgur.com/zCvGVY4.png ?
[ ]

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Topic Starter
-Tochi

Mir wrote:

hello hello im here!

[Lactose Marathon]
- 00:32:608 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - 7 stands out quite a bit from here since it doesn't fit into the pattern so maybe bring it closer like this https://i.imgur.com/JwSOffB.png it still gets emphasis through spacing so yeah Fixed!
- 01:32:102 (3,5) - nazi but can you tilt these the same as 01:33:113 (1,3,4) - the slight difference is kinda bothering me lol Fixed!
- 01:35:136 (3,4) - I feel like doing this https://i.imgur.com/wkf4UoL.png would look nicer or at least polish it to be the same level as 03:00:754 (1,2,3,4) - Fixed!
- 03:58:900 (4) - The last one of these was completely red anchors so maybe remove the grey anchor in this one? Fixed!
- 04:29:911 - 1/4 slider since there is still melody on 04:29:995 - ? Was also done for 04:35:304 - Fixed!
- 05:33:113 (1) - Looks kinda lopsided, try https://i.imgur.com/zCvGVY4.png ? That was purely intentional, because the straight part of it makes the flow visually better.
[ ]

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Btw, can you recheck the part at 06:14:237 - and see if it looks good? I redid it, so ye! https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9074973
Thanks for the mod!!
Mir
Reminds me of that one song about milk..

Metadata: http://cosmic.surpara.com/1204_asb.html, https://puu.sh/xy4ud/3b897ee67e.jpg, https://puu.sh/xy4x8/b320e4984a.log

Catlogs:
SPOILER
19:46 -Tochi: hey, i replied to your mod p/6247284
19:46 -Tochi: thanks man!
19:48 Mir: part looks fine to me
19:48 -Tochi: alright cool
19:49 Mir: i dont think i noticed any missing hitsounds
19:49 Mir: but if you want to check again you can
19:49 -Tochi: yeah, i checked twice already
19:49 -Tochi: i found some in the wub parts, but fixed
19:49 Mir: do you have a source for the metadata then
19:50 -Tochi: yeah, let me find it real quick
19:51 -Tochi: http://vocadb.net/Al/1959
19:52 -Tochi: http://puu.sh/xy46W/bfefde5ba5.png
19:52 -Tochi: 3. track
19:52 Mir: mm preferably i'd need a more official source than this
19:53 Mir: luckily it links some
19:53 Mir: http://cosmic.surpara.com/1204_asb.html
19:53 Mir: should have this instead
19:53 -Tochi: are you able to read japanese
19:54 Mir: i wish, all i saw was https://i.imgur.com/1RR9tJo.png
19:54 -Tochi: yeah me too
19:55 -Tochi: i had the album on my pc with the Disc images where the song is listed
19:55 -Tochi: i can dl it again, and show you if you want
19:56 Mir: the images yes
19:56 Mir: provided it has title + artist
20:00 -Tochi: alright, here is it
20:00 -Tochi: http://puu.sh/xy4ud/3b897ee67e.jpg
20:01 Mir: so where is the ft. Aoki Lapis
20:01 -Tochi: take a look on this
20:01 -Tochi: http://puu.sh/xy4x8/b320e4984a.log
20:01 -Tochi: Electro.muster & WOM feat. 蒼姫ラピス - A Sugar Business
20:02 -Tochi: wow, i need to change it to that
20:02 Mir: there you go lol
20:02 -Tochi: xD
20:02 Mir: i was wondering if that was really the title but i think that's more accurate
20:02 Mir: it says on all the other sources too so
20:04 -Tochi: yeah, let me updaye
20:04 -Tochi: update*
20:04 -Tochi: http://puu.sh/xy4Gt/e6897ef8e8.jpg
20:05 -Tochi: should be like this right?
20:05 Mir: that looks about right
20:05 Mir: well if it becomes a problem dq+rq is always an option
20:05 Mir: it's just metadata haHAA
20:05 Mir: i hate it when songs have such complicated metadata e.e
20:06 -Tochi: same, especially old electronic songs like this
20:07 -Tochi: should be updated now
20:08 Mir: delete the .osb of the old artist
20:08 Mir: then it should be ok
20:09 Mir: i trust naxess checked all the sb stuff cuz im lazy for that lol
20:11 -Tochi: alright
20:11 -Tochi: sec
20:12 -Tochi: well there isn't much into the sb part to check anyways lol
20:12 Mir: looking at your letters can't you crop those more
20:12 Mir: especially stuff like https://i.imgur.com/ssISVYp.png
20:13 Mir: lots of space that's unused
20:13 -Tochi: ah, that's Exile-'s files
20:13 -Tochi: I remember i poked him about it
20:13 -Tochi: he told me to just do whatever lol
20:14 -Tochi: by letters, do you mean the SB Collab letters
20:14 -Tochi: or the ones at the start 00:41:990 -
20:17 -Tochi: ok fixed everything to that
20:17 -Tochi: http://puu.sh/xy5eo/b6e842f04e.jpg
20:18 -Tochi: and some other files too, that needed cropping
20:18 Mir: kk
20:19 -Tochi: updating now, but need to reconnect real quick
20:39 -Tochi: did Naxess say anything?
20:42 Mir: uhhh
20:42 *-Tochi is away: brb toilet
20:42 Mir: https://i.imgur.com/LyMG5ve.png
20:46 -Tochi: eh, did he redownload the map?
20:47 -Tochi: im pretty sure i fixed all that
20:48 -Tochi: also, s.png is transparent in the sb but not the file itself http://puu.sh/xy6xZ/6bee3e536f.gif
20:48 Mir: o ok
20:52 -Tochi: if he sees that square.png has tiny transparency, it's because Exile didn't use the Fade effect on them in the sb here 03:31:850 -
20:53 Mir: naxess says sb elements seem fine now
20:53 -Tochi: ah ok, cool!
20:53 Mir: nothing broke yes?
20:53 -Tochi: nope
20:53 Mir: cool
20:53 Mir: well prepare for bubble
20:53 -Tochi: alright
20:54 Mir: the letters
20:54 Mir: hmm
20:54 Mir: the X in exile looks a bit off
20:54 Mir: 03:11:540 - around here mostly
20:54 Mir: idk if that's ok
20:55 -Tochi: what do you mean by off xd
20:55 Mir: nothing im dumb
20:55 Mir: can you add 1 layer border transparency around square.png
20:55 -Tochi: LOL oki
20:56 Mir: it has aliasing at 03:24:025 -
20:56 -Tochi: yes
20:56 Mir: apparently
20:56 -Tochi: ahhhh
20:56 -Tochi: didn't notice
20:56 -Tochi: is 2 pixels fine?
20:56 Mir: should be fine
20:56 Mir: wait uhh
20:57 Mir: i mean yeah but
20:57 Mir: you can do 1px if you want
20:57 -Tochi: okok
20:59 -Tochi: ok updated
20:59 -Tochi: the aliasing isn't there anymore
21:00 Mir: kk
21:00 Mir: time to redl for the 5th time
21:00 -Tochi: holy
21:00 -Tochi: LOL
21:03 -Tochi: wait
21:03 -Tochi: i noticed one thing
21:04 -Tochi: the tags, i should replace "Electro.muster" with "Taishi"
21:05 Mir: ok fix it
21:05 Mir: tell me when you're ready
21:05 -Tochi: oki
21:14 -Tochi: ready soon
21:20 -Tochi: ok im ready
21:20 -Tochi: i changed tags and the credits in the start 00:25:487 -
21:20 Mir: so i have to redl again
21:21 Mir: re
21:21 -Tochi: sadly yes
21:21 Mir: sbs are fun things
21:21 -Tochi: so true
21:22 Mir: ok
21:22 Mir: lets do this

Let's go. Bubbled!
Topic Starter
-Tochi
Thanks for the bubble Mir!
salchow
SIXTYNITHESU :^ )
Naxess
21:21 Mir: sbs are fun things
Shmiklak
Grats
Linada
gratz tochi :D
Gloria Guard
nic

t o c h i

'w'/
Kyouren
Congratulations! <3
Topic Starter
-Tochi
thanks everyone, and for those who supported me!
Dreamtwolf
Glad to see you back!

Holy... that SB
IamKwaN
why would you use something like https://puu.sh/xy4x8/b320e4984a.log to confirm metadata? isn't it something you can manually edit?

also,
> Filename D:\Музыка\VOCALOID\Electro.muster & WOM feat. 蒼姫ラピス - A Sugar Business\Electro.muster & WOM - A Sugar Business.wav

i strongly believe Electro.muster & WOM feat. 蒼姫ラピス - A Sugar Business is for the album, not the specific song
Topic Starter
-Tochi
The log file was included in the album, so it has to be Taishi/Electro.muster who made it. Also the log file were the best source I found to get the metadata as the other sources doesn't give much info about the actual song metadata

And for the > Filename D:\Музыка\VOCALOID\Electro.muster & WOM feat. 蒼姫ラピス - A Sugar Business\Electro.muster & WOM - A Sugar Business.wav

I think the part after "VOCALOID" is the song metadata, and the next part after the \ is the album name, or perhaps it's the opposite (?)
But yeah, I think this is a tricky one...
IamKwaN
well i guess i better leave it because i could find nothing more convincing but i do recommend using Electro.muster(Taishi)&WOM as artist as it's stated in http://cosmic.surpara.com/1204_asb.html

> アーティスト:Electro.muster(Taishi)&WOM
Topic Starter
-Tochi
I wonder which artist name is the most convincing, but I choose Electro.muster & WOM feat. Aoki Lapis because it seems more promising considering that the vocaloid is the feature and taishi is basically Electro.muster and the other producer is WOM :?: :!:
Lasse
https://puu.sh/xDwxK/210b652bcd.jpg
this should help clear things up?
scans of the booklet
IamKwaN
based on booklet artist would be solely 蒼姫ラピ because we prioritize vocalist if it's a song with lyrics

but in this case 蒼姫ラピ is vocaloid so we should normally only put composer to the artist

adding feat. only applies when it's stated somewhere officially
Topic Starter
-Tochi
So it should just be Electro.muster - A sugar business only?
IamKwaN
its best case, i think

but since you provide me the log file, i don't want to argue much
Topic Starter
-Tochi
The question now is; is it necessary to change/is the current metadata good for rank?
My answer is yes, but let's hear yours.
IamKwaN
just leave it
Topic Starter
-Tochi
alright
J1NX1337
Took you long enough :)

Grats!
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