DustMoon wrote:

I'm noob modder
d=Don
D=Big Don
k=Katsu
K=Big Katsu

URAURAURA

00:21:523 (125,126,127,128,129,130,131) - dkkdkkd ,ah00:21:523 (125) - 00:21:925 (128) - 00:22:327 (131) - are big sound you're right

00:31:434 (215) - d

00:45:497 (302,303) - Ctrl+g

00:49:648 (319) - same00:50:184 (322) - sound,plz use same kathmmm

01:01:434 (444) - d

01:16:635 (555) - d
01:29:492 (684) - k

01:57:952 (894) - Don,happy end no cuz I'm folling the clock

1. 00:04:850 (16,17) - I found out that these two should be 1/8 shifted back. On 25% speed it fits really well, so consider it changing.
2. 00:15:430 - To keep the notes equal stanza by stanza (except the first one due to the keyboard), add a note here (suggestion, kat), 00:17:305 - here (kat)
   , 00:17:037 (84) - change this to don in order to represent the keyboard shift change.
3. 00:19:916 (110,111,112,113) - I liked K d d K much more, rather than this. The KAT finishers represent the drum hit way better.
4. 00:48:979 (299,303) - Those two are overmapped unneccessarily, and I don't see a reason to put those notes there. The section goes 1/2 notes only, and that's not a good spot for variation.
5. 01:10:139 (480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492) - About this, how about 01:10:139 (480) - turning this to a don, 01:10:273 (481,482,483,484,485) - kdkkd, 01:10:675 (486,487,488,489) - ddk d, 01:11:077 (490,491,492) - kkk ? Will follow everything better in my opinion.
6. 01:29:626 - Add a don here in order to emphasize the drum sound. (Trill sound, I mean.)
7. 01:32:773 (667) - Kat, due to keyboard pitch.
8. 01:37:327 (686,687) - Ctrl + g on those, same reason as above.
9. 01:38:131 (689) - Kat, same reason.
10. 01:40:006 - 01:40:809 - 01:41:613 - Also, turn these to kats in order to represent the keyboard better.

1. 00:26:345 (131) - While Ura Oni doesn't have finishers after streams, I think the Inner should not have them as well.
2. 00:01:032 (3,4) - Same pitch, same pattern? Would flow better.
3. 00:19:715 - Add a don here to keep intensity with the previous pattern.
4. 00:29:827 - Hmm, I don't know if it matches the structure. Even if the keyboard supports this kind of pattern, I think simplifying it would be better, since on Ura Oni it's simpler.
5. 00:38:465 (203) - Delete this note and 00:38:532 (204) - change this to don to make it more simple, because the usage of 1/6 kkkd on Inner Oni is a bit hard in my opinion. Also, it will match with Oni, which is better than this.
6. 01:01:300 - I think you should delete this note in order to provide some difficulty spread with Ura Oni.
7. 01:04:648 (360,361) - What those finishers represent? Simple kats would work better on them.
8. 01:07:863 (375,376,377,378) - This can be changed to kkd 1/4, the trill sound is not that prominent compared to others.
9. 01:14:291 - ^
10. 01:17:238 - ^
11. 01:30:095 - ^
12. 01:34:827 (545) - This should be snapped on 1/3, like Ura Oni.

1. 00:13:488 - Some of the patterns are easier on Inner Oni. Always try to keep the spread between them.
2. 00:14:559 (57,58,59,60,61) - Keep the structure you're following, no need to a 5-plet there.
3. 00:21:925 (105,106) - Reverse those to match with Ura Oni. This applies on 00:34:782 (182,183) - those two as well.
4. 00:30:028 (158) - Delete this one to keep the structure.
5. 00:45:095 - Delete this one to emphasize the next triplet.
6. 00:57:818 (298,299) - Swap those to provide a simpler rhythm.
7. 00:58:488 - From here, I think ddd kkd k suit better. It will also match the next structure.
8. 01:01:099 (323) - Deleting this will provide the same break that declared on Ayyri's Inner Oni and Ura Oni.
9. 01:11:881 (378,379) - Suggestion: Turn them into kats to define the pitch change on keyboard.
10. 01:15:229 (395,396,397) - Instead of kkd, how about dk starting from the blue tick? Will emphasize better to keyboard.
11. 01:20:318 (432) - Delete this note to provide the structure you've created.
12. 01:27:416 (476,477) - This break is too much, add a note on to the middle. Suggestion: don.
13. 01:28:756 (484) - Kat to emphasize the keyboard. It will also fit with Ura Oni.
14. 01:46:613 (568) - I think this should be changed to don, to create a simpler pattern.
15. 01:54:470 (615,616,617,618) - k ddk to unify them with Ura Oni.

1. 00:49:113 (187,190) - Delete those to make a difference between Oni and this.
2. 01:21:657 - Keep the rhythm you're following. A triplet is too much there, since there are 2 keyboard notes. Just map it as 1/2 and since it's kiai, you cna add a note on 01:21:256 - this spot. Or, you can map them as a 1/4 doublet, like kk.
3. 01:24:939 - ^
4. 01:54:738 (472) - Kat to unify them with Oni, Inner Oni and Ura Oni. This may apply to all lower diffs.

1. 00:00:764 (1) - That was a weird start. For the sake of structure, move that to white tick.
2. 00:45:631 (108,110) - Same pitches, they should be same. I recommend keeping them as kats.
3. 00:48:041 (114) - ^
4. 00:49:381 (117,118) - Ctrl + g for the sake of keyboard.
5. 01:16:166 (189,190) - Considering how intense this part on Muzukashii, add some notes (mainly 1/1) to keep the difficulty spread.
6. 01:50:452 - Starting from here, vary this part. 2-plets are going too much, especially d k and k d would be boring after a while.

1. 00:13:488 - Make this part harder, to create a variation with intro, and to create a better build up to 00:19:916 - this part.
2. 00:21:925 (16) - Even though it's obvious enough, I think you should remove this. 3/2 rhythm on Kantan would be confusing on this tempo.
3. 00:38:666 (37) - On this tempo, I think you're not supposed to use a complex 1/1 pattern like k k d K, instead, delete this note and it will also provide a better kiai-ending.

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hello there.

[General]

01:30:631 - Decrease the volume after the note, like on that spot. Check everywhere on this, I don't want to point out on every diff.

[Ura Oni]

1. 00:04:850 (16,17) - I found out that these two should be 1/8 shifted back. On 25% speed it fits really well, so consider it changing.
2. 00:15:430 - To keep the notes equal stanza by stanza (except the first one due to the keyboard), add a note here (suggestion, kat), 00:17:305 - here (kat)
   , 00:17:037 (84) - change this to don in order to represent the keyboard shift change.
3. 00:19:916 (110,111,112,113) - I liked K d d K much more, rather than this. The KAT finishers represent the drum hit way better.
4. 00:48:979 (299,303) - Those two are overmapped unneccessarily, and I don't see a reason to put those notes there. The section goes 1/2 notes only, and that's not a good spot for variation.
5. 01:10:139 (480,481,482,483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491,492) - About this, how about 01:10:139 (480) - turning this to a don, 01:10:273 (481,482,483,484,485) - kdkkd, 01:10:675 (486,487,488,489) - ddk d, 01:11:077 (490,491,492) - kkk ? Will follow everything better in my opinion.
6. 01:29:626 - Add a don here in order to emphasize the drum sound. (Trill sound, I mean.)
7. 01:32:773 (667) - Kat, due to keyboard pitch.
8. 01:37:327 (686,687) - Ctrl + g on those, same reason as above.
9. 01:38:131 (689) - Kat, same reason.
10. 01:40:006 - 01:40:809 - 01:41:613 - Also, turn these to kats in order to represent the keyboard better.

[Oni]

1. 00:13:488 - Some of the patterns are easier on Inner Oni. Always try to keep the spread between them.
2. 00:14:559 (57,58,59,60,61) - Keep the structure you're following, no need to a 5-plet there.
3. 00:21:925 (105,106) - Reverse those to match with Ura Oni. This applies on 00:34:782 (182,183) - those two as well.
4. 00:30:028 (158) - Delete this one to keep the structure.
5. 00:45:095 - Delete this one to emphasize the next triplet.
6. 00:57:818 (298,299) - Swap those to provide a simpler rhythm.
7. 00:58:488 - From here, I think ddd kkd k suit better. It will also match the next structure.
8. 01:01:099 (323) - Deleting this will provide the same break that declared on Ayyri's Inner Oni and Ura Oni.
9. 01:11:881 (378,379) - Suggestion: Turn them into kats to define the pitch change on keyboard.
10. 01:15:229 (395,396,397) - Instead of kkd, how about dk starting from the blue tick? Will emphasize better to keyboard.
11. 01:20:318 (432) - Delete this note to provide the structure you've created.
12. 01:27:416 (476,477) - This break is too much, add a note on to the middle. Suggestion: don.
13. 01:28:756 (484) - Kat to emphasize the keyboard. It will also fit with Ura Oni.
14. 01:46:613 (568) - I think this should be changed to don, to create a simpler pattern.
15. 01:54:470 (615,616,617,618) - k ddk to unify them with Ura Oni.

[Muzukashii]

1. 00:49:113 (187,190) - Delete those to make a difference between Oni and this.
2. 01:21:657 - Keep the rhythm you're following. A triplet is too much there, since there are 2 keyboard notes. Just map it as 1/2 and since it's kiai, you cna add a note on 01:21:256 - this spot. Or, you can map them as a 1/4 doublet, like kk.
3. 01:24:939 - ^
4. 01:54:738 (472) - Kat to unify them with Oni, Inner Oni and Ura Oni. This may apply to all lower diffs.

General suggestion: Recheck the finisher usages. If you mapped it as DON on a diff, make sure you change it to here.

[Futsuu]

1. 00:00:764 (1) - That was a weird start. For the sake of structure, move that to white tick.
2. 00:45:631 (108,110) - Same pitches, they should be same. I recommend keeping them as kats.
3. 00:48:041 (114) - ^
4. 00:49:381 (117,118) - Ctrl + g for the sake of keyboard.
5. 01:16:166 (189,190) - Considering how intense this part on Muzukashii, add some notes (mainly 1/1) to keep the difficulty spread.
6. 01:50:452 - Starting from here, vary this part. 2-plets are going too much, especially d k and k d would be boring after a while.

[Kantan]

1. 00:13:488 - Make this part harder, to create a variation with intro, and to create a better build up to 00:19:916 - this part.
2. 00:21:925 (16) - Even though it's obvious enough, I think you should remove this. 3/2 rhythm on Kantan would be confusing on this tempo.
3. 00:38:666 (37) - On this tempo, I think you're not supposed to use a complex 1/1 pattern like k k d K, instead, delete this note and it will also provide a better kiai-ending.

Before I go on this further, I think you should get more mods on this. Call me back when you get 3 more. oke doke

Axer wrote:

Muzukashii

01:15:296 - there's no noise here there is a noise but it's too faint to notice, instead move it to 01:15:564 -
http://puu.sh/xJ11n/cc4ae0a00d.png
to
http://puu.sh/xJ11S/eb6e83e21c.png
01:34:827 - there are a bunch of doubles already on the map so one double here wouldn't hurt and it fits

Oni

01:34:827 (508) - move to 01:34:833 -

That's about it, Ura Oni is a masterpiece, the song is lit and everything is great.
Don't know why this isn't ranked yet, it's hq.
Good luck either way!

Zetera wrote:

Heyo, M4M. (Street - Hacking Code)

Gosh, this is hard to mod, there is barely anything I would like to suggest!

[General]

Your OD/HP gaps look a little bit inconsistent, why not use some decimals? This is absolutely optional, though. i need think about it ewe

[Kantan]

This is a personal preference, but I feel like 00:51:256 (48) - just screams for a K instead of a k.

[Futsuu]

I feel like starting with SVs in the Muzu is a great setup. Are you sure about using SV in this diff? I thought the doubles at 00:39:738 - may be very hard to read.
01:26:881 - I bet this got removed because of a mod. I think putting a k here too doesn't add too much intensity and it follows the music just right.
[Muzukashii]

00:51:256 - might as well be a triplet, because that's what you did at 01:42:684 - , and these two patterns are consistent in your oni diff.

01:53:131 - I don't know whether this is intentional, but I feel like it's horrible to read. I'd just stick with x1.00!

[Oni]

From this point on, there is a pattern that concerns me personally quite a bit. I am a kkdd player, and thinking back to my days of training, patterns like 00:51:256 - really killed me. Especially on this speed, kkk k k k k is extremely hard to hit. However, I see this as an opportunity to include a hard, practisable element into a ranked map, which is why I think it should be included in this particular diff as it is. There is more of a problem with that in the Inner Oni though.

You could nerf that pattern a little bit by reducing the muzukashii pattern to k k k k k k D and using kkk k k D in the Oni, but you don't necessarily have to.

[Inner Oni]

You might want to use the volume settings that were used in the Ura Oni or the Oni.

00:51:256 - This pattern is straight up harder in the Inner than in the Ura. It is hard to estimate when to stop hitting ks, and before you even notice it, you have either gone out of stamina or hit the K at the end way too early. The Ura Oni has the advantage of using a d at the end of the stream, making it a little bit easier to control. This stream right here, however, doesn't only avoid stopping with a d, but also follows upo with a K finisher. That's detrimental for kkdd players and possibly even improving kddk players; not to mention that the next few patterns are solely ks. I feel like the stream would benefit from going away from the monos and towards using a little bit more complexity, e.g. kkkkddddkkk D.

Another very hard pattern is 00:38:398 -. The fast singletapping speed of the ks is the most pungent factor that makes the switch to tapping the 1/6 patterns very difficult. How about this for a change? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9187036




That's it. I can't mod the Ura, I think it's optimal. Good luck! TY

TKS wrote:

Hi, i will almost leave out the suggestion of color changing.

[diffspread]

• 
  let me point out some spread thing as below.

1. 00:00:631 - ~ 00:13:488 - between Kantan to Futsuu has relatively good spread, but Futsuu to Muzukashii seems not good to be honest. you should remove some notes of Muzukashii to make more better spread. (also you can notice that your diffs are lacking the consistency like 00:00:631 (1) - only has don in Futsuu. )
   
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2. 00:13:488 - ~ 00:19:916 - in Futsuu, i dont know the reason why you are following too complex rhythms there. i think that this part is almost harder than Muzukashii.
3. 00:51:322 (193) - in Muzukashii or Oni, there is no reason to have the same pattern. nerf Muzukashii or just add notes for Oni (eg. kkk kkk k k d).
   
   although there is no big diffspread problem as far as i can see, the mapset still has room for improvement.
   
   [Kantan]
   1. 00:13:488 - ~00:18:309 - twins are quite hard for Kantan. also 00:26:345 - ~ 00:31:166 - has enough breaks even though the part has more strong melody than the previous part.
   2. 00:15:898 (14) - should be removed finisher. just see Futsuu ~ Oni.
   [Futsuu]
   1. 00:38:800 (92) - absolutely no needed.
   2. 00:44:827 (105) - make break here. this is actually calm part that needs enough break.
   3. 00:47:238 (109) - why you suddenly stop to follow tick sound. main melody also has high pitched.
   4. 00:57:416 (134) - remove. a bit hard rhythm for Futsuu.
   5. 01:30:229 (230) - sounds weird. the same as 00:38:800 -
   6. 01:36:256 (239) - remove. the same reason as 00:44:827 -
   [Muzukashii]
   1. 01:23:264 (338) - should be moved to 01:23:331 - . you did it in calm part 01:34:849 -
   [Oni]
   1. 01:34:849 - easier than Muzukashii...
   [Ura Oni]
   1. 00:04:883 (16) - snap to 1/4 correctly. 1/8 makes really no sense.
   2. 01:34:827 (676) - snap to 1/4 correctly. 1/3 makes really no sense.

you are really wondering about the diffspread but there is no serious problem. if i had to say, i think that you are lacking of respecting song. therefore, some part has really imbalanced pattern, lacks the consistency, and ruins quality of the set. i dont mean this is a bad map but the set needs more mod tbh.

good luck anyway.

Surono wrote:

really, bub

Shinsekai- wrote:

Surono wrote:

really, bub

I want to have my dreams on that bub... you can help me to bring my Heart back? and stop dreaming about " Yes, I have a heart now... I can statr to love people and give some of my heart to all" ?

Vulkin wrote:

you mean this fam?

Surono wrote:

its time

what the difference diffnaming of Inner and Ura, dem engrish jaban haha.

>Ura Oni
* 00:23:398 - yow pay attention more with the actual rhythm, the current patterns sounds random at emphasis
so this is the suggestion: 00:22:863 - k d K d ddk d kkd d k d k ddk you're following the melody and I'm following the drum but i'll try this one xd cuz fit with the melody hehe
* 00:28:756 - kat to keep consistent to follow with 00:29:023 - 00:29:291 - these kat example
* 00:29:693 - quick suggestion from here, ddk d kkd k ddk ddk k d
* if you applied with above suggestion, 00:30:296 - you might add here don since the strains flow is long
* 00:36:122 - https://puu.sh/y6IT5/a4d85e661e.jpg and dont forget 00:37:595 - finish it for consistency with 00:36:791 -
* 00:55:006 - 00:55:809 - 00:56:613 - wanna give them variation? yes kdddk and dkkkd would be good, every 5plet Ive pointed out e.g 00:55:006 - 1st notes with 00:55:273 - with 5th notes are similar. so yeah why not
* 00:58:488 - kdddkkddkkddkdddkkdd(kkkd) yeah, 00:58:756 - 00:59:023 - high pitch so yeah 2 kats, the rest are just 1 kat 00:58:488 - 00:59:291 - . Actually i'm following the clock and the melody qwith k kk k k kk but if i put one can be nice too right?
* 01:00:095 - kkddkdddkkkk(dddd) 01:00:631 - high pitch then turning 01:00:898 - low pitch OvO dem sir ty XD fixed
* 01:01:501 - keep don or change kat? kat... I put that like a d cuz is better for the next (dddk) is more ez to get
* 01:08:599 - move to 01:08:867 - here and change kat for high pitch, 01:09:135 - swap with 01:09:202 - this since 01:09:202 - its loud drum.
* 01:09:939 - I dont think it should be kat cuz too overemphasized, dkk 01:08:800 - is gud in here ye
* 01:15:095 - high drum so yeah kat
* 01:21:657 - k dkkkd -> dkkkd k , do ctrl g I changed this 01:21:256 (572,573,574) - into k d k and cut the stream dkkkd to dkk d is most comfortable and the other triple kkd to a ddk follows the piano as well
* 01:22:193 - ddk d kkd k d kdkkd, 01:23:131 - why in here changed as kat? for consistency 01:10:273 -
* 01:24:336 - d k ddk dkk
* 01:25:273 - kdkkd seems overemphasized, kdddk enough in here
* 01:43:488 - looks nice now haha, alternating playable seems good but Im nub :^) * unless I HT it lo
* 01:49:113 - lol feels2015map , inb4 TKS and Firce intensifies from here : P
and now, consindering this diff cuz I felt its really important for your quality of this diff. most of overall it had many patterns were randomly adjusted, so yeah sorry if it looks nazi suggestion but well up to you, I could rebub this if you applied/agreed with these points or just well let see I still dont think it should bubbled with the current circumstances of this diff. yeah pop'd for this purpose heh I Feel too... Some times i see the lowers diff and I ask to myself if is this good for get that... And then some friends tell me YES DO IT and is likes :S

>Muzukashii
* 01:02:372 - 01:03:175 - add don here to balance with futsuu
* 01:23:331 - please make it simpler, dd so 01:18:510 - that kk not lonely :3 :o ok weird but ok

>Futsuu
adding notes suggestion sometimes on purposes to avoid far density with low diff and close with mid diff, yeah balancing the spread density
* 00:19:514 - add don here to make consistency with 00:19:113 - this drum
* 00:22:863 - delete, its close with muzu density and need a break here
* 00:23:800 - delete, seems hard and a bit close with muzu. i think you had better just 00:23:532 - follow this drum so yeh.
* 00:36:657 - same above, let give it a mini break
* 01:03:175 - so on muzukashii its d k but on futsuu its ddk? rip *yeah if you already check muzu, you dont need to do smth in here
* too dense zzz, 01:33:309 01:33:309 - 01:33:577 - delete these, 01:35:988 - move to 01:34:916 -, 01:39:738 - move to 01:42:148 - here and change kat for better structures and purpose at emphasizing

>Kantan
total combo 129 then futsuu has 306, well I guess its simple kantan.
* 00:00:631 - ~ 00:11:613 - quiet part and unbalance with futsuu density, 00:03:041 - kat and 00:07:863 - don , https://puu.sh/y6Lxa/15bb820db8.png yeah rip
* 00:19:648 - add don here, 00:22:327 - delete as the break instead of 00:23:934 - here and in here make it as dd 1/1
* 00:26:345 - kat finish, it looks monocolors from 00:23:934 - here
* 00:52:059 - seems monocolors from here, I have an inovation here. 00:53:666 - 00:55:273 - 00:56:881 - you can add these with finish to make a better gameplay than with the normal notes that looks dull
* 01:06:256 - add don, seems too quiet
* 01:12:952 - high impact, you could finish it
* 01:15:363 - don and 01:16:166 - kat
* 01:27:416 - finish and 01:28:756 - add don
ok but somehow I felt this kantan looks a bit concerned for me since the total notes of kantan is yeah overall snapping and density yeah.... I know its hard to map this level diff on this song but yeah try to find references that has good concept. from me i would suggest you to make few 2plet 1/1 and give it a mini rest just like 00:28:220 - ~ 00:31:702 - this part, well dont doing smth that would break this diff and idk what to do with this. but for now try to make total notes of kantan at least reach 140~150 by checking the density of futsuu.. yeah try to balance with that diff since the futsuu has alot 2plets and some 5plet zzzzz and kantan just simple 1/1 and some huge breaks that feels awkward imo.. pls becareful when trying to buff this diff.. i mean yeah just " a little " if you feel theres awkward breaks or quite part. I'll try

I will rebub this if you fix your highest diff with improved points and especially the kantan, idk about kantan but I want you recheck the balance of density with futsuu.

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Here is a brief check for the spread between Kantan and Futsuu as requested in-game.

IRC mod with Shinsekai-, Nov 1, 2017

12:56 Shinsekai-: Hello Nardo
13:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: hi
13:30 Shinsekai-: Nardo... Are you too busy? only for check one thing xd
13:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: what thing?
13:31 Shinsekai-: one map only the difference between Kantan and Futsuu xd
13:33 Shinsekai-: can you?
13:34 Nardoxyribonucleic: Having a look is okay as I do not have the time to mod
13:34 Shinsekai-: just a look xd
13:34 *Shinsekai- is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/961414 Morimori Atsushi - Applique]
13:40 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/961415 Morimori Atsushi - Applique [Kantan]]
13:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: It would be better to add d here for a better spread with Futsuu
13:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:43:756 -
13:41 Shinsekai-: oh ok
13:42 Shinsekai-: and if i add these 00:48:577 (64) -
13:42 Shinsekai-: 00:49:648 (66) -
13:42 Shinsekai-: 00:50:184 (67) -
13:42 Shinsekai-: will be ok?
13:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: Don't do that first
13:43 Shinsekai-: kay
13:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:46:970 (62) - remove and add k at 00:47:773 - and 00:48:041 - ?
13:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: This could cohere with the structure of Futsuu in this part
13:46 Shinsekai-: that? fixed already
13:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: Please reply if you fix that. Otherwise I don't know whether you agree with it or not
13:47 Shinsekai-: sorry
13:47 Shinsekai-: i was searching Water xd
13:48 Shinsekai-: :S i'm sick and i need take my medicine ;;
13:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:15:898 - add k ? Futsuu has a lot of 1/1 so it would be better to use some in Kantan
13:52 Shinsekai-: Oki doke
13:53 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:10:273 - 01:10:541 - add k and d respectively, same as ^
13:54 Shinsekai-: oki
13:54 Shinsekai-: following the pattern i guess
13:54 Shinsekai-: Done
13:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:25:006 - 01:25:541 - add d?
13:57 Shinsekai-: both?
13:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes
13:57 Shinsekai-: done
14:04 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:52:059 - again, you may add d here
14:04 Shinsekai-: done
14:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that is all for now about the spread between Kantan and Futsuu
14:05 Shinsekai-: then is good for now
14:05 Shinsekai-: "good"
14:06 Shinsekai-: Ty Nardo :3
14:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: It could still be improved as I only suggested the most crucial changes

Good luck~

gaston_2199 wrote:

Hi
NM from PM ~
Perdón chamo si antes te dije que iba a modear, pero ya sabes que soy muy perezoso
Lo haré en Inglés para que Nardo y Surono puedan comprender

[ General]

1. Well, It still has some issues in the spreap between Kantan, Futsuu and Muzukashii. Don't worry since still could be fixed. Below I will leave some points about this

[ Kantan]

1. 00:14:827 (14,15) - It's set as kd in Futsuu. For logical and better gap, you need swap these notes
2. 00:17:506 (19) - Change to kat. It's the counterpart of 00:14:827 (14,15) - (If you accept the previous point). Also it will be consistent in the all mapset
3. 00:21:523 - Ok, it part is some inconsistent with Futsuu.
   Check it

   
   I think the gap is high.
   I suggest the following

   
   In Kantan remove 00:22:863 (25) - since Futsuu doesn't have it
   In Futsuu remove 00:21:925 (46) - since has almos the same pattern that Muzukashii and there aren't make difference between that two
4. 00:28:220 (34) - Move to 00:27:684 - to keep the consistency with Futsuu
5. 00:28:756 - Add don, since Futsuu has more than 3 notes 1/1 there
6. 00:29:291 (35,36) - Ctrl + G. The pitch and better gap with Futsuu are the reason about it
7. 00:35:988 (47) - Add finisher for crash cymbal
8. 00:36:791 (48) - Change to kat for high pitch
9. 00:40:006 - You need add a kat there, Futsuu have a dk there and the gap is big
10. 00:49:648 - Same case as avobe
11. 00:53:666 (70,72,74) - I'm not sure about the use of finishers, you can make some silimar to this pattern in 00:58:488 (75,76,77,78,79,80) -
    Well, since here I suggest add or move notes for improve the gap with Futsuu
12. 00:54:202 - Add a kat
13. 00:55:809 - Add kat
14. 01:05:720 - Add don
15. 01:06:256 (86) - Move to 01:05:720 -
16. 01:16:970 (101) - Add kat
17. 01:36:256 - 01:38:666 - And here, you need add more notes, the gap is really too high.
    
    In conclusion, this diff need a bit buff. I know you nerfed this, but with a little buff could be better with the gap in Futsuu

[ Futsuu]

1. 00:19:514 (42) - It's some streange. Try move to 00:19:648 -
2. 00:29:425 (64,71) - Thats triplets are intense for that part imo. I think would be better if you remove that notes. Also for a better spread with Kantan
3. 00:57:416 (129,130,131,132) - Kantan don't have notes there, maybe here you need remove some notes
4. 01:18:443 (186) - Remove
5. 01:19:381 (190) - Change to don for severe pitch
6. 01:26:077 (210,213) - Remove for gap with Kantan
7. 01:29:559 (220,221) - Ctrl + G
8. 01:42:148 (254) - Remove
   
   It's a good diff, only need remove some notes for keeping the consistency with Kantan

I'll leave the mod here cuz I'm too tired. Probably I follow it tomorrow.

Si tenés alguna duda sobre el mod, mándame un mensaje a discord y lo arreglaremos.
Good luck~

agu wrote:

futsuu:
01:36:925 - note seems kinda out of place for the rest of the map, it just seems kinda unecessary and random with the rest of the map
00:16:702 - I would change this to a d, you can change patterns around it to supplement the change but up to you
00:55:006 - d probably since the next note is different
01:00:898 - d pretty much same as above
01:15:898 - I think d fits better here again since the next k marks like a change in the pace of the song, if that makes sense

kantan:
00:13:488 - I'd consider changing this to a d because the k gets kinda repetitive at the start No because i'm following the clock sound and is consistent with other diffs
00:38:398 - this could be changed to a d to "amplify" the next kat
01:00:631 - I'd personally change this to d

the other diffs are probably fine

game rock wrote:

Ayudando a Chichi :3

23:02 game rock: hola c:
23:03 Shinsekai-: halo
23:18 Shinsekai-: oye gemu me puedes yaudar a inflar la Kantan?
23:19 game rock: de applique?
23:19 Shinsekai-: sipi
23:19 game rock: aumentarle la diff?
23:19 Shinsekai-: nope solo es spread
23:20 game rock: oh
23:20 Shinsekai-: es solo eso...
23:20 game rock: se podrian crear unos patrones medio caomplicados y ya xd
23:20 Shinsekai-: La kantan está muy debil
23:20 game rock: o agregar pocoas notas
23:20 Shinsekai-: pero no se donde :c
23:23 game rock: cuando necesitas subirle?
23:24 Shinsekai-: tbh nada en *
23:24 Shinsekai-: solo necesito notas
23:24 Shinsekai-: por que de Kantan a Futsuu esta muy vacia
23:24 Shinsekai-: :C
23:25 game rock: verga D:
23:26 game rock: puedes agregar tipo 01:48:577 (153,154,155) - 
23:27 Shinsekai-: ya estan ahi XD
23:27 game rock: yo veo mas que todo kd
23:27 game rock: dk
23:27 game rock: kk
23:27 game rock: yo veo que si k k k , d k k y eso
23:28 Shinsekai-: º necesita mas noas
23:35 game rock: puedes agregar notas en los kiais solamente
23:35 game rock: para agregar ese toque de intensidad
23:36 game rock: no se si quieras agregar una d 00:30:095 - y cambias a k 00:30:898 (36) - 
23:36 game rock: y mueves esta 00:31:702 (38) -  para...00:32:506 -
23:39 game rock: 00:36:523 - agrega k y d 00:37:059 - 
23:39 game rock: 00:38:398 (48) - cambia a k
23:40 Shinsekai-: listo
23:41 game rock: 01:18:309 - agrega d, mueve esta nota 01:19:113 (107) - a 01:18:845 -
23:42 game rock: y cambias esta a k 01:18:577 (106) - 
23:42 Shinsekai-: listo
23:43 game rock: 01:20:720 - agrega una d
23:44 game rock: 01:22:059 - agrega k y d 01:22:327 - 
23:44 Shinsekai-: listo XD lo pense
23:44 game rock: JAJAJAJA
23:44 Shinsekai-: listowo
23:44 game rock: oki
23:44 game rock: mmmm
23:45 game rock: 01:24:738 - agrega d,01:25:006 (116) -  cambia a k y  mueve esta nota01:25:541 (117) -  para aca   01:25:273 - 
23:46 Shinsekai-: yya
23:47 Shinsekai-: y-ya
23:47 game rock: 01:25:809 (118,119) - para esa parte si quieres quitas el finish en la 118 y agregas dos azules en las secciones blancas, sol ote digo XD
23:48 Shinsekai-: yap
23:51 game rock: 01:28:220- agrega red
23:51 game rock: 01:33:577 (127) - elimina, debes dejar que descansen un poco XD
23:52 game rock: 01:36:256 (131,132) - elmina supongo
23:52 game rock: y cambia 01:38:398 (135,136,137,138) -  a d d    k  k
23:54 game rock: 01:42:684 (144) -  ese sonido me cago XD
23:55 game rock: 01:50:720 - agrega red
23:57 Shinsekai-: listo
23:57 Shinsekai-: espero no se infle tanto
23:58 game rock: revisa XD
23:59 Shinsekai-: 1,83
00:00 Shinsekai-: esta bien
00:00 game rock: bueno :3 eso me alegra
00:01 Shinsekai-: si quieres postea
00:01 Shinsekai-: para darte los respectivos kds y eso
00:02 game rock: nah baka
00:02 game rock: solo quise ayudarte :3 lo subiré pero no me des kudos uwu  

Me das Kudos y tendremos problemas (?

Taikocracy wrote:

made sure to read all of the mods on the kantan and futsuu, but imo the spread still needs to be improved (i wonder if i noticed that when i bubbled it lmao)

00:26:345 (54) - this is one of the few places where i think the futsuu could use some more notes:



granted i see the push for maintaining constant 2/1 breaks, in the kiai imo it is simply not needed. the guidelines (timed in 180) say that they should be inserted after at least 16/1 or 20/1 constant playtime. imo, especially in the kiai for bpm 224, i think the guideline can be changed to 12/1 or 16/1 or if you don't like that, 8/1 or 12/1 of continuous playing. either selection will allow the futsuu to gain some more notes here and spread a little bit better with the muzu. there are constant beats and sounds going on the 1/1 ticks in this section as well, so i don't think this change should be very hard to accomplish.

a more major one imo is at 00:52:059 (115) -




i think the switch from 1/1 in the futsuu to extremely common 1/2 in the muzu doesn't spread very well at all, the densities are completely different and again like the section i mentioned beforehand, there are quite a few different layers of instrumentation to support more notes. the same thing i said about the break guidelines can applied to this section as well, just add some more notes where you feel necessary

the same thing can be said about the following times:





the first picture also has a few inconsistencies with the kantan's emphasis, don't see a need for that in this specific section (that's why i included the kantan as well)

but yes in general i think the futsuu and kantan are way too similar, and in those specific pictures that notes can be added to make the curve from futsuu to muzu just as big as it should be between kantan and futsuu

you can call me back after you consider all of this stuff

Taikocracy wrote:

ok

Volta wrote:

It looks much better than the last time i check it. Here's some follow up mod.

[Kantan]
00:08:666 - maybe change to d to highlight the distinct melody like at 00:03:845 - ?
00:11:077 - and change this to k, to alternate between k-k-k and k-d-k

00:23:131 - there is a totally important strong sound here, you can put K
00:25:541 - and remove this note instead for the break.

00:37:059 - move to 00:37:327 - fits with the melody better imo and consistent with your overall pattern
00:38:131 - you may add k here since the intensity is high in this part.
00:36:791 - and maybe change this to d for variation? fits with the drum too

00:50:452 - i think making this as D would give more impact after all those k before
00:59:827 - consider to add d for the noise? it helps the spread with futsuu as well
01:07:863 - same as ^
01:12:416 - move to 01:11:881 - ? fits melody better and consistent with 01:05:452 -

01:17:506 - move to 01:16:970 - ? i think the break is kinda unnatural (01:13:756 - the break here is enough) and this way follows the melody nicely
01:38:398 - , 01:38:934 - 1/1 triplet is too much for this calm section. remove please :c
01:40:809 - can be removed as well imo

[Futsuu]
00:16:970 - move to 00:17:773 - ? i think this way can fits the melody better and consistent with 01:34:916 -

00:56:747 - remove? i think too much 1/2 in this part is too hard for newer player
00:59:291 - maybe change to d, since the pitch is down here

01:25:541 - consider to add note for consistency with 01:19:113 -
01:40:006 - consider to remove, i think the dk doubles are too consecutive here, refer to 01:33:577 - as well

[Muzukashii]
00:13:086 - change SV multiplier to x0.925 , smoother and easier to read for intermediate player
00:13:354 - remove note or add SV multiplier with x0.975 value.

00:35:720 - maybe remove finisher for consistency with 00:22:863 -
00:36:523 - i think adding k here is nice to highlight the melody

01:34:849 - consider to change to d? i think 1/4 kd at this bpm for a muzukashii is kinda hard.
01:42:148 - changing this to d would accentuate the drum at 01:41:881 (412,414) - better imo

01:48:443 - move to 01:48:979 -
01:49:113 - , 01:49:381 - , 01:49:648 - and remove finishers, for consistency with other diffs

[Oni]
00:12:952 - change SV multiplier to x0.88 for smoother speed-up

00:25:006 - adding d here would make a nice build-up before the kiai imo
00:36:122 - move to 00:36:523 - for consistent structure with 00:37:327 - and give some rest after the finisher

01:03:041 (324,325) - maybe you misplaced the finisher? i think you should remove the finisher at 01:03:041 - , and put one at 01:03:309 - instead like other pattern in this session.
01:13:488 - suggesting to remove finisher here as well so it flows to next sequence better.


[Inner Oni]
01:16:702 - and 01:16:836 - consider to change to d, i think it's nice to be mirrored with 01:16:032 (520,521,522,523) - and can emphasis high pitched melody at 01:16:970 -
01:28:756 - maybe change this to d? it feels more dynamic rather than consecutive k imo


You may call me back after that :3

Surono wrote:

great efforts, go go
/me run