00:52 Kibbleru: ok
00:54 Kibbleru: alright
00:54 Kibbleru: where to begin
00:54 Kibbleru: first of all it seems to be lacking alot in the hitsounding department
00:54 Kibbleru: well not alot
00:54 Kibbleru: but why the hell is ur volume set so low
00:54 Kibbleru: kiai should at least be like 70%
00:54 Kibbleru: cuz i cant hear anything otherwise
00:55 vick: oh
00:55 vick: im really bad with hitsounds
00:55 vick: but yes, i always use low volumen
00:55 vick: i dont know why tbh
00:55 vick: i will change it now
00:55 Kibbleru: and change ur
00:55 Kibbleru: well idk
00:55 Kibbleru: just raise it LOL
00:55 Kibbleru: normal sections i usually use 50%
00:56 vick: i will use 50 and kiai 70
00:56 vick: and slow part 30
00:56 vick: its okay like that ?
00:56 Kibbleru: consider silencing sliderslide
00:56 Kibbleru: 30 is on the low side
00:56 Kibbleru: hm
00:56 Kibbleru: try 35 maybe
00:56 vick: 40 ?
00:56 vick: okay
00:57 Kibbleru: that works
00:58 Kibbleru: ok so
00:58 Kibbleru: here comes ALOT of hitsound suggestions
00:58 Kibbleru: be prepared xD
00:58 Kibbleru: we can look over the actual mapping after
00:59 Kibbleru: 00:33:904 (2,4) - normal sample hitclaps
00:59 vick: its okay, i know im very bad hitsounding, a lot of help will be really good
00:59 Kibbleru: 00:33:651 (1,3) - 1 tail and 3 claps
00:59 vick: okay, that sounds a lot better now
01:00 Kibbleru: 00:33:904 (2,4) - uh then u might wana remove the whistles here
01:00 Kibbleru: lol
01:00 Kibbleru: 00:34:409 - normal addition finish and clap
01:00 vick: yes, i did
01:00 Kibbleru: 00:34:409 - i suggest adding a whistle on every 1 and 3 white tick
01:00 Kibbleru: except for when u need to use finishes
01:01 vick: okay
01:01 vick: give 1 sec and i will fix that
01:01 vick: only 1 and 3 head right ?
01:01 Kibbleru: actually i think it will help if u took a soft whistle file and replaced normal-hitwhistle with it
01:01 Kibbleru: seeing how u dont use it
01:02 vick: wait
01:02 vick: isnt it normal-hitwhistle right now ?
01:02 vick: ah
01:02 vick: fk my english
01:02 vick: i understand now, sryy
01:03 Kibbleru: i think its ur soft-hitwhistle right now xD
01:03 Kibbleru: but i think u should take a custom hitsound (of the soft whistle) and override ur normal-hitwhistle with it
01:03 vick: yeah xD
01:03 vick: im dumb
01:04 Kibbleru: 01:06:769 - ok so the 1,3 white tick whistle thing should fit until around 01:06:769 -
01:05 Kibbleru: 00:36:937 (6) - clap and 00:37:106 (1) - normal clap
01:05 Kibbleru: 00:39:297 (5,6,7) - ok try this 5-soft clap 6-drum clap 7-drum finish
01:05 vick: okay
01:06 Kibbleru: 00:39:803 - take off normal sample and use normal addition, clap finish
01:06 Kibbleru: like the first one
01:06 Kibbleru: 00:41:994 - just use a clap here no need for the normal sampleset
01:06 Kibbleru: 00:42:499 - same concept as the rest of the finish sounds
01:07 vick: so i change to addition clap finish
01:07 Kibbleru: 00:43:005 (2) - i dont get why ur doing the normal samplesets tbh just normal clap (again)
01:07 Kibbleru: yeah addition clap finish
01:07 Kibbleru: 00:43:510 - clap finish default addition
01:08 vick: fixed
01:08 Kibbleru: ok im just gunna call ur normal addition claps 'kick' from now on ok?
01:08 Kibbleru: 00:43:848 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for this part
01:08 vick: okay !
01:08 Kibbleru: kick clap clap kick clap kick
01:08 Kibbleru: 00:44:859 (7,8,9,10) - and claps
01:09 Kibbleru: 00:45:196 - same as others
01:09 vick: all claps ?
01:09 vick: 00:44:859 (7,8,9,10) -
01:09 vick: here
01:09 Kibbleru: 00:46:376 - 00:46:544 - all of these parts should simply be kicks
01:09 Kibbleru: yes all claps
01:10 vick: okay
01:10 Kibbleru: 00:46:376 - 00:46:544 - anyway whenever these parts happened i think u did like normal sampleset clap
01:10 Kibbleru: it should be normal ADDITION clap
01:10 Kibbleru: so change those
01:10 vick: i dont know what addition is
01:10 vick: im sorry
01:10 vick: xD
01:10 vick: i mean
01:10 vick: i know how to use it
01:10 Kibbleru: addition is whistle finish clap
01:11 vick: but i dont know what is the diference
01:11 Kibbleru: sampleset includes additons but with the hitnormal sound
01:11 Kibbleru: its really important
01:11 Kibbleru: cuz when u do sampleset instead of addition (like always lol) u can hear the normal-hitnormal sound
01:11 Kibbleru: which currently is basically the same as ur soft clap
01:11 vick: ahhhh
01:11 vick: okay, thanks for helping with that
01:11 Kibbleru: u probably never need to touch the sampleset button
01:12 Kibbleru: so from now on just work with additions
01:12 Kibbleru: btw idk if i told u but u do not need ur SC:11 or w/e
01:12 Kibbleru: just remove it lol
01:12 Kibbleru: unecessary
01:12 Kibbleru: just making things complicated
01:12 vick: okay
01:12 Kibbleru: instead. 00:47:893 - 00:49:072 - 00:49:241 - should be kicks
01:12 Kibbleru: and so on
01:12 vick: i just delet it ?
01:12 Kibbleru: u can hear the music for it
01:12 Kibbleru: and yes just delete it
01:12 Kibbleru: u dont need it
01:13 Kibbleru: keep in mind kick is normal addition clap
01:13 Kibbleru: and i say u should always stack ur kick whenever there is a finish
01:13 Kibbleru: 00:50:589 - so like here
01:14 Kibbleru: 00:51:769 - 00:51:937 - and again kicks
01:14 Kibbleru: whenever u hear the 'thud' sound put a 'kick'
01:14 Kibbleru: u seem to understand that from what ive been seeing but ur applying it wrong xD
01:14 vick: aaa
01:14 vick: im slow
01:15 vick: but im fixing everything xD
01:15 Kibbleru: ok so for future reference
01:15 Kibbleru: 00:56:319 - sound = clap and 00:56:657 - sound = kick
01:15 Kibbleru: got it :3?
01:16 vick: okay
01:16 vick: :3
01:16 Kibbleru: annnd for soft drum sounds like 00:56:994 (3,4) - i recommend u using drum SAMPLESET (so utilize the hitnormal)
01:16 Kibbleru: that should be the only time u use samplesets
01:16 Kibbleru: :3
01:17 vick: okay
01:17 vick: fixed
01:17 Kibbleru: 00:58:173 (2,5) - when it comes to low pitched drum sounds like this
01:17 vick: idk why but i think i used the drums
01:17 vick: in one section
01:17 Kibbleru: 00:58:173 (2,5) - for low pitched drum sounds like this
01:17 Kibbleru: for the higher pitched one use drum clap
01:17 Kibbleru: and the lower pitched one drum finish
01:18 vick: 00:58:173 (2,3,4,5) -
01:18 vick: all this is drum
01:18 vick: but
01:18 vick: 2 is clap ?
01:18 vick: noon
01:18 vick: 3
01:18 Kibbleru: actually i would put kicks for 00:58:342 (3,4) -
01:18 Kibbleru: cuz they sound more like 'thud' sounds for me
01:19 vick: yeah, it sounds good to me
01:19 Kibbleru: 01:03:567 (4,5,6,7) - and this is also similar
01:19 vick: 00:58:510 (5) -
01:19 vick: drum finish ?
01:19 Kibbleru: yes
01:19 Kibbleru: :3
01:19 vick: okay, im learning really slow
01:19 vick: sorry xD
01:20 Kibbleru: ok i will explain the kiai for once u absorb all that knowledge or w/e
01:21 Kibbleru: so tell me when ur rdy :#
01:22 vick: rdy !
01:22 Kibbleru: 01:28:342 - alright
01:22 Kibbleru: so this song's kiai follows a simple drum pattern
01:22 Kibbleru: with few variations
01:22 Kibbleru: claps are ALWAYS on 2 and 4th white tick
01:22 Kibbleru: and the kicks are on the 1st and 3rd
01:23 vick: yes, thats the only think i know
01:23 vick: oh
01:23 Kibbleru: as well as the.. 3 and a half
01:23 vick: the kicks no, i didnt know that
01:23 Kibbleru: 01:29:185 - 3 and a half
01:23 Kibbleru: lol
01:23 Kibbleru: 01:28:342 - 01:29:016 - 01:29:185 -
01:23 Kibbleru: like that
01:23 Kibbleru: and it repeats every measure
01:23 Kibbleru: BUT
01:23 Kibbleru: with a FEW variations
01:23 vick: i didnt understand 01:29:016 (4) -
01:23 Kibbleru: 01:33:567 (1) - here instead of the kick being on the 1st white tick it is on the two spaces before it
01:24 vick: kick in head and tail ?
01:24 Kibbleru: yes
01:24 Kibbleru: kick head and tail
01:24 Kibbleru: remember the position relative to the white ticks
01:24 vick: ah okay, fixed
01:24 Kibbleru: the 3rd one and the red tick after
01:24 Kibbleru: the pattern repeats itself
01:24 Kibbleru: for every measure
01:24 vick: okay !
01:24 Kibbleru: however
01:24 Kibbleru: there are exceptions
01:24 Kibbleru: i will note them down
01:25 Kibbleru: 01:33:567 (1) - 01:34:915 (1) - 01:37:612 (1) - 01:44:353 (5,2) - 01:45:701 (1) - 01:48:398 (1) -
01:25 Kibbleru: so there
01:25 Kibbleru: instead of the kicks being on the 1st white tick of the measure
01:25 Kibbleru: they are located one kick 1/2 before and one kick 1/2 after
01:26 Kibbleru: 01:33:567 (1) - take this one for example
01:26 Kibbleru: kicks are 01:33:567 - and 01:33:904 -
01:26 Kibbleru: my hope is that u are able to actually hear them in the song
01:26 vick: aaaa
01:26 vick: okay
01:26 vick: i understanded that very well
01:26 vick: or i think so
01:26 Kibbleru: i hope so too xD
01:26 Kibbleru: ok now finishes are very simple to do
01:27 vick: xD
01:27 Kibbleru: whenever u hear a crash in the music just put a finish ok
01:27 Kibbleru: 01:36:432 - so u are missing one here
01:27 Kibbleru: but thats not too hard to check
01:27 Kibbleru: just try not to miss any
01:28 vick: i always used sampleset normal for finish
01:28 vick: is that okay ?
01:28 Kibbleru: yes
01:28 Kibbleru: :3
01:28 Kibbleru: 01:17:555 - this section is simple
01:28 Kibbleru: kick on every white tick
01:28 Kibbleru: oki
01:28 vick: oki
01:28 Kibbleru: 01:22:106 - it ends here
01:28 Kibbleru: and goes on to a different pattern
01:29 Kibbleru: try to listen to the drums and see whether kick / clap / or anything else would fit the sound better
01:29 Kibbleru: if not i can correct them after ur attempt
01:29 Kibbleru: but try for urself so u can improve
01:29 vick: im really bad at that, im sorry
01:29 vick: i will do my best
01:30 Kibbleru: u know what a kick sounds like and what a clap sounds like
01:30 Kibbleru: so try :#
01:30 Kibbleru: i believe :3
01:31 vick: 01:22:106 (3,4,5,6,7) -
01:31 vick: for example
01:31 vick: kick kick finish (all 3 with drum sampleset) nothing kick nothing
01:31 Kibbleru: what?
01:32 Kibbleru:
http://puu.sh/pxWKP/78325af40c.jpg this part right?
01:32 vick: yes
01:32 vick: omg
01:32 vick: i did that bad ?
01:32 Kibbleru: i dont think thats quite accurate LOL
01:32 vick: OMG
01:32 vick: i wanna die
01:32 Kibbleru: 01:22:275 - does this sound like a drum finish to u o_O?
01:33 Kibbleru: 01:22:443 (6) - i dont think this should be 'nothing' either, do u hear anything there?
01:33 vick: i just tried to do the same as before
01:33 Kibbleru: ah
01:33 Kibbleru: its not the same :S
01:33 vick: with nothing
01:33 vick: i mean
01:33 vick: drum sampleset
01:33 vick: nothing else
01:33 Kibbleru: oh
01:33 vick: noclaps or whistle
01:33 Kibbleru: well
01:33 Kibbleru: thats better than nothing
01:33 Kibbleru: but here is how i see it as
01:34 Kibbleru: 01:22:106 (3,4,6) - kicks
01:34 Kibbleru: 01:22:275 (5) - clap
01:34 Kibbleru: 01:22:612 - head of 7 clap and finish
01:34 Kibbleru: 01:22:780 - kick
01:35 vick: holy
01:35 vick: i just... cant
01:35 vick: i dont know
01:35 vick: its too hard to do good hitsounds
01:35 Kibbleru: dont give up
01:35 Kibbleru: i plan to bubble this holy
01:35 Kibbleru: pls LOL
01:35 Kibbleru: and the main thing in the way is hitsounding
01:35 vick: aaaa
01:36 vick: im nervous now
01:36 vick: okay
01:36 vick: im gonna focus
01:36 Kibbleru: ill support u :3
01:36 vick: a LOT
01:36 Kibbleru: okay
01:36 Kibbleru: i think ive taught u MOST of the issue now
01:36 Kibbleru: so i will leave u at it
01:36 Kibbleru: and i hope u can impress me tomorrow xD
01:36 vick: xD
01:36 Kibbleru: after im satisfied with htisounding we can get onto placement and stuff
01:37 vick: im gonna do my best
01:37 Kibbleru: placement just a few points
01:37 vick: okay !
01:37 Kibbleru: so get through the hard part and the rest is a downhill slope
01:37 Kibbleru: i believe :3
01:37 vick: thank you :3
01:37 vick: i helped me a LOT
01:37 Kibbleru: anyway ill post this log on the forum so u can hopefully look there if u forget anything
01:37 vick: okay, that will help me !
01:38 vick: i want to say really really thank you, you helped me a lot
01:38 vick: nobody helped me that much xD
01:38 Kibbleru:
http://puu.sh/pxX15/f959ce11ae.jpg01:38 Kibbleru: 'i helped me alot'
01:38 Kibbleru: orz
01:38 Kibbleru: xD
01:39 vick: OMG
01:39 vick: xDD
01:39 vick: i told you
01:39 vick: im nervous!!!
01:39 Kibbleru: haha dw about it
01:39 Kibbleru: we have time
01:39 vick: just one more thing
01:40 vick: i want to ask you
01:40 Kibbleru: yea
01:40 vick: about how to hitsound
01:40 vick: the "pre"kiai
01:40 vick: 01:22:949 (1) - to 01:25:477 (6) -
01:40 Kibbleru: oh
01:41 Kibbleru: yeah it goes something like this
01:41 vick: but wait
01:41 vick: no
01:41 vick: nono
01:41 vick: its like kick in the white ticks right ? (pls dont kill me)
01:41 vick: not in all white
01:41 Kibbleru: not rly
01:41 Kibbleru: ur rhythming should make this easy
01:41 Kibbleru: basically the circles 01:23:286 (2,4) - are kicks
01:41 Kibbleru: and 01:23:454 (3,5) - slider heads are claps
01:41 Kibbleru: with the exception of the first one
01:41 Kibbleru: 01:22:949 -
01:41 Kibbleru: thats a kick with finish
01:41 vick: aah, i was going to put kick in 01:23:454 (3) - tail
01:43 vick: 01:24:634 (3) -
01:43 vick: should this be a clap ?
01:44 Kibbleru: yes
01:44 Kibbleru: ah one last thing about whistles
01:44 Kibbleru: i dont expect u to master them right away
01:44 Kibbleru: but the simple go to guideline i will give u is
01:45 Kibbleru: first of all keep in mind they are used to emphasize instrument and vocals
01:45 Kibbleru: and when ur adding them
01:45 Kibbleru: take one measure
01:46 Kibbleru: and pick out the 2-4 most prominent instrumental/vocal sounds
01:46 Kibbleru: and apply the whistles to them
01:46 Kibbleru: avoid having whistles only 1/2 apart as that would be a bit spammy
01:46 vick: mmm
01:46 vick: should i add whistles
01:46 vick: in loud parts like kiais ?
01:46 Kibbleru: yes
01:46 Kibbleru: definitely
01:46 vick: okay
01:46 Kibbleru: whistles liven up the hitsounding alot
01:46 Kibbleru: infact u should have whistles almost everywhere
01:47 vick: but the problem is
01:47 vick: i use in kiai
01:47 vick: 2 and 5 to claps
01:47 Kibbleru: 2 and 4?
01:47 vick: where should the whistles go ?
01:47 vick: yeah
01:47 Kibbleru: u dont need to worry about claps or kicks when ur doing whistles
01:47 vick: i mean
01:47 Kibbleru: stacking them is fine
01:48 Kibbleru: just try to pick out the stronger vocals or instrument
01:48 vick: okay, i will try
01:48 vick: it seems hard anyway
01:48 Kibbleru: 00:34:409 - remember when i told u to just put whistle on 1 and 3 white tick
01:48 Kibbleru: its because those beats have strong instrumental sound
01:48 Kibbleru: for example listen to 00:34:409 - compared to like 00:34:746 -
01:49 Kibbleru: can u notice the difference in intensity?
01:49 Kibbleru: o sry that was bad example
01:49 Kibbleru: 00:35:084 - and00:34:746 -
01:49 Kibbleru: they can be used to emphasze things like change in pitch
01:49 vick: wait
01:50 vick: you mean 2 and 4 are whistles right ?
01:50 Kibbleru: no 1 and 3
01:50 Kibbleru: 00:35:084 - 00:35:758 - 00:36:432 - so on
01:50 vick: i can understand the 1 perfectly but the 3 no
01:50 vick: i guess i have a bad ryhthm
01:51 vick: oh wait
01:51 vick: no
01:51 vick: its okay
01:51 Kibbleru: 00:35:084 - notice how the pitch changes
01:51 Kibbleru: :3
01:51 Kibbleru: try to pick out things like that
01:51 vick: i though u say 00:34:915 (3) -
01:51 Kibbleru: lol
01:51 Kibbleru: no xD
01:51 Kibbleru: i meant 1 and 3 white ticks
01:51 vick: aaaa
01:51 vick: xD
01:51 Kibbleru: honestly u know how to map
01:51 vick: im so bad at this
01:51 vick: holy
01:51 Kibbleru: so i think the biggest tip is
01:52 Kibbleru: whistle to whatever ur MAPPING TO
01:52 Kibbleru: so
01:52 Kibbleru: say
01:52 Kibbleru: why did i put a slider head here?
01:52 Kibbleru: why did i put a slider end here?
01:52 Kibbleru: why is this jump big?
01:52 Kibbleru: etc
01:52 Kibbleru: usually those points of emphasis are the ones that deserve whistles
01:52 vick: that's the best explanation
01:52 vick: someone could every have say
01:52 Kibbleru: alright tahts good haha xD
01:52 vick: i think i got it
01:53 vick: xD
01:53 Kibbleru: alright :3
01:53 Kibbleru: i was worried that that kind of explanation might be confusing but its good that u understand
01:53 vick: 00:36:937 (6,1) -
01:53 vick: for example this
01:53 vick: should be kick and clap ?
01:53 vick: 00:37:443 (3) -
01:53 vick: and here whistle
01:53 Kibbleru: other way around
01:54 Kibbleru: yeah whistle works
01:54 vick: oh yes
01:55 Kibbleru: i think one of the best quotes ive ever heard was
01:55 Kibbleru: the map is to complement the song
01:55 Kibbleru: and the hitsounds are to complement the map
01:55 Kibbleru: so yeah
01:55 Kibbleru: basically whistles for that
01:56 vick: i hope
01:56 Kibbleru: assuming that ur map does actually complement the song then ur whistles will naturally fit
01:56 vick: you dont want to kill me tomorrow
01:56 Kibbleru: i hope so too LOL
01:56 Kibbleru: anyway ill actually leave it at that for now haha
01:56 Kibbleru: cuz im gunna get to bed
01:56 Kibbleru: :3