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Camellia - dreamless wanderer [Taiko]

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Fblade
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Joined August 2013
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Fblade
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 24 December, 2018 at 5:44:10 PM

Artist: Camellia
Title: dreamless wanderer
Tags: かめりあ かめるかめりあ cametek drumstep c87 KamelCamellia
BPM: 174
Filesize: 8012kb
Play Time: 05:08
Difficulties Available:
  1. Onistep (6.75 stars, 1876 notes)
Download: Camellia - dreamless wanderer
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welp
Modders
Midnaait
snowball112
Rev_deaddiet
Catgirl
n1doking
Nofool
newyams99
Nepuri
Ekoro
-Valony-

To do:
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Changelog
19/11/2017 - -Valony- modded the map.
18/01/2017 - Ekoro did an IRC mod.
14/12/2016 - Nofool helped me with some changed around the first part of the second kiai.
19/11/2016 - Voyage helped me out with the section around 03:30:708.
18/09/2016 - Nepuri modded the map, edited things.
13/09/2016 - Nofool modded the adjustments I made. (Chatlog in comments)
10/09/2016 - Removed the incorrect finishers.
07/09/2016 - Corrected most of the incorrect snaps, reworked the long stream in the second kiai, and raised the volume at certain places + changed OD from 7 to 6.6 .
02/09/2016 - Moved the time sections in the begin and end a little bit. (If you played the notes too early, you would hear the volume of the previous time section) + Changed the SV to 1.45 at the 1/6 section in the first kiai.
25/08/2016 - [b:1337]newyams99[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
23/08/2016 - [b:1337]Nofool[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
19/08/2016 - Added some finishers back
17/08/2016 - Changed the begin and end + some things around the map
07/08/2016 - [b:1337]S a n d[/b:1337] reviewed the map, spotted a few mistakes
05/08/2016 - [b:1337]n1doking[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
04/08/2016 - Added more time sections for SV and volume changes
04/08/2016 - Removed some overlapping SV changes
04/08/2016 - [b:1337]Catgirl[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
22/07/2016 - Changed the slider velocity
16/04/2016 - [b:1337]Rev_deaddiet[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
15/04/2016 - [b:1337]snowball112[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
14/04/2016 - [b:1337]Midnaait[/b:1337] modded the map, edited things
14/04/2016 - Changed the dkkk pattern to dkdk (2:25)
14/04/2016 - Adjusted some patterns (0:44-1:07, but also at the end)
14/04/2016 - Changed OD from 5 to 7
14/04/2016 - Added and changed some of the 1/6 streams (2:13-2:35)
13/04/2016 - Finished creating the map (still room for improvement)

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Midnaait
784 posts
Joined April 2012
Midnaait
Ok
SPOILER
22:59 *Fblade is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/949871 Camellia - dreamless wanderer [OniStep]] <Taiko>
22:59 Fblade: I sort of finished the whole map now
22:59 Fblade: but I have to find mods now >:
23:00 Midnaait: good luck lol
23:00 Fblade: tyty
23:00 Fblade: there are still a lot of 1/6 streams inside
23:00 Fblade: But the music is like that, so ye
23:05 Fblade: whoops, I forgot to change the dkkk kkk (1/6) at the end
23:06 Midnaait: nice map but still some 1/6 are weird
23:07 Fblade: which ones?
23:07 Fblade: the dkkk kkk 1/6 at the end shouldn't be there anymore, I just forgot to replace those at the end
23:09 Midnaait: i'll point some later
23:09 Midnaait: have to go shopping brb
23:09 Midnaait: lol
23:09 Fblade: alrighto
23:31 Midnaait: back
23:31 Midnaait: lol
23:32 Fblade: wb
23:33 Midnaait: Okay lets see
23:33 Midnaait: try to avoid [http://puu.sh/oilpC/de230397a3.jpg this ones and similar]
23:33 Midnaait: 00:52:087 -
23:34 Midnaait: They are really weird imo lol
23:34 Fblade: hm
23:34 Midnaait: usually they come like the first 4 in 1/6 then the other two in 1/4
23:34 Fblade: Oh
23:34 Fblade: what if I changed to
23:35 Fblade: dddkk d?
23:35 Midnaait: More like (dddk)kd
23:35 Midnaait: brackets meaning 1/6
23:35 Fblade: oh
23:36 Fblade: yeah it sounds and looks better now
23:36 Midnaait: What I mean is the last 1/6 note also has to land in a 1/4 tick
23:36 Fblade: yeah
23:37 Fblade: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4932017
23:37 Fblade: like this right?
23:37 Midnaait: 01:03:811 -
23:37 Midnaait: yeah
23:38 Fblade: what's with that one?
23:38 Midnaait: that can be a simple kkk
23:38 Midnaait: in 1/4
23:38 Midnaait: then add a don in 01:04:156 -
23:38 Midnaait: Or if you want kkkk in 1/6
23:39 Fblade: kkkkkk 1/6
23:40 Fblade: btw, what do you mean with "add a 'don' "?
23:40 Midnaait: don means d
23:40 Midnaait: lol
23:40 Fblade: oh
23:40 Midnaait: add a note there
23:40 Fblade: well
23:40 Fblade: I changed it to (kkkkkk)
23:40 Fblade: or
23:40 Fblade: (kkkkkd)?
23:41 Midnaait: It doesnt need 1/6 imo, it's not a really strong wub wub lol
23:42 Fblade: hmm
23:42 Midnaait: also
23:42 Fblade: kkkkd then
23:42 Midnaait: SV needs to be 1.40
23:42 Midnaait: or 1.60 but it's too fast lol
23:43 Fblade: okeh
23:43 Midnaait: okay
23:43 Midnaait: 02:09:501 -
23:43 Fblade: 1.42
23:44 Midnaait: You could do like (kkkd)dkd
23:44 Midnaait: It's a rule, it must be 1.40 or 1.60 lol
23:44 Midnaait: Unless bpm is really low or high then it can be different
23:44 Fblade: ehm welp
23:44 Fblade: how to change the number itself
23:45 Fblade: I can only do it up or down by 0.1
23:45 Fblade: xd
23:45 Midnaait: hold ctrl
23:45 Midnaait: then change
23:45 Fblade: okay thanks
23:45 Fblade: 1.40 is good
23:46 Midnaait: well, I said about other 1/6 above
23:46 Midnaait: lol
23:46 Fblade: I changed it
23:46 Fblade: (kkkd)dkd
23:47 Midnaait: 02:15:018 -
23:47 Midnaait: this ones are really weird imo
23:48 Fblade: well
23:48 Fblade: the pew pew sounds
23:48 Midnaait: yeah I know
23:48 Midnaait: lol
23:48 Fblade: should I change the volume of the hit sounds so you hear the pews better or change the pattern itself?
23:48 Midnaait: You could do (kkd) (kkd) (kkd) or kkdkkdkkd in 1/4
23:49 Fblade: I did (kkd) before
23:49 Fblade: but it sounds like it pews one time more
23:49 Fblade: but (kkd) is good
23:50 Midnaait: okay
23:50 Fblade: (kkdd) was a little bit unreadable
23:50 Midnaait: do it for all of them if you can lol
23:50 Fblade: almost stacked up
23:50 Fblade: ye
23:50 Fblade: ez
23:50 Midnaait: Its not unreadable, it's weird to play
23:50 Fblade: for me not
23:50 Fblade: kkdd player
23:50 Fblade: heuhueuhe
23:50 Midnaait: it's just a fast kkddkkdd lol
23:50 Fblade: 2:17
23:50 Fblade: how should I change that?
23:51 Midnaait: just delete the last 1/6 every 4 notes
23:51 Midnaait: lol
23:51 Fblade: I did
23:52 Midnaait: Then what happened?
23:52 Midnaait: lol
23:52 Fblade: but 2:17 is not a pew sound
23:52 Fblade: but I guess it's good if it's just a (kkk)
23:52 Midnaait: you could do a kkd
23:52 Midnaait: 1/4
23:53 Fblade: hm
23:53 Midnaait: it should be like kk(dkkd)
23:53 Fblade: oh
23:53 Fblade: ye
23:54 Fblade: I changed the patterns
23:54 Fblade: Are there more?
23:55 Midnaait: nice
23:55 Midnaait: well
23:55 Midnaait: 03:22:604 -
23:55 Midnaait: this long stream is a bit boring imo
23:55 Midnaait: lol
23:55 Fblade: tru
23:55 Fblade: I just followed the music
23:55 Fblade: and felt like here should be a loooong stream
23:55 Fblade: I need to add some variation
23:56 Midnaait: 03:31:570 (135,136,137,138,139) -
23:56 Midnaait: these notes change them to ddkkd lol
23:56 Midnaait: Melody goes a bit slower so it should be a bit different than the previous part
23:56 Midnaait: lol
23:57 Fblade: mhm
23:57 Midnaait: 03:34:156 -
23:57 Midnaait: Do like I told you in the first thing
23:57 Midnaait: lol
23:57 Fblade: ye
23:58 Midnaait: 04:02:604 -
23:58 Midnaait: same
23:58 Fblade: what was it again
23:58 Fblade: (kkkd) dkd?
23:58 Midnaait: yeah
23:58 Fblade: okeh
23:59 Midnaait: well it repeats so you know what to do next
23:59 Fblade: yup
23:59 Fblade: so the only thing left
23:59 Fblade: is making a hard but enjoyable deathstream?
23:59 Midnaait: yeah
23:59 Fblade: let me make one
00:00 Midnaait: Also punch down the HP since it's a marathon map
00:00 Midnaait: to 4 or 5
00:00 Fblade: 5
00:02 Fblade: almost got a good stream
00:02 Midnaait: tell me when you update lol
00:07 Fblade: I think I got it
00:07 Fblade: almost
00:07 Midnaait: almost
00:07 Midnaait: lol
00:07 Fblade: doesn't feel good enough yet
00:12 Fblade: whoops
00:12 Fblade: I accidently uploaded my friend his diff
00:13 Midnaait: lol
00:13 Fblade: updated it now
00:15 Fblade: I'm about to change 3:25
00:15 Fblade: it doesn't feel good
00:18 Fblade: I updated it again
00:19 Midnaait: okay
snowball112
363 posts
Joined February 2013
snowball112
Chatlog
16:55 Fblade: Hello~
16:55 snowball112: heya
16:56 Fblade: I made a Taiko map and need some people to mod it,
16:56 Fblade: would you like it to take a look at it? (it's 6.68 stars though)
16:56 snowball112: sec
16:56 Fblade: (6.63 stars*)
16:59 snowball112: yeah i can't play it, i'm just letting it run through auto
16:59 Fblade: no problems
16:59 *Fblade is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/949871 Camellia - dreamless wanderer [OniStep]] <Taiko>
17:08 Fblade: brb
17:12 snowball112: i'd like to do a chat mod with you if it's alright
17:15 snowball112: hurry up and come back and we start :P
17:18 Fblade: 15 minutes left until mah pizza is rediii
17:18 Fblade: I'm here now
17:18 Fblade: yeee
17:18 snowball112: alright let's go
17:18 Fblade: let's go
17:19 snowball112: how about changing things up a little bit at the beginning to match the pitch a bit better? like turn 00:01:053 (1,2) - d
17:19 snowball112: and add k on 00:01:742 -
17:20 Fblade: d k d
17:20 snowball112: yeah
17:20 snowball112: cuz you have the higher sound in the middle
17:20 Fblade: sure
17:20 Fblade: yup
17:20 snowball112: similar with the following
17:20 Fblade: yeah
17:20 Fblade: but at the second d k d
17:20 snowball112: 00:06:570 - dkd
17:20 Fblade: should I add a 1/6?
17:21 snowball112: nah, i'd keep it calm
17:21 snowball112: 1/1s are enough i think
17:21 snowball112: it would spoil your buildup
17:21 Fblade: true
17:22 snowball112: so I suggest you do the three-note thing up until the part of 00:23:121 - begins
17:22 Fblade: so dkd 4 times
17:22 Fblade: ye
17:22 snowball112: i think it works well
17:23 Fblade: should I add a drum at 24:156?
17:23 snowball112: or maybe you leave the last one as 3xk or sth to transition to the next part
17:23 snowball112: i think that buildup with k here is fine as it is
17:23 snowball112: don't think it makes that much difference tbh here
17:24 Fblade: alright
17:24 snowball112: 00:42:259 (78) - maybe k? pretty optional though
17:24 Fblade: k sounds better indeed
17:24 snowball112: actually nvm, sound doesnt change from the last note
17:24 snowball112: jut the contrast sounds nice
17:25 Fblade: or maybe I should change all those to K
17:25 Fblade: where it makes that sound
17:25 Fblade: which is twice in the intro
17:26 Fblade: and idk about the end
17:26 snowball112: i think its ok the way it is now
17:26 snowball112: sth else now
17:26 snowball112: within the pattern of 00:55:190 (80,81,82,83,84,85,86)
17:27 snowball112: i think it would be good if you only use finishers at 00:55:190 -
17:27 snowball112: D
17:27 snowball112: and on the last note 00:56:225 - K
17:27 snowball112: works better for emphasis, and in between the 00:55:363 (81,82,83,84,85) - maybe kkdkd
17:27 snowball112: so you get DkkdkdK
17:29 Fblade: hmm
17:29 snowball112: again, pretty optional
17:30 Fblade: I feel like doing this
17:30 Fblade: or well
17:30 Fblade: D d K d K d K
17:30 Fblade: or D d k d k d K
17:30 Fblade: starting from 80
17:31 Fblade: or D d k d K d K
17:31 snowball112: just go to the time in editor and ctrl-c and paste me the timestamp
17:31 snowball112: start here? 01:06:224 -
17:31 snowball112: the reason i'd suggest Dkk at the start is you have a finish in the music on the first note
17:32 snowball112: and then high tones in the music on the two following ones
17:32 Fblade: mhm
17:32 Fblade: brb
17:32 Fblade: my pizza
17:32 Fblade: it might burn
17:32 Fblade: 'll come back asap
17:32 Fblade: around 20 minutes
17:32 Fblade: alright?
17:32 snowball112: np, i'll check the rest in the meantime
17:32 snowball112: enjoy your pizza :D
17:33 Fblade: Sure, brb
17:33 Fblade: tyty :D
17:49 Fblade: Back~
17:49 snowball112: wb
17:50 Fblade: ty
17:50 snowball112: right, the DkkdkD thing also applies at 04:16:569 - if you want
17:50 Fblade: yup
17:51 Fblade: I'm changing it to DdkdKdK though
17:52 snowball112: maybe from 01:08:984 - kk and from 01:10:363 - dd? could work nicely with the pitch
17:52 Fblade: yeah true
17:52 Fblade: changed it.
17:52 snowball112: i forgot if this is original, are the 2 notes from 01:11:742 - dk?
17:53 Fblade: kd
17:53 snowball112: i'd make it dk
17:54 Fblade: okeh
17:54 Fblade: done
17:54 snowball112: maybe make the double starting at 02:00:449 - dk or so? the sound is different to the other times where you use kk like at 02:03:208 -
17:55 snowball112: same at 03:53:553 -
17:55 snowball112: but kinda optional
17:55 Fblade: dk sounds better than kk indeed
17:57 snowball112: starting from 02:36:742 - , how about dkkddk?
17:57 snowball112: or otherwise just 02:37:259 - d
17:57 snowball112: would follow the melody better within this pattern imo
17:58 Fblade: dkkddk sounds good
17:59 snowball112: and the next one
17:59 snowball112: i think i changed something too
17:59 snowball112: so from 02:39:673 - kdkdkk
18:01 snowball112: maybe 02:42:604 - d or something? i feel like it spreads out the emphasis a bit more instead of having only k
18:01 Fblade: at 2:41:915
18:01 Fblade: dddkkdkk
18:02 snowball112: for timestamps, just ctrl+c the place and copy in chat :P
18:02 Fblade: wdwqudhqw
18:02 Fblade: 02:48:294 (16) -
18:02 Fblade: dddkkdkk
18:02 Fblade: 02:41:915 (45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52) -
18:02 Fblade: over here
18:03 snowball112: yeah
18:03 snowball112: that would work
18:03 Fblade: okay, I changed the patterns at that part
18:03 Fblade: so after the k build up
18:03 snowball112: ah, i forgot something
18:04 snowball112: in the buildup to the first kiai starting at 01:40:363 -
18:04 Fblade: ye
18:04 snowball112: idk how good it flows to have so many finishers before the long stream, you may want to gather more opinions on this
18:04 snowball112: the ones starting from 01:44:501 -
18:05 Fblade: maybe only the K ones?
18:05 snowball112: i was thinking about something like building it with triples instead, the pitch of the woosh in the music increases ever so slightly
18:05 snowball112: maybe enough to justify kkd patterns after the kdd ones
18:05 snowball112: don't know how well this would flow though
18:05 Fblade: let me see
18:06 snowball112: i'd probs create a new diff and try around with it
18:06 snowball112: in case the new stuff plays worse
18:06 Fblade: sounds good with kkd
18:08 snowball112: ah, and the thing with the finishers again at 04:16:569 -
18:08 Fblade: already changed those
18:08 snowball112: oh nvm got those
18:08 snowball112: just saw XD
18:09 Fblade: xd
18:09 snowball112: i think the very last spinner sounds a bit weird
18:09 snowball112: how about you extend the spinner before that to 05:15:535 - instead and get rid of the last one?
18:10 snowball112: reason i'd suggest this is because of the sounds in the background on the last one
18:10 snowball112: and that way drain time is still enough for the marathon diff
18:10 Fblade: sounds good
18:11 Fblade: so
18:11 snowball112: tbh, that's pretty much it. it seems alright to leave most of the 5-note 1/4s simple when you test a player's speed with the 1/6 in the map anyway
18:11 Fblade: wait
18:12 Fblade: does the spinner end at 05:22:432 - or 05:15:535 -
18:12 snowball112: i'd go for the earlier one
18:13 snowball112: cuz of the sounds that happen after 05:15:535 - in the music
18:13 Fblade: okay
18:13 snowball112: just personal preference
18:14 snowball112: maybe final thing would be about the long stream at 03:19:673 -
18:15 snowball112: i mean the one after
18:16 snowball112: you hear the 3-note patterns in the music here? idk if it would be good to follow those in the stream
18:16 Fblade: I tried that before
18:16 snowball112: like 03:22:432 (30,31,33) - ddk
18:16 snowball112: ah nvm
18:16 Fblade: it's a boring stream if you map it like that
18:16 snowball112: i guess it doesnt work well then
18:16 snowball112: ah k
18:16 Fblade: like kdkdkdddkdkdkdddkdkdk etc
18:17 Fblade: Midnaait modded that stream yesterday
18:17 Fblade: still, this stream needs some improvement
18:18 snowball112: i dont think there's anything like that stream that long in the music
18:19 snowball112: maybe do a kind of half-and-half approach? like following the three background notes every other time or something like that
18:19 Fblade: there's nothing really in the music that refers to a stream
18:19 Fblade: but that kiai part
18:19 Fblade: In my opinion, I just feel like putting a big stream there
18:20 Fblade: when you follow those 3 background notes all the time, there will be almost no variation in that part
18:20 snowball112: tbh, that's the most appropriate part if you want to make a stream like that
18:20 snowball112: another option
18:20 snowball112: you follow the stream along the lines of the long, high background sounds
18:21 snowball112: so instead of starting the stream at 03:22:604 - , you remove the finish on 03:22:432 - and start there
18:21 snowball112: and then maybe delete the note at 03:23:725 -
18:21 Fblade: hmm
18:21 snowball112: so you get a small gap between the "long note stream part" and the actual supported stream
18:22 snowball112: just an idea, but you'd have to break up the stream into sections with small 1/4 breaks
18:22 Fblade: The finisher is there because the music reaches some climax over there
18:22 snowball112: just to make it follow those sounds and flow better i'd guess
18:22 Fblade: idk how to describe it
18:23 snowball112: i get what you mean
18:23 Fblade: when you instantly start with a stream, it gives less of an effect of ehm..
18:23 snowball112: its like you're splitting the kiai into sections to put emphasis on that part
18:23 snowball112: with that finish
18:23 Fblade: that first high note
18:23 snowball112: yeah, i'd leave it in then
18:24 Fblade: I'll have to change some things in that long stream though
18:24 snowball112: idk, maybe something like the small breaks corresponding to the long notes later in the stream might be worth a try instead
18:24 Fblade: to make it fit the music better
18:24 snowball112: like taking out 03:25:105 - for example or something
18:25 snowball112: to structure those parts better after what they're supposed to follow
18:26 Fblade: I know what you mean
18:26 Fblade: let me think
18:26 snowball112: i'd suggest you make a spare copy just for the stream and just play around with those ideas
18:26 snowball112: you'll figure something out, especially when you get a modder who can actually play it
18:27 Fblade: I can play it as well,
18:27 snowball112: just for the different opinions i mean
18:27 Fblade: but I do need opinions of different people
18:27 Fblade: ye
18:27 snowball112: i can't really judge it that well just cuz i can't play it
18:27 snowball112: anyway, some other stuff
18:27 Fblade: I'll try to create a long stream first, and after that I will experiment with small breaks
18:27 snowball112: you can remove "Camellia", "dreamless wanderer" and "fblade" from tags
18:28 snowball112: those are listed as artist and title and creator anyway, you don't need them again in the tags
18:28 Fblade: I see
18:28 snowball112: and you have かめりあ twice as well i think
18:29 Fblade: well
18:29 Fblade: one of them was like kamelcamellia
18:29 Fblade: or something
18:30 Fblade: I copied that tag from some other dreamless wanderer map
18:30 snowball112: they have it written out in romaji as well [https://osu.ppy.sh/s/286414 here]
18:31 Fblade: yup
18:31 snowball112: gonna post a quick summary in your thread, sec

Quick summary of the modding:
- suggested some patterns to bring out the melody more
- suggested ways to change the long stream
- suggested changes to the buildup
- Fblade almost burnt his pizza
Reveaper
38 posts
Joined October 2013
Reveaper
Here's my mod in short:
- changed small parts across the beatmap
- gonna still edit some stream and send later to creator
- first mod no h8 pls

that's all folks

chatlog
16:43 Rev_deaddiet: Hello sexy I came here to mod your beautifull creations
16:43 Fblade: beautiful* xd
16:43 Rev_deaddiet: sowwy
16:43 Rev_deaddiet: anyways
16:43 Rev_deaddiet: what always bothered me is the start
16:44 Rev_deaddiet: it's too calm and nothing happens
16:44 Rev_deaddiet: maybe add some spinners?
16:44 Rev_deaddiet: gonna go on the time
16:44 Rev_deaddiet: wait how do i do this
16:44 Fblade: well, the music is calm in the intro so I keep it calm in the map
16:44 Fblade: and then build it up
16:44 Fblade: if you want to link time, CTRL + C in the timeline and paste it
16:45 Fblade: in the chat,
16:45 Rev_deaddiet: ok
16:45 Rev_deaddiet: 00:08:984 (1) -
16:45 Fblade: I see what you mean with those spinners, but
16:45 Rev_deaddiet: huh
16:45 Fblade: spinners would like, rip the build up
16:45 Rev_deaddiet: untill 00:10
16:45 Fblade: selecting works too,
16:46 Rev_deaddiet: correction start 1 tick earlier, 00:08:639 (1) -
16:46 Fblade: or just add random hitcircles
16:47 Rev_deaddiet: 00:08:639 (7) - start to 00:10:708 (9) -
16:47 Rev_deaddiet: is this ok?
16:47 Rev_deaddiet: spinners on those parts is what I mean, but if you don't want to do that then it's fine
16:47 Fblade: no spinners in the intro,
16:48 Rev_deaddiet: tfw mom's voice goes over headphones
16:48 Fblade: rip, but if you want to put a time, just select nothing, and copy paste
16:48 Fblade: like
16:48 Fblade: 00:14:846 -
16:48 Rev_deaddiet: 00:39:070 (56) - change into don/red, and try to listen?
16:48 Rev_deaddiet: oh
16:48 Rev_deaddiet: ok
16:49 Fblade: that note is a blue because the melody goes higher at that point
16:50 Fblade: 00:40:449 (70) -
16:50 Fblade: should this be a k or d?
16:51 Rev_deaddiet: not sure
16:51 Rev_deaddiet: think so
16:51 Rev_deaddiet: or delete it
16:51 Rev_deaddiet: 00:41:570 -
16:52 Rev_deaddiet: there is a sound here but no hit in the beatmap
16:52 Rev_deaddiet: maybe add a blue note?
16:52 Fblade: or yeah
16:52 Fblade: removing it works too indeed
16:52 Rev_deaddiet: or a red one, depends on what you prefer
16:52 Rev_deaddiet: or wait nevermind the 41 second thing
16:53 Fblade: yeah, there's no sound there xd
16:53 Rev_deaddiet: i'm just hearing things
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: 01:03:121 -
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: i changed this to kkkk k
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: kkkk being 1/6
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: no no
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: wait
16:54 Rev_deaddiet: this is better
16:54 Fblade: what is better?
16:55 Rev_deaddiet: 01:03:409 (131) - k kkkk k
16:55 Rev_deaddiet: with the kkkk being 1/6
16:55 Rev_deaddiet: sounds so much better imo
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: oh
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: it copied wrong
16:56 Fblade: hmm
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: 01:03:121 (128) -
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: start k kkkk k from there
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: not 409 in time
16:56 Rev_deaddiet: it was selecting the wrong note ._.
16:56 Fblade: if you want to say 1/6, put it between brackets
16:57 Fblade: I'm thinking
16:57 Rev_deaddiet: uh
16:57 Rev_deaddiet: cant I just puush it
16:57 Fblade: not sure if this should be 1/6 or not, because it a weak wub wub
16:57 Fblade: you can puush it
16:58 Rev_deaddiet: it sounds good to the music imo
16:58 Rev_deaddiet: if you want you can change 1/6 into 1/4
16:58 Rev_deaddiet: http://puu.sh/oksiX/3f6ddc6ae4.jpg
16:59 Fblade: there is some random beat you added
16:59 Rev_deaddiet: originally it were 4 notes 1/3
16:59 Fblade: because mine is like, 127 over there
16:59 Rev_deaddiet: yeah probably before the thing
16:59 Rev_deaddiet: but look at the time down left
16:59 Fblade: yeah
17:00 Fblade: oh I see what you mean
17:00 Rev_deaddiet: greit
17:01 Fblade: 01:03:294 (128,129,130,131,132) - (dddd) d or (dddd) k?
17:01 Rev_deaddiet: use d
17:01 Rev_deaddiet: because the sound is the same as the d (dddd) before
17:01 Fblade: okay
17:01 Fblade: (kkkk) or (dddd)?
17:02 Fblade: nvm
17:02 Rev_deaddiet: they both sound good
17:02 Fblade: d I guess
17:02 Rev_deaddiet: you can choose the one you prefer
17:02 Fblade: d
17:03 Fblade: okay, I changed them at the beginning and at the end
17:04 Fblade: what's next? O:
17:04 Rev_deaddiet: 02:13:121 - kkddk maybe try kk(ddd)k but I don't think you'll do that
17:05 Rev_deaddiet: actually nevermind that
17:05 Fblade: hmm
17:06 Fblade: there is nothing in the music that refers to the (ddd) right?
17:06 Fblade: so I don't think I'll do that
17:06 Rev_deaddiet: yea
17:09 Rev_deaddiet: 02:52:259 - its kinda weird that have thar red one there while the rest of that part is without no?
17:09 Fblade: anything else?
17:10 Rev_deaddiet: i'd either delete that one or add red ones 02:51:915 and 02:53:639 and so on
17:10 Fblade: oh true
17:10 Rev_deaddiet: I messed up :)
17:10 Fblade: remove it or d?
17:10 Fblade: ggwp
17:10 Rev_deaddiet: i think adding more d's (kappa) would be good
17:11 Fblade: xd
17:11 Rev_deaddiet: its just perfesonal preference I guess
17:11 Rev_deaddiet: personal*
17:11 Fblade: 02:52:259 -
17:11 Rev_deaddiet: why did I combine personal and preference gg
17:11 Fblade: I removed the d, that's what I did
17:11 Rev_deaddiet: damn that's harsh
17:11 Rev_deaddiet: ok
17:12 Fblade: removing the d :(
17:12 Rev_deaddiet: gone is the puberty
17:12 Rev_deaddiet: look I'm gonna ask you something here
17:12 Fblade: xd, another thing?
17:12 Rev_deaddiet: 02:59:673 - I change it to kkddkdkkd and in my opinion it sounds good
17:12 Rev_deaddiet: but what do you think about that?
17:13 Rev_deaddiet: oh wait that's the part where I made that small part before, so I guess that's kinda why it sounds good to me
17:14 Fblade: maybe
17:14 Fblade: let me think about it
17:14 Rev_deaddiet: ok
17:14 Rev_deaddiet: good luck
17:14 Rev_deaddiet: no offense meant
17:14 Fblade: it sounds good
17:15 Rev_deaddiet: 03:05:880 - same ending like the previous one, kdddkdkkd and so on
17:15 Rev_deaddiet: on these parts
17:16 Fblade: for all those streams right?
17:16 Rev_deaddiet: yeah
17:16 Fblade: okeh
17:16 Rev_deaddiet: but it's your creation so you can choose
17:16 Fblade: just those 2
17:16 Fblade: ye
17:16 Fblade: but it sounds better indeed
17:16 Rev_deaddiet: I mean I'm just a pleb wandering inside your map it's not like I know what I'm doing
17:16 Rev_deaddiet: 03:16:915 - there ar more parts here
17:16 Rev_deaddiet: like those
17:17 Fblade: ye
17:17 Fblade: I changed them already
17:17 Rev_deaddiet: 03:23:639 -
17:18 Rev_deaddiet: this note sounds off with the music
17:18 Rev_deaddiet: I mean
17:18 Rev_deaddiet: it should be a blue one?
17:18 Rev_deaddiet: hang on gonna make some adjustments and puush this, too much text
17:19 Rev_deaddiet: http://puu.sh/oktF2/5d814741f5.jpg try this
17:19 Rev_deaddiet: and listhun
17:19 Fblade: making a blue one out of that sounds good
17:20 Rev_deaddiet: if you want I can check the entire stream but it's kinda long
17:20 Rev_deaddiet: and idk if my suggestions are any good
17:21 Rev_deaddiet: if you want I can make a seperate difficulty with just that stream edited and give it to you, for convienence?
17:21 Rev_deaddiet: i can't engrish
17:21 Fblade: well
17:21 Fblade: that one K was good
17:21 Fblade: and I edited some stuff
17:21 Fblade: but I can't do ctrl + z anymore
17:22 Fblade: which means I forgot what it was before
17:22 Rev_deaddiet: there's no turning back now
17:22 Rev_deaddiet: hang on I can puush it
17:22 Rev_deaddiet: before its changed
17:22 Fblade: okeh
17:22 Rev_deaddiet: http://puu.sh/oktSJ/4e23961b9b.jpg this should be it
17:23 Rev_deaddiet: I'm gonna edit it later and sent it to you, since it's quite a long stream
17:25 Fblade: tyty
17:25 Rev_deaddiet: 04:15:994 (473) - its the d d d d 1/3 again, idk if you'd change it or not
17:25 Fblade: yeah
17:25 Fblade: anything else after the stream?
17:25 Rev_deaddiet: not sure
17:26 Fblade: it's the same as the beginning
17:26 Rev_deaddiet: 03:34:673 - maybe that one to blue? idk
17:26 Fblade: blue is good
17:27 Rev_deaddiet: 03:35:277 - try blue here
17:27 Rev_deaddiet: that note
17:29 Fblade: ye
17:29 Fblade: good
17:29 Fblade: and I think that was all to be modded
17:29 Rev_deaddiet: k i reached the end
17:29 Fblade: the ending is pretty much the same
17:29 Rev_deaddiet: yeah
17:30 Fblade: do /savelog
17:30 Fblade: and reply <3
17:30 Rev_deaddiet: idk if I helped or made it worse
17:30 Rev_deaddiet: alright
Catgirl
472 posts
Joined June 2013
Catgirl
irc mod
22:59 Fblade: Helloo, I've made a taiko map and I'm looking for people to mod/playtest it, are you maybe interested?
23:00 Catgirl: uh sure
23:00 Catgirl: send it c:
23:00 *Fblade is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/949871 Camellia - dreamless wanderer]
23:00 Catgirl: i'll playtest, i suck at modding though
23:00 Fblade: ^ finished
23:00 *Fblade is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1045272 Camellia - Liquated]
23:00 Fblade: ^ unfinished xd
23:00 Catgirl: first one looks like fun stuff for me maybe
23:00 Catgirl: we'll see
23:07 Catgirl: hmm
23:07 Catgirl: i'm bad at some of the 1/6 patterns but that was pretty fun
23:07 Fblade: :3
23:07 Catgirl: should have expected more awkward stuff seeing as it was camellia lol
23:07 Catgirl: only one spot was weird to read, let me see if i can find it
23:08 Catgirl: i think 02:57:604 that slowdown being instant on that note, i misread the pattern
23:09 Catgirl: wait why did it link the whole thing
23:09 Fblade: xd
23:09 Fblade: oh
23:09 Fblade: I think I did it 1 too early
23:09 Catgirl: and there was like one other pattern i didn't like much in the long stream that i'll look over and check
23:09 Fblade: is it the kkkkk around the middle?
23:11 Catgirl: yeah
23:11 Fblade: I really need to adjust it somehow
23:11 Catgirl: not sure if kkkdk would make better sense
23:11 Catgirl: like it was fine to play, just patterns of 5 in the middle of a stream feel weird
23:11 Fblade: oh well
23:12 Fblade: kkkdk feels a lot better
23:12 Fblade: thanks for the little review :3
23:12 Catgirl: no prob
23:12 Catgirl: i suck at modding so that's about all i can do c:
23:12 Catgirl: point out what feels weird to play
23:12 Fblade: you're still in the changelog
23:12 Fblade: xd
23:12 Catgirl: ooh
23:12 Catgirl: lol nice
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23:20 Fblade: dreamless wanderer, what do you think about that map?
23:21 *Fblade is watching [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/949871 Camellia - dreamless wanderer [OniStep]] <Taiko> +Hidden
23:21 Fblade: 1RoHa_ doing first try HD
23:21 Fblade: wut
23:21 Fblade: and RRReol spectating
23:21 Fblade: .-.
23:21 Fblade: RR
23:21 Catgirl: dreamless wandered was cool
23:22 Catgirl: i hate OD7 cause i HR everything and 9.8 is hard lol
23:22 Catgirl: especially with that many 1/6
23:22 Catgirl: but it was fun
23:22 Catgirl: if you get it ranked it's gonna be like 700pp
23:22 Fblade: gotta try to get 12SP for the map
23:22 Fblade: to get it ranked
23:22 Fblade: ez700pp grind map :D
23:22 Fblade: still
23:22 Fblade: I think that the map is a little overweighted
23:23 Fblade: 6.63 stars
23:23 Catgirl: it is because the types of 1/6 patterns you used
23:23 Catgirl: there weren't many mixed into 1/4 streams
23:23 Fblade: are they that hard?
23:23 Fblade: I can play them
23:23 Catgirl: but you had a lot of kkkdddk
23:23 Catgirl: and some weirder ones like i think kddkkkd
23:23 Fblade: oh
23:23 Catgirl: they played fine but they're weighted higher
23:23 Catgirl: than just kkkkkkd
23:23 Fblade: I see I see
Ney
120 posts
Joined February 2015
Ney
irc mod
23:23 n1doking: hello
23:24 Fblade: heyo
23:24 *n1doking is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/949871 Camellia - dreamless wanderer [OniStep]] <Taiko>
23:25 Fblade: oh O:
23:25 n1doking: you're accepting IRC mods on this map, right
23:28 Fblade: yeah
23:29 n1doking: surprisingly fun map
23:29 Fblade: :D
23:29 n1doking: camellia's kinda hard to map to in taiko imo
23:29 Fblade: yup
23:29 n1doking: but you made it work
23:29 n1doking: however
23:29 Fblade: but this song is not too hard to map
23:29 Fblade: however?
23:29 n1doking: there are some things i want to point out
23:30 Fblade: which kind of things are the issue about my map?
23:30 Fblade: 1/6 patterns? finishers?
23:30 Fblade: generally?
23:30 n1doking: i'll get to them eventually
23:30 n1doking: but anyway
23:30 n1doking: open the .osu file in notepad
23:31 n1doking: [http://i.imgur.com/cMFINts.png and fix slider multiplier]
23:31 Fblade: oh lol, I didn't notice
23:32 Fblade: I changed it,
23:32 n1doking: 00:40:449 - redundant green line
23:33 Fblade: removed it,
23:33 Fblade: but that means I'll have to remove those at the end too, right?
23:34 n1doking: if it doesn't fit a note maybe
23:34 Fblade: oh well, I just did them every 1/4 to decrease the SV
23:34 Fblade: let me remove the ones that have no use while you point out other things
23:34 n1doking: aight
23:35 n1doking: 00:48:811 (30,31,32,33,34,35,36) - ddkkkkk? would fit the pitch of this trill
23:36 Fblade: sounds good
23:36 n1doking: oh yeah, apologies if some of my suggestions are bad
23:36 n1doking: for some reason my computer is outputing speaker quality sound through my headphones
23:37 n1doking: which is always fun (not)
23:37 Fblade: but the ddkkkkk is a good suggestion
23:37 n1doking: i guess but anyway
23:37 n1doking: 00:52:087 (51,52,53,54) - i don't hear 1/6, maybe change to 1/4 ddk
23:38 Fblade: (I've changed all the 4 kkkkkkk s to --> ddkkkkk)
23:38 n1doking: cool
23:38 n1doking: ignore last suggestion i made
23:38 Fblade: I was not agreeing with it anyway
23:39 Fblade: for me it sounds like a 1/6
23:39 n1doking: 00:53:638 (63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - kdkkddk, will fit pitch of the synth
23:40 Fblade: sounds good
23:40 n1doking: 01:04:672 (140,141,142,143,144,145,146) - same here
23:41 Fblade: I've done them all already
23:41 n1doking: nice
23:41 n1doking: 01:07:087 (162) - could change to k to really bring out the the finish it builds up to
23:42 Fblade: sounds good,
23:42 Fblade: 00:56:053 (85) -
23:42 Fblade: also here?
23:43 n1doking: sure
23:43 n1doking: 01:17:690 (194,195) - i don't hear anything this double maps to
23:44 Fblade: all the doubles?
23:44 n1doking: not all the doubles
23:44 n1doking: just that one in particular
23:44 n1doking: i can understand the integration of the doubles for background bass, but i just don't hear it on that one
23:45 Fblade: oh
23:45 n1doking: also here 01:19:070 (201,202) -
23:45 n1doking: 01:24:415 - add a d here to keep the theme of the bass
23:45 Fblade: basically removing the doubles without the background bass?
23:45 n1doking: yes
23:46 n1doking: eveyrthing after note 202 is fine regarding doubles
23:46 Fblade: 01:27:173 -
23:46 n1doking: yeah was about to get to that
23:46 Fblade: I've noticed that that spot needs a double, right?
23:46 n1doking: yeah
23:46 n1doking: and remove 01:27:346 (243) -
23:47 Fblade: done it
23:48 n1doking: 01:30:018 (254,255,256) - could make this into 1/4 ddddk for background whatever that instrument is
23:48 Fblade: sure
23:49 n1doking: 01:35:535 (288,289,290) - same thing here
23:49 Fblade: 4 times right
23:49 Fblade: done them
23:49 n1doking: nice
23:49 Fblade: or 2 times?
23:49 n1doking: let me check
23:50 n1doking: yeah i'd say do it 4 times
23:50 n1doking: breaks repetition and plays well
23:50 Fblade: done it
23:51 n1doking: you made this into ddkdd?
23:51 n1doking: 01:40:880 (321,322,323) -
23:51 Fblade: just question
23:51 Fblade: what are those stream reffering to?
23:52 n1doking: background instrument that i don't know name of
23:52 Fblade: oh
23:52 n1doking: but it's present in the parts i linked
23:52 Fblade: yeah
23:52 Fblade: only there, right?
23:52 Fblade: since the build up differs after
23:53 n1doking: yeah
23:53 Fblade: 01:42:259 -
23:53 Fblade: or another one here?
23:53 Fblade: or should I just leave it like that?
23:53 n1doking: don't hear that instrument there so just leave it
23:53 Fblade: sure
23:54 n1doking: minor suggestion, but
23:54 n1doking: 01:53:064 (425) - maybe change to d to follow pitch?
23:54 Fblade: sure
23:54 n1doking: same for 01:55:765 (446) -
23:55 n1doking: and here 01:58:581 (471) -
23:55 Fblade: so all the dkkk --> ddkk and the kkkd --> kkdd?
23:55 n1doking: maybe
23:55 n1doking: want to check all of those 1/6 quads first
23:55 Fblade: yeah
23:55 Fblade: 02:04:098 (518) -
23:55 n1doking: yep
23:55 Fblade: 02:10:995 (576) -
23:56 Fblade: 02:10:995 (576) -
23:56 Fblade: this one not
23:56 n1doking: yeah just leave it as is
23:56 Fblade: so back to the begin of the kiai
23:58 n1doking: 02:18:984 (641) - not sure i hear anything justifying a finisher, remove finish
23:58 n1doking: 02:17:604 (629) - same
23:58 n1doking: 02:22:087 (669) - same
23:59 Fblade: done
23:59 n1doking: 02:23:121 (677) - same
00:00 n1doking: 02:23:466 (679,680,681) - same
00:00 n1doking: your use of finishers is weird tbh
00:00 n1doking: 02:24:846 (685) - can be made a finisher
00:00 Fblade: oh well
00:01 Fblade: first map
00:01 n1doking: what
00:01 n1doking: this is your first map?
00:01 Fblade: yeah
00:01 n1doking: dayum
00:01 n1doking: pretty good for a first map
00:01 Fblade: xd
00:01 n1doking: 02:27:604 (713) - remove finish
00:03 n1doking: 02:32:777 (750) - feel like this could be made as a finisher
00:03 n1doking: since it's a big stop to the kiai
00:03 Fblade: yeah
00:03 Fblade: nicu
00:03 Fblade: changed them all
00:04 n1doking: 02:45:190 (67) - change to k as pitch is still quite high
00:04 Fblade: changed them
00:04 Fblade: it*
00:04 n1doking: 02:56:225 (59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75) -
00:05 n1doking: whole stream could be kdddkdddkkddkkkkk
00:05 Fblade: sure
00:06 n1doking: 03:00:018 (88,89,90,91,92) - kdddk
00:06 n1doking: don't hear anything justifying kd'kk'd
00:07 Fblade: changed them,
00:07 n1doking: 03:00:708 (94) -
00:07 n1doking: 03:00:880 (95) -
00:07 n1doking: 03:01:225 (97) -
00:07 n1doking: remove finish
00:08 n1doking: 03:03:121 (112) - same
00:08 n1doking: 03:05:535 (131) - same
00:09 n1doking: 03:06:915 (143) - same
00:09 n1doking: 03:08:294 (155) - same
00:10 n1doking: 03:10:363 - maybe add a k here so it reads and flows better
00:10 n1doking: 03:10:880 (177,178,179) - remove finish
00:10 n1doking: 03:13:380 (195) - same
00:11 n1doking: 03:11:915 (184) - same
00:12 n1doking: 03:14:846 (205) - same
00:12 Fblade: I've placed so many finishers
00:12 Fblade: LOL
00:12 n1doking: no kidding lmao
00:12 n1doking: 03:16:570 (218) - same
00:13 n1doking: 03:17:949 (230) - same
00:13 n1doking: 03:19:328 (242) - same
00:13 Fblade: ok
00:13 Fblade: that part is done
00:13 n1doking: deathstream time
00:13 Fblade: the finishers
00:13 n1doking: 03:23:638 (43) - change to k for background instrument i also don't know name of
00:13 n1doking: electronic chime thing
00:13 n1doking: 03:23:811 (45) - nothing justifying k here, change to d
00:14 n1doking: 03:26:655 (78) - double note here?
00:14 n1doking: either that or i must've placed an extra note
00:15 Fblade: it was kdddk there
00:15 Fblade: so kkddk?
00:15 n1doking: no like
00:15 n1doking: on that specific timestamp are two notes on top of each other
00:15 Fblade: oh
00:15 Fblade: not for me
00:15 n1doking: yeah i must've done something with it
00:16 n1doking: 03:26:570 (77) - change to d, same as 45
00:16 n1doking: 03:29:328 (109) - change to k, chime is still going on here
00:16 n1doking: 03:31:656 (136) - same
00:16 n1doking: brb, toilet
00:19 n1doking: back
00:19 Fblade: welcome back
00:19 n1doking: lmao thanks
00:20 n1doking: 03:32:777 (144,145,146,147,148,149,150) - i don't hear anything to map 1/6 to
00:20 n1doking: maybe either remove 148 and 149, or turn into 1/4 ddddk
00:20 n1doking: 03:34:501 (160) - remove finish
00:21 Fblade: I've put a 1/6 there to end the deathstream with
00:21 Fblade: or like
00:21 n1doking: 03:33:639 (152,153,154) - remove finish
00:21 Fblade: weqw
00:21 Fblade: so
00:21 Fblade: 03:32:777 (144,145,146,147) -
00:21 Fblade: those 1/6 are left
00:21 Fblade: 148 and 149 are gone
00:21 Fblade: and then k?
00:22 n1doking: yeah
00:22 n1doking: 03:34:846 (162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169) - ctrl+g this entire selection
00:22 Fblade: what is ctrl+g?
00:22 n1doking: 03:35:880 (172) - remove finish
00:23 n1doking: ctrl+g reverse a selection of notes
00:23 n1doking: so dkkkdkkd would become dkkdkkkd
00:23 Fblade: oh
00:23 n1doking: 03:37:259 (182) - remove finish
00:23 n1doking: 03:38:639 (193) - remove finish
00:24 Fblade: and then it repeats again,
00:24 Fblade: the beginning
00:24 n1doking: yeah
00:25 Fblade: anything left about the kiai parts etc>
00:25 n1doking: yeah
00:25 Fblade: or 04:28:639 -
00:25 Fblade: there?
00:25 n1doking: still trying to figure out how to word it
00:25 n1doking: finisher spam section starting at 03:38:984 (195,196) -
00:25 n1doking: 03:38:984 (195,196) -
00:25 n1doking: 03:39:501 (198,199,200) -
00:26 n1doking: 03:40:190 (202,203,204) -
00:26 n1doking: 03:40:880 (206,207,208) -
00:26 n1doking: all finishers should be removed
00:26 Fblade: waaait
00:26 Fblade: I'm a little confused
00:26 Fblade: since, 195, 196 might not be the same as yours
00:26 Fblade: 03:39:328 (195,196) -
00:27 Fblade: are those 2 blue ones?
00:27 n1doking: red
00:27 n1doking: for me
00:27 Fblade: oh
00:27 n1doking: just delete all finishers in timestamps provided
00:28 Fblade: done
00:28 n1doking: 03:43:466 (232,233,234) - change to 1/6 kkkk for continuity
00:29 n1doking: for rough synth
00:29 Fblade: which ones?
00:29 Fblade: oh wiat nvm
00:29 Fblade: got it
00:29 n1doking: doesn't matter what note numbers appear
00:29 n1doking: just has to be timestamp
00:30 Fblade: but it will be like
00:30 Fblade: (kkkk)dkk(kkkk)kddk
00:30 Fblade: right?
00:30 n1doking: ?
00:30 n1doking: weird
00:30 n1doking: way i have it would be (kkkk)d(kkkk)dkdddk
00:31 n1doking: or actually kkddk on last 5 notes
00:31 n1doking: 03:45:708 (248,249) - remove finish
00:31 n1doking: 03:47:259 (261) - sam
00:31 n1doking: e
00:31 n1doking: 03:48:639 (271) - same
00:31 n1doking: 03:51:398 (295) - same
00:31 n1doking: 03:52:777 (306) - same
00:31 n1doking: 03:54:501 (319) - same
00:31 n1doking: 03:55:190 (323) - same
00:32 n1doking: a note on finisher overuse is that finishers are finishers, and are usually supposed to emphasize a loud part of the song
00:32 n1doking: too many finishers would make the map too loud imo
00:32 Fblade: xd
00:32 Fblade: true
00:33 n1doking: 03:58:294 (347) - remove finish
00:33 n1doking: 04:03:812 (394) - add finish
00:34 n1doking: 04:07:432 (411) - remove finish
00:34 n1doking: 04:08:294 (414) - same
00:34 n1doking: 04:09:328 (420) - same
00:34 n1doking: 04:11:052 (436) - same
00:34 n1doking: 04:11:656 - add a d here
00:35 n1doking: xylophone sounding synth starts at the k before
00:35 n1doking: 04:13:035 (447) - remove finish
00:35 Fblade: yup
00:35 n1doking: 04:14:846 (460) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:16:569 (478) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:17:259 (482) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:19:329 (491) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:22:087 (513) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:24:070 (524) - same
00:36 n1doking: 04:28:294 (559) - same
00:37 n1doking: 04:27:604 (555) - same
00:38 n1doking: 04:37:949 (615,616,617) - random 1/4 here needs to be fixed to 1/2 d k
00:38 n1doking: actually 1/2 d d
00:38 n1doking: since it breaks the pattern entirely
00:38 Fblade: that should be it, right?
00:38 n1doking: yeah
00:38 n1doking: apart from the 1/4 sv's
00:38 n1doking: which you said you'd fix
00:39 n1doking: man
00:39 n1doking: that was way more than 'a few things' lmfao
00:39 Fblade: 04:37:949 -
00:39 Fblade: this dkd
00:39 Fblade: in the background
00:40 Fblade: oh wait
00:40 n1doking: if you want to keep the 1/4 dkd
00:40 n1doking: you'd have to apply it to the same 3 sections before it
00:40 n1doking: which actually
00:40 Fblade: you're right
00:40 n1doking: add the 1/4 dkd to previous 3 sections
00:40 Fblade: or
00:40 n1doking: would make the end less repetitive
00:42 Fblade: dod ot
00:42 Fblade: did it*
00:42 Fblade: and 1/4 sv"s
00:42 Fblade: what about it?
00:42 Fblade: I said that I was going to fix the SV overlap but I might be wrong about what a good SV change is
00:43 n1doking: talking about [http://i.imgur.com/TBOKIYZ.png the green lines here]
00:43 n1doking: basically anything not snapped to a note should be removed
00:43 Fblade: oh those
00:43 Fblade: I removed them already
00:43 n1doking: aight
00:43 n1doking: that should do it for my mod
00:44 Fblade: just pointing some things out
00:44 Fblade: 40 minutes mod
00:44 Fblade: :D
00:44 n1doking: lmfao
00:44 n1doking: 40 minutes, hell
00:44 n1doking: first suggestion to last was 73 minutes
00:45 n1doking: anyway
00:45 n1doking: good luck on your map!
00:45 n1doking: will be posting this log to map thread
00:45 Fblade: Thank you!

tl;dr - too many finishers, fixed that
Nofool
Elite Mapper
1,102 posts
Joined February 2011
Nofool
not sure why onistep but dreamless oni sounds lame so oke

[Onistep]
* - 00:07:144 (5,6,7) - the correct thing would be dddk 1/6 instead of ddk, there are 4 sound. You can clearly hear the last k note at - 00:07:317 -. but i suggest only keeping a d ar - 00:07:173 - and a k at - 00:07:259 -, because it fits the way you mapped the same sound later on at - 00:40:277 (71,72) -. Following that whole weak sound can also be argued since - 00:01:742 (2) - etc is alone while there is more than one sound.
* - 00:18:179 (12,13,14) - ^.
* - 00:44:501 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - not smooth, you can't use 0,02 - 0,03 - 0,02 if you want to get a clean speed up. Try this :
0,84 - 0,86 - 0,88 - 0,90 - 0,92 - 0,95 - 0,98 - 1,01 - 1,04 => first slow half + 0,02 then second + 0,03 each note. Looks much smoother.
* - 01:03:294 (128,129,130,131,132) - looks weird, should be more similar to - 00:52:087 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57) -.
* - 01:24:673 - would add d here and possibly move - 01:24:501 (226) - to - 01:24:328 -. Def plays cooler by adding a d there and it also reflects - 01:26:915 (237,238,239,240,241) -.
* - 01:40:363 - from here to - 01:48:639 - i would've made a clean speed up with new SV every note (well every 2, 3 or 4 note since the speed up is pretty slow still), then i can't tell whats best for the slow down, might look better as it is.
* - 01:50:708 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420) - refer to what i said for earlier same pattern. + 0,02 first half then + 0,03 second half for each note. You wanna reach 1,15 so :
0,93 - 0,95 - 0,97 - 0,99 - 1,01 - 1,03 - 1,06 - 1,09 - 1,12 - 1,15;
0,93 being actually closer to previous note at 0,90.
* - 02:06:570 (535,536,537,538,539,540,541) - should probably be d dddk, sounds like - 01:55:535 (450,451,452,453,454) -.
* - 02:12:087 (585) - hmm i wonder if removing this note would make the following ds cooler to play. Their effect seems better with a quick break before.
* - 02:15:018 (608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616) - well the snapping is wrong, i would not mind it since you follow that kinda sound the same way for the whole part, but people can easily complain about that :c. For example a normal k d kd (1/2 - 1/4) works well with drums here, in case you need to change them later.
* from - 02:46:139 - to - 02:51:656 -, speed ups are too brutal here imo, the song is more like progressive and so should be the SV. So yeah i would add much more SV line to get that speed up smoother.
* - 02:59:673 (84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92) - refer to other suggestions about that one.
* - 03:02:259 (105,106,107,108) - kd dk or dd dk fits more drums.
* - 03:10:133 (173,174,175,176) - uuuuh maybe d k k 2/3 would emphasize more the melody... what bothers me is that sound at - 03:10:363 -. Ignoring it seems sad but actual 1/3 seems too much.
* - 03:13:294 - well add something there or make the same at - 03:02:259 -.
* - 03:38:035 - sounds like there somewhat could be a d here, doesn't particularly change anything tho.
* - 03:59:674 (355,356,357,358,359,360,361) - refer to - 02:06:570 -.
* - 04:24:673 (526,527,528,529,530) - refer to - 01:03:294 -.
* - 04:28:811 (562) - hmm the slow down seems brutal here, i would at least extand it to around - 04:34:456 - and reach 0,75 there.
* - 04:56:800 (2,3,4) - well same thing i said at the beginning about those.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

I didn't get that much into patterns, consistent use of 1/6 but some are still questionable since song's snappings aren't clear. I personnaly don't mind as this is pretty cool to play in the end, but it probably won't be easy to rank.

good luck'
Fblade
49 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Fblade

Nofool wrote:

not sure why onistep but dreamless oni sounds lame so oke Oni + Dubstep --> OniStep

[Onistep]
* - 00:07:144 (5,6,7) - the correct thing would be dddk 1/6 instead of ddk, there are 4 sound. You can clearly hear the last k note at - 00:07:317 -. but i suggest only keeping a d ar - 00:07:173 - and a k at - 00:07:259 -, because it fits the way you mapped the same sound later on at - 00:40:277 (71,72) -. Following that whole weak sound can also be argued since - 00:01:742 (2) - etc is alone while there is more than one sound. Made a 1/6 dddk out of it, I just didn't notice the sound, also, -00:40:277 - is focused on different sounds, the ks are the hi hats and the ds are the melody.
* - 00:18:179 (12,13,14) - ^. ^
* - 00:44:501 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - not smooth, you can't use 0,02 - 0,03 - 0,02 if you want to get a clean speed up. Try this :
0,84 - 0,86 - 0,88 - 0,90 - 0,92 - 0,95 - 0,98 - 1,01 - 1,04 => first slow half + 0,02 then second + 0,03 each note. Looks much smoother. Changed it.
* - 01:03:294 (128,129,130,131,132) - looks weird, should be more similar to - 00:52:087 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57) -. 01:03:121 - Changed the 1/6 dddd to a 1/6 kkkd and added a 1/4 dd infront of it.
* - 01:24:673 - would add d here and possibly move - 01:24:501 (226) - to - 01:24:328 -. Def plays cooler by adding a d there and it also reflects - 01:26:915 (237,238,239,240,241) -. Changed it to what you've suggested.
* - 01:40:363 - from here to - 01:48:639 - i would've made a clean speed up with new SV every note (well every 2, 3 or 4 note since the speed up is pretty slow still), then i can't tell whats best for the slow down, might look better as it is. 01:40:363 - from here, SV 0,94, every 1/1 increasing by SV 0,01, and I made the slowdown a little bit smoother. (but the SV now ends with 0,85 after the slow down)
* - 01:50:708 (412,413,414,415,416,417,418,419,420) - refer to what i said for earlier same pattern. + 0,02 first half then + 0,03 second half for each note. You wanna reach 1,15 so :
0,93 - 0,95 - 0,97 - 0,99 - 1,01 - 1,03 - 1,06 - 1,09 - 1,12 - 1,15;
0,93 being actually closer to previous note at 0,90. Changed it.
* - 02:06:570 (535,536,537,538,539,540,541) - should probably be d dddk, sounds like - 01:55:535 (450,451,452,453,454) -. Changed it.
* - 02:12:087 (585) - hmm i wonder if removing this note would make the following ds cooler to play. Their effect seems better with a quick break before. Removed the d and made the volume build up at the 5 ds from 25% increasing with 15% each.
* - 02:15:018 (608,609,610,611,612,613,614,615,616) - well the snapping is wrong, i would not mind it since you follow that kinda sound the same way for the whole part, but people can easily complain about that :c. For example a normal k d kd (1/2 - 1/4) works well with drums here, in case you need to change them later. I'm leaving those patterns as a 1/6 kkd, since I feel like those sounds are mapped like that.
* from - 02:46:139 - to - 02:51:656 -, speed ups are too brutal here imo, the song is more like progressive and so should be the SV. So yeah i would add much more SV line to get that speed up smoother. 02:44:242 - started to build up from here until 02:46:570 - from SV 0,80 to SV 0,96. I also made a small speed up before that part, spreaded over the whole slow part. (over here 02:35:190 - ). Made the speed up and slow down smoother as well, like you suggested.
* - 02:59:673 (84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92) - refer to other suggestions about that one. For some reason, I already had it like you suggested.
* - 03:02:259 (105,106,107,108) - kd dk or dd dk fits more drums. Changed it to d dk, to make it the same as - 03:13:294 -.
* - 03:10:133 (173,174,175,176) - uuuuh maybe d k k 2/3 would emphasize more the melody... what bothers me is that sound at - 03:10:363 -. Ignoring it seems sad but actual 1/3 seems too much. Changed it to the d k k you suggested, I think I had it like that before but it I changed it because it got modded before, but I feel the same way as you do about that part.
* - 03:13:294 - well add something there or make the same at - 03:02:259 -. I made it the same as - 03:02:259 -.
* - 03:38:035 - sounds like there somewhat could be a d here, doesn't particularly change anything tho. Added a d there, feels better.
* - 03:59:674 (355,356,357,358,359,360,361) - refer to - 02:06:570 -. Changed it.
* - 04:24:673 (526,527,528,529,530) - refer to - 01:03:294 -. Changed it.
* - 04:28:811 (562) - hmm the slow down seems brutal here, i would at least extand it to around - 04:34:456 - and reach 0,75 there. Extended the slow down up to 04:39:673 -
* - 04:56:800 (2,3,4) - well same thing i said at the beginning about those. Changed it.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

I didn't get that much into patterns, consistent use of 1/6 but some are still questionable since song's snappings aren't clear. I personnaly don't mind as this is pretty cool to play in the end, but it probably won't be easy to rank.

good luck'

Thanks a lot, Nofool!
newyams99
694 posts
Joined December 2013
newyams99
Hey, just some quick thoughts from playing it once (since I liked the song) :D

Onistep

I found that you could put insert more hits cuz there's some places where you're missing some important sounds, especially in the louder non-kiai areas. Some examples include 00:47:259 and 00:52:777. It'll help the map flow a bit better.

00:07:144 (5,6,7,8) - You could probably delete hit 8 and just change hit 7 to a k. I realize the sound comes a bit later than 7, so you placed 8 to match to it. However, the melody isn't exactly on 8 either, so reducing this 1/6 pattern to 3 hits would suit better to the 3-note melody (I don't hear this 4 hit sound that NoFool hears x.x)

00:23:121 - Hitsounds were too quiet here. ~20% volume would work better.

00:42:604 - Quite a big volume jump from the last inherited point; I'd reduce it to ~30%.

00:54:328 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78) - I wouldn't recommend using stuff like this where it's a 1/6 dd to a dd that's in 1/4. It'd be easier to hit accurately if the hit where the pattern density change occur is a different colour from either the 1/6 or 1/4. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5927714 Maybe would work, but tbh using 1/6 here is kinda weird when there's so much similar sounding stuff right after the pattern that's all in 1/2 at 00:55:018 (78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85). 1/6 like 01:03:121 (127,128,129,130,131,132) makes more sense to place.

01:10:535 (174) - No k here?

01:26:225 (236,237,238) - Personally didn't feel like the finishers were necessary while playing the map.

01:40:363 (325) - Could definitely use a finisher after using it so often in the part before.

01:48:811 - Audio volume could be raised in this pattern. Also, the SV changes were unnecessary imo, and I didn't even notice it while I was playing.

01:51:915 - Missing a hit, I think. Same at 02:01:570.

01:56:915 (468) - I personally wouldn't use a finisher at the end of a 1/6 stream.

02:38:121 (18,19,20,21) - Would work as 1/3 starting at 02:38:064. Same at 02:49:156 (20,21,22,23).

02:57:777 (76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84) - You could make the exact same rhythm you had at 01:48:811 (400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414).

03:00:363 - For this whole section, I felt like you could increase the amount of 1/6 since there's basically none. As a result, the second kiai feels much easier than the first kiai, so you can try to create some 1/6 like you did in the first half of the first kiai.

04:49:932 (689,690,691,692,693,694) - The SV changes here makes it kinda weird to read imo.

K, that's most of the major stuff. The second half of the first kiai could be fixed to be a bit more playable cuz it's weird lel

:3 Good luck~
Fblade
49 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Fblade

newyams99 wrote:

Hey, just some quick thoughts from playing it once (since I liked the song) :D

Onistep

I found that you could put insert more hits cuz there's some places where you're missing some important sounds, especially in the louder non-kiai areas. Some examples include 00:47:259 and 00:52:777. It'll help the map flow a bit better. I've added a k to all those spots.

00:07:144 (5,6,7,8) - You could probably delete hit 8 and just change hit 7 to a k. I realize the sound comes a bit later than 7, so you placed 8 to match to it. However, the melody isn't exactly on 8 either, so reducing this 1/6 pattern to 3 hits would suit better to the 3-note melody (I don't hear this 4 hit sound that NoFool hears x.x) Changed it back to 1/6 ddk, there is indeed no 4 hit sound, I heard it and now I do not hear it anymore.

00:23:121 - Hitsounds were too quiet here. ~20% volume would work better. I've changed the volume of all the hi hats to 20%, at the build up.

00:42:604 - Quite a big volume jump from the last inherited point; I'd reduce it to ~30%. Changed it.

00:54:328 (70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78) - I wouldn't recommend using stuff like this where it's a 1/6 dd to a dd that's in 1/4. It'd be easier to hit accurately if the hit where the pattern density change occur is a different colour from either the 1/6 or 1/4. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5927714 Maybe would work, but tbh using 1/6 here is kinda weird when there's so much similar sounding stuff right after the pattern that's all in 1/2 at 00:55:018 (78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85). 1/6 like 01:03:121 (127,128,129,130,131,132) makes more sense to place. I changed those 4 patterns to what you've suggested, but then dd(kkkd)dk[, also the one at 01:05:363 - , it's the same sound.

01:10:535 (174) - No k here? Changed that, also changed 01:13:294 - to d

01:26:225 (236,237,238) - Personally didn't feel like the finishers were necessary while playing the map. Removed them.

01:40:363 (325) - Could definitely use a finisher after using it so often in the part before. Added finisher.

01:48:811 - Audio volume could be raised in this pattern. Also, the SV changes were unnecessary imo, and I didn't even notice it while I was playing. Raised the volume to 45% there. I'm leaving the SV as it is there, it's just some detail in the map.

01:51:915 - Missing a hit, I think. Same at 02:01:570. Added a k (both places)

01:56:915 (468) - I personally wouldn't use a finisher at the end of a 1/6 stream. I would prefer to let it be there because that one sound is also over here: 01:54:156 - 01:54:156 - 01:59:673 - 02:02:432 - etc, it would feel strange if I left 1 out when I use the finisher for the same sound on all the spots.

02:38:121 (18,19,20,21) - Would work as 1/3 starting at 02:38:064. Same at 02:49:156 (20,21,22,23). Changed those.

02:57:777 (76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84) - You could make the exact same rhythm you had at 01:48:811 (400,401,402,403,404,405,406,407,408,409,410,411,412,413,414). Changed it, I wasn't sure which sound to use but the first one sounds good there. | EDIT: I changed it back to the old one, I feel like focusing on that sound makes a good transition to the second kiai.

03:00:363 - For this whole section, I felt like you could increase the amount of 1/6 since there's basically none. As a result, the second kiai feels much easier than the first kiai, so you can try to create some 1/6 like you did in the first half of the first kiai. The second kiai is more likely focused on the melody in the background. But I'll keep it in mind, if I have inspiration, I could try figuring out how to add some 1/6 while still bringing out the melody a lot.

04:49:932 (689,690,691,692,693,694) - The SV changes here makes it kinda weird to read imo. Spreaded out the SV a little bit and added more timesections there.

K, that's most of the major stuff. The second half of the first kiai could be fixed to be a bit more playable cuz it's weird lel THE SONG IS WEIRD THERE D:

:3 Good luck~
Thanks a lot newyams99!
Fblade
49 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Fblade
<strong>Nofool</strong> modded the changes of the map.
Chatlog
17:33 Fblade: oy
17:34 Fblade: in the mood for the playtest on my map? since you didn't get to the second kiai last time o:
17:34 Nofool: ha yeah i did play it again
17:34 Fblade: oh
17:34 Fblade: so, what do you think?
17:35 Nofool: as far as i remember i think theres like one thing that plays weird to me
17:35 Fblade: where?
17:36 Nofool: 00:48:811 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38) -
17:36 Nofool: 00:54:328 (73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81) -
17:36 Nofool: those 2
17:36 Nofool: are being repeated several time
17:36 Fblade: the new snaps,
17:36 Fblade: well yeah
17:36 Fblade: tasuke told me that some snaps were incorrect
17:36 Fblade: so I checked through all of them
17:36 Nofool: i dont yet what to suggest else but i personnaly dont like how it plays
17:36 Fblade: tried to made different snaps
17:36 Nofool: dont know*
17:37 Fblade: if I remove 1 k and adjust the timing of the remaining k d d?
17:38 Fblade: or hm
17:39 Nofool: wich k
17:39 Fblade: 00:49:098 -
17:39 Fblade: changed this one to d actually
17:40 Fblade: instead of ddkkkk
17:40 Fblade: it's ddkkkd
17:40 Fblade: and the remaining part stays the same
17:41 Nofool: tbh the first one plays kinda ok both way
17:41 Nofool: thats the remaining one that bothers me more
17:41 Fblade: so the slow down?
17:41 Fblade: or like
17:41 Nofool: like it doesnt fit whats next
17:41 Fblade: 1/6 --> 1/4
17:41 Fblade: hm
17:42 Nofool: 00:54:673 - from here to - 00:54:932 -
17:42 Nofool: i think so this specific transition
17:42 Nofool: is weird
17:42 Fblade: I have to use the same 1/6 for all those spots
17:43 Fblade: so I could change the remaining part on all of the spots
17:43 Nofool: the 1/6 seems fine
17:43 Nofool: i wonder about that last k
17:43 Nofool: 00:54:846 (81) -
17:43 Nofool: this definitely sounds weird imo
17:43 Nofool: but cant tell if it's better to keep or remove
17:43 Nofool: like whats more weird between a break or this k
17:44 Fblade: I was just wondering, since I wanted to make a contrast between that patterns and 00:54:846 - to 00:56:225 -
17:45 Fblade: oh wait
17:45 Fblade: is there no sound at that k?
17:45 Nofool: pretty much no sound
17:45 Fblade: missmapping allover the placeeeeee
17:45 Nofool: i mean no sounds that starts there
17:45 Fblade: let me think
17:45 Nofool: still some wub sounds extending until there but uh
17:46 Fblade: I could make a volume contrast there
17:46 Fblade: 00:55:018 - starting with 60% volume
17:46 Fblade: 00:56:225 - ending with 100% volume
17:47 Fblade: increasing 5% each
17:47 Nofool: but what do you do with the k
17:47 Nofool: right before
17:47 Fblade: removed it
17:47 Nofool: volum change is just some bonus there
17:47 Nofool: ho ok
17:47 Fblade: I thought you meant like
17:47 Fblade: the snap is wrong
17:48 Fblade: so I'm changing them back to ddkkkkd d
17:48 Nofool: yes and no
17:48 Nofool: thats what i would do i think but, not exactly sure that this break is better lol
17:49 Nofool: well looks ok anyways
17:53 Fblade: oh well
17:54 Fblade: but is that k the only thing that bothered you?
17:54 Nofool: i guess so
17:54 Fblade: 03:22:432 -
17:54 Fblade: what about this section btw?
17:54 Fblade: until 03:33:466 -
17:55 Nofool: if you are talking about respecting the exact snapping there something else that is wrong and noticeable but i think i pointed it out already
17:55 Fblade: I had to remap the whole thing there
17:55 Nofool: 03:23:064 (35) -
17:56 Nofool: reason for this being on 1/6 ?
17:56 Nofool: the 1/4 sound right before is high
17:57 Nofool: 03:25:708 (57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) -
17:57 Nofool: this sounds correct
17:57 Nofool: thats what i just did for 03:22:949 (34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41) -
17:57 Fblade: If I move the that first d to 03:23:035 (35) -
17:58 Fblade: or do I have to move the pattern at 3:25:708 to 03:22:949 -
17:58 Fblade: ?
17:58 Nofool: a must i think yeah
17:59 Fblade: oh wait, what I just asked is the exact same thing
17:59 Nofool: 03:23:035 (35) - i think at least put the d here
17:59 Nofool: then u decide if you change the previous to k
17:59 Nofool: i guess i would do it
17:59 Fblade: I changed the previous one to k
18:01 Nofool: id preobably move - 03:28:380 (84) - to - 03:28:553 -
18:01 Nofool: to avoid that 2/3 break and there an high sound there too
18:02 Nofool: and logic would be to do the same for 03:29:759 (99,100,101) -
18:02 Fblade: well yeah
18:02 Fblade: btw
18:02 Fblade: dd or kd?
18:02 Nofool: 03:29:759 (99) - would remove this one, change the following note to d, and add k at - 03:30:104 -
18:02 Nofool: hmm dd sounds ok to me
18:02 Nofool: either dd or kd anyways
18:02 Nofool: o u said kd
18:03 Nofool: uh
18:04 Nofool: if you do kd
18:05 Nofool: maybe remove - 03:27:259 (73) -
18:05 Nofool: because thats the same sound again
18:05 Nofool: and there you already used kd
18:05 Nofool: kd seems to fit more what you already did at those parts
18:06 Fblade: sounds good
18:10 Fblade: alright
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GOGO RANK!!
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12:38 Nepuri: o/
12:38 Nepuri: Ready to mod :D
12:38 Fblade: \o
12:39 Fblade: gimme dat mod
12:39 Nepuri: sure
12:39 Nepuri: testplay ^^
12:39 Nepuri: first
12:44 Fblade: gogogo
12:44 Nepuri: :D
12:44 Fblade: :D
12:44 Nepuri: you loggin?
12:44 Nepuri: xD
12:44 Nepuri: too lazy
12:44 Fblade: I just do ./savelog
12:44 Nepuri: oooo
12:44 Nepuri: noice
12:44 Nepuri: ty
12:44 Fblade: whenever we are done
12:45 Fblade: but you have to make the post though
12:45 Fblade: xd
12:46 Nepuri: yea
12:46 Nepuri: ^^
12:47 Nepuri: 01:23:639 (227) - why is this k?
12:47 Nepuri: its doenst really fit with your previous mapping
12:47 Nepuri: and should be d
12:47 Fblade: I think I missmapped there , or felt like the melody was going on there
12:47 Nepuri: its like 01:19:156 (205,206,207,208,209,210) -  but with the doublet having 2 more notes, and a double at the start
12:47 Nepuri: oh yea
12:47 Fblade: but it counter the previous stuff indeed
12:48 Nepuri: cant hear anything special, apart from the ding
12:48 Fblade: d is good there
12:48 Fblade: change dit.
12:48 Fblade: changed it*
12:48 Nepuri: ok
12:48 Nepuri: 01:37:346 (309) - i suggest you put this as a k
12:49 Nepuri: to form a kkd so it makes your dkdkkdkddkdkk beat pattern more audible
12:49 Nepuri: kdd puts more emphasis on the d'
12:49 Nepuri: than on the k
12:49 Fblade: sure
12:51 Nepuri: just a little suggestion here
12:51 Nepuri: 02:14:501 (606,607,608,609,610,611,612) - 
12:51 Nepuri: the dddkkkd's dont flow very nicely as most ppl know
12:52 Nepuri: to fit in with the kkd's you have (which flow very nicely) you can make that pattern a ddddkkd or something that flows much better
12:52 Nepuri: similar to what you did 02:15:880 (622,623,624,625,626,627,628) - here
12:52 Fblade: well
12:53 Fblade: hmm
12:53 Fblade: the snap feels a little off if I change it to ddddkkd
12:53 Nepuri: what do you mean by snap?
12:54 Fblade: that it goes from d to k too late
12:54 Fblade: the transition from d to k
12:54 Nepuri: ah
12:54 Nepuri: its pretty much gliding across
12:54 Nepuri: both things are okay tho
12:54 Fblade: I'm keeping dddkkkd there,
12:55 Nepuri: just a little suggestion to make it fit with the flow all the other 1/6 provide
12:55 Nepuri: okay sure
12:56 Nepuri: 02:15:880 (622,623,624,625,626,627,628) - those ones are mapped on pitch of the 1/6 wobs, no?
12:56 Fblade: yeah
12:56 Nepuri: i suggest a pattern that follows the pitch more snappily
12:56 Nepuri: like
12:57 Nepuri: you took kddkkkd because thats the overall drift of the pitch
12:57 Nepuri: its flows pretty nice, but i cant see the reason of the k at the start
12:57 Fblade: It was dddkkkd before, but that would be repetitive
12:57 Nepuri: ah
12:57 Nepuri: lemme find a pattern that would fit
12:57 Fblade: having dddkkkd and kkd as the only 1/6 patterns there
12:58 Fblade: also, can I brb for lunch?
12:58 Fblade: gotta eat pancakes q-q
12:58 Nepuri: yea sure
12:58 Nepuri: i suggest  dkkdkkd tho
12:58 Nepuri: :D
12:58 Fblade: I'll be back in 10-20 minutes
12:58 Nepuri: oki
12:58 Fblade: dkkdkkd hard pattern xd
12:58 Nepuri: call me back
12:58 Fblade: I'll think about it
12:58 Fblade: brb
12:58 Nepuri: ik but dddkkkd even harder xD
12:58 Nepuri: oki hf
13:08 Fblade: And I'm back
13:08 Nepuri: ok
13:08 Fblade: dkkdkkd seems good to me
13:08 Nepuri: seperate suggestion from dkkdkkd would be dkkkkkd, which is pretty nicely alternateable too
13:09 Nepuri: but lets not get into detail
13:09 Fblade: I tried to prevent long 1/6 things
13:09 Nepuri: so you can farm own maps :^)
13:09 Nepuri: nah i feel ya
13:09 Nepuri: please apply  for all the repetitions of that pattern :D
13:10 Fblade: did it
13:10 Nepuri: oki
13:11 Nepuri: 02:48:984 (19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27) - 
13:12 Nepuri: hm, i dont quite know if this emphasis is worthy of it because you started mapping to the beat just a few measures before
13:12 Nepuri: since the 1/3 and 1/6 are less audible at this point
13:13 Fblade: hm
13:13 Fblade: is there any suggestion you have in mind?
13:13 Nepuri: maybe keep the note placement and hitsound to beat?
13:13 Nepuri: okay that sounds ugly
13:13 Nepuri: i guess yours is the best for now
13:13 Fblade: xd
13:14 Fblade: I'll keep it at this for now
13:14 Nepuri: ye
13:14 Nepuri: 03:00:363 (91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98) - finishers xd
13:14 Fblade: I've placed finishers there for the melody
13:15 Fblade: strong melody in the begin
13:15 Nepuri: wait lemme listen in
13:15 Nepuri: brb
13:15 Nepuri: my spaghetti is done xd
13:15 Nepuri: 5 mins tops
13:15 Fblade: enjoy x
13:15 Fblade: xd
13:17 Nepuri: ok my bro gave them to me xD
13:17 Nepuri: oook
13:17 Nepuri: the finisher sounds are present in the whole half of the kiai tho
13:17 Fblade: I've had finishers in the whole kiai before
13:18 Fblade: wasn't allowed to overmap the finishers from some other modders
13:18 Nepuri: yea
13:18 Nepuri: if you make a hard map
13:18 Nepuri: and decide to finisher spam
13:18 Nepuri: wheres the 1/4 gonna go?
13:18 Fblade: that's why I kept it at the first few things of the melody
13:18 Nepuri: http://puu.sh/rfkTq/04d833a02c.jpg
13:19 Nepuri: heres a suggestion what you might put there apart from finishers
13:19 Nepuri: the finishers are mapped 'disconnected' from the rest tho
13:19 Fblade: you mean putting a finishers at 93?
13:19 Nepuri: nah
13:19 Fblade: oh wait
13:19 Nepuri: unfinish both i mean
13:19 Fblade: I'm at the wrong place
13:20 Fblade: can you link time?
13:20 Nepuri: 03:00:708 - 
13:20 Fblade: something doesn't make sense
13:20 Nepuri: ye?
13:20 Fblade: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6123052
13:21 Fblade: doesn't look the same
13:21 Fblade: as your picture
13:21 Nepuri: yea
13:21 Nepuri: my  pic was a suggestion
13:21 Fblade: oh
13:21 Nepuri: :D
13:21 Fblade: let me see
13:21 Nepuri: note to peppy
13:21 Nepuri: please make finishers in taiko edit visible
13:21 Nepuri: ty
13:21 Fblade: ty
13:22 Nepuri: xD
13:22 Fblade: hmm
13:22 Fblade: so you're saying
13:22 Fblade: no finishers there?
13:22 Nepuri: yea
13:22 Nepuri: and put some 1/4 doublets instead
13:23 Nepuri: to fit rest of kiai
13:23 Fblade: that counters what I like about this kiai tho
13:23 Fblade: no contrast in volume, which is why I used finishers
13:24 Nepuri: or wait
13:24 Nepuri: like you did in the 2nd quarter
13:24 Fblade: the melody is singing there and by just using 1/4 you can't feel it
13:24 Fblade: it's so neutral
13:24 Fblade: yeah
13:24 Nepuri: put 1/4 inbetween
13:24 Nepuri: not just boring 1/2
13:24 Nepuri: the 1/4 in the 2nd quarter is actually much more fitting
13:24 Nepuri: 03:11:397 (177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185) - 
13:24 Nepuri: this i mean
13:25 Fblade: let me think something up for the first part
13:25 Nepuri: okay
13:27 Fblade: okay
13:27 Fblade: 03:01:053 -
13:27 Fblade: kkd
13:28 Nepuri: ye
13:28 Fblade: and
13:28 Fblade: 03:00:535 -
13:28 Fblade: ddk
13:28 Nepuri: about to say that xD
13:28 Fblade: xD
13:29 Nepuri: other than that im fine with that half of the kiai
13:29 Fblade: yush
13:29 Nepuri: 03:30:938 (109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118) - what.
13:29 Fblade: melody
13:30 Nepuri: yooo
13:30 Fblade: I could make it harder by doing the real timing there, which is faster than what it's right now
13:30 Fblade: but I spreaded it a little out
13:30 Nepuri: do the real timing 
13:30 Nepuri: those crazy snapped fucks are not really nice
13:31 Fblade: the real timing is kdd 1/6 with a little break for the next one
13:31 Fblade: is that better?
13:32 Nepuri: i cant hear any reasonable 1/6 here tho
13:32 Fblade: I do
13:32 Fblade: but idk how to explain
13:33 Nepuri: you mean
13:33 Nepuri: the echo of the k's?
13:33 Fblade: yeah
13:33 Fblade: another problem
13:33 Nepuri: its extremely weak tho
13:33 Fblade: all 3 of the echos are different
13:34 Nepuri: hm
13:34 Fblade: so i just made the echo as kdd
13:34 Nepuri: i would keep the k's on their own tho
13:34 Nepuri: its an unneccessary spike in reading 
13:35 Nepuri: having to read 1/3 spaced 1/6
13:35 Fblade: It would be nice to have the echo's mapped though
13:35 Fblade: echos*
13:35 Nepuri: lemme compare
13:35 Nepuri: hang on
13:36 Nepuri: OH
13:36 Nepuri: just do 
13:36 Nepuri: 1/3 dkdkdkdk
13:36 Fblade: wot
13:36 Nepuri: you capture echo, and dont have a ridiculous spike
13:36 Nepuri: yea
13:37 Nepuri: http://puu.sh/rflBR/aabd810ab0.jpg
13:37 Nepuri: @03:30:916 - 
13:37 Fblade: it fits
13:37 Fblade: \o/
13:37 Nepuri: wooo
13:37 Fblade: but
13:38 Fblade: lmao
13:38 Nepuri: huh?
13:38 Fblade: so many sounds around it
13:38 Fblade: k d k d k d fits the melody yeah
13:38 Fblade: but hm
13:38 Nepuri: all the dubstep growls?
13:38 Fblade: I feel like there is something just before the 1/3
13:38 Fblade: also that
13:38 Fblade: but the first echo feels different
13:39 Nepuri: 03:31:871 (117) - 
13:39 Nepuri: also
13:39 Nepuri: k because high tone xD
13:39 Fblade: 03:30:880 -  felt like having 1/6 ddk here
13:40 Fblade: and changed that to k
13:40 Nepuri: i wouldnt do the ddk
13:40 Nepuri: your thing tho
13:40 Nepuri: we've reached a point of opinion xD
13:41 Fblade: xD
13:41 Fblade: 03:30:938 -
13:41 Fblade: kdd and the rest is 1/3
13:41 Nepuri: okay
13:41 Fblade: kdd 1/6 there*
13:41 Nepuri: otherwise
13:41 Nepuri: thats all i have to say
13:42 Fblade: so we're done?
13:42 Nepuri: ye^^
P.S: Spaghetti spilled over my Table :c
Fblade
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IRC mod from Ekoro

le chat log
22:41 Ekoro: 00:50:277 - maybe add a note here
22:42 Ekoro: 01:01:311 - same here
22:42 Fblade: and the same patterns at the end
22:42 Ekoro: ye
22:42 Fblade: wait lol I got it there
22:43 Fblade: so 1 out of the 4 patterns already had that
22:43 Fblade: but yeah I missed it out
22:44 Ekoro: 02:44:673 (62,63,64) - this should be 1/6 instead
22:44 Fblade: changed it
22:44 Ekoro: i mean
22:44 Ekoro: http://puu.sh/tr0oL/5b740fcb13.jpg like this
22:44 Fblade: yeye
22:45 Fblade: how do you spot these things so fast
22:45 Ekoro: i actually just felt like it was 1/6 so i checked with 25% playback rate (4x slower music)
22:45 Ekoro: it helps to spot these things
22:46 Ekoro: i actually thought it was a full 1/6 pattern (of 4 circles), turned out that it isn't
22:46 Fblade: well yeah but first time listening and finding 2 mistakes which I've overlooked all the time xd
22:46 Fblade: first time looking*
22:46 Ekoro: ok here just a personal suggestion, it doesn't change anything if you keep it or not
22:47 Ekoro: i'm just curious about if you could map the "background sounds" here
22:47 Ekoro: 02:52:087 -
22:47 Fblade: I could
22:47 Fblade: I've lately been mapping to the background sounds a lot
22:47 Ekoro: 02:57:604 - here too
22:47 Fblade: mixing them up with the main melody
22:47 Fblade: but there is this problem
22:48 Ekoro: actually there's only one place where i'd map these sounds
22:48 Ekoro: 02:54:415 -
22:48 Fblade: if I map to the background melody I might have difficulties bringing it to the build up stream
22:48 Ekoro: http://puu.sh/tr0BL/14eb30a7f4.jpg
22:49 Ekoro: 02:58:294 - you could map around this, like that: http://puu.sh/tr0Ev/c92a6bfc57.jpg
22:49 Ekoro: however as i said, it's perfectly fine the way it is
22:49 Ekoro: just a tiny suggestion
22:49 Fblade: let me look for a sec
22:49 Fblade: I think I found a way
22:50 Ekoro: 03:22:432 - why 1/6s are appearing here while they doesn't in the first half
22:50 Ekoro: i think i know why but it still seem a little bit strange
22:51 Fblade: well
22:51 Fblade: in the older version --> deathstream
22:51 Fblade: but it was overmap
22:51 Fblade: and also
22:52 Fblade: wouldn't it be a little bit anticlimatic to have a less difficult second half of the kiai?
22:52 Fblade: like
22:52 Fblade: the last kiai, last half, if it were easier than the first kiai and first half of second kiai
22:53 Ekoro: oh
22:53 Ekoro: by first half i meant "first half" of second kiai
22:53 Fblade: yeah I know
22:53 Fblade: first kiai has the same thing actually
22:53 Fblade: first half normal 1/6
22:53 Ekoro: the 1/6s are more isolated
22:53 Fblade: second half first kiai, a more difficult 1/6 section
22:54 Fblade: well yeah
22:54 Ekoro: well
22:54 Ekoro: first half of the second kiai has this thing too
22:54 Ekoro: however there's no 1/6 here
22:54 Ekoro: for example, 03:01:053 (105,106,107) - 1/6
22:54 Fblade: most likely because I want everyone to focus on the melody there
22:54 Ekoro: 03:02:777 (118,119,120) - either this or 03:03:294 (122,123,124) -
22:55 Ekoro: 03:03:811 - here
22:55 Ekoro: 03:04:673 (133,134,135) - could be kddk 1/6
22:55 Ekoro: etcetcetc
22:55 Fblade: If I add 1 1/6 to the first half of second kiai, I should add them everywhere in that kiai
22:55 Fblade: but if I do that, people will focus more on the wubs than the melody
22:56 Fblade: or at least, it's what I'm trying to do
22:58 Fblade: oh well
22:58 Ekoro: mhm, i get it
22:58 Ekoro: http://puu.sh/tr1l1/5ceac6a479.osu still tried though
22:59 Ekoro: give it a check
22:59 Ekoro: (it has a custom diff so don't worry about losing anything)
22:59 Fblade: wait what do I do with it?
22:59 Ekoro: save it
22:59 Ekoro: on your map folder
22:59 Ekoro: i added what i think that could be 1/6 in the first half
22:59 Ekoro: just to show you
23:00 Ekoro: i don't mind at all if you keep what you did, it seems like a good reason to do this
23:00 Fblade: for some reason I'm just getting a txt on the link
23:00 Ekoro: (wishing people to follow more the melody than wubs)
23:00 Fblade: like
23:00 Ekoro: that's the point
23:00 Ekoro: use ctrl+s
23:00 Fblade: xd
23:01 Fblade: just a sec,
23:01 Fblade: pc is being slow
23:01 Ekoro: it's okay, can wait
23:02 Fblade: I see what you've done
23:03 Fblade: but hmm
23:03 Fblade: it just feels that the first half of the second kiai is more calm
23:03 Ekoro: too much 1/6s probably?
23:03 Fblade: well yeah
23:03 Ekoro: i get what you mean, that's how i feel about this kiai too
23:04 Ekoro: just wanted to show you that you missed some 1/6, no matter if it was on purpose or not
23:04 Ekoro: if they are too much you could still use one or two or something
23:04 Fblade: well yeah, I didn't map any 1/6 there in purpose tho
23:04 Fblade: on*
23:04 Fblade: also
23:05 Fblade: 02:52:604 -
23:05 Ekoro: this is probably the only part where there isn't any 1/6
23:05 Ekoro: like, 0 of them
23:05 Fblade: should I place a k(dd) 1/8 there>
23:05 Fblade: the melody does that rhythm
23:06 Ekoro: nah, don't
23:06 Fblade: also 02:57:604 - , I didn't map to the quiet drum sounds there because, focus on melody
23:06 Ekoro: ye iknow
23:07 Ekoro: avoid 1/8 unless there are a lot of 1/8 in your map
23:07 Ekoro: like, don't use them alone
23:07 Ekoro: if you wanted to add anything here, an 1/4 would be more suitable
23:07 Fblade: alrighty
23:07 Fblade: kdk 1/4
23:08 Ekoro: yeah
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Ekoro wrote:

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good luck with the set!
Thank you Ekoro!
-Valony-
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Hey !
I'm not a mappeur, but, i will try my best to improve the map from the "player" side !

Onistep :
Very enjoyable, the SV is well mastered,personaly for me, almost everything is perfect, except :
Thoses pattern felt very strange to me, and even, unpleasent to play :

(1) 00:48:811 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37) -
(2) 00:54:328 (74,75,76,77,78,79,80) -
(3) 00:59:846 (111,112,113,114,115,116,117) -
(4) 01:05:363 (155,156,157,158,159,160,161) -


(5) 04:10:190 (417,418,419,420,421,422,423) -
(6) 04:15:708 (460,461,462,463,464,465,466) -
(7) 04:21:225 (497,498,499,500,501,502,503) -
(8) 04:26:742 (541,542,543,544,545,546,547) -

But, to be honnest, I don't have advice about how changing it (mappers, will be way better than me at that).

However, If you decide to change it, I recommand to keep the "symetry" between the start and the end of the song (if you change 1, change 8 too, to be the same// if you change 3, change 6 too)


That's all I had to say,
Good luck in ranking :) !
Fblade
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-Valony- wrote:

Hey !
I'm not a mappeur, but, i will try my best to improve the map from the "player" side !

Onistep :
Very enjoyable, the SV is well mastered,personaly for me, almost everything is perfect, except :
Thoses pattern felt very strange to me, and even, unpleasent to play :

(1) 00:48:811 (31,32,33,34,35,36,37) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(2) 00:54:328 (74,75,76,77,78,79,80) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(3) 00:59:846 (111,112,113,114,115,116,117) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(4) 01:05:363 (155,156,157,158,159,160,161) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk


(5) 04:10:190 (417,418,419,420,421,422,423) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(6) 04:15:708 (460,461,462,463,464,465,466) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(7) 04:21:225 (497,498,499,500,501,502,503) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk
(8) 04:26:742 (541,542,543,544,545,546,547) - changed the pattern to dkkkkkk

// dkkkkkk should be more playable and I think it fits the wub better than dkkkkkd.
// I just realised that every last note of the 1/6 not on a 1/6 tick, so I adjusted that

But, to be honnest, I don't have advice about how changing it (mappers, will be way better than me at that).

However, If you decide to change it, I recommand to keep the "symetry" between the start and the end of the song (if you change 1, change 8 too, to be the same// if you change 3, change 6 too)


That's all I had to say,
Good luck in ranking :) ! Thanks for the compliments and the mod! :3
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