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Zetera
Fixed it all, snowball. Danke!
Ladies Night
For M4M

General
Add trax as it's a Lapfox Trax Production in tags, maybe add hardcore or hardstyle for genre in tags.

Maybe change Kantan's HP to 8 as it's too high and change Futsuu's HP to 8 and then you can up Muzukashii's HP to 7 to stay consistent.

I suggest you should tone down the general hitsounds to about 80% or 85%, as 100% is a bit too loud.

Kantan
00:09:179 (10) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals here.
00:12:903 (16) - Change this into a k or a D with a finisher,
00:15:800 (20) - Change this into a k, to singer's voice here.
00:19:110 (25) - Change this into a d, to emphasize notes at 00:18:696 (24) - and 00:19:524 (26) -
00:20:352 (27) - Change this into a K with a finisher, to emphasize the drums here.
00:22:007 (29) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals.
00:21:179 (28) - Change this into a k, to stay consistent with the change and vocals above.
00:24:903 (33) - Change this into a k, for the vocals and the lower sounding vocals at 00:25:317 (34) -
00:31:524 (43) - ^

Futsuu
00:05:869 (9) - Change this into a d, like you did with 00:02:145 (3,4,5) -
00:07:938 (12) - Change this in to a k, to emphasize the vocals here.
00:19:110 (32) - Change this into a d, to emphasize the k's at 00:18:696 (31) - and 00:19:524 (33) -
00:20:352 (34) - Change this into a K with a finisher, as it would emphasize the kiai part as well as the drums here.

Muzukashii
00:19:800 (34) - Add a k, to consistent with the pattern you had at 00:06:283 (6,7,8) - and 00:02:972 (6,7,8) -

Oni
Maybe change the SV from 1.40 to 1.50 or 1.45 show the gap between Muzukashii and lower difficulties and Zetera's Inner Oni

00:02:972 (7) - - Change this into a k, like what you did with 00:06:283 (17,18,19,20) - and 00:09:593 (28,29,30,31) -
00:08:765 (25) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals and make this double at 00:09:041 (26,27) - more pronounced.
00:12:076 - ^
00:18:696 (59) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the loud vocals and and the upcoming kiai part.
00:19:662 (64) - Change this into a d, to stay consistent like you did with this particular pattern like at 00:12:765 (39,40,41,42,43) -
00:25:317 (2) - Change this into a k, like you did later at 00:31:938 (2) -

Zetera's Inner Oni
00:02:558 (7) - Add a d, as there's drum sounds here and to make it harder.
00:05:869 - ^
00:25:317 (2) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the singer's vocals like you did here 00:21:179 (70) - and here 00:31:938 (2) -
Best endeavors with this map set.
Topic Starter
guro

Voyage wrote:

For M4M

General
Add trax as it's a Lapfox Trax Production in tags, maybe add hardcore or hardstyle for genre in tags. // I'm honestly not even sure if that's necessary

Maybe change Kantan's HP to 8 as it's too high and change Futsuu's HP to 8 and then you can up Muzukashii's HP to 7 to stay consistent.

I suggest you should tone down the general hitsounds to about 80% or 85%, as 100% is a bit too loud.

Kantan
00:09:179 (10) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals here. // It never was my intention to go for the vocals
00:12:903 (16) - Change this into a k or a D with a finisher, // I honestly don't see much reason to do that. I would understand doing that at the end of a song's section, but this is basically right the midlde and has no audio to support it
00:15:800 (20) - Change this into a k, to singer's voice here. // see above
00:19:110 (25) - Change this into a d, to emphasize notes at 00:18:696 (24) - and 00:19:524 (26) -
00:20:352 (27) - Change this into a K with a finisher, to emphasize the drums here.// The D sounds absolutely fine to me and I see no benefit in changing it to K
00:22:007 (29) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals. // It already is a k though
00:21:179 (28) - Change this into a k, to stay consistent with the change and vocals above. // I absolutely do not see any consistency problems
00:24:903 (33) - Change this into a k, for the vocals and the lower sounding vocals at 00:25:317 (34) -
00:31:524 (43) - ^ // Didn't go for vocals in Kantan so not sure if that's a change I can consider


Futsuu
00:05:869 (9) - Change this into a d, like you did with 00:02:145 (3,4,5) - // That actually is a intended variation because of the following transition to a different section
00:07:938 (12) - Change this in to a k, to emphasize the vocals here. // The Futsuu is mainly on the drums aswell, so I don't see much need to emphasise vocals here
00:19:110 (32) - Change this into a d, to emphasize the k's at 00:18:696 (31) - and 00:19:524 (33) -
00:20:352 (34) - Change this into a K with a finisher, as it would emphasize the kiai part as well as the drums here. // It mainly is a D to keep it consistent with 00:26:972 (46) - . Having them be different notes or both K would make things weirder than they need to be imo

Muzukashii
00:19:800 (34) - Add a k, to consistent with the pattern you had at 00:06:283 (6,7,8) - and 00:02:972 (6,7,8) -

Oni
Maybe change the SV from 1.40 to 1.50 or 1.45 show the gap between Muzukashii and lower difficulties and Zetera's Inner Oni

00:02:972 (7) - - Change this into a k, like what you did with 00:06:283 (17,18,19,20) - and 00:09:593 (28,29,30,31) - // The reason why it's different is that it's like in the middle of the song's intro. I usually like to keep things more simple here.
00:08:765 (25) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the vocals and make this double at 00:09:041 (26,27) - more pronounced. // That's actually a good catch
00:12:076 - ^ // Not going to do that though
00:18:696 (59) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the loud vocals and and the upcoming kiai part. // The 00:19:386 (62,63,64,65,66) - thing is supposed to emphasise the kiai part
00:19:662 (64) - Change this into a d, to stay consistent like you did with this particular pattern like at 00:12:765 (39,40,41,42,43) - // Transition
00:25:317 (2) - Change this into a k, like you did later at 00:31:938 (2) - // The entire thing is inverse on the 2nd timestamp

Best endeavors with this map set.
Thank you a lot for your mod! :)
Zetera

Voyage wrote:

Zetera's Inner Oni
00:02:558 (7) - Add a d, as there's drum sounds here and to make it harder. Hm, I don't know which version you are using, but there is a k already, which works a bit better because it differentiates the beats. Also goes for the second timemark.
00:05:869 - ^
00:25:317 (2) - Change this into a k, to emphasize the singer's vocals like you did here 00:21:179 (70) - and here 00:31:938 (2) - Well, a K should serve the same purpose.
Thank you!
snowball112
Heya, check time. No kd please.

  1. Remove "renard" from tags, it's already in the title.
  2. Add "trax" to tags, because shouldn't the label name be "lapfox trax"?

Kantan
  1. Only thing that bothers me is the kdd at 00:12:076. I think kkd would sound better for the clap on 00:12:490 and contrast to low sound on 00:12:903.
Looks fine otherwise.

Futsuu
  1. 00:19:524 - d and 00:19:938 add k? This is too similar to kantan otherwise. Also looks weird if this not consistent in length with 00:12:076 imo.
  2. You could try making a bit longer patterns in the kiai, for example 00:25:317 k and add k on 00:25:731. Similar with 00:31:937.
Muzukashii
  1. I think instead of making the part from 00:07:110 until 00:20:352 with pattern pairs (aabb) you could try crossing over patterns (abab). Basically, swap the patterns of 00:07:938 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16) and 00:17:041 (29,30,31,32,33,1). This feels a bit underwhelming otherwise if you have the more complex stuff before and then fall off, if you mix these you can keep variety.
  2. 00:24:076 (11,12) - ctrl+g for the clap. Or remove both and add k on 00:24:903 which fits way better with the vocal and what you have in other diffs.
  3. 00:30:696 - ^
  4. I think you should make the part at 00:22:007 similar to what you have at 00:28:627 and map the vocal. Spread is a bit large otherwise since you throw some fairly long patterns at them in the same part in oni.
  5. 00:27:386 - remove, I think larger spacing would be nice here for spacing and consistency.


Oni
  1. 00:12:352 (37,38) ctrl+g and 00:18:972 (60,61) ctrl+g as well. I guess you're going for mirror patterns here, but there is very strong vocal on the second note here.
  2. Overall use of d/k for the drums conflicts a bit across the diff, how about 00:25:317 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - k_d_kdddk to just make this consistent with 00:31:938. Also, throughout the map d is used for that kind of drum sound, eg. 00:06:421 or 00:09:731 so k here feels a bit weird imo. I just think the diff would look neater overall this way.

Zetera's Inner Oni
There's a bunch of stuff that doesn't land on some of the stronger/more supported beats, I suggest you:
  1. 00:09:317 - move to 00:09:731 and change to k, there is no sound where this is currently mapped.
  2. Move 00:12:214 to 00:13:041? I think if you map out one of the drum patterns before 00:13:317 consistently before you switch to mapping out 2 it looks neater. Or you try a kind of 1-2-1-2 stucture where you map out one at 00:09:041 and two at 00:11:938 and repeat. Because current choice is a bit lacking in structure imo.
  3. 00:15:110 is also not supported, how about you move this to 00:15:524 and change 00:16:352 to k for the louder sound here?
  4. 00:27:938 is not supported. I think you could just remove it.

You may call me back~
Zetera
I have adjusted every pattern that used redundant circles. Also, I have slightly changed the doubles to make them more consistent.

Thank you!

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Topic Starter
guro

snowball112 wrote:

Heya, check time. No kd please.

  1. Remove "renard" from tags, it's already in the title. // woops
  2. Add "trax" to tags, because shouldn't the label name be "lapfox trax"?

Kantan
  1. Only thing that bothers me is the kdd at 00:12:076. I think kkd would sound better for the clap on 00:12:490 and contrast to low sound on 00:12:903. // Agreed
Looks fine otherwise. // :)

Futsuu
  1. 00:19:524 - d and 00:19:938 add k? This is too similar to kantan otherwise. Also looks weird if this not consistent in length with 00:12:076 imo.
  2. You could try making a bit longer patterns in the kiai, for example 00:25:317 k and add k on 00:25:731. Similar with 00:31:937. // Alright, increased length a bit. I went with k d instead of k k though
Muzukashii
  1. I think instead of making the part from 00:07:110 until 00:20:352 with pattern pairs (aabb) you could try crossing over patterns (abab). Basically, swap the patterns of 00:07:938 (10,11,12,13,14,15,16) and 00:17:041 (29,30,31,32,33,1). This feels a bit underwhelming otherwise if you have the more complex stuff before and then fall off, if you mix these you can keep variety.
  2. 00:24:076 (11,12) - ctrl+g for the clap. Or remove both and add k on 00:24:903 which fits way better with the vocal and what you have in other diffs.
  3. 00:30:696 - ^
  4. I think you should make the part at 00:22:007 similar to what you have at 00:28:627 and map the vocal. Spread is a bit large otherwise since you throw some fairly long patterns at them in the same part in oni.
  5. 00:27:386 - remove, I think larger spacing would be nice here for spacing and consistency.


Oni
  1. 00:12:352 (37,38) ctrl+g and 00:18:972 (60,61) ctrl+g as well. I guess you're going for mirror patterns here, but there is very strong vocal on the second note here.
  2. Overall use of d/k for the drums conflicts a bit across the diff, how about 00:25:317 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - k_d_kdddk to just make this consistent with 00:31:938. Also, throughout the map d is used for that kind of drum sound, eg. 00:06:421 or 00:09:731 so k here feels a bit weird imo. I just think the diff would look neater overall this way.

// I basically applied all of the above. No real objections there

You may call me back~
Thank you a lot for your time and the check snowball! :)
vipto
Where da hood @
Topic Starter
guro

viptwo wrote:

Where da hood @
Wo ist die Nachbarschaft vor Ort
snowball112
Fixed some stuff in irc. Bubbled~

IRC LOG
13:56 snowball112: heya
13:56 guro: Aloha
13:57 snowball112: hast du das probiert in der muzu mit patterns überkreuz statt pairs?
13:57 snowball112: jetzt hast du 2x hintereinander ddkkd
13:57 snowball112: versuch mal 00:16:213 (5,6) - bei 00:13:317 - zu benutzen
13:57 guro: Irgendwie hab ich gespuert, dass ich irgendwas uebersehen hab
13:57 snowball112: darum guck ich da ja nochmal drauf :P
13:58 snowball112: war aber auch schlecht erklärt auf englisch
13:58 snowball112: kreuzreim schema wär hier besser imo :D
13:58 guro: Ich schau mal, ob ich da auch noch auf den Trochaeus achten kann B-)
13:59 snowball112: deutschunterricht mit guro, passt doch ^^
14:01 guro: Ich glaub ich bin dafuer zu schlecht in Deutsch, puh
14:01 guro: Jetzt sollte es sogar stimmen
14:02 snowball112: alle anderen deiner diffs sehen jedenfalls gut aus
14:02 snowball112: oh ja, viel besser
14:05 guro: 00:21:179 (1) - der Teil in der Muzu ist auch ok? Irgendwie war ich mir unsicher, ob das nicht vielleicht zu.. nicht-dense ist
14:05 snowball112: nein, das passt
14:05 snowball112: wichtig ist imo nur dass du bei 00:22:007 - das komplett rausgemappt hast
14:06 snowball112: das wär sonst ein zu großer unterschied
14:11 snowball112: ich überleg' grad
14:11 snowball112: ob du bei 00:26:283 - noch n d reinhaust
14:11 snowball112: und bei 00:32:903 - dasselbe
14:12 guro: Ich seh an sich keinen Grund es nicht zu tun
14:12 snowball112: wenn's mono ist wär's nicht zu schwer, und ggf. noch n besseren spread
14:12 snowball112: dann mach das noch :D
14:14 snowball112: so, noch einmal kurz durchspielen
14:14 guro: Ok, sitzt
14:17 snowball112: in muzu, 00:33:593 - D
14:18 snowball112: wie in allen anderen
14:19 guro: :L
14:19 guro: Wieso auch immer der blau ist
Nwolf
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21:28 Ntiger: owo
21:28 Ntiger: deine muzu ist zu einfach
21:29 Ntiger: 00:07:110 - ich würde ab hier alle 1/1 noten mappen
21:29 Ntiger: außer dort, wo 1/3 vorgezogen wird
21:29 Ntiger: 00:24:076 - 00:24:490 - die würde ich auch leer lassen
21:30 guro: puh
21:31 guro: Als ich das vorher denser hatte, hab ich auch wieder Mecker bekommen B(
21:31 Ntiger: rofl
21:31 Ntiger: ist halt ein witz für ne muzu
21:34 guro: Waere es zu viel gewollt, wenn ich bei 00:13:455 (25) - noch einen reinmogel?
21:34 Ntiger: wat
21:36 guro: Ich meine, da ist so ein sound, den man halt mitnehmen koennte, wenn die muzu ohnehin bisher zu schwach ist
21:36 guro: Aber das waere vielleicht ein bisschen zu meh
21:37 Ntiger: mach einfach und ich gucks nachm update an
21:42 guro: Hab
21:43 Ntiger: 00:12:765 (23,24,25,26) - ist müll
21:43 Ntiger: :(
21:43 guro: huch
21:43 Ntiger: 00:12:903 (24,26) - mach einfach am besten die weg
21:44 Ntiger: oder solls anders sein? :D
21:46 guro: tbh passt das so
21:46 guro: Nur weiss ich nicht, ob 00:09:593 (15,16) - und 00:16:214 (7,8) - vielleicht auch noch mehr auf 1/3 gehen sollten
21:46 Ntiger: ne finds voll verwirrend
21:46 guro: So pipapo 13 1/1 Noten hintereinander ist imo nicht so der brenner
21:46 Ntiger: bitte mach das anders
21:46 Ntiger: ja das wollte ich auch ansprechen
21:49 guro: An sich reichts ja, wenn ich 00:10:007 (16) - auf den 1/3 davor zieh
21:50 Ntiger: jo
21:50 Ntiger: so wie die anderen teile früher waren
21:50 Ntiger: 00:12:765 (23) - aber das löschst du bitte!
21:51 guro: Oh, ye, das hatte ich eben schon
21:51 Ntiger: k
21:54 guro: Irgendwie machts jetzt auch vom object count mehr Sinn
21:55 Ntiger: ayeee
21:56 guro: Nur muss ich vielleicht noch die hitsounds anpassen. Irgendwie faellt die Muzu was das angeht komplett aus dem Muster von den anderen diffs raus
21:56 guro: wew
21:56 Ntiger: so und noch was
21:56 Ntiger: OD6 auf Inner Oni
21:57 guro: Ob ich da vorher mal Zetera fragen sollte :thinking:
22:00 guro: In der Oni ist die halt auch 6. Sollte ich das auch noch irgendwie anpassen?
22:02 Ntiger: brauchst du nicht
22:02 Ntiger: aber OD5.5 wäre da vielleicht auch netter
22:02 Ntiger: weil nur 145 BPM
22:03 guro: Der Rest passt so aber?
22:03 Ntiger: Futsuu könnte vielleicht 00:27:386 - 00:20:765 - hier noten einfügen
22:04 guro: 00:24:490 (43) - wird das ab hier nicht ein wenig zu lang?
22:04 Ntiger: für ne Futsuu doch nicht
22:05 Ntiger: für ne futsuu ist diese 1/1 länge üblich noch mit 1/2 drin :D
22:06 guro: :thinking:
22:07 guro: Jetzt wo du es sagst
22:08 guro: Kantan und Oni sind sonst so ok?
22:09 guro: Eh, und die Inner, obv
22:09 Ntiger: jo
22:09 guro: Dann ist das alles so submitted B-)
22:10 Ntiger: Muzu HP --> 7 pls
22:11 guro: Oni auch runter?
22:11 Ntiger: nö
22:11 Ntiger: wobei doch
22:12 guro: Denkst du 7.5 ist in Ordnung? Irgendwie will ich nicht unbedingt, dass Muzu, Oni und Inner allesamt HP7 haben
22:12 Ntiger: nein
22:13 Ntiger: ach HP meinst du
22:13 guro: :V(
22:13 Ntiger: ja mach halt
22:15 guro: alrighy
22:15 guro: alrighty
22:16 Ntiger: 00:21:588 (4) - Muzu
22:16 Ntiger: nette unsnapped note
22:17 guro: .
22:17 guro: Wie ist das denn passiert
22:17 Ntiger: schalt einfach auf 1/12 und resnap all notes
22:17 Ntiger: in allen diffs
22:21 guro: SO

Muzu received note additions to feel more Muzu, not much.


literally layers of shit
vipto
gz boo <3
Smokk
ewe <3
Stjpa

Smokk wrote:

ewe <3
Topic Starter
guro

Ntiger wrote:

Muzu received note additions to feel more Muzu, not much.


literally layers of shit
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viptwo wrote:

gz boo <3
thenk booOo

Smokk wrote:

ewe <3
owo <3

Stjpa wrote:

Smokk wrote:

ewe <3

guro wrote:

owo <3
vipto
hey kennt ihr das wenn ihr euch unter schichten und schichten aus scheiße findet?
IamKwaN
please provide metadata reference for the song, thanks
IamKwaN
quick fixxxxx
milr_
ohh
IamKwaN
let's go again
Topic Starter
guro

IamKwaN wrote:

let's go again
Thank you a lot :)
milr_
:)
Surono
demm, gratz for good shiiit :lol:
Topic Starter
guro

Surono wrote:

demm, gratz for good shiiit :lol:
thank you boi :D
Yooni


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