Annadine wrote:
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- 00:12:347 (5,1) - is too far like w h o a, Normal diff should have a consistent spacing.
- Like I said above, spacing. 00:13:991 (1,2,3) - & 00:14:813 (3,4,5) - 's spacing is not consistent.
- 00:22:210 (7,1) - this looks crumpled. What about... Ctrl+shift+R 00:23:443 (1) - by, say 40, then move it between 00:21:799 (6,7)
done ~- 00:25:498 (2,3,4,5,6) - not a perfect square. Move 00:26:320 (4) - down a little bit and 00:27:142 (6) - should be exactly where 00:25:498 (2) - was.
- 00:30:430 (1) - Greenline fix please.
been trying 30 minutes now... still couldn't find out how lol
this is supposed to be a green offset... right? can't remove it...- And 00:30:430 (1,2,3) - not a nice beat there ^^" make it like this instead:
http://puu.sh/nXaV3/9ccc01414c.jpg[/img:1337]- 00:33:717 (1,2,3,4,5) - not a nice curve. What I did was, move 00:33:717 (1,2) - to make 00:33:717 (1,2,3) - a nice half an octagon shape.
- 00:55:087 (6,7,8,9) - Please make this a perfect curve ^^
hmm... not perfect, but i think it's better now than it has been before- 00:56:731 (1) - what I would do is, this, for flow's sake. You've used the top right bit of the screen just seconds ago ==
- 01:03:306 (1,2) - uneven spacing, move 01:05:361 (2) - a little bit to the left
- 01:07:827 (5,6,7,8) - not a nice curve. And eh, you just copied the same pattern.
yeah... think curve is better now - patterns hmm- 01:14:402 (7) - would be nice if moved a little bit up. 01:12:758 (3,4,5,6,7) - will be a nicer curve too.
- 01:19:334 (3) - not a neat slider. And I think these insanely long sliders 01:16:046 (1,2,3,4) - are not a good idea :/
removed 2 sliders here and placed a few little ones ~- And you've used a lot of 01:22:210 (5,1,1,2,3,4) - kind of pattern a lot of times already /:
already getting bored of this pattern?
removed and put a new one- 01:22:210 (5) - NC (new combo) here and remove NC here 01:22:621 (1) - and 01:23:032 (1) -
- 01:24:265 (4) - NC
- 01:31:662 (7,8,1) - either make this a perfect curve or a straight line, there's no in-between.
- 01:39:060 (1) - move down to make it straight
- 01:42:347 (1,2) - just make the beat like this
And there's an unnecessary slider point there btw (01:43:786 (2) - , the end of it)- 03:01:868 (1) - move this to 03:01:662 (1) - (the white line). I know that the vocal starts at 03:01:868, but nobody will know/expect it.
but...but the vocals
done anyway- 03:05:361 (3,4) - stack
- 03:44:402 (7,8,9,10) - this kind of positioning is very cumpled. What I did was,
couldn't get this to look as nice as yours :/- 03:44:402 (7) - NC btw
- 04:00:019 (1) - move to while line
- 04:37:827 (3) - one tip to make a neat slider: at least do an attempt to make the points symmetrical.
dunno if my new attempt can be called a neat slider, but it's way better now- 04:40:293 (2,1,2,3) - not straight
- 04:49:745 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^, move 04:50:567 (3) - down
- 05:02:484 (8,1,2,3) - it would be nice to make a curve here too
[]everything that didn't get a comment is done... more or lessOk this is a whole lot of mods already, and it's dinner time and I'm starving, so I won't mod Easy diff =="
I think you just did the same tapping pattern like e.g 00:37:005 (1,2,3,4,5) - , I suppose it's because you don't know what else to put? I know, because I've been there =w=
But don't worry, as the time pass, you'll learn new patterns that you could apply to your diff. As a first map, this is completely normal.
01:41 Electoz: gimme a few mins
01:42 Yanganof: don't stress yourself xD
01:48 Electoz: I'll go with
01:48 Electoz: general ideas
01:48 Electoz: rather than pointing specific stuff
01:48 Yanganof: okay
01:49 Electoz: first off
01:49 Electoz: sv is too low
01:49 Electoz: like, really low
01:49 Electoz: try finding ranked maps with a similar bpm
01:50 Electoz: and see how much they put for sv in each difficulty
01:52 Yanganof: hmm sv?
01:52 Electoz: sry
01:52 Electoz: my internet got cut off
01:52 Electoz: anyways
01:52 Yanganof: ah k
01:52 Electoz: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Glossary
01:53 Electoz: ^your dictionary
01:53 Electoz: sv basically means
01:53 Yanganof: ah
01:53 Electoz: slider velocity
01:53 Yanganof: yeah thanks
01:53 Electoz: to sum it up
01:53 Electoz: your sliders are too slow
01:53 Electoz: not sure what I had left off so I gotta say this again
01:53 Electoz: find ranked maps with a similar bpm
01:54 Electoz: see how much they put in sv for each difficulty
01:54 Yanganof: ok
01:54 Electoz: well that's basically a remap
01:54 Electoz: I'm talking about this btw
01:54 *Electoz is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/935370 Zytokine - Samayouyaiba [Easy]]
01:54 Yanganof: ok
01:54 Yanganof: the same in normal?
01:55 Yanganof: or is it better there?
01:55 Electoz: normal is a bit fast for me
01:55 Electoz: well you should try measure that with other ranked songs
01:55 Electoz: as I said before
01:56 Electoz: secondly
01:56 Electoz: your
01:56 Electoz: difficulty setting choices are like, really low for some reason
01:56 Electoz: there are barely any songs with 0.5 ar od hp nowadays
01:56 Electoz: even in Easy
01:57 Electoz: ar depends on how density your objects is, bpm is also one of the factors
01:57 Electoz: basically an appropriate ar gives an appropriate information to players while they're playing
01:57 Yanganof: ok
01:57 Electoz: giving them too much by using too low ar will cause them to see many objects in the screen
01:57 Electoz: so they won't know where to go
01:58 Electoz: od is like
01:58 Electoz: the higher od is, the more preciseness required to hit the object
01:58 Electoz: not sure how to describle properly
01:59 Electoz: but in short, higher od = harder to get 300
01:59 Electoz: in return, too low od will cause players to get
01:59 Electoz: 300 too easily
01:59 Yanganof: mhm
01:59 Electoz: giving a good amount of od will make the player feel the rhythm of the song
02:00 Electoz: as for hp, well it's easier to understand compared to those two I explained before
02:00 Electoz: so I'll skip it
02:01 Electoz: as for Easy
02:02 Electoz: the rhythm can be improved a lot
02:02 Electoz: let's see
02:03 Electoz: when you're mapping something
02:03 Electoz: you will be following "something"
02:04 Electoz: this "something" depends on mappers
02:04 Electoz: and songs
02:04 Electoz: some will be following vocal
02:04 Electoz: while some will be following instruments
02:04 Electoz: and when we're following something
02:04 Electoz: we'll stick with it
02:04 Electoz: at least for a certain part in the song
02:05 Electoz: 00:50:207 (1,2,3,4) - this for example
02:05 Electoz: you can see there's vocal landed on 00:50:207 (1,2,3) - but not 00:51:850 (4) -
02:05 Electoz: so if you decided to follow vocal, you have to know where it lands
02:06 Electoz: and make those beats where vocal lands clickable
02:06 Electoz: is it too complicated?
02:06 Yanganof: na i get what you mean
02:07 Electoz: alright then I'll continue
02:08 Electoz: However
02:08 Electoz: when you're following vocal, there is a beat where you shouldn't ignore it
02:08 Electoz: it is called a "downbeat" aka as a big white tick
02:08 Electoz: Like
02:09 Electoz: 00:56:782 - 01:00:070 - 01:01:713 - for example
02:09 Electoz: downbeats will keep everyone stick with the rhythm
02:09 Electoz: and also can be an introduction
02:09 Electoz: into a different rhythm, like 00:56:782 -
02:09 Electoz: you can see the rhythm is a bit changed after that one
02:10 Electoz: those downbeats where there is a sound landed on it shouldn't be ignored
02:11 Electoz: 00:41:987 - 00:45:275 - in terms of music sense, these are the example which can be ignored
02:11 Electoz: it's kinda like it needs a rhythm sense a bit
02:12 Electoz: the first one has only vocal landed on it, while the second one doesn't have anything landed on
02:12 Electoz: of course if you're following the instruments, you can ignore the first one I mentioned
02:12 Electoz: if you're following the vocal, then it should be mapped
02:12 Electoz: simple
02:12 Electoz: as for the second one
02:12 Electoz: the beat is not important as nothing has landed on it
02:12 Electoz: so you could either make it a sliderend there or just simply ignore it
02:13 Electoz: also it would be better to having a break after the downbeat
02:13 Yanganof: hm
02:13 Electoz: like
02:14 Electoz: 01:09:933 - 01:49:385 - can be mapped
02:14 Electoz: well there are the other breaks too
02:14 Electoz: but I just mentioned a few of them
02:14 Yanganof: ok
02:14 Electoz: 03:47:330 (1) - this spinner too, should end on 03:51:028
02:14 Electoz: 03:51:028 -
02:15 Electoz: ending things on downbeats gives a fulfilling feel
02:15 Electoz: which is better, to most people
02:16 Electoz: alright
02:16 Electoz: that's one issue down
02:16 Electoz: any questions?
02:16 Yanganof: atm not
02:17 Yanganof: gotta look this over and see what i'll change first
02:17 Electoz: alright
02:17 Electoz: then I'll continue
02:17 Yanganof: questions will come then xD
02:17 Electoz: ok
02:17 Electoz: some of your sliders are too long
02:17 Electoz: in terms of rhythm
02:17 Electoz: 00:43:631 (1) - this for example
02:17 Electoz: in Easy or whatever diff it is
02:17 Electoz: try not to make a slider longer than 2 white ticks
02:17 Electoz: unless you're doing a sliderart
02:18 Electoz: or there is a really significant sound
02:18 Electoz: that it's worth doing a long slider
02:18 Electoz: something like 00:47:330 (4) - 00:58:426 (4) - is not good at all
02:18 Electoz: these sliders are too long
02:18 Electoz: indicating that
02:18 Electoz: you ignored quite a number of beats, regardless of what you're following
02:19 Electoz: try not to ignore beats, try to map them all
02:19 Electoz: well it's not necessary need to be "all", but
02:19 Electoz: make it appropriate for each difficulties
02:19 Electoz: in Easy most objects will always have 1/1 spacing
02:19 Electoz: while Normal can have 1/2
02:19 Electoz: and Hard will occasionally have 1/4 aka as triplets
02:20 Yanganof: ok
02:20 Electoz: to sum it up for this map, don't ignore beats with those long sliders
02:21 Electoz: let's see
02:21 Electoz: you know hitsounding?
02:21 Electoz: *do you
02:22 Yanganof: i know what it is and i've always disabled it xD
02:22 Electoz: welp
02:22 Electoz: alright then, I'll skip it
02:23 Electoz: well that's all major issues for now
02:23 Electoz: the rest are like
02:23 Electoz: aesthetic stuff which I'm pretty much weak at
02:23 Electoz: well I'll go with some quick ones
02:23 Electoz: 00:57:193 (1,2,3,4) - In Easy and Normal
02:24 Electoz: you shouldn't have players clicking objects many times continuously
02:24 Electoz: if you look at ranked Easy and Normal maps in terms of numbers of objects
02:24 Electoz: you'll see that they will have a lot of sliders, compared to circles
02:24 Electoz: because the slider gives a player moment to "rest"
02:24 Electoz: and it doesn't require much sense of rhythm compared to circle
02:25 Yanganof: ok
02:25 Electoz: cuz no matter how late or early you hit the slider, you still got 300
02:25 Electoz: in Easy, clicking objects 3 or more times in a row
02:25 Electoz: can cause the map to become harder
02:25 Electoz: both in terms of gameplay and star rating
02:26 Electoz: 01:03:768 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
02:26 Electoz: ^so obvious that
02:26 Electoz: you're trying to do a square
02:26 Electoz: thing is, something like square pattern is really old nowadays
02:26 Electoz: no one use things like that anymore
02:27 Electoz: rather than "patterns", these days map styles are emphasising on "flows"
02:27 Electoz: It's already hard to make a pattern in Easy and Normal
02:27 Electoz: mainly because DS
02:28 Electoz: so people go with flowy map style, because it's more comfortable that way
02:28 Electoz: you'll see that there are square or more patterns in older maps
02:28 Electoz: older maps are like,
02:28 Electoz: made for a challenge for player's skills
02:29 Electoz: so they have some unique patterns and mapstyle
02:29 Electoz: s
02:29 Electoz: to sum it up
02:29 Electoz: try going for the "flow" instead of "pattern"
02:29 Electoz: it's not that pattern is bad
02:30 Electoz: but you shouldn't emphasising it too much when you're mapping
02:31 Electoz: alright then
02:31 Electoz: that would cover up in Easy for now
02:31 Electoz: I'll go with this then
02:31 *Electoz is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/934587 Zytokine - Samayouyaiba [Normal]]
02:43 Yanganof: ah you're back xD
02:43 Electoz: sry
02:43 Electoz: where did I left off again?
02:43 Yanganof: na np
02:44 Yanganof: you wanted to do normal
02:44 Electoz: ah
02:44 Electoz: right
02:44 Yanganof: but i gottago now so it would be better if you wait a bit xD
02:44 Yanganof: i think i'll be back in about 30 - 40 minutes
02:44 Electoz: nah
02:44 Electoz: just gonna say that
02:45 Electoz: normal has similar problems with Easy
02:45 Electoz: so probably that's it
02:45 Electoz: cuz
02:45 Yanganof: ok
02:45 Electoz: I hope you understand the concept of what I said
02:45 Yanganof: yeah
02:45 Electoz: well that didn't cover everything but
02:45 Electoz: probably the most major issues for now
02:45 Electoz: yeah, hope it helped
02:46 Yanganof: yes i think it will help me a lot :)
02:46 Yanganof: thanks
02:46 Electoz: alright then, good luck
Thanks!VEZOK wrote:
Easy - Mod (1st official omg so excited)
> Nice looking/ relaxing Map, Timing is great, no errors in AI-Mod and i like ur mapping-style very much^^
Important:
- Offset: @ 00:30:481 (1)
This would change... what exactly?
- Hitsound-Additions: use them! (vital for ranking and more fun to play)
Gonna add them soon
- Kiai-Time: i recommend from 01:36:234 (1) - 02:02:535 (4) also 03:21:439 (1) - 03:47:330 (1) and 04:00:892 (1) - 04:40:344 (4)
Added Kiai from 01:35:412 - 02:02:535, 03:21:439 - 03:51:028 and 04:00:069 - 04:28:014
- Timing Sections: Use the Kiai-Time-Sections to alternate the Slider-Velocity and the Volume of the Hitsounds
There aren't any speed changes in the Song, so i don't think a change in velocity would fit. especially not in easy.
- Break-Times: Way too many in my opinion (interrupts the flow of the song more than giving time to take a break), even for an Easy-Map this long. I recommend having 2 total maybe 03:08:289 (5) - 03:21:439 (1) and from 03:47:330 (1) - 04:00:892 (1)
Removed one. The others are still as they've been. Would get too hard for an easy map
- Patterns: need consistency, map similar/ repeating Beat-Sections the same way; e.g. 01:06:234 should be like 00:59:659
#BoringMapsftw
Suggestions:
- Considering the Editor rates ur Map for Normal u could lower the Distance Spacing and Slider-Velocity
SV would get to low, increased it some time ago
- Give those noobs some spinners - noobs love spinners!
There are spinners (at least one xD)
- Move Objects like 01:24:316 (2) a bit away from the edge of the screen (looks better, more comfy to play)
Gonna think about his once again
- You may wanna consider reducing Intro and Outro by placing some more Hit-Objects
that's all for now, guess i will mod normal as well, but not now
hope this helps
Thanks!CaffeAmericano wrote:
Hi~
- Easy
- In general: I think short sliders don't look good when they are curved too much. I think you can go easier on curving 1/1 sliders.
Yes, you're rght. Changed them- 00:05:823 (1,2,1) - flow suggestion: http://puu.sh/paswR/c2d1663120.jpg
Fixed- 00:08:700 (2,2) - They are not stacked properly. Twist one of them a little to make them stack purrfectly
I'll see what I can do- 00:11:576 (2,2) - This kind of overlap doesn't look very good
Fixed- 00:11:576 (2,2) - I think break should start here. I strongly recommend against leaving 00:25:549 - blank.
Na, that would be to early. but yeah, duuno why i left 00:25:549 unmapped. Now it's mapped up to 00:27:193- 00:30:892 (2,3,4) - flow suggestion: http://puu.sh/pasPJ/29657f09f0.jpg
Fixed- 00:37:056 (1,2,3) - flow recommendation: http://puu.sh/pasRB/8646fd519c.jpg
Fixed- 01:15:686 - I don't think you should put a break here.
Is now Mapped- 01:47:330 (1,2) - flow suggestion: http://puu.sh/pasWL/3d8fbc38a4.jpg
Did something similar- 02:16:097 (1,2) - this kind of short reverse sliders are difficult to read for beginners and not recommended for easy. (and they are too short to look good)
Fixed- 02:22:261 - I think the break that starts here should be filled
Fixed- 02:45:686 (2) - It's good that you're using variation in slider shape, but hopefully they should follow the music. This to me looks like a change just for the sake of change.
Changed it- 03:08:289 - This break also looks bit awkward to me
Now mapped- 03:26:371 (4,2) - You could make 4 blanket 2
Fixed- 04:09:111 - it's usually not a good idea to put slider tail on the upbeat. The vocal kicks here too.
Fixed- 04:07:467 (2,3,4) - Rhythm suggestion: http://puu.sh/patg9/7552645a2d.jpg
Fixed- 04:22:261 (3,4) - Maybe a blanket here? http://puu.sh/patm2/c3214aa0ed.jpg
Fixed
Best of luck!!
