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DJ TOTTO VS TOTTO - Vajra [OsuMania]

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年1月1日 星期日 at 16:54:28

Artist: DJ TOTTO VS TOTTO
Title: Vajra
Source: REFLEC BEAT groovin'!! Upper
Tags: victorica_db [emiria]
BPM: 173
Filesize: 3526kb
Play Time: 01:52
Difficulties Available:
  1. 6K BASIC - 6Key (1.98 stars, 379 notes)
  2. 6K HARD - 6Key (3.31 stars, 1089 notes)
  3. 6K SPECIAL - 6Key (4.39 stars, 1380 notes)
  4. DJ Emiria VS Biemote's 8K Normal - 8Key (1.95 stars, 468 notes)
  5. Emiria's 8K Another - 8Key (4.13 stars, 1438 notes)
  6. Emiria's 8K Hyper - 8Key (3.15 stars, 1074 notes)
  7. Emiria's 8K Leggendaria - 8Key (5.43 stars, 1733 notes)
Download: DJ TOTTO VS TOTTO - Vajra
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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For remake version: HERE
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『Just....end the ...last regret. 』

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MA LI LUO SI SHOU QUAN JACK PU MIAN

DJ EMIRIA VS BIEMOTE

BUBBLED BY Kuo Kyoka
QUALIFIED BY Critical_Star

6K+8K MAPSET!
8K(IIDX STANDARD) :
NORMAL LV.5
HYPER LV.10
ANOTHER LV.11
LEGGENDARIA LV.12

6K(DJMAX STANDARD) :
BASIC LV.5
HARD LV.11
SPECIAL LV.17

打起来觉得累啊?
那就对了///
不累?
爷爷


[Emiria]
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Sky_Demon
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Sandalphon
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paperlens

biemote wrote:

STAR:
paperles*2
?????‘

首先是00:23:971 (23971|0,24087|2) - 这种note的问题 我的意见是用jack
1.这种东西很影响读谱,换成jack可以让人省去一个note的读谱压力
2.这种东西及其影响判定,人耳是很难听清这里的snap的 你这样摆一定会打成1/4的snap导致局部判定崩溃甚至整体读谱崩溃
3.使用jack一方面适应正常人的手速让它可以更轻松押300 另一方面降低读谱难度 何乐而不为
4.jack并不难,而且这里本来也是同音,而且可以让后面的谱面更富有变zuo化you性pai,便于突出00:24:231 - 高音等特征音
5.你连这个jack都没用 还什么玛丽罗斯授权 玛丽罗斯看不起你啦


00:26:515 (26515|2,26572|1,26659|0) - 你说你这让我怎么打判定

00:44:087 - 说真的 滚来滚去很难判定 根本不知道在打什么,00:44:347 - 之后00:44:434 - 把这四个鼓音换成左右拍来与前面区分

00:46:168 - 00:57:266 - 这段全曲最累

01:15:301 - 这种pattern看了真的很气,我十分建议你用pattern的不同来区分1/6和1/4而不是一路滚

01:15:994 - 你问我左右拍和一路滚哪个更垃圾?我选择:都垃圾

01:25:532 - 右手这里是反人类的。而且01:25:879 - 你都双键,这里为什么不能双键?

01:28:480 - 不知道你觉不觉得这里高潮的太早了然后01:29:174 - 这里又早泄了
鼓音建议使用1/2jack

01:29:867 (89867|4,89954|5,90041|3) - 这个我认为应该321滚。这个音有什么必要用这种费力的pattern来强调呢

01:35:416 - 首先全双键就很没道理
其次两边一起321更没道理
01:35:503 (95503|1,95590|0) - Ctrl+J

01:36:110 (96110|5,96717|4,96804|5) - 请使用OD10来一发轻松愉快的300

01:39:925 - 我觉得我在O2jam

01:40:445 (100445|5) - 这啥 那01:40:619 - 为什么没有

01:41:659 - 你主要想让我说这里?仔细打开editor看 就更不明白你现在的pattern是怎么想出来的了……把鼓音和琴音分开然后琴音按pitch不是简单粗暴又好玩……

01:49:983 - 这里会难主要是因为你1/8和1/4根本就没有分开……打个P啊……闭着眼睛滚和睁着眼睛打是一个效果……
你问我我会怎么摆?我仔细考虑了一下我会摆面海+适量jack 我想那不是你想看的
Topic Starter
biemote

paperlens wrote:

biemote wrote:

STAR:
paperles*2
?????‘

首先是00:23:971 (23971|0,24087|2) - 这种note的问题 我的意见是用jack
1.这种东西很影响读谱,换成jack可以让人省去一个note的读谱压力
2.这种东西及其影响判定,人耳是很难听清这里的snap的 你这样摆一定会打成1/4的snap导致局部判定崩溃甚至整体读谱崩溃
3.使用jack一方面适应正常人的手速让它可以更轻松押300 另一方面降低读谱难度 何乐而不为
4.jack并不难,而且这里本来也是同音,而且可以让后面的谱面更富有变zuo化you性pai,便于突出00:24:231 - 高音等特征音
5.你连这个jack都没用 还什么玛丽罗斯授权 玛丽罗斯看不起你啦


00:26:515 (26515|2,26572|1,26659|0) - 你说你这让我怎么打判定

00:44:087 - 说真的 滚来滚去很难判定 根本不知道在打什么,00:44:347 - 之后00:44:434 - 把这四个鼓音换成左右拍来与前面区分

00:46:168 - 00:57:266 - 这段全曲最累

01:15:301 - 这种pattern看了真的很气,我十分建议你用pattern的不同来区分1/6和1/4而不是一路滚

01:15:994 - 你问我左右拍和一路滚哪个更垃圾?我选择:都垃圾

01:25:532 - 右手这里是反人类的。而且01:25:879 - 你都双键,这里为什么不能双键?

01:28:480 - 不知道你觉不觉得这里高潮的太早了然后01:29:174 - 这里又早泄了
鼓音建议使用1/2jack

01:29:867 (89867|4,89954|5,90041|3) - 这个我认为应该321滚。这个音有什么必要用这种费力的pattern来强调呢

01:35:416 - 首先全双键就很没道理
其次两边一起321更没道理
01:35:503 (95503|1,95590|0) - Ctrl+J

01:36:110 (96110|5,96717|4,96804|5) - 请使用OD10来一发轻松愉快的300

01:39:925 - 我觉得我在O2jam

01:40:445 (100445|5) - 这啥 那01:40:619 - 为什么没有

01:41:659 - 你主要想让我说这里?仔细打开editor看 就更不明白你现在的pattern是怎么想出来的了……把鼓音和琴音分开然后琴音按pitch不是简单粗暴又好玩……

01:49:983 - 这里会难主要是因为你1/8和1/4根本就没有分开……打个P啊……闭着眼睛滚和睁着眼睛打是一个效果……
你问我我会怎么摆?我仔细考虑了一下我会摆面海+适量jack 我想那不是你想看的
大部分都fix掉了
很有用的mod!
感谢~
[Emiria]
这波我很强
拆车拆好了
pocket-Gao
hi
6K

BASIC
00:27:613 (27613|3) - |5|
00:59:347 - 这和之后一小段都建议2note,
01:29:174 (89174|5,89520|2) - 总感觉怪怪的(
01:49:983 - 结尾做难一点或者弄LN吧,不然感觉刻意少了什么东西一样

Hard
00:35:677 (35677|4) - |4| 感觉00:35:677 (35677|4,35763|5,35850|3) - 这种排列感觉就是各种切指一样(
没了

SPECIAL
00:23:711 - 突然1note 感觉有点塞
00:34:203 - 感觉有音 这难度可以抓

00:37:064 - |6|
00:39:578 (39578|3,39578|5,39578|0,39665|1,39752|2,39752|4,39838|3,39925|5,39925|2,39925|0) - 可以考虑下[img=http://puu.sh/obBzV/f852a10f45.jpg]这样[/img]

00:43:567 (43567|5) - |5|

00:44:174 (44174|5) - 这可能打起来很怪
00:44:954 (44954|1,44954|4,45301|1,45301|4) - 可以考虑换成3note拍砖

good luck
Topic Starter
biemote

pocket-Gao wrote:

hi
6K

BASIC
00:27:613 (27613|3) - |5| ok
00:59:347 - 这和之后一小段都建议2note, 这后面的有cha音的位置我才会考虑用双键
01:29:174 (89174|5,89520|2) - 总感觉怪怪的( 没哟对鼓点的悲哀(
01:49:983 - 结尾做难一点或者弄LN吧,不然感觉刻意少了什么东西一样
对,刻意压难度,超2星就要出事(...

Hard
00:35:677 (35677|4) - |4| 你说卡手有多好(误
感觉00:35:677 (35677|4,35763|5,35850|3) - 这种排列感觉就是各种切指一样(...切指?
没了

SPECIAL
00:23:711 - 突然1note 感觉有点塞 这里对的主音和....cicici?这里的1note只有主音没有cicic(....
00:34:203 - 感觉有音 这难度可以抓 别太塞了啊OTZ

00:37:064 - |6| OK
00:39:578 (39578|3,39578|5,39578|0,39665|1,39752|2,39752|4,39838|3,39925|5,39925|2,39925|0) - 可以考虑下[img=http://puu.sh/obBzV/f852a10f45.jpg]这样[/img] 这样的话..似乎和下面有冲突啊...

00:43:567 (43567|5) - |5| 打起来会有点奇怪.

00:44:174 (44174|5) - 这可能打起来很怪 换了一下....主要是我也没想到其他排列
00:44:954 (44954|1,44954|4,45301|1,45301|4) - 可以考虑换成3note拍砖 有cha音的我才放3note....

good luck
感谢mod~
diamdiam
8K N
00:01:775 (1775|3,3162|3,4549|3,5937|3,7324|3,8711|3,10098|3) - 右移
01:19:463 (79463|1) - 移到右手
8K H
00:34:723 (34723|0,34723|1,34896|0,34896|2,35070|1,35070|0) - 皿+12連打會卡手
00:39:838 (39838|1,39925|2,39925|0) - 卡手
01:19:463 - 01:33:335 - 前倚音的地方加個note會更自然
zwc7086
新人水摸
6K B
00:19:636 - 违和感

00:21:717 (21717|3) - 和上面其实挺呼应的

00:23:971 (23971|0) - 不太明白

00:34:896 - 和前后都一样的啦

00:40:445 - 同上

6K H
01:29:954 (89954|5) - 感觉前面也抓上更好

01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - 有些许诡异

6K(抖)S

01:17:815 (77815|5,77902|4,77989|3) - 3 4 5

没什么好说的,很好的谱面 就是比马力罗斯的还鬼畜
liaoxingyao
[8K Normal]
感觉这个star有点危险,可以尝试降到1.85左右
[8K Hyper]
00:28:133 (28133|7,28220|7) - 不推荐用jack,毕竟Hyper,感觉会被小朋友说的
01:52:584 (112584|4) - 还是1/4吧
[8K Another]
00:24:087 (24087|4) - snap错了吧 后面的地方也是
01:52:584 (112584|2) - 1/8
[8K xxxxx]
00:24:087 (24087|4) - 同Another
00:33:769 (33769|7) - delete?
01:16:341 (76341|7,76428|6,76515|7,76601|6) - ??其实这里也1/6更好些
01:52:584 (112584|7,112642|6,112700|5) - 1/4吧
水完跑路
CWRU-RYU Li
没什么硬伤,这图难度是有的,而且谱型很丰富。
Topic Starter
biemote

zwc7086 wrote:

新人水摸
6K B
00:19:636 - 违和感 加了一个

00:21:717 (21717|3) - 和上面其实挺呼应的

00:23:971 (23971|0) - 不太明白 ...一个听起来像"吸溜"的音...?噗

00:34:896 - 和前后都一样的啦 没有pedal音所以没有刻意加

00:40:445 - 同上

6K H
01:29:954 (89954|5) - 感觉前面也抓上更好 ..?

01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - 有些许诡异 ...!

6K(抖)S

01:17:815 (77815|5,77902|4,77989|3) - 3 4 5 因为我觉得音高在下降所以我这么摆的

没什么好说的,很好的谱面 就是比马力罗斯的还鬼畜
poi
[ A v a l o n ]
mod
|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|


[8K Normal]
00:19:636 - important kick sound (still same part as your next pattern) you can add a 1/2 note for exchange that sound
00:25:359 (25359|3,25705|1) - make this same column ? like your other parts
01:04:549 (64549|2) - move to 4, you didn't use 2 note in same column in your previous pattern
01:06:977 (66977|1,67671|1) - you can arrange this part to different column, it sounds different pitch
01:30:041 - 01:30:388 - i think will be better to add extra notes here, since this part contains much of kick sound (just different from other part)
01:37:151 - http://puu.sh/oEHHg/40f2810bed.jpg more get the "feel" for this part

[6K Hard]
00:34:289 (34289|5,34289|1,34463|0,34463|4) - Ctrl G for more respect to the pitch sound, just same as 00:33:856 -
00:34:723 - http://puu.sh/oEHYM/ffe20eb84d.jpg it feels more fit
00:39:578 (39578|5,39578|2,39665|0,39752|3,39838|5,39925|1,39925|4,40012|2,40098|5,40098|0) - seriously, i prefer stair to express this piano roll sound, feels more better than random 1/4 placing
00:46:168 - start here, i lost interest for this diff, i think this kind of note 00:46:977 (46977|1,47093|1,47324|0,47440|0) - is not really fit to express piano sound here, prefer to make it different column with easy pattern flows with stairs
01:16:688 - to 01:18:509 - http://puu.sh/oEIAv/749444eeb6.jpg try it please
01:55:532 - have an extra piano sound like previous note, add note on it

[8K Hard]
00:36:572 - still many like that in other part, i just want to mention one part for this
seems this part is contains 1/6 sound, not 1/4 (i think bie's diff is correct for snap this sound)

good luck owo
Topic Starter
biemote

[ A v a l o n ] wrote:

[6K Hard]
00:34:289 (34289|5,34289|1,34463|0,34463|4) - Ctrl G for more respect to the pitch sound, just same as 00:33:856 -
00:34:723 - http://puu.sh/oEHYM/ffe20eb84d.jpg it feels more fit no change...as i think now this pattern is better....to read?
00:39:578 (39578|5,39578|2,39665|0,39752|3,39838|5,39925|1,39925|4,40012|2,40098|5,40098|0) - seriously, i prefer stair to express this piano roll sound, feels more better than random 1/4 placing it's not random mapping in fact...sorry
00:46:168 - start here, i lost interest for this diff, i think this kind of note 00:46:977 (46977|1,47093|1,47324|0,47440|0) - is not really fit to express piano sound here, prefer to make it different column with easy pattern flows with stairs oh.......but i feel it will be a little awkward to play 1/3-roll in 6K so i choose jack,,,,,
01:16:688 - to 01:18:509 - http://puu.sh/oEIAv/749444eeb6.jpg try it please changed some wwwww
01:55:532 - have an extra piano sound like previous note, add note on it OK~
Topic Starter
biemote

[ A v a l o n ] wrote:

[6K Hard]
00:34:289 (34289|5,34289|1,34463|0,34463|4) - Ctrl G for more respect to the pitch sound, just same as 00:33:856 -
00:34:723 - http://puu.sh/oEHYM/ffe20eb84d.jpg it feels more fit no change...as i think now this pattern is better....to read?
00:39:578 (39578|5,39578|2,39665|0,39752|3,39838|5,39925|1,39925|4,40012|2,40098|5,40098|0) - seriously, i prefer stair to express this piano roll sound, feels more better than random 1/4 placing it's not random mapping in fact...sorry
00:46:168 - start here, i lost interest for this diff, i think this kind of note 00:46:977 (46977|1,47093|1,47324|0,47440|0) - is not really fit to express piano sound here, prefer to make it different column with easy pattern flows with stairs oh.......but i feel it will be a little awkward to play 1/3-roll in 6K so i choose jack,,,,,
01:16:688 - to 01:18:509 - http://puu.sh/oEIAv/749444eeb6.jpg try it please changed some wwwww
01:55:532 - have an extra piano sound like previous note, add note on it OK~
Bruce
8K N
01:18:769 (78769|3) - 略有违和感

01:22:237 (82237|6) - 这个有点不人性了 到白线或者红线吧

01:22:844 - 加上比较好

01:33:769 - 同上

01:37:844 (97844|5) - 如果是主音的话应该在 01:37:757 -

8K H
00:39:838 (39838|1,39925|0,39925|2) - 身为1P的db竟然做出了对2P这么友好的排列..

01:22:844 - +note

01:33:942 - +note

8K A
01:22:844 - +note

01:33:942 - +note

8K L
01:56:312 (116312|3) - 右移一格

水完了
paperlens
什么 小星居然还会摸图
震惊
Critical_Star
Halo, mod as requested~

1 2 3 4 5 6

6K SPECIAL
00:47:555 - 00:48:942 - 00:50:330 - 00:51:717 - 00:53:104 - 00:54:492 - here actually can be double note for crash too..
01:16:341 (76341|1,76341|5,76399|4,76428|0,76457|3,76515|2,76515|5,76601|3,76601|1) - here should be full 1/6 stream
01:40:272 (100272|3,100272|2) - feel better to end at 01:40:619 -
01:40:619 - would have prefer to add a note here instead 01:40:445 (100445|5) -
01:52:671 (112671|2,112714|3,112757|0) - feel much comfortable > http://puu.sh/rfwdC/f27421b334.jpg

6K HARD
01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - same like in special
01:46:688 (106688|5,106688|0,107035|5,107035|0) - these LN are for 1/8 sound right? then u should make them all into 1/2 long

6K BASIC
00:40:185 (40185|1,40185|4,40445|3) - both of them should be double here, can't really see any difference sound between them
00:57:266 (57266|5,57266|0,57613|2,57960|1,57960|4) - if u catch crash and clap with double here, why not at 00:58:653 (58653|5,59000|0,59347|3) -
01:04:896 - bere tbe clap sound is louder, i think u can use double note here too
01:06:977 - 01:07:671 - how about use a LN here , it feels so empty here or at least add a note for these timing
01:22:237 (82237|1) - should end at 01:22:671 -
01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - feel better to end at 01:40:619 - the sound stop here


好运~ :D
Topic Starter
biemote

paperlens wrote:

什么 小星居然还会摸图
震惊
什么,纸飞机居然还会看过期论坛

Critical_Star wrote:

Halo, mod as requested~

1 2 3 4 5 6

6K SPECIAL
00:47:555 - 00:48:942 - 00:50:330 - 00:51:717 - 00:53:104 - 00:54:492 - here actually can be double note for crash too.. about this part,cuz i want to make a relaxing part,so i give up thess crash sound
01:16:341 (76341|1,76341|5,76399|4,76428|0,76457|3,76515|2,76515|5,76601|3,76601|1) - here should be full 1/6 stream oh....THANK YOU~changed~
01:40:272 (100272|3,100272|2) - feel better to end at 01:40:619 - OK
01:40:619 - would have prefer to add a note here instead 01:40:445 (100445|5) - no change
01:52:671 (112671|2,112714|3,112757|0) - feel much comfortable > http://puu.sh/rfwdC/f27421b334.jpg OK

6K HARD
01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - same like in special OK
01:46:688 (106688|5,106688|0,107035|5,107035|0) - these LN are for 1/8 sound right? then u should make them all into 1/2 long ....sorry.....i like this X_Xno change

6K BASIC
00:40:185 (40185|1,40185|4,40445|3) - both of them should be double here, can't really see any difference sound between them haven't heard a crash sound at 00:40:445 - ,so i just put one note
00:57:266 (57266|5,57266|0,57613|2,57960|1,57960|4) - if u catch crash and clap with double here, why not at 00:58:653 (58653|5,59000|0,59347|3) -
01:04:896 - bere tbe clap sound is louder, i think u can use double note here too the same reason with 00:40:445 -
01:06:977 - 01:07:671 - how about use a LN here , it feels so empty here or at least add a note for these timing no change
01:22:237 (82237|1) - should end at 01:22:671 - no change....
01:40:272 (100272|5,100272|0) - feel better to end at 01:40:619 - the sound stop here OK


好运~ :D
thank you for mod~
[Emiria]
原来我改名了
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