22:03 Nao Tomori: 00:02:545 (3) - this should be the same shape as 1 and 2 
22:03 Nao Tomori: since it's the same sound
22:03 Troll: ok my first part ends at 33:463
22:03 Nao Tomori: so you should make it a slower slider of the same size and shape
22:04 Troll: hmm
22:05 Nao Tomori: someething like this 
22:05 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927069
22:05 Troll: im trying to make it more like
22:05 Troll: well
22:06 Troll: make it flow to the next one
22:06 Nao Tomori: then reverse 1 or something 
22:06 Nao Tomori: the idea is that since it's the same sound it should look the same 
22:06 Nao Tomori: plus having 2 sliders that are identical and then one random curvy one looks weird
22:07 Troll: i meant to 00:03:157 (1) -
22:07 Nao Tomori: you could make all of the sliders point upwards
22:09 Nao Tomori: moving on 
22:09 Nao Tomori: 00:04:075 (4,5,6) - this is completely the wrong rhythm
22:09 Troll: ok
22:09 Nao Tomori: so the piano changes notes 00:04:075 -  and 00:04:075 -
22:09 Nao Tomori: er..
22:09 Nao Tomori: 00:04:229 - 
22:10 Nao Tomori: so you want to put circles on those
22:11 Troll: i think its following the guitar or something
22:11 Nao Tomori: but the piano is so much move obvious 
22:11 Nao Tomori: why not follow that?
22:11 Troll: this rhythm was michaels suggestion
22:11 Troll: or io
22:11 Nao Tomori: it's unintuitive
22:12 Nao Tomori: you should be trying to follow the most obvious parts in the song 
22:12 Nao Tomori: which is the piano here
22:13 Nao Tomori: hmm the song's rhythm is pretty weird
22:17 Nao Tomori: my laptop killed itself =(
22:17 Troll: rip
22:18 Troll: so
22:18 Troll: i was saying
22:18 Troll: i used to follow the piano rhythm
22:18 Troll: but people complained the rhythm was hard to read
22:18 Nao Tomori: that's where spacing comes in
22:19 Nao Tomori: because 4,5,6 should be the same spacing 
22:19 Nao Tomori: which should be higher spacing than 3 to 4 
22:20 Troll: even if its perfectly distance snapped
22:20 Nao Tomori: that's their problem
22:21 Troll: if you dont know the way the piano is playing you cant expect the rhythm
22:21 Nao Tomori: it isnt that hard to read though
22:22 Troll: so more specifically
22:22 Troll: are you suggesting just 3 circles
22:22 Troll: or a circle and a slider
22:22 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927124
22:24 Troll: i'd rather just stay on the base rhythm
22:24 Nao Tomori: then just make it a bunch of 1/2 sliders starting on the white tick 
22:24 Nao Tomori: might sound kinda weird though
22:24 Nao Tomori: 00:05:300 (9) - this should be NC'd 
22:25 Troll: i think it might be ok if 5-6 get are a slider
22:25 Nao Tomori: 00:06:218 (2) - this slider should be 4 ticks at 1/6 snap 
22:25 Nao Tomori: from the white tick to the red tick
22:25 Nao Tomori: 00:08:055 (1) - this note shouldn't exist
22:26 Nao Tomori: 00:09:127 (2) - this slider is problematic
22:26 Nao Tomori: because the strongest sound near there is under (1)
22:26 Troll: 00:08:055 (1) - i disagree, it goes with the drum
22:27 Nao Tomori: ok i hear it now
22:27 Troll: jk
22:27 Troll: with the piano
22:27 Nao Tomori: it's super ultra quiet though
22:27 Troll: both really
22:27 Nao Tomori: 6 goes with the piano
22:27 Troll: i use default skin
22:27 Nao Tomori: the drum in the song is quiet
22:27 Troll: and the hitsound emphasizes it
22:27 Nao Tomori: it's passable
22:28 Nao Tomori: i mean it's fine i just wouldn't have mapped it personally
22:29 Nao Tomori: 00:08:973 - this note should be a slider or a repeat slider
22:29 Nao Tomori: because it has a lot of emphasis
22:29 Troll: finish hitsound?
22:29 Nao Tomori: you could just ctrl g 1 and 2 
22:30 Nao Tomori: 00:08:973 - there should be a circle here
22:30 Troll: 2 follows the whatever instrument that is tho
22:30 Troll: where
22:30 Nao Tomori: ..
22:30 Nao Tomori: i hate osu tbh
22:30 Nao Tomori: it doesnt like doing the 
22:31 Nao Tomori: timing points unless theres a note
22:31 Nao Tomori: one sec
22:31 Nao Tomori: 00:09:586 (3) - 
22:31 Nao Tomori: 00:10:810 (10) - 
22:31 Nao Tomori: 00:11:116 (2) - this could be made into 2 circles 
22:32 Troll: i didnt want that one to be the same as the next 3 tho
22:32 Nao Tomori: but it should be the same 
22:32 Nao Tomori: cuz it's the same sounds right 
22:32 Troll: no idt so?
22:33 Troll: yeah there some weird sound where the sliders at
22:33 Nao Tomori: it's a piano hitting a note a bunch
22:33 Troll: were talking about 00:11:116 (2) - ?
22:33 Nao Tomori: yes
22:33 Troll: its got some synthy nouse
22:33 Troll: noise
22:33 Nao Tomori: the most obvious sound there is a piano though
22:33 Nao Tomori: 00:11:882 (1) - this shouldn't be a new combo 
22:33 Troll: lol
22:34 Nao Tomori: 00:12:035 (2) - this should be a new combo
22:34 Troll: its not obvious to me at all
22:34 Nao Tomori: 00:12:341 (1) - this shouldn't be a new combo
22:34 Troll: is there a specific reason why
22:34 Nao Tomori: yeah
22:35 Nao Tomori: the idea behind new combos 
22:35 Nao Tomori: is to follow phrases in the song
22:35 Troll: also the piano from earlier ends here 00:11:729 (3) -
22:35 Nao Tomori: at 00:12:035 (2) -  there is a new instrument
22:35 Nao Tomori: so it is a new combo
22:35 Troll: and the triangles follow the guiyar
22:36 Nao Tomori: yeah 
22:36 Troll: i also feel like its harder to read that way
22:37 Troll: i should prob just remap
22:37 Troll: but i like the triangles
22:37 Nao Tomori: you could make it into an x shape
22:37 Nao Tomori: cuz 1,2 is a piano 
22:37 Nao Tomori: 3,1 is a guitar
22:37 Nao Tomori: 2,3 is some kind of synth
22:37 Nao Tomori: 1,2 is also a synth
22:38 Troll: i just mentally grouped the drum/guitar/bass into a 3-3-2 kinda thing
22:39 Nao Tomori: hmm
22:39 Nao Tomori: i think 2-2-2-2 makes a little more sense
22:39 Nao Tomori: or rather 2-2-4
22:39 Troll: that is if you're listening to the synth and piano
22:39 Nao Tomori: yeah 
22:39 Troll: honestly i dont think theyre as prominent here
22:39 Nao Tomori: might be something going on with my headphones then
22:40 Nao Tomori: cuz i can barely hear a guitar compared to piano and synth
22:40 Troll: opposite for me
22:40 Nao Tomori: hmm
22:40 Troll: i think most of this map is based on the bassish stuff
22:40 Troll: like
22:41 Troll: 02:30:861 (1,2,1,2) -
22:41 Troll: we arent following the voice
22:41 Troll: clearly
22:41 Nao Tomori: 02:34:841 (6) - 
22:41 Nao Tomori: please
22:41 Nao Tomori: no
22:41 Troll: nope were keeping that
22:41 Nao Tomori: no you arent
22:41 Troll: at least i convinced michael from flipping the second one
22:41 Nao Tomori: it's cancer ._.
22:42 Nao Tomori: besides, you say that you aren't following the voice 
22:42 Nao Tomori: then this happens
22:42 Troll: ?
22:42 Nao Tomori: 02:46:627 (5,6,7,8,1) - 
22:43 Nao Tomori:  anyway going back to the beginning
22:43 Troll: well
22:43 Troll: the drums are also like that arent they
22:43 Nao Tomori: 00:12:800 (1) - i think this should be stacked on the note before it
22:43 Nao Tomori: or just moved a tiny bit to the right
22:43 Nao Tomori: 00:13:412 (4) - same here exept moved down and left
22:44 Troll: wait what
22:45 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927210
22:46 Troll: thats not what my map looks like :P
22:47 Nao Tomori: oh my nc'ing got messed up
22:47 Nao Tomori: basically where 3 is now is where 1 should be
22:47 Troll: the circles were in the wrong places lol
22:48 Nao Tomori: i don't think so
22:48 Nao Tomori: wait maybe i ctrl gd it or something
22:48 Troll: i dont have any circles where you had them in the ss
22:48 Nao Tomori: anyhow i changed it back to what is uploaded currently
22:49 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927229 
22:49 Nao Tomori: i believe it should look like this 
22:49 Nao Tomori: with 3 and 1 switched
22:52 Troll: dang my internet died
22:52 Nao Tomori: rip
22:53 Troll: its like this now
22:53 Troll: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927248
22:54 Nao Tomori: that makes more sense 
22:54 Nao Tomori: though i would have made 4 into a straight slider
22:54 Nao Tomori: or even what you had before 
22:54 Troll: it kinda blankets 1
22:54 Troll: of the next combo
22:54 Nao Tomori: mm
22:54 Troll: not sure if thats good
22:55 Nao Tomori: yeah it's fine
22:55 Nao Tomori:  i like this next part 
22:56 Nao Tomori: 00:19:841 (1,2,3) - i think this would play better as either notes
22:56 Nao Tomori: or straight opposing sliders
22:56 Troll: i feel like on the 1
22:57 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927267
22:57 Troll: everything seems to suspend
22:57 Troll: oh nvm
22:57 Nao Tomori: yeah 1 is fine imo
22:57 Nao Tomori: you could make the second part of it blanket 3 b
22:57 Nao Tomori: brb
23:07 Nao Tomori: i am back
23:08 Troll: ok
23:09 Nao Tomori: 00:31:627 (2,3) - i think these should be circles
23:09 Nao Tomori: in an expanding pattern
23:11 Nao Tomori: and from there it's io's part right
23:11 Troll: yeah
23:12 Nao Tomori: 01:17:545 - is this you
23:12 Troll: yeah
23:12 Nao Tomori: 01:34:993 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this pattern doesnt make much sense here
23:13 Nao Tomori: since the music itself isnt going back and forth
23:13 Troll: it doesnt?
23:13 Nao Tomori: i don't think it does
23:13 Nao Tomori: sounds more like a triangle to me
23:14 Troll: i really like that part so
23:14 Troll: i doubt ill change it
23:15 Nao Tomori: hmm
23:15 Nao Tomori: i think somethingl ike this works better 
23:15 Nao Tomori: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4927345
23:15 Troll: lol why ru changing skins every time
23:16 Nao Tomori: i only changed it once ;w;
23:16 Nao Tomori: cuz one of them didnt have default hitsound and this one does
23:16 Troll: hmm
23:17 Troll: oops
23:17 Nao Tomori: 01:35:758 (7,1,1) - i would make this into a slightly spaced line of notes
23:17 Nao Tomori: and then make 01:36:370 (1,2,3,4) - into a triangle
23:18 Troll: i think im keeping this whole part
23:18 Troll: ? is it not already
23:18 Nao Tomori: yeah but it's sideways
23:18 Nao Tomori: like 2 and 3 should be flipped imo
23:18 Nao Tomori: since your way makes the cursor move right
23:18 Nao Tomori: and then go up into a stream suddenly
23:19 Nao Tomori: and if you flip 2,3 then it flows into the stream insteaed
23:19 Nao Tomori: after you move 3 down more ofc
23:19 Troll: yeah
23:20 Troll: im not going to change it that much
23:20 Nao Tomori: you don't need to change much just like 1 or 2 notes there
23:21 Troll: no im keeping the pattern :P
23:21 Nao Tomori: ._.
23:21 Nao Tomori: but it's backwards 
23:21 Nao Tomori: 01:42:341 (2) - how come you change rhythm here randomly?
23:21 Troll: well i did switch 2 and 3
23:22 Troll: for variety lol
23:22 Nao Tomori: ctrl g on 2 and 3 makes a lot more sense
23:22 Nao Tomori: mm well
23:22 Nao Tomori: you don't want to have different rhythms for the same sound
23:22 Nao Tomori: that doesn't make much sense
23:24 Troll: i guess i change it
23:24 Nao Tomori: 02:24:892 (4,5) - earlier these were two notes
23:24 Nao Tomori: why aren't they now?
23:24 Nao Tomori: as in, each slider was 2 notes
23:25 Troll: oh
23:25 Troll: idk thats michaels part
23:25 Nao Tomori: well change it for him
23:25 Troll: do u see the bookmark
23:25 Nao Tomori: it's dumb
23:25 Troll: meh
23:25 Troll: he has 2 sliders at the end too
23:26 Nao Tomori: change those as well 
23:26 Nao Tomori: it doesn't make sense to have two sliders lol
23:26 Troll: lol
23:26 Troll: he has 2 sliders at the end too
23:26 Nao Tomori: it's clearly two different notes so why have two sliders
23:27 Troll: idk
23:27 Troll: 'style'
23:27 Nao Tomori: w/e i'll complain about that to him