_underjoy wrote:

Normal

00:38:715 (38715|2,39534|2,41715|1,43079|3,46079|0) - ghost notki, rozumiem że dane po to żeby LNy puszczało się łatwiej, ale mimo wszystko nie ma pod nie wystarczająco słyszalnych dźwięków (słychać jakieś minipiknięcie hihata czy czegoś ale jest ono praktycznie niezauważalne, zwłaszcza że nutki na 1/1 są pod co innego (pod kick). Proponowałbym po prostu pominąć te dźwięki i dać notkę co 1/1 na kicka (mimo, że wtedy te LN na offbeat są trudniejsze, ale bardziej poprawne technicznie)nope, nie są to ghost notki tak czy siak, a dzięki temu trzyma się flow
00:49:897 - 00:54:261 - jeżeli dajesz notki na pianino w przejściach, możesz też rozważyć danie ich tutaj pod to samo pianinko. Ale bez nich też jest ok praktycznie nie słyszalne, więc nope, szczególnie że to normal
01:02:422 (62422|3,62422|2,62689|0,62689|1) - sugerowałbym dać to po jednej notce, jako że wcześniej takie bursty akcentowałeś pojedynczymi LNami, a teraz ten burst ma większą siłę jak dużo mocniejszy crash na 01:02:955 - done
01:09:737 (69737|2,69737|3,69998|1,69998|0) - ^ done
01:29:567 - brakuje notki na crasha, nawet jeżeli planowałeś skupić się na 1/2 to spokojnie da tu radę wcisnąć chorda przy lekkiej zmianie patterningu (chord na [12] lub [34]) Wcześniej postawiłem tutaj chorda, ale niestety dodanie tej notki strasznie boostuje SR (do 2,3), przez co pierwsze spojrzenie na spread wygląda brzydko :/
01:51:619 (111619|0,111690|1,111762|2,111833|3) - 1/3 280bpm na normalu, hmm imo trochę ryzykowne, usunąłbym 2 środkowe notki z tego i zaakcentował jedynie początek i koniec. Nie jestem w stanie ocenić trudności, bo niby pattern prosty i się to łatwo gra, a z drugiej strony to jest praktycznie 1/6 140bpm na Normalu (gdzie rzadko na Normalach używa się 1/4) 1234 i vice versa to najprostsze co może być jeśli chodzi o "bursty" według mnie jest okej, często spotyka się na łatwych nawet pianinach coś takiego (patrz moje sedap malam)
01:52:262 (112262|0,113119|0) - nie słyszę pod co to jest, jeżeli ma akcentować to 01:53:976 - tutaj również powinno coś stać. Ale mimo wszystko te notki nie są aż tak potrzebne. zapomniałem naprawić, dodana notka do brakującego
01:54:262 (114262|1,114333|2) - jak wyżej nope
02:24:706 (144706|1,144778|2) - ^ ^
02:25:278 (145278|0,146135|0,146992|0,147849|0) - w odniesieniu do 01:52:262, tutaj wyraźnie słychać po do jest chord. Tamta sekcja nie jest tak silna. ale krótsza
02:29:778 - jak wyżej z tymi 1/3 zostawiam, ale poprawiłem na 1234, bo faktycznie 2314 może być już too hard na normala

Hyper

00:19:226 (19226|3,19476|0,19726|3) - nie lepiej skupić się po prostu na crashach? Ten pattern jest całkiem trudny zwłaszcza, że wymusza grę na zewnątrz, a te notki w zasadzie nie są wyróżnialne na tle tego, co się tam dzieje. Tak więc usunąłbym przynajmniej pierwsze dwie, a jak już zostawiasz to przynajmniej przesunąłbym te dwie do środka na 3 i 2. Racja, usunąłem notki i przekształciłem 2chordy w 3chordy żeby nie było jak w normalu
00:38:715 (38715|2) - i tak dalej, podobny problem co w Normalu, niektóre z tych notek są odczuwalne jako ghost. 1/1 kick powinien załatwić sprawę. nope tak samo jak w normalu
00:47:443 (47443|2,50443|1,51806|3,54806|0) - z tymi podobny problem. Ostatnia z nich jeżeli nie jest pod ten 1/4 hihat (a pewnie nie jest bo go tu nie zmapiłeś), to też jest raczej do usunięcia. pls, nie wchodzą tu w grę żadne ghost notki więc nie ma co usuwać, zresztą jest dobre playability
01:05:824 (65824|0) - do 3, żeby współgrać z patternem wcześniej ok
01:41:138 (101138|3,101274|0) - skupiasz się tutaj wyłącznie na pianinku, więc nie jestem pewien co do tych notek pod kicka. fakt, ale to jest po prostu zbyt znaczące zakończenie calm partu by go zignorować, więc zostaje
01:55:267 (115267|3,115695|3) - co Ty na skupienie się na tej notce na 4 co 1/1 i 01:56:445 (116445|3,116552|0,116981|0) - zamianie tych notek miejscami (z 1 na 4 i z 4 na 1)? potem mirror dalszego patternu. ok
01:58:267 (118267|0,118374|3) - nie pasuje mi to, dałbym 2 3 [14] <- LN, bo kompletnie nie mapujesz bursta i LNy dajesz pod coś co powinno być singlenotkami. fakt, fixd
02:31:063 - 3-chord bo crash? ok

Black Another

00:34:224 - dalej twierdzę że to jest cięższe niż w Limbo bo wymaga readingu, no ale star rating :/ rip
00:38:715 (38715|1,39534|1,41715|2,43079|1,43897|1) - jak wcześniej, tbh usunięcie ich nawet na wyższych diffach ma sens bo prostsze sekcje powinny być raczej bardziej klarowne. W drugiej części podobnie, chociaż tam gdzie streamy tam oczywiście jest okej. się uczepiłeś tych notek jak nie wiem
00:54:806 (54806|2,54874|3) - tego hihatu nie zmapowałeś 00:46:147 - tutaj, a jest to analogiczna sekcja. fixd
01:17:275 (77275|2,77386|2,77497|1,77608|1) - do zewnętrznych kolumn? imo jest nieco lepszy balans rąk przy takich handach. ok
02:12:849 - pomysł: zacznij to od chorda [12] i wtedy będzie mógł skończyć tutaj również [12][34] chordami. na Limbo jest spam jumptrillami i pp więc [14][23] są logiczne, ale tutaj mógłbyś jednak nieco ułatwić wejście w te quady. fixd
02:21:421 (141421|1) - zrób tam miejsce na 3-chorda, crash za mocny żeby to pominąć fixd

Bimbo

00:12:010 - jest opcja grace jeżeli chcesz urozmaicić, te pianinka tu nie są równe za tą sugestie to powinienem Ci flache postawić, uwielbiam grace i to na takim mocnym slowjamie. Nie jestem pewien co do tego dźwięku tutaj 00:18:010 - więc to miejsce bez zmian
00:38:715 (38715|1) - jak wcześniej nope
00:40:897 (40897|2,40965|1,41034|0) - ten kick jest tutaj mocno wtrącony z akcentem na ostatnią notkę więc może jakiś mniej wygodny pattern? 311? zbyt wielkie udziwnienie partu według mnie
00:45:329 - ^ ^
00:58:022 (58022|3) - w zasadzie jest dobrze, ale możesz przesunąć to na 1 żeby zrobić efekt doubletapami done
02:25:653 - tu możesz dodać notkę, pasuje (faktycznie 1/4 jest tylko w tym miejscu w całym tym fragmencie, ale rytmicznie jest okej, a też jakoś nie zaburza harmonii) rip, niestety zaburza harmonie patternów
02:30:635 - tutaj możesz walnąć minibursta na sam koniec, osłabisz pierwszego handa i schodek jak talala. Trochę nie pewny jestem tej zmiany, ale ok, niech Ci będzie

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MrDorian wrote:

Limbo:

00:56:022 (56022|0,57489|1) - może w tym fragmencie zrobisz coś takiego dla uwzględnienia pitchu? odpada, repeaty są celowe

Black Another:

To samo, co wyżej, tylko ctrl+h'nij :cc ^

Hyper:

02:15:635 (135635|0,135635|2,135849|2,135849|1,136063|3,136063|1) - może ctrl+h, bo nibyanchor boli w oczy naprawiłem w inny sposób (przynajmniej poprawiłem coś co nie zgadzało się z normalem dzięki temu xD)

Kocham twoje sv

DDMythical wrote:

1 / 2 / 3 / 4

Black Another

02:19:653 (139653|1,139706|2,139760|0,139813|1,139867|2) - This is insanely awkward to play, applies ridiculous pressure to the left hand. I dont find it insanely awkward to play, its pretty common staircase pattern in speed maps, so no change here

Antalf wrote:

Heeeeeeeeeeeeey, so i saw this map, decided to download, looked cool! First impression when playing it, wao nice patterned and the song is cool but after a while i realized you're using the default HS... I'm not saying this is bad but i'm pretty sure you could do waaaay better with some custom HS. Just dropping this here to know if you're interested in me doing the HS for you, i wouldn't mind at all and i have some that are just so fit for this.

Just throw me a msg in the thread or basically.. anywhere if you like, that way i can know if you want me to do the HS for you.

Antalf wrote:

Couldn't had procrastinated this more :^).

Contents
-3 Kick to chose from
-Crash
-Snare

All EQed by me. If need anything else don't hesitate on throwing a in-game or forum pm (I had a longer pack but that would go out of the "simple" part).

Hitsounds

juankristal wrote:

Heyo Tidek o/

Not really too much, hope it helps and we are talking some of this days to see what to do with hyper/normal.

Limbo

psure you wont take it out but I guess for the sake of consistency using a double directly on 00:00:557 (557|3) - would fit. Also I believe the pattern with that anchor on the 4th column is mindblock material too, which right in the intro seems like a pretty harsh choice from your part. Your call anyways. fixed

00:40:965 (40965|1,45329|1) - I... am not really sure about those 1/4s in all honesty. Like, I can sorta see what you are aiming for with that but there isnt really any song that is perceptible by the player. The one that comes just after this 1/4 tho is noticable as the hihat is stronger. I would suggest delete those notes. No changes here

00:49:352 - Was thinking about using something like this on this part http://puu.sh/vZySB/508997496c.jpg. The reason why I am drafting it that way is that the sound sounds less trill-ish on that particular ending of the 1/4s so would be reasonable to use a more roll-ish pattern there.
Same thing would go for 00:53:715 - not bad ideal, but it will be confict with LN after that, so i keep it as it is

00:55:889 (55889|3,56155|3,56422|3,56689|3,56955|3) - I mean yeah, I get it. But you could mix them up to be more pitch accurate. Maybe this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8221633 ? ok, fixed

01:18:094 (78094|2) - How important is this note for you all the times you use it? Like, besides the fact that spreadwise the gap from black another to limbo is indeed big this note I feel it makes it so much bigger and it doesnt really add that much. This applies to all those in this roll sections. deleted

02:13:055 - This is the best I could come out with I believe for that 4th column anchor http://puu.sh/w5VBq/a5065381b7.jpg. With that you kinda get a lower density on the left hand to be compensated once you go into the jumptril with a 4 note anchor in the first column. Might work out, check it out. not really a fan of that 124 24 chords, but probably it works better, so fixed

02:19:546 (139546|1,139599|3,139653|2) - Are there sounds in there? yes

Black Another

00:20:976 (20976|3,21101|1) - I think a ctrl+g for pitch right there works well.
00:25:702 (25702|2,25827|3) - Same both fixed

00:28:724 (28724|3) - This one to column 3 could work to for the same reasons imo but its a bit trickier as 4th column would be left empty for quite a bit so up to you. no changes

00:31:349 - In this part I link a picture of some mix in the jacks, tried ot make them more pitched as well but having the jacks from white to red since I believe those are the timings where the jack sound happens. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8221669 fixed

00:40:965 (40965|1) - Same point for the 1/4s denied
00:55:889 - Same point for the LNs fixed

01:58:802 - For this part I also believe the jacks should be white into reds so I rearranged the pattern a bit as in the picture: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8221708

I believe overall you can apply (or not) that to the whole section. I dont know if you would like that since you did it the other way around all the map but I wanted to point it out just in case. it will pretty much mess up some patterns between SV sections, so i keep it as it is
02:19:546 (139546|1,139599|0,139653|1) - Same point as limbo. sounds are there

_UJ's Another

00:28:224 (28224|3,28349|3,28474|3) - I like this but it feels a bit outplaced in a difficulty that doesnt really focus on that too much. Instead of deleting them which would be the easier option I would go and try to get more jacks in this section such as making this 00:28:599 (28599|0,28724|2,28974|3,29099|2) - notes 1/2 jacks and overall doing that in this section. moved one note to make it less jacky

00:40:965 (40965|1) - :b: same

00:47:170 (47170|0,47306|0,47579|1,47715|1) - Those tho feel a bit outplaced and it would probably better to just rearrange them.
00:50:579 - Same goes for this ones rearranged

02:19:546 (139546|1,139599|3,139653|2) - :b: same

Hyper

00:38:715 (38715|2,39534|2,40079|2,40897|1,41715|1,42261|1) - In general I found those a bit weird, we should probably check them on IRC to figure out what to do.

01:29:139 (89139|0,89353|0,89567|0,89782|0,89996|0,90157|0,90317|0,90478|0,90639|0) - Mmmh, not a fan of this. Plus UJ on his diff mapped those triples differently kinda preventing that kind of stuff. Again, something that probably have to be discussed on IRC.

Not really much to say other than that for this diff, will be better to get them done on IRC

Normal

00:38:034 - Same thing as hyper.

01:02:422 (62422|2,62689|1) - I would have probably make those 1/2 longer so they are easier to hit and not that hard to release. Up to you. no change, it wont fit with music

02:12:849 (132849|0,133063|1,133278|0) - Would probably do ctrl+h and move it to the left fixed

02:13:706 (133706|0,133813|1,133921|0,134028|1) - This is harder than the hyper so I would probably aim for making it a two handed trill instead. I think 1-4-1-4 into 23-23-14-14 is alright. fixed

_UJ Easy

00:37:489 (37489|0,37761|0,38034|0) - This is a bit op for a new player. Would ctrl+h. Not because the 3 note jack is a problem more so becuase of the LN. I think this is ultra easy to read, mainly because this is one hand chord and 1/1

00:56:955 - I think adding notes on those ticks would make the difficulty a it easier in a sense that it would be more intuitive as the transition from one rythm to another is a bit complicated to understand. (this applies up to here 01:08:041 - ) fixed

juankristal wrote:

There is, howhever, one more thing I want to mention on the hyper diff and is this 02:13:653 (133653|2,133706|1,133813|2,133921|1,134028|2) - which I believe its a bit of a spike compared to the rest of the chart. I am not too sure if I would make it a 1-4 or 2-4 trill or rearrange it in a way that in transitions a bit better.

juankristal wrote:

And about the backgrounds, I am not too sure why they are PNG format, seem to be overweighted because of it. Its probably better to make them JPGs?

juankristal wrote:

Also, you have a duplicated background which is the leaf-i one and Limbo.

Pope Gadget wrote:

misses at the 1/4 minijacks where the crashes are feel less like the players fault and more like the chart is just being an asshole for the sake of replay value to pray that you somehow hit all these sections correctly. I, and I suspect a few others, don't find these enjoyable.Tbh nerfing minijacks where the music is getting the most intensive (crashes) is pretty a easy way to make it too simple. Atleast those minijacks accent intensity of crashes and most of them are at the end of main parts (like that on beginning for example). Tho Im gonna accept 2 sections u mentioned, because your version actually felt there better. Also most of players are FCing them anyway lol

puush is awful and keeps coming up with connection errors when I want a screenshot uploading so here are timestamps instead

For Limbo;
00:02:738 (2738|0) - as above, no
00:19:538 - I think this deserves a single-note at least somewhere here, with the notes afterwards rearranged to fit it. Actually i agree here, your version fits better here
00:55:420 (55420|0) - fjxed here
01:02:889 (62889|3) - here too
01:10:194 (70194|0) - end of a main part, not gonna nerf it
01:14:188 - The left hand here feels unnaturally awkward to lead into. Either change it or add something more to lead up to it better. slowjams are made to be awkward on limbo difficulty, also these are following pitch
01:58:695 (118695|3) - the most intense part, also no
I feel like the section at 01:58 is an extreme ramp-up in difficulty and throws the difficulty curve out of whack. I'd either decrease the difficulty here or increase the difficulty in general. Personally, I'd just get rid of the LNs here up to 02:11:881 - as most of the difficulty is in the hand where the LN leads into the next area. You know that u are changing completely my mapping style here? This part is made to be the hardest in the map, each SVs start ALWAYS at 12 or 34 jump, so transistion is easy enough. Also blank parts at "beep" sounds feels very unnatural
02:05:737 (125737|3) - same as 01:58:695
02:12:421 - This section feels extremely awkward to play. honestly i dont know what u feel uncomfortable here. Your pattern make it similar difficulty to black another so nope
02:30:769 (150769|3) - Although this burst in general is extremely stupid to have during a slowdown from a speedup, and I'd consider just changing it or removing it entirely. Your version fits better here, changed

because I'm nice, here's an .osu already prepared, difficulty name titled "Limbo [Edit]"; http://puu.sh/wvSuY/dd2212be25.osu

glad that this is close to ranked though

Tidek wrote:

Thanks for mod, shame that u modded it when it got qualified, not before lol

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Pope Gadget wrote:

Tidek wrote:

Thanks for mod, shame that u modded it when it got qualified, not before lol

that's what qualified is for, mang. if you want my opinion on something before it gets to qualified stage then feel free to let me know :p

also in reply to some responses;

01:58 - it's the transition out of the LNs, not into the LNs that are the problem. the SVs are perfectly fine.

02:05:737 (125737|3) - you can keep the crash here but at least make it a bit less awkward. this section is supposed to act as at least as a small breather, but instead you have to pray that you bloody well hit it correctly, which is nothing short of a massive irritant when surrounded by the hardest section in the chart.
an idea I thought up in about 5 seconds is something like

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it's jumptrillable but still requires you to be capable of speeding up correctly, so it's still difficult.

02:12:528 (132528|0) - this note is what makes it incredibly awkward - missing something like this is ludicrously easy. with the trill afterwards too, attempting to his this note but off-time means there's a large potential for absolutely bombing the trill, ergo the run is over because of a transition section, not because of a main section, and that's why it's so unnecessarily frustrating.
also I still think the 5-long jack on [34] at 02:13:706 - is preferable simply to compliment the 5-long jack on [12] at 02:14:992 -nerfed it to something like this http://puu.sh/wwzgY/a3b9fa143f.jpg

I really can't stress enough that jumptrills into crashes, especially at 280bpm, feel moreso unfair as opposed to uncomfortable.

I'm passionate about this because this is very well capable of being in my top favourites, but at the minute, to me it feels like there's too high of a luck factor. I've talked with multiple people about this.

obviously everything is up to your opinion
cheers though :thumbsup:

MrDorian wrote:

Skoro jeszcze nie jest ranked, a to, jak pomijałeś pitch mnie boli, to zostawię
Limbo:
01:33:501 (93501|3,93638|1) - powinno być w 2 i 3 kolumniea co dalej? beat jest akcentowany głównie 14, 2 i 3 zepsuje pozostałą część
01:34:729 (94729|0,95001|0,95274|0,95547|0) - to wygląda okropnie, jedyny taki anchor w całym parcie 1/1 anchor jest praktycznie nie wyczuwalny, ale lekko poprawilem bo znalazlem lepsze rozwiazanie dla pitcha
01:34:320 (94320|3,94456|3) - i 01:38:683 (98683|2,98820|2) - nie rozumiem sensu tych minijacków, pitch dla każdej notki jest inny, a dla 01:39:092 (99092|2,99229|1) -, czy 01:39:774 (99774|2,99910|3,100047|2) -, czyli tych samych dźwięków, minijacka nie zrobiłeś. minijacki są pod drumy
01:40:320 (100320|1,100729|2) - to mógłbyś ctrl+h'lnąć dla pitchu imo tutaj jeszcze dalo rade poprawic bez psucia reszty

Według mnie mógłbyś ogarnąć tego parta lepiej, mogłoby to podnieść quality mapy. Ten part jest zrobiony specjalnie niewygodnie, by nie był ten slowjam za łatwy.