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Advice -- going from beginner to 6 star player in 550 plays

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Nabel_old_1

sadpwner wrote:

Well, I don't often play heavy steam maps so my bad if I am wrong. I just found faster streams are much easier than slower ones. Perhaps the wording was wrong. I meant to say, they aren't timed well. This is just my experience while playing short maps. I'll remove it if you want since you seem to have more experience.
Faster streams are easier than slower one because you don't have to follow the rythm, you can just alternate fast.

sadpwner wrote:

lol was sight reading. I'll get an A 2morrow if you wish. Like I said, I don't play the same song pass 5 times so fc is rare 4 me.
Even if you sight read a map you should still have decent scores, 90% of my fcs are first plays.
Saphirshroom

sadpwner wrote:

Come on guys, I specifically said I didn't think I was a good player, and I said I had a lot to learn. I posted advice and if it helps someone, it helps someone.
This will probably hurt people more than anything else

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There are other guides on the forums as well. Are you going to go over there and say they're useless?
See above

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That's subjective.
Twenty people just said basically the same subjective thing.

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I didn't say it was a guide. I said it was advice. I even specified that some of them were mere preference.

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Yeah, I admit my rhythm was absurdly off. I mentioned I was sight reading for a reason.
Your average accuracy is <87%. Reaching 98% shouldn't be a problem even on sightreads.

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lmao, I meant absurdly beyond your level like can't get pass the first 10 seconds. You won't improve if you don't challenge yourself.
1000pp is like 3 stars level.

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Did you even read the reasoning behind why I suggested such?

Why must you play long songs to build stamania? You could play 2 short maps in succession and that's your long map.
Last time I checked, marathon runners run a marathon, not 4 quarters with pauses in between.

Mind explaining why no fail is bad? Unless you are cookiezi tier, score means shit.
With NoFail you circumvent the limits the game imposes on you to protect you. You don't learn anything from mashing through hard sections.

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I have NF on all the time for the reason I stated. Idc what map it is. I believe life drain is artificial difficulty. The end score only matters. The only reason to have NF on is so you can't skip the hard parts of the song. Though, you can generally tell which parts are hard.
Drain keeps you in the right map range. It's not artificial difficulty, it's a wall.

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Well, I don't often play heavy steam maps so my bad if I am wrong. I just found faster streams are much easier than slower ones. Perhaps the wording was wrong. I meant to say, they aren't timed well.
If they get ranked they're timed well.

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lol was sight reading. I'll get an A 2morrow if you wish. Like I said, I don't play the same song pass 5 times so fc is rare 4 me.
See above.
Endaris

Sheikah wrote:

Drezi wrote:

It's dead serious look at his top ranks.
Yep I know but I'm asking about his advice. I mean, I'm a new player and I'm trying to improve my acc, speed and reading at same time. So, sometimes I play normal using mods, sometimes hard songs using hr and sometimes I just try to pass insane songs.

I don't know if I'm going in the right direction or maybe NF can help me. I'm enjoying the game trying reach a decent skill to play some songs that I Like but are just insane or extra.
Try this instead:
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E m i

Saphirshroom wrote:

If they get ranked they're timed well.
are you joking
N0thingSpecial
Why NF is bad?
By nature it nullifies the need to train you consistency.

I could play two short maps and it would give me the same stamina as a long map would give
yes that explains why I can spam TV size in multiplpayer lobby, and why my hands start to shake going into an 1800 combo in a 2200 max combo map. it's not just physical stamina, it also includes your mental state, hence you need consistency, hence again why no fail is bad.

Scores don't matter
They don't, but your skill does
Mahogany

sadpwner wrote:

You won't improve if you don't challenge yourself.
I've almost never challenged myself and I'm more than 4 times better than you.
E m i

Mahogany wrote:

sadpwner wrote:

You won't improve if you don't challenge yourself.
I've almost never challenged myself and I'm more than 4 times better than you.
Is skill a scalar... You're both wrong
Sayorie

Momiji wrote:

Is skill a scalar... You're both wrong
But pp is.
I Give Up

Mahogany wrote:

I've almost never challenged myself and I'm more than 4 times better than you.
rip dignity
silento
I feel like losing a couple of brain cells, lets do this.

sadpwner wrote:

Before I begin, I need to brief on some prerequisites to osu!.
The most important requirement to playing Osu! is enjoying the game. It doesn’t matter why you are playing Osu! but if you are not enjoying the game, just stop. Osu! is a game you play for yourself. You will end up quitting in a month if you aren’t enjoying what you’re playing. Also, no one gives a shit if you can play Osu! well. Most people don’t even know what osu! is. For those that say, ‘I’ll enjoy osu! once I get good at it’, you won’t get “good” at it until you play for a very long time. I recommend you play up to the 5 star songs before you decide whether to quit or not.
Oh shit, actual advice? Holy fuck I may actually think this is-

Don’t force yourself to improve. Improving is a natural process as you play. This means don’t spam osu! for like hours unless you can withstand it mentally and physically. If you notice performance drops or wrist strain, stop playing or take a break. If you strain yourself too hard physically, it just means you can’t play for the next 1-2 days due to injury. I do chin ups and push ups every 2-3 days but I still get pain from too much osu!.
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There is a difference between forcing yourself to improve and pushing yourself to your limits. Forcing yourself to improve is being unnecessarily hard on yourself and going for fcs. Pushing yourself to your limits? Good. That tells you what you lack and what you need to fix it.

Oh and feeling a little hurt is a good thing. This means your muscles didn't shrug off the muscle memory immediately, but rather felt it through. There is a difference between feeling sore and feeling pain, and how both pertain to osu.

Now that the common sense stuff is out of the way, I'll begin. REMEMBER SOME OF THESE ADVICE ARE PURELY SUBJECTIVE AND PREFERENCE. THEY WILL NOT ALL WORK FOR YOU. SOME OF THE THINGS I SAY MIGHT BE WRONG AS THEY ARE BASED ON MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE.
Then why are you saying them? You should get more experience and then make this guide. Thanks for wasting other people's (and my own) time.

Always play songs that are shorter than 1:34. When you play long songs, you are wasting time by playing mostly easy parts that you can already clear –probably. Long songs tend to only have 1 or 2 difficult parts which aren’t really that hard compared to shorter songs. When you are playing short songs, you are always playing the good part. When you play long songs, you have to waste a lot of time playing easy stuff to get to the hard part. You can however use the editor and skip to that part if you really want. You also don’t have the stamina to play long songs. When you get to the 6 star mark, the songs regardless of length will vary a lot in difficult so play w/e.
Bull FUCKING shit. Those who only play tv sizes learn nothing. Long songs force you to ignore the fact that you can simply have another go since they're short. If you restart at 10 minutes into Because Maybe or something, you're some kind of idiot. Long songs make you focus on the song and map a lot more than shorter songs. By playing long songs, you build stamina, reading and consistency. Oh guess what, those are all important. Playing only TV sizes makes people inconsistent as hell. Always vary up the routine by playing long songs.

Always have no fail on. There is really no point of not having no fail on. Unless you can get As on 7 star songs, you aren’t making leader board scores any time soon. No fail allows you to play the song fully which will help you gain more experience than repeatedly restarting over and over to play a part you keep failing. Not to mention it’s more fun to finish the song. You also don’t have to worry about silly mistakes that you know you could have cleared easily. It takes the stress off playing. The only time you want to restart is when you make 2 or more mistakes at a difficult part excluding streams. Having no fail on requires you to be honest.
Hey guess what, there is a point to not have no fail on. Having nofail on tells you nothing about whether you shitpassed a song or you actually can play it but one part is tripping you up. If you fail in a song because of a part, you don't sulk and whine. Get off your ass and fix it. You can't learn to run before you walk.

Don’t waste time restarting if you messed up in the first few seconds.
Always sight read songs and never rely on memorising the song. When you sight read, you are advancing skills that are transferable. Memorising a song is limited to that song and cannot be transferred most of the time. A good way to do this is not to clear the same song more than 1-3 times in the same day. If it’s a hard song with lots of patterns, then you can go for 5-6. That also means don’t retry a song a ton of times for a full combo because you are wasting time. Follow the recommended amount and if you get a fc, good for you. Though, if you can sight read and get a fc, then you should probably play harder songs.
Wow it's almost like you actually gave good avice this time. Pity the rest is questionable at best, trash at worst.

However, if you can sightread and fc, you should play enough to consistently do it. Inconsistency kills osu players.

Don’t play songs that are obviously beyond you. You are wasting time. There are many songs which are your skill level. Play those.
Know what song is a good song and a bad song. You play osu! by listening to the rhythm. You don’t try to watch the circles and time it. Good songs follow a beat and are predictable. You also get better at streaming (consecutive circles close to together that generally require 2 fingers to clear) by learning how to go along the rhythm. Generally, songs below 5.5 star are out of rhythm. I know I said not to force yourself to improve but try to make it to the 5 star range quickly. The plan iis to play the widest range of quality songs as possible.
...Hello? Your top ranks honestly make me question this. Follow your own damn advice.

Don’t play heavy streaming maps. They are generally too difficult for you unless you can read the rhythm or time very well. You’ll learn how to stream over time naturally. Also, streams at lower difficulties seem out of rhythm IMO. Idk faster streams just seem some much easier. They also kill your stamina which isn’t something you have a lot of when just starting off.
You don't learn streaming by running away. Do this and you'll turn into people who can play up to 5.5* jumpy maps but can't hit streams worth a damn.

Good UR streaming also demonstrates that you aren't actually whack a moling and can understand the rhythm, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Remove all distractions and useless information from your playing environment. I have effects turned off in sound but that’s preference. Having it on may help you read the rhythm more easily but I can get the same effect by listening to my keyboard taps anyway. Click tab and turn off score. Click shift tab and disable UI. I also play with no follow paths because I watch the circles rather than follow the lines. Though, that might make it harder when playing hidden o.o
http://imgur.com/Krb1Y65
Wow another piece of good advice but let's not forget that some of this is PREFERENCE. However, hitsounds are really fucking important to discern rhythm with and if you turn them off and try to play a rhythm game, shame on you.

Use most or all of your tablet area. I think almost no competitive player uses a tiny portion on their tablet. The reason being is it allows you to be more precise and accurate. The transition might be difficult but you will get use to it.
Explain Axarious, Bikko, rustbell, and mugio3 then. Also if you're trying to put out osu as a competitive game... lmoa. Rankings don't necessarily relate to competitive game.

Set the pause menu key to something close to your fingers to avoid wasting time. I have mine on control.
Don't pause in the first place then...? Hello; are you even following your own advice?

MP is shit. Play SP so you can play and improve at your own pace and under your own conditions.
A multiplayer match can make you overcome mental limits because suddenly all you want to do is get to the top of the leaderboard. Osu is a mental thing as well as a physical thing because if you go in thinking "I won't fc", guess what'll happen.

For steams, it’s just alternating z and x. You clear them by listening to the beat.
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Wow I wasted time writing this for some reason.
-sev
damn you op that is a long meme
Risa
lock plz?
chainpullz

Saphirshroom wrote:

Your average accuracy is <87%. Reaching 98% shouldn't be a problem even on sightreads.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Dumii
[inc mini text wall :^)]

sadpwner wrote:

Always play songs that are shorter than 1:34.
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sadpwner wrote:

You also don’t have the stamina to play long songs
You don't have the stamina to play long maps because you don't play long maps. By playing long maps, even though there are hard parts and easy parts, you build up stamina.

sadpwner wrote:

Don’t play heavy streaming maps.
Streaming is a big part of osu. Even if you can manage to get a lucky stream in once every 10 plays with the method that you have advised, playing stream maps improves your consistency with streams and turns that 1/10 into 9/10 in most cases.

sadpwner wrote:

The plan iis to play the widest range of quality songs as possible.
The "widest" range of quality songs possible definitely includes long and gimmicky maps. Can you really say that you are able to play 5.5 - 6.5 star maps when you are limited to generic TV size maps within the star range? It might just be a difference in opinion here, but I wouldn't say that I can play a certain star range unless I'm confident that I can deal with any map that gets thrown at me, ie. 95% of playable maps within that range.

e: o thats pretty short no text wall ?_?
vsprite
lmao

because short maps are "hard"



can we just ban anyone above 50k rank for posting to save us from getting cancer
winber1

sadpwner wrote:


I’ll go over a few basics on clearing some patterns now.

Z= left click. X= right click
You actually need to time these most of the time rather than listening to the beat. I only mean the first circle. The following 2 are hit by following rhythm.
Zxz. Xzx. Normally
Zzx. Xxz When you single tap for a long time and can’t zxz fast enuf.
These are sliders that are fast and close. You stream them.
Zxzxzxzx
Double tap if the song is manageable. Use z and x if it’s too fast or you run out of stamina.
There’s a version that’s like that but with a longer pause between the circle
Zz with a slight pause

For steams, it’s just alternating z and x. You clear them by listening to the beat.

These are pretty much the only patterns shared across the maps.
what the fuck is this? this is literally how you get worse at the game.
Yuudachi-kun
This thread's advice is bad and you should feel bad.

For the record it took me ~7 months to go from regular 4* fcs to rgular 6* fcs
Max Period
Play a lot of unranked maps and you can hide all of your playcounts.
JOEZCafe
This thread is hurting me physically and emotionally.
ZenithPhantasm

Mahogany wrote:

This topic makes me want to kill myself
Saphirshroom
I still think Zenny's avatar is terrifying
ZenithPhantasm

Saphirshroom wrote:

I still think Zenny's avatar is terrifying
I still can't believe I'm doing a collab with Khelly even tho I find him unlikable most of the time
Yuudachi-kun

Saphirshroom wrote:

I still think Zenny's avatar is terrifying
He's been on my ignore for months
Rixiy
I've been playing less than a month and just really felt I needed some encouragement that even 3 stars could be a thing someday. Now, I actually decided on my own that I wasn't a fan of most of your advice. MP is my favorite way to get more maps. I don't like using NF because I feel like it puts an artificial stamp on a song that's actually above my skill level. I could go on.

That said, I've also read through all the comments here, and I feel like someone should acknowledge the fact that you did take the time to try to be helpful, and that you did post several disclaimers. So, thank you for the post.
Vuelo Eluko
seriously 4 pages people actually fell for this bait?
deletemyaccount

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

seriously 4 pages people actually fell for this bait?
dunno man, the fact that OP wrote;

"Now that the common sense stuff is out of the way, I'll begin. REMEMBER SOME OF THESE ADVICE ARE PURELY SUBJECTIVE AND PREFERENCE. THEY WILL NOT ALL WORK FOR YOU. SOME OF THE THINGS I SAY MIGHT BE WRONG AS THEY ARE BASED ON MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE."

makes me think he might be full srs
DeathHydra
Pretty sure OP is dead serious with his so-called advice.
The Actor
Atleast he's trying.
-Makishima S-
It was long time, long thinking if i should go sarcastic here, laugh or be deadly serious. To be honest, i will be deadly serious with that i say.

@sadpwner - You are bad, sad person who gives shit advice's completely not related to gameplay, this topic is academical example of "how to prove that i am retarded". Let's go and show you why i am more than sure you should shut the fuck up and don't even try to give any advices:


You are worst possible person to give ANY fuckin advice, like you totaly don't know how this game works, you totaly don't know how to play it, your statistics are shitty as motherfuck, many newbs who play 1 week are probably way better than you, yet - for all gods you dare to create topic of "advice".

Disclaimer - If you use "No Fail" mode as new player, you already failed a map, you are completely not able to play it if you need NF for pass, you are not even close to read it.

OP just gave me cancer, literally, brain cancer from amount of stupidity and bullshit in first post. Just pls OP... request removing this thread already because you are amusing with this bs.

This topic makes me kill myself...
Mahogany

Rixiy wrote:

That said, I've also read through all the comments here, and I feel like someone should acknowledge the fact that you did take the time to try to be helpful...
Posting advice that's more harmful than helpful is honestly worse than just saying nothing tbh.
Bence

[Taiga] wrote:

@sadpwner - You are bad, sad person who gives shit advice's completely not related to gameplay, this topic is academical example of "how to prove that i am retarded". Let's go and show you why i am more than sure you should shut the fuck up and don't even try to give any advices:

You are worst possible person to give ANY fuckin advice, like you totaly don't know how this game works, you totaly don't know how to play it, your statistics are shitty as motherfuck, many newbs who play 1 week are probably way better than you, yet - for all gods you dare to create topic of "advice".
You are taking it too far, OP got enough negative feedback, no need to call him names and such.

Also, next time when you are trying to prove someone wrong at least don't reason with "you are shit therefore your advice is shit" but tell them why they are wrong.
deletemyaccount

Bence wrote:

you are trying to prove someone wrong at least don't reason with "you are shit therefore your advice is shit" but tell them why they are wrong.
lets be real here anyone with common sense would be able to do basic research.

and by research I mean play more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
-Makishima S-
You are taking it too far, OP got enough negative feedback, no need to call him names and such.

Also, next time when you are trying to prove someone wrong at least don't reason with "you are shit therefore your advice is shit" but tell them why they are wrong.
Let's be honest, this guy already got negative feedback about his gameplay before, people told him to stop playing maps too hard for him, stop using NF.
Now this shitter made a cancerous topic with full of bullshit points.

There is no point to even discuss about this because it's waste of time. Like 15 min researching in forum and you can debunk every single point in his "so called advice for being garbage trash at this game".

Basic research:
- dont play maps too hard for you
- proritize fc over passes
- dont use NF
- play more
Dumii

[Taiga] wrote:

Basic research:
- dont play maps too hard for you
- proritize fc over passes
- dont use NF
- play more
I think passes > fcs and NF is quite good for practice though...
just not NF to the extent where OP is using it
ithgyu
I dont see why people think nf is bad
winber1

II Jelli II wrote:

I dont see why people think nf is bad
its not. imo much of time it's quite helpful for learning things. just don't use it for everything. boils to common sense for the most part, which is vague as fuck but whatever.

of course i would say some of the hate/criticism is slightly exaggerated, but they do have merit. though i don't see a need to shit on people's faces like this tbh

winber1 wrote:

as long as we have circles to click, no anger shall harm us
ithgyu
considering how fucked drain can be in this game, nf is pretty good
The Actor

[Taiga] wrote:

It was long time, long thinking if i should go sarcastic here, laugh or be deadly serious. To be honest, i will be deadly serious with that i say.

@sadpwner - You are bad, sad person who gives shit advice's completely not related to gameplay, this topic is academical example of "how to prove that i am retarded". Let's go and show you why i am more than sure you should shut the fuck up and don't even try to give any advices:


You are worst possible person to give ANY fuckin advice, like you totaly don't know how this game works, you totaly don't know how to play it, your statistics are shitty as motherfuck, many newbs who play 1 week are probably way better than you, yet - for all gods you dare to create topic of "advice".

Disclaimer - If you use "No Fail" mode as new player, you already failed a map, you are completely not able to play it if you need NF for pass, you are not even close to read it.

OP just gave me cancer, literally, brain cancer from amount of stupidity and bullshit in first post. Just pls OP... request removing this thread already because you are amusing with this bs.

This topic makes me kill myself...
Mate. Why are you being so toxic? I mean, it's a horrible guide(yes) but still, he tried his hardest.
The Actor
Also I have a question OP.

https://youtu.be/8f7XKBFlZI0 << If this was you, you'd already be in a higher rank than 130k.

Is that really you, because judging from your top ranks it isn't. Also 5 digits 20~95k is very unstable.
I've seen 70k's play better than 4 digit players(rare).

And like above posts said, this post isn't very helpful at all. I mean, I know you tried your hardest but if anybody were to use this guide they wouldn't be able to read decently(aka AR8 with 60 acc). I'm not the best player, I'm just average but I honestly think you need to improve more.

I'm not discouraging you, but I would recc you become atleast 30k before you make a guide or else everyone in the forums will legit intoxicate you because you aren't good at clicking circles at a fast rate.

tl;dr Improve more, and have another take at it some day.
DeathHydra
It might be him, but looking at the video, he played offline on that song, which is why it's not included in his top ranks
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