Updated Dylan's diff, I am still fixing the errors in my diff 
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I guess I am late for my side of our M4M, sorry.
Idk why you did that on purpose so many times, but it's not the best choice imo
umh... yeah, I guess that's all
General
- There is no video set for Dylan's Easy
you probably don't need "soul" into tags seeing you already have it into source field
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Gero's Style
- 00:01:419 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like these objects are too loud where there is barely any music at all. Mind reducing them to around 40% (or even lower maybe)?
00:25:578 (2) - umh, ctrl + g? Just personal
There's a 2.5 gap in OD from Normal. I know this is the highest diff, but it's too much imo. OD6 could be enough considering BPM, patterns and spread.
Is that stack leniency set on purpose or...
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Normal
- 00:25:578 (5,6) - these 2 objects have a soft whistle each on their slider bodies. Intentional?
00:46:020 (1) - same
00:52:657 (5) - I feel like this one should be a slider, since all your combo follows vocals (check sliders for example: 00:50:799 (1,3) - ).
Making 00:52:923 (1) - this 1/2 longer should be fine.
01:06:197 (1) - really minor stuff, but this object's direction and the next jump are a bit forced and not so flowy imo. What about curving at least a little the slider like this?
01:20:534 - I feel like this beat would be better mapped, since 01:20:003 (4) - this object seems to not be enough imo
01:20:534 (1) - this spinner is really long... Maybe you really like it and you won't change it probably, but I would have started it from 01:22:392 - instead. As it is now it goes across multiple rhythms and it feels strange (or even making it start from 01:24:516 - since it's the last rhythm of the song)
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Dylan's Easy
- 00:23:188 (1,3) - wow, such overlap on an Easy diff. Like this you fix the overlap and keep DS constant, why don't you try it :3
00:29:560 (3,1) - ...
00:33:808 (3,1) - ... ok, I guess you did it on purpose, but it's horrible to see on an Easy diff tbh
00:52:923 (2,4) - slight overlap I'd avoid too
01:07:790 (1) - I'd make the curve more gentle (aka move the waypoint of the slider to the left around 10 pixels)
01:22:392 (1) - this spinner is starting 1/2 later than it should. Intentional or just misclick?
Idk why you did that on purpose so many times, but it's not the best choice imo
umh... yeah, I guess that's all
Topic Starter
MrSergio wrote:
I guess I am late for my side of our M4M, sorry.General
- There is no video set for Dylan's Easy fixed
you probably don't need "soul" into tags seeing you already have it into source field You're right, removed.Normal
- 00:25:578 (5,6) - these 2 objects have a soft whistle each on their slider bodies. Intentional? yes, it's intentional xd
00:46:020 (1) - same
00:52:657 (5) - I feel like this one should be a slider, since all your combo follows vocals (check sliders for example: 00:50:799 (1,3) - ).
Making 00:52:923 (1) - this 1/2 longer should be fine. True.
01:06:197 (1) - really minor stuff, but this object's direction and the next jump are a bit forced and not so flowy imo. What about curving at least a little the slider like this? no thanks.
01:20:534 - I feel like this beat would be better mapped, since 01:20:003 (4) - this object seems to not be enough imo I'll get a second opinion on this.
01:20:534 (1) - this spinner is really long... Maybe you really like it and you won't change it probably, but I would have started it from 01:22:392 - instead. As it is now it goes across multiple rhythms and it feels strange (or even making it start from 01:24:516 - since it's the last rhythm of the song) If someone else mentions it i will change it.
umh... yeah, I guess that's all
A late mod is better than no mod at all, right?
Thanks and stuff!MrSergio wrote:
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Dylan's Easy
If it wasn't for those continuous overlaps this diff would be perfect =w=
- 00:23:188 (1,3) - wow, such overlap on an Easy diff. Like this you fix the overlap and keep DS constant, why don't you try it :3 Fixed!
00:29:560 (3,1) - ... ^
00:33:808 (3,1) - ... ok, I guess you did it on purpose, but it's horrible to see on an Easy diff tbh ^
00:52:923 (2,4) - slight overlap I'd avoid too ^
01:07:790 (1) - I'd make the curve more gentle (aka move the waypoint of the slider to the left around 10 pixels) Made it curve all the way.
01:22:392 (1) - this spinner is starting 1/2 later than it should. Intentional or just misclick? Misclick, lol
Idk why you did that on purpose so many times, but it's not the best choice imo
umh... yeah, I guess that's all
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MrSergio
Gero's Style
- 00:01:419 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like these objects are too loud where there is barely any music at all. Mind reducing them to around 40% (or even lower maybe)? I can fix that, but that means I have to move the red point and I don't want to be inconsistent with the other diffs, so no changes.
00:25:578 (2) - umh, ctrl + g? Just personal Fixed.
There's a 2.5 gap in OD from Normal. I know this is the highest diff, but it's too much imo. OD6 could be enough considering BPM, patterns and spread. Changed.
Is that stack leniency set on purpose or... It was intentional.
Gero's Style.
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General
- Some great rhythm choices, fits the song well
- Minor flaws such as imperfect blankets, triangles etc.
- There is a tag confliction!
Easy's tags:dyl-byl gero ending 2 tv size soul evans maka albarn crona
Normal and Hard's tags:dyl-byl gero ending 2 tv size evans maka albarn crona
Map
[- 00:29:560 (3,4) - rhythm not consistent with 00:12:569 (3), sounds much better if changed imo
- 00:35:932 (1,2,3) - rhythm not consistent with 00:18:941 (1,2)
- 01:22:392 (1) - the pause between the circle and the spinner is too long. try moving the spinner to 01:21:065.
General
- Some rhythm choices are bad, there are some overmaps and some patterns don't fit the music. The reason I'm doing all these rhythm changes is because it will flow better and it will sound better with the music. Please understand. I REALLY recommend watching this video:
- Aesthetics are great
Map
- 00:06:197 (1,2,3) - try changing the rhythm according the the image below. i think it will flow much better
the flow is a lot better and it sounds better too in my opinion. - 00:10:445 (1,2,3) - try changing the rhythm to
- 00:19:737 (2,3) - overmap
- 00:24:781 (3,4) - try changing the rhythm to
- 00:27:436 (1,2,3,4) - make this the same as 00:06:197 (1,2,3)
- 00:29:826 (1,2) - rhythm not consistent with 00:12:834 (1,2)
- 00:33:277 (3) - try making this 2 circles to make it consistent
- 00:48:144 (5,6,7) - try changing the rhythm to
also add NC on (6) after change - 01:08:587 (2,3,4) - try changing the rhythm to
- 01:15:224 (3,4) - not consistent with 00:57:967 (2,3,4)
- 01:17:082 (2,3,1,2) - try changing the rhythm to
[
General
- Aesthetics are great, there are a little bit of overmaps but those are easily changed
Map
- 00:42:569 (1) - you could put some notes in here because of the guitar and drums
- 00:53:985 (3,4,5) - no need for triple, just do a 1/2 slider. imo it fits the music better
- 01:04:339 (3,4,5) - try removing (4) and moving (5) because same reason ^
- 01:09:118 (4,5,6) - same as before, no need for triple
- 01:11:773 (5) - make this a 1/4 slider, just unnecessary imo
- 01:12:569 (2,3,4) - same as before, no need for triple
if you disagree with some of these changes please explain with reasoning to help me with my modding skills thanks
you lost a bn anywaysAxon wrote:
HappyRocket88 wrote:
Will come back once the Easy get some more mods and the Normal get more up-beat rhythms before nominating.
Good luck for now! (ノ･ω･)ノ
/me runs
i maybe mod this map later
Agreed with everything he said.
Four Mom
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Why did you changed my custom name?
Topic Starter
HappyRocket88 wrote:
- 00:04:604 (2) - 00:48:675 (6) - 00:14:693 (1) - These slider-shapes are fine but it would be better if we could get rid of them since sometimes the slider-path is confusing in the difficulty concerned. I'm sure you can come out with more interesting slider-styles to make them fit here. Please, give a look to this thread t/208596 sure, replaced sliders with more simplistic shapes.
- 00:48:675 (6) - Could you make this beat clickeable? I mean, as long as you put such as an important hitsound, I think it would be better if you removed the reverse and place a circle here. Look at applying the same here 01:20:268 - For further information, please visit this thread p/961783 I personally think that it works better as a slider, sorry.
- 00:08:587 (1) - Something similar occurs here. In this case, for the sake of avoiding the offbeat pattern with the clap on the reverse, you can try out this: http://mingi.s-ul.eu/2ykYd7nv Again, i think it works best the way it currently is.
- 00:16:286 (3) - I'd like to know why you make it different from 00:12:038 (3) - If both patterns are pretty similar, what's the purpose of making it different? I do believe managing the same slider with 1/2 of length would fit this pattern the best. You're right, fixed.
- 00:13:631 (3) - Remove the whistle of the slider-body. Take account the hitsound of the slider-head and the end are kept. Sure
- 00:21:596 (2,3,4) - This pattern doesn't flow but but rhythmically talking, it feels uncomfortable because of the sliders aren't highlight well the rhythm nor the vocals. What about if you try out this? http://mingi.s-ul.eu/UOlzMjHu fixed? I think.
- 00:24:781 (3,4) - I think this would suit better the rhythm if you did Ctrl + G over it to avoid placing hitsounds over the slider-ends. In the other hand, consider adding a new combo here 00:25:047 (4) - to keep consistency in the way you mapped this part. Please, give it a try. Maybe i'm retarded, but I actually really love the way it currently is.
- 00:37:790 (4) - Add a new combo here for the same reason of consistency of above. Consider doing the same over the following cases 00:48:675 (6) - 01:09:914 (3) - Sure.
- 00:42:038 (4,1) - The pause between these objects felt somewhat unfitting due to the previous pattern didn't manage such as pauses like this, at referring to 00:25:047 (4,5) - . In this way, I think using a slider at 1/1 starting where (4) does would improve significantly the way players approach this rhythm. The pause in the rhythm fits, because it's a build-up to the chorus.
- 00:43:365 (3) - Comparing it to this one 00:25:578 (5,6) - I can say variation is important, but not when both sections are handled in the same way with the music. Therefore, using the same slider-pattern for both sections would develop a nicer rhythm here. If I can make a suggestion, the slider at 1/1 with a reverse would definitely suit this pattern the best. :3 This seems really hard for me to fix, i'll consider it.
- 00:55:047 (1) - 00:57:171 (1) - 01:07:790 (1) - 01:08:587 (2) - I guess you forgot to add the hitsounds over the slider-heads of those sliders. /u\ lemme fix dat. uwu
- 01:17:879 (3,1) - Not a bad rhythm but leaving as is, it might mislead the actual purpose of following the vocals/instruments you were trying to do here . I do think changing it for this http://mingi.s-ul.eu/uJlIR7rM would make sense here. Sorta fixed, used my own method though, sorry!
Will come back once the Easy get some more mods and the Normal get more up-beat rhythms before nominating.
Good luck for now! (ノ･ω･)ノ
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Gero's Hard]
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- Aesthetics are great, there are a little bit of overmaps but those are easily changed Overmap? Where? o.o.
Map
- 00:42:569 (1) - you could put some notes in here because of the guitar and drums I wanted to follow the vocal, that's why the slider is even more longer than it supposed to be.
- 00:53:985 (3,4,5) - no need for triple, just do a 1/2 slider. imo it fits the music better There are some sounds.
- 01:04:339 (3,4,5) - try removing (4) and moving (5) because same reason ^ Same as above.
- 01:09:118 (4,5,6) - same as before, no need for triple ^
- 01:11:773 (5) - make this a 1/4 slider, just unnecessary imo It's 1/6, listen it and you'll notice it.
- 01:12:569 (2,3,4) - same as before, no need for triple ^
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it's alive?
update?
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That should be:
- Dyl's Easy Style.
- Normal Style.
- Gero's Hard Style.
Topic Starter
Ye XDKittyAdventure wrote:
That should be:xd
- Dyl's Easy Style.
- Normal Style.
- Gero's Hard Style.
- 0.82 SV? :thinking:
- I feel like rhythm across your difficulty could be done a lot better. There's ways you can easily incorporate some of the stronger sounds like at 00:08:056 for example. Take a look at your rhythm at 00:06:197 (1,2,3) - , then try this: http://puu.sh/x2BoB/e4c8db8003.jpg. A lot of sounds get compromised because you try to stick to the white ticks only, but there's ways you can easily incorporate them to better represent those sounds. However, this presumption is based on mapping to the drums. But, even if you are mapping to the melody instead, you ignore it at places like 00:04:604. Something like 00:08:321 (3,4) - would be more appropriate in that case. Regardless though, I still think you should consider remapping some parts with better focus on what rhythm you are mapping to then sticking with it consistently.
- 00:10:445 (1,2,3) - Moving on, the vocals here strongly start following vocals - and I suggest you map to them too. I would strongly suggest some red tick rhythms like http://puu.sh/x2ByA/d2f74f8e4c.jpg to incorporate them so they feel clickable and a part of the map. Try to experiment with this in other places to better focus on vocals - especially in strong places like 00:23:188 (1,2,3) - . This applies to almost all of the first 50% of the map.
- A lot of your blankets are quite off, 00:38:587 (4,1) - for example, clean those up and make them more precise.
- 00:44:427 (1,2) - This rhythm sort of kills the introduction of the vocals halfway through the slider. Maybe try this instead? http://puu.sh/x2BGj/98de0747c7.jpg
- 00:55:578 (1) - / 01:03:542 (1) - . Much better rhythm choices in the kiai. The last issue overall with this difficulty is that the chorus is easier at times than the intro, and in terms of emphasis that doesn't make too much sense. Add more 1/1 rhythms, use more circles, etc. sliders like the highlighted ones can be broken up into more for example. Proof, here's a chart of the difficulty strain on the diff: http://puu.sh/x2BLk/ca27610f7b.png showing most of the harder parts early in the map.
- 01:01:419 (2) - Again with vocal rhythms being covered up here, doesn't fit well.
- 01:09:914 (3) - What rhythm is this following? Virtually nothing on the red tick, try this maybe: http://puu.sh/x2BsK/5c31eca92f.jpg
- 01:12:038 (1,3) - Stacking like this can be a bit misleading.
- 01:20:534 (5) - NC?
- 01:22:392 (1) - odd spinner end, end on 01:26:440 - like everyone else.
- So overall, to reiterate, redo rhythm choices, buff the chorus by making the rhythm more dense, and clean up aesthetics a bit. Might require quite some re-mapping, imo.
- In terms of spread this difficulty is a bit low. If dyl/gero apply my suggestions then their diffs will probably be a bit higher, so I think yours should scale up a bit too. 1.8 or 1.9 would be ideal if possible :< An easy buff would be CS 3.5, then CS 3 on the easy maybe, give it a thought.
- 00:10:445 (1) - Don't cover up the vocals here, they're just getting introduced and having them be in the middle of a slider ruins them.
- Alright, so going forward, I see you strongly follow vocals at places like 00:21:330 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - with really dense rhythms, and it doesn't make sense to me why you ignore them at places like 00:18:941 (1,2,3) - or 00:14:693 (1,2,3) - or 00:13:100 (5) - . The vocals offer a complex, fun rhythm that you should incorporate more into these 1/2 rhythms.
- 00:35:135 - feels downplayed, compare to 00:22:392 (3,4) - . Same vocal rhythm, different gameplay rhythm.
- So, going forward, a lot of your rhythms feel arbitrary. To start, start at 00:10:445 (1) - and 00:27:436 (1) - . The rhythms here should be pretty close to identical to make it familiar to the player, why? The section repeats itself - as do the rhythms and patterns, and your rhythm choices should reflect that too. As of now they feel very separate in how you emphasize on various instruments. Work on making them closer to identical so that it becomes more intuitive for the player - the song repeats, the rhythm repeats.
- 00:44:958 - I strongly suggest incorporating the buildup rhythm here into the chorus. Since you might need to buff this diff, use consecutive 1/2 circles at 00:46:020 (1) - perhaps then sliders before it for the vocals?
- So again, you follow the drums a little too strongly imo in the chorus. So many rhythms from the vocals like at 00:48:675 (1) - are just gone and aren't used at all even though they're really strong gorgeous Kana Nishino vocals. Your rhythm choice downplays the vocals and makes the simple drum rhythms top priority, which doesn't fit well imo.
- 00:55:047 (4) - NC here?
- 00:56:109 (6,7) - Rhythm here follows vocals better, but might I offer a suggestion starting at 00:55:047 (4) - ? Here's what I came up with: http://puu.sh/x2CwO/f9ef824bc4.jpg. What this does is emphasize the pause of the vocals on 00:55:312 by stopping the slider there, but then having a full held slider starting at 00:55:578 to focus on that being held out so long. The circle is for vocals, and the slider after is for the drums and vocals.
- 00:57:171 (1,2,3) - Want to offer a different rhythm approach here, too: http://puu.sh/x2CBP/edb509b126.jpg. I like how you follow vocals with 00:57:171 (1) - but I don't think a repeat is necessary. The bass guitar and cymbal come in at 00:57:967 and so I suggest making them clickable, but then the weaker drums/cymbals come without much need for emphasis so I suggest a reverse slider. Finally, add a circle at 00:59:029 - to strengthen the vocals.
- Strong sound at 01:01:153 - goes completely unmapped, though you totally could since this is a normal. Then, vocal intensity going into the repeat of the chorus on 01:01:419 (6) - is left on a sliderend. Emphasis here definitely needs improvement.
- Alright, the rest sort of repeats itself so the rest applies again. The rhythm in this difficulty needs significant improvement before this gets pushed forward imo. I'm not saying you need to 100% follow vocals, but finding a balance between vocals/drums to better represent the song overall will make this tremendously better. Go through the song slowly, pick out what rhythms need to be strengthened and make sure they're prominent in gameplay too to better fit the song.
- I briefly talked to you IRC over what I think should be done in terms of rhythm here, it'd be nice to fill out some more 1/4 rhythms to better represent the song since this is the new top diff.
- 00:26:374 (3,4,5,1) - overlap like 00:13:100 (2,3,4,5) - maybe?
- 00:30:091 (2,3,4) - vs 00:13:100 (2,3,4,5) - same rhythm maybe? Familiar pattern would be cool.
- 00:31:950 (2,3) - For repeated rhythm's sake I think this'd be better suited as a slider like 00:14:958 (2) - .
- 00:38:321 (2) - you made the drum on the end of this clickable in the last instance, it'd be cool here too. :>
- 00:42:038 (4) - Subjective AF but the rhythm gap here kinda takes away from the vocal buildup into the chorus. 00:25:047 (1) - in comparison felt very smooth and fit the vocals being held really well, doing the same here would better represent that imo.
- 00:45:224 (2) - Whistle?
- 00:45:755 (4,1,2,3,4) - Kinda kills the emphasis here to stack these like this, I think continuing with a jump pattern would better emphasize this. Not sure how a change could fit your Style but maybe something like this? http://puu.sh/x2AKQ/8154dc97af.jpg
- 01:10:445 (2,5) - So with both of these, considering that the rhythm is 1/6 the spacing is a little too large imo. The flow in the first instance is especially really rough for a 1/6 rhythm in comparison to the rest of the map and is hard not to get a 100 on. Could you bring them a bit closer maybe to make it more clear that they're 1/6 in gameplay? (read next point first too pls)
- 01:10:445 (2,5) - My second issue with these is that these are the only two instances of 1/6 in the whole diff, maybe to buff it overall try to incorporate some more throughout. Just want to toss in my opinion though, the vocals are a lot more prevalent in the song and the 1/6 is barely noticeable. Just snapping it 1/4 would be a lot more intuitive and would fit in your map better so these 1/6 don't feel so sudden and out of place, for the sake of rhythm interpretation 1/4 would be a lot more reasonable.
- Cute diff, love it!
I really want to help rank this but it's still a whiles away from being ready, the easy and normal need lots of work in how rhythm is represented and it needs to be done more consistently. Feel free to call me back once things get addressed/reworked and I'll mod again then, and we'll see from there!
Topic Starter
yay! \o/ np :3Plaudible wrote:
sorry for getting back to you on this so late, placeholder for mod this coming week
Topic Starter
I think I'm going to take a break from trying to rank this. I dont think a 3 diff, 113BPM TV Size map needs 7 pages worth of mods. I guess I'm just not ready.
If you feel like to move this forward once again, I'd glad to post my changes of my difficulty.
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