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Sota Fujimori - polygon

posted 2016-02-26T01:40:49+00:00

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Sebu

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2016-09-16T21:44:27+00:00

Xilver wrote:
hello fellow norwegians
-hello xilver
[General]

Normal and CXu's easy finish 1ms earlier than all the other diffs idk if that's a problem but just pointing it out
-i dunno either :V

Unsnapped notes on trapezoid at 00:45:714 (8) - and unsnapped Kiai at 01:42:437 - , it should be at 01:42:436 -
-fixed

Unsnapped note on insane at 01:33:470 (5) -
-fixed

[trapezoid]

00:01:058 (1,2,3,4) - weird how these change in spacing, there isn't really anything to justify it?
-changed the position of 00:01:230 (2,3) - which fixes it i think as the sound on 00:01:574 (4) - is louder, making higher spacing ok.

00:02:178 (3) - ctrl h would look nicer imo (change the spacing accordingly also ofc)
-did that, also changed what side the circle is on, since i thought it fit better.

00:28:989 (1,2,3,4,1) - what's with the big increase in spacing here, kind of unfitting
-I dont see why this is a problem. the music is more intense in this part, therefore it's justified.

00:57:782 (3,4,5) - overmapped, should be 1/4th
-are you sure about this? the 1/8 goes with the voice imo. will change if im wrong tho.

01:08:471 (3) - rhythm is wrong here, 3 should be a normal note and you should put a non repeating 1/8th slider at 01:08:557 -
-ah thanks!

01:08:644 (4) - nc?
-added.

01:16:230 (1,2,3,4,5) - should be jumps like all the other instances of the song since you used jumps there, linear flow just looks weird and doesn't fit
-agreed. dont even know why i didnt have jumps tbh, but i fixed it now i think.

01:19:678 (4) - nc to indicate sv change
-added

01:20:023 (6) - same here
-^

01:22:178 - pretty strong note here, should be clickable, i think rhythm is more like this starting from 01:21:747 - http://puu.sh/r9Okm/fe9bdc14f9.jpg
-i do agree thats how most would see the rhythm here, however let me try to explain how i visualized this. this circle 01:22:006 (2) - combined with the slider 01:22:092 (3) - starts the lead sound as well as hitting that beautiful big doosh(as i like to call it). the slider then represents the kind of "dragged out" feeling of the lead sound and ends on 01:22:351 (4) - to finish of the final part of this kind of stretched sound at least I felt the music indicated. dont know if i was able to explain it well enough, but if the explanation sucked, i'll consider trying to change this (plays really well tho imo).

01:24:161 (2,3,1) - i'd do something like this, flows better imo http://puu.sh/r9OmB/3a2df5234c.jpg
-I quite like how it plays now.

01:41:920 (4) - pretty sure this should be 1/8th
-checked on pc's diff and he had a 1/8 starting on the blue tick, doing the same.

01:51:661 (5,6,7) - don't really hear a triple here, rhythm should be this starting from 01:51:402 - http://puu.sh/r9OD0/0db2ba7bd8.jpg
-changed it up a bit according to ur rhythm thing

01:52:523 - powerful note which should be clickable
-ok

nothing much to comment on asthetics beccause this map is basically a theme of mirroring sliders with the same angle so yeah, for a 3rd map this is really good

[insane]
00:02:781 (9) - nc?
- i guess yea.

00:06:919 (5,6) - ctrl g on both?
-agreed.

00:09:419 (4) - kinda unfitting shape
-changed it

00:12:781 (3,4,5) - nc on 3, also you should reduce the spacing a lot to make this pattern easier to read
-fixed

00:29:333 (1,2,3,4,5) - could ctrlg some stuff here to flow better http://puu.sh/rbcQt/440e3771aa.jpg
-agreed, this looks and feels nicer

00:49:333 (3,4,5,6) - should just do the sionkotori pattern here, right now the angles look kinda ugly
-oke.

01:06:316 (8,1) - wat why
-cause cool.(learn to read Kappa)

01:08:643 (8) - nc?
-aity.

01:16:402 (2,3,4) - any reason spacing is smaller here than all the other stuff?
-nope, im retarded

01:18:299 (5) - i'd nc this
-same

and all the rest is just sionkotori (rip sionkotori btw, i'll miss his maps :c)

[hard]

00:27:954 (6) - NC?
-yea

00:35:368 (3,1) - should make the positioning here fit ds
-fixed i think.

00:45:885 (1) - i'd make this 3 notes for emphasis
-i feel like having a slider fits the difficulty

00:59:505 (6,7,1,2,3,4) - i'd stack these honestly, you'd want to make low diffs as readable as possible, same goes for all the other instances where you used it
-I feel like this kind of patterning fits the kind of gimmicky feel i want the mapset to have

01:31:402 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^, and for all other instances
-^

[normal]

00:02:436 (2,3,1) - don't break ds in normals pls

actually just check your distance for all objects, leave them consistent all the time for normals, patterning is fine so just make sure you have consistent ds between all objects and you're good
-alright, made a few minor changes. thanks

cool set overall, really enjoyed pc's diff. gl ranking c:

thanks xilver :>

Lami

1,756 posts

Joined June 2011

Lami 2016-10-07T10:50:20+00:00

~~will try to finish modding in 24 hours x_x~~

digon

personally, i wish every object have same DS in normal diff.
that's all x_x

trigon

00:23:126 (3,4) - not good for visual overlapping
00:37:695 (2,3) - too empty despite of music still continued..
00:43:212 (2,3) - ^
00:42:781 (5,6,1,2) - not recommend to use trick in low diff

tetragon

00:12:609 (2) - 1/4 slider? pretty strong beat in blue tick i think.
00:45:540 (6,1) - stack?
01:06:574 (1,1,2,3,1,1) - plz 1,2,3 1,2,3 NCing is better =w=

-GN

00:46:403 (3,4,5,6) - use 1/4slider + 5 notes?
00:57:609 (1,2) - swap NC as music change here
00:58:988 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - if you don't follow some music, same ds better for visual
01:18:214 (7) - not snapped

hexagon

00:35:885 (7) - NC okay
00:41:661 (7) - remove? i think it's not important note
01:23:989 (1) - remove nc

-pc

00:12:609 (2,3) - well, try to 1/4 slider? or nerfed
feel this stream trick is quitely hard, despite of it's intro part.
player will get miss easily in here. than other parts.
00:27:868 (8,1,2) - how about try to something in (1,2)
example) http://puu.sh/rAZSP.jpg
as 00:27:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - have consistent stream
despite of 00:27:954 (1) - have NC
00:34:678 (5,6,1) - increaseee DS for emphasis beat
00:36:057 (3) - 1/4 slider better which have fast SV.
00:45:540 (4) - NC?
01:47:954 (1) - remove nc 1,1 is kinda weird on visual

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2016-10-13T18:48:16+00:00

Lami wrote:
~~will try to finish modding in 24 hours x_x~~

digon

personally, i wish every object have same DS in normal diff.
that's all x_x
-fixxxx

trigon

00:23:126 (3,4) - not good for visual overlapping
-fix i think

00:37:695 (2,3) - too empty despite of music still continued..
-as with the normal im only following the main sound in this part. I feel like this fits as the difficulty progresses well throughout the diffs.

00:43:212 (2,3) - ^
-^

00:42:781 (5,6,1,2) - not recommend to use trick in low diff
-fix

tetragon

00:12:609 (2) - 1/4 slider? pretty strong beat in blue tick i think.
-prefer circle at this part, but might consider change.

00:45:540 (6,1) - stack?
-dont really like full stack like that x.x

01:06:574 (1,1,2,3,1,1) - plz 1,2,3 1,2,3 NCing is better =w=
-hmmm, ok. reason for other ncing was to differenciate the rhythm, but this might work too.

hexagon

00:35:885 (7) - NC okay
-fixed

00:41:661 (7) - remove? i think it's not important note
-agree

01:23:989 (1) - remove nc
-hmmmm, prettier visual with nc, but sure. fixed

thanks, lami :>

-GN

Champion Above Champions

734 posts

Joined June 2011

-GN 2016-10-13T20:01:50+00:00

Xilver

Xilver wrote:
hello fellow norwegians hello

[General]
Unsnapped notes on -GN's insane: 01:18:214 (7) - and unsnapped Kiai at 01:42:437 - , it should be at 01:42:436 -
fixed

[-GN's insane]
pro player GN PogChamp
pro player xilver

so one repeating thing i see in this map is usage of a lot of diagonal sliders, unless they're part of a pattern they don't look really nice so i suggest cutting down on these
that's a subjective thing. i have no issue with it, so i'll keep it this way

00:01:057 (1,2) - suggest ctrl g on both of them (seperately) for better flow?
done
00:01:919 (2,3) - i'd so something like this for better flow, right now this diagonal thing you have here looks kinda bad http://puu.sh/r9ORI/1919c8daa1.jpg (the curve on 2 was just preference so if you wanna keep it straight then go for it)
did something else but changed
00:34:247 (4,5) - i really don't recommend starting stuff like this on blue ticks, it's just bad polarity and players wouldn't be able to recognize it easily
i think it's telegraphed well enough(it's a triangle with each part having 3/4s spacing, and you can tell when it starts). it even appears earlier in the map at 00:28:212 (2,3,4,5) -
00:35:368 (3) - i'd move the bottom white anchor to the left to kinda take down the exccesive angle you have here, doesn't really fit currently
oh thanks
00:44:505 (1,2,3) - could mirror the same shape for 3 and use it for 1
ok
01:08:643 (1,2,3) - could probably make this a perfect triangle because polygon
nah, i want the back and forth jump

Lami

Lami wrote:
-GN

00:46:403 (3,4,5,6) - use 1/4slider + 5 notes?
i think this is better for emphasis of the vocal thing
00:57:609 (1,2) - swap NC as music change here
true, thanks
00:58:988 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - if you don't follow some music, same ds better for visual
changed
01:18:214 (7) - not snapped
fixed in accordance with xilver's mod

thanks to both of you!

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-HM

25 posts

Joined June 2013

-HM 2016-11-15T16:03:56+00:00

good map

Last edited by -HM 2016-11-15T17:19:26+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2016-11-15T16:44:31+00:00

tylol

emilia

893 posts

Joined October 2012

emilia 2016-11-17T09:53:05+00:00

i can't really mod these maps but i try

[PC]

00:00:368 (1,2,3,4) - aesthetics: the shape of the burst leading into the slider looks p ugly
00:25:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - aesthetics: i dont quite like the shape, suggestion to change it or just to NC this 00:26:230 (5) - to have similar effect as 00:29:936 (8,1) - when shape of stream changes
00:42:954 (1,2) - rhythm: this bit is a little plain compared to note density of before, but its fine as it is
00:46:574 (1,2) - rhythm: this part felt super uncomfortable to play cuz 00:47:005 (2) - 's head practically lands on nothing in the music, even if it doesnt its not very audible during gameplay
00:47:264 (1,2,3) - rhythm: this part felt awkward to play as well, though it matches the rhythm, i think its related to polarity(?) maybe map it similar to 00:48:643 (1,2,3,4) -
00:50:023 (1,2) - rhythm: similar to before, about plain rhythm, though its still alright to play
00:59:161 (3,4,5,6) - aesthetic: would suggest adding an NC before this part, because if not its not very obvious in gameplay that the distances are different, then there'd be not much of a point to make them different in the first place
01:16:488 (2) - rhythm: this note was a little awkward to play, because the notes prior all emphasised the synth track instead of the little squeaks(?) so i couldnt really catch onto that note fast enough, suggest removing it but if theres a better way to include that rhythm and make it readable its fine too
01:49:419 (1) - rhythm: similar to before ^

it honestly looks really grotesque in editor, but it plays really really well. the spaced stream bits are surprisingly intuitive and the overall flow is really fun. i really quite like it, gj on this!

[hexagon]

00:03:126 (1,2,3) - aesthetic/flow: i would say place 2 and 3 closer to 1 the first instance of this rhythmic progression 00:04:506 (1,2,3) - 00:05:885 (1,2,3) - so its easier to read, but it will ruin the structure, so i guess i can leave it up to you
00:14:161 (1,2) - aesthetic/flow: similarly to before, but this time its a little more off. as you made the 1st note the same length as the next, but at different speed, plus its very anti-flow (compared to instances after 00:16:920 (1,2) - 00:19:678 (1,2) - ), i would say either NC all or at least make the 1st instance easier
00:26:575 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm: i would say that this beat specifically 00:26:833 - should be emphasised, because right now its just clutter visually and hearing-wise
00:45:368 (6) - rhythm: i'd think the slider tail of this should be clickable?
00:45:885 (1,1,1) - aesthetic/flow: i'm not sure of the SV changes, they seem very unnecessary
00:46:402 (1,2) - rhythm: i'd make 1 and 2 a triplet instead and not map out the slider end of 2 instead, rhythm just sounds a little inaccurate and not emphasised well at this point
00:47:264 (1,2,3,4,5) - aesthetic/flow: i'm not a fan of the non NC but SV changes, it makes playing it a little taxing. the fact that it isnt consistent also irks me a little, like 00:55:540 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 00:50:023 (1,2,3,4,5) - (repeated)
01:03:127 (4) - rhythm: i hear something on 01:03:212 - , suggesting triplet?
01:05:195 (1) - rhythm: feels odd to not emphasise 01:05:281 - but i guess following just the drum beat is fine as well, doesn't play badly
01:20:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - flow: quite the diff spike for this pattern compared to the others, would highly suggest changing this to kick sliders or making them closer, generally making these rhythms more consistent i guess (though i do like the triangle look to it) (01:20:626 (4,1) - distance: 3.59, compared to 01:23:299 (3,1) - distance: 1.32, i halved it because kicks play like hitcircles, compared to 01:26:143 (4,1) - distance: 2.20)
01:52:954 (4,5) - rhythm: this sounds like it should be either 1/8th or 1/16th buuuut yea thats a bad idea unless you'd like to stack 5 on 4 instead

guess you couldn't keep up with the only-vertical-sliders-rotated-by-12.5-degress aesthetic xd

i'd say the flow needs some work but it doesnt play terribly

[GN]

00:33:471 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm: i would say the musical track you're following here is kinda soft, so i kinda misread 00:34:247 (4) - and hit it on the whiteline iirc, would suggest you make this part a little denser?
00:35:626 - rhythm: felt a little empty that nothing was here, so i'd suggest either adding something there or just shifting 456 further away so its more obvious there is a gap between them
00:46:403 (3,4,5,6) - rhythm: shift between the vocal and drum track here is a little uneven, would suggest breaking up 00:46:403 (3) - into a slider with more hitcircles so you get more of the drums
00:48:643 (1,2) - aesthetic/rhythm: would suggest you make slider 1 an extended slider instead for more consistency with the repeated instances after (similarly with 00:51:402 (1) - )
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - rhythm/flow: when mapping 1/8th streams on high-ish BPM its always better to put them right next to each other. slider leniency on 1/8th sliders are way worse compared to 1/4ths so 1/4 buzz sliders can be distanced further, since i hit 3 100s on all these sliders here
01:42:954 - rhythm: i hear something pretty strong here, i think it should be mapped and that it'll play better that way but leaving it as it is should be alright as well, though its partly because the track you were following initially is still quite soft

interesting rhythm choices, i'd say you have a keen ear on following rhythmic tracks, and though i didnt particularly like the whole 00:02:092 (3) - aesthetic this diff flows super well

ok am lazy to continue can u pls m4m ty uwu im sorry i cannot mod neatly smfh someone teach me how to format ty

Saturnalize

1,490 posts

Joined March 2011

Saturnalize 2016-11-17T19:49:22+00:00

SPOILER

another big mapset heavy breathing

mono

00:38:471 (5) - 1.1x ds pls
01:42:436 - This part is heavily undermapped. It turns from hectic to boring (the kiai, ofc). Consider about adding more stuffs here and there.

Consider adjusting your SV wisely - mono has 1.0 1.0x multiplier, while normal has 1.76 0.5x multiplier which is equivalent to 0.88. Then, tri has 1.76 1.0x. It's twice as much and you know it's a big difference!
00:14:850 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - ~~obligatory back in my day rant~~ I am not sure whether this kind of pattern is, in term of difficulty, allowed on normal. Please consult to other people (esp. BN) about this.
00:25:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - till the end and even longer]] On previous part you use 1.0x ds for 1/1 beat. This 1.7x~1.8x ds for 1/2 during this part visually similar to the previous part, which, I am worried, will confuse player. Not to mention the part afterwards, 00:47:264 (1) - , is back using 1.0x ds 1/1 beat.
00:27:954 (5) - NC, combo too long.
00:33:471 (5) - NC
01:14:505 (2,1) - I am actually not a big fan of this kind of stacking in difficulty that is not designed for advanced player. I mean yeah it looks nice but nah rather confusing.
01:41:919 (2,3) - No. Just no. You know what I'm talking. Distance!

Obviously di(s) diff needs a lot of rework and I am not kidding.

tri

00:00:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Spacing is horrible, beat is not catchy enough for hard diff (comparing from di diff and tetra diff, this kind of opening is not a good "bridge"). Try this kind of beat pattern : http://puu.sh/slx75/43b649a1c1.jpg
00:03:126 (1,2,3,1,2) - despite the NC usage, I still expect that the spacing is at least consistent. This will affect the whole two minutes of your map, because.
00:14:850 (3,4,5,6) - Instead of making weird stacking like this, I'd rather do a back and forth pattern to emphasize the synth.
00:34:850 (1,2,3) - Make the distance bigger! It's deceiving.
00:45:195 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - you may leave the 4-7 but for 1, 2 please make it farther.
01:17:954 (1) - I'd rather map this part
01:42:436 - oh come on make this part more catchy!
01:52:609 (3,4) - Before, you use stack for triplet (01:51:919 (4,5,1) - ) but this time you use it for 1/1 beat? No. Distance it.

That's it for now, gonna continue later

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2016-12-25T22:01:33+00:00

[ Emillia ] wrote:
i can't really mod these maps but i try

[hexagon]
00:03:126 (1,2,3) - aesthetic/flow: i would say place 2 and 3 closer to 1 the first instance of this rhythmic progression 00:04:506 (1,2,3) - 00:05:885 (1,2,3) - so its easier to read, but it will ruin the structure, so i guess i can leave it up to you
i'd rather not. never seen anyone have any problem with this anyway
00:14:161 (1,2) - aesthetic/flow: similarly to before, but this time its a little more off. as you made the 1st note the same length as the next, but at different speed, plus its very anti-flow (compared to instances after 00:16:920 (1,2) - 00:19:678 (1,2) - ), i would say either NC all or at least make the 1st instance easier
it used to be ctrlg on first slider, but people complained about the distance from the object before to it so yeeee.. don't really know what to do about that. wouldnt want to nc all cause it would look stupid and unnecessary. and again, never really seen anyone have a problem with this.
00:26:575 (1,2,3,4) - rhythm: i would say that this beat specifically 00:26:833 - should be emphasised, because right now its just clutter visually and hearing-wise
i dont understand why you would emphasize this.
00:45:368 (6) - rhythm: i'd think the slider tail of this should be clickable?
00:45:885 (1,1,1) - aesthetic/flow: i'm not sure of the SV changes, they seem very unnecessary
i like them. makes the vocals stand out more
00:46:402 (1,2) - rhythm: i'd make 1 and 2 a triplet instead and not map out the slider end of 2 instead, rhythm just sounds a little inaccurate and not emphasised well at this point
by mapping out the sliders the way i did the focus is more on the vocals which i like.
00:47:264 (1,2,3,4,5) - aesthetic/flow: i'm not a fan of the non NC but SV changes, it makes playing it a little taxing. the fact that it isnt consistent also irks me a little, like 00:55:540 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 00:50:023 (1,2,3,4,5) - (repeated)
i dont get what you're trying to say here at all to be honest. there are different sounds at 00:55:540 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) which is why it is mapped different. also, for the non-nc'ed sliders, i don't see NC's here necessary as the way its patternized makes it easy to read.
01:03:127 (4) - rhythm: i hear something on 01:03:212 - , suggesting triplet?
01:05:195 (1) - rhythm: feels odd to not emphasise 01:05:281 - but i guess following just the drum beat is fine as well, doesn't play badly
i like the feel this gives.
01:20:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - flow: quite the diff spike for this pattern compared to the others, would highly suggest changing this to kick sliders or making them closer, generally making these rhythms more consistent i guess (though i do like the triangle look to it) (01:20:626 (4,1) - distance: 3.59, compared to 01:23:299 (3,1) - distance: 1.32, i halved it because kicks play like hitcircles, compared to 01:26:143 (4,1) - distance: 2.20)
never ever going to change this. this is the pattern that sets the stage for the rest of the kiai and the general feel i want it to have. i dont see the difficulty of this first pattern to be the hardest of them at all. to be honest the square at the end(which doesnt even have a proper streamjump) is the hardest.
01:52:954 (4,5) - rhythm: this sounds like it should be either 1/8th or 1/16th buuuut yea thats a bad idea unless you'd like to stack 5 on 4 instead

guess you couldn't keep up with the only-vertical-sliders-rotated-by-12.5-degress aesthetic xd
was only supposed to be for certain parts anywayxd

i'd say the flow needs some work but it doesnt play terribly
ok am lazy to continue can u pls m4m ty uwu im sorry i cannot mod neatly smfh someone teach me how to format ty
will do sometime xd

Saturnalize wrote:
SPOILER
another big mapset heavy breathing
xd
di
Consider adjusting your SV wisely - mono has 1.0 1.0x multiplier, while normal has 1.76 0.5x multiplier which is equivalent to 0.88. Then, tri has 1.76 1.0x. It's twice as much and you know it's a big difference!
00:14:850 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - ~~obligatory back in my day rant~~ I am not sure whether this kind of pattern is, in term of difficulty, allowed on normal. Please consult to other people (esp. BN) about this.
00:25:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - till the end and even longer]] On previous part you use 1.0x ds for 1/1 beat. This 1.7x~1.8x ds for 1/2 during this part visually similar to the previous part, which, I am worried, will confuse player. Not to mention the part afterwards, 00:47:264 (1) - , is back using 1.0x ds 1/1 beat.
00:27:954 (5) - NC, combo too long.
00:33:471 (5) - NC
01:14:505 (2,1) - I am actually not a big fan of this kind of stacking in difficulty that is not designed for advanced player. I mean yeah it looks nice but nah rather confusing.
01:41:919 (2,3) - No. Just no. You know what I'm talking. Distance!
Obviously di(s) diff needs a lot of rework and I am not kidding.
did a lot of shits and stuffs

tri
00:00:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Spacing is horrible, beat is not catchy enough for hard diff (comparing from di diff and tetra diff, this kind of opening is not a good "bridge"). Try this kind of beat pattern : http://puu.sh/slx75/43b649a1c1.jpg
changed to ur rhythm thing and stuff
00:03:126 (1,2,3,1,2) - despite the NC usage, I still expect that the spacing is at least consistent. This will affect the whole two minutes of your map, because.
i don't see an issue, and i've had people test it. they didnt get surprised by any "spacing variation" there's a pretty obvious difference between 1/4 and 1/2 either if it's 1.9 and 1.1 the difference is definitely readable(for players that would play this)imho.
00:14:850 (3,4,5,6) - Instead of making weird stacking like this, I'd rather do a back and forth pattern to emphasize the synth.
back and forth would ruin the emphasis of 00:20:368 (3,4,1,2) - imo. not changing
00:34:850 (1,2,3) - Make the distance bigger! It's deceiving.
made it a bit bigger
00:45:195 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - you may leave the 4-7 but for 1, 2 please make it farther.
ctrlg (2) xd
01:17:954 (1) - I'd rather map this part
i'd rather not, dont feel like that part needs to be mapped until insane diff
01:42:436 - oh come on make this part more catchy!
imo the gap from normal -> hard -> insane is ok
01:52:609 (3,4) - Before, you use stack for triplet (01:51:919 (4,5,1) - ) but this time you use it for 1/1 beat? No. Distance it.
changed somewhat
That's it for now, gonna continue later
soon(tm)? xd
been busy with exams and christmas and shit. that's why it has taken some time to respond and stuff

CXu

osu! Alumni

3,558 posts

Joined March 2009

CXu 2016-12-26T19:42:11+00:00

Saturnalize wrote:
mono
00:38:471 (5) - 1.1x ds pls - Fixed
01:42:436 - This part is heavily undermapped. It turns from hectic to boring (the kiai, ofc). Consider about adding more stuffs here and there. - It is, but I think it works well to tone it down after the hectic kiai, as it feels like the song is ending. Also gives more emphasis to the circle at the end.

Thanks for modding!

SPOILER

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-GN

Champion Above Champions

734 posts

Joined June 2011

-GN 2016-12-27T13:17:36+00:00

[ Emillia ] wrote:
[GN]
00:33:471 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm: i would say the musical track you're following here is kinda soft, so i kinda misread 00:34:247 (4) - and hit it on the whiteline iirc, would suggest you make this part a little denser?
can't really execute it in a satisfying manner, but i increased the spacing a bit to match 00:28:212 (2,3,4) - which is apparently fine
00:35:626 - rhythm: felt a little empty that nothing was here, so i'd suggest either adding something there or just shifting 456 further away so its more obvious there is a gap between them
shifted it a bit further away, adding a circle to 00:35:626 - would in all likelihood be cluttered, unintuitive and not flow well into the next NC
00:46:403 (3,4,5,6) - rhythm: shift between the vocal and drum track here is a little uneven, would suggest breaking up 00:46:403 (3) - into a slider with more hitcircles so you get more of the drums
alright i used two 1/4 sliders into the next triple, it should work well
00:48:643 (1,2) - aesthetic/rhythm: would suggest you make slider 1 an extended slider instead for more consistency with the repeated instances after (similarly with 00:51:402 (1) - )
good point
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - rhythm/flow: when mapping 1/8th streams on high-ish BPM its always better to put them right next to each other. slider leniency on 1/8th sliders are way worse compared to 1/4ths so 1/4 buzz sliders can be distanced further, since i hit 3 100s on all these sliders here
i was originally against it but decided to put them closer to each other, there's a bit of overlap but it should be alright
01:42:954 - rhythm: i hear something pretty strong here, i think it should be mapped and that it'll play better that way but leaving it as it is should be alright as well, though its partly because the track you were following initially is still quite soft
disagree, i'm not straying from that track even though it's pretty soft at the start

interesting rhythm choices, i'd say you have a keen ear on following rhythmic tracks, and though i didnt particularly like the whole 00:02:092 (3) - aesthetic this diff flows super well
thanks for the good mod, it's a very stylized map and not everybody likes it but i'm satisfied with how it turned out. happy to hear the flow is good

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GenDoNL

149 posts

Joined February 2015

GenDoNL 2016-12-28T17:36:50+00:00

Hello

Sebu asked me to mod...
I tried my best. . .

[CXu's monogon]

00:21:057 (3,4) - Was this supposed to be a blanket? If it was, it's slightly off.
00:38:988 (1) - The previous pattern was 1.1x DS, I think you could get away with adding 1.1 here as well to get rid of the overlap with 00:37:954 (4), since that looks a bit messy right now.

[digon]

00:16:230 (6,7) - What are these 2 mapped to exactly? Since the previous sliders seem to be mapped to that high sound. There is of course the bass there, consider NCing them so it's clear that it's mapped to a different sound or maybe even map them as circles instead? Same for similar pattens after.
00:33:988 (2,3,1) - Hmm might be a bit too difficult for newer players, since the 1 appears before you move to the 3. Might wanna change this to be less confusing.
01:49:333 (1) - Right side is slightly shorter than left side, intentional?
01:53:126 (3) - All diffs end at 01:53:385, except this one!

[trigon]

00:05:195 (3,4,5) - Looks good without stacking in editor, but in play-mode (or with stacking enabled), the overlap is quite ugly.
00:06:919 (3,1,2) - Hm not sure if the player is able to see that the 1-2 is a 1/4 gap. Since 3-1-2 all have similar DS.
00:09:678 (3,1,2) - Same as above, bit better though.
00:37:695 (2) - Is this meant to be a full circle? The top slider is a bit too high then.
00:47:264 (1,2,3) - All 1/4 and really different spacing, how is the player supposed to know that 2-3 is also 1/4?
01:01:057 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing.
01:16:230 (5) - NC maybe?

[tetragon]

00:38:299 (5,6,7) - Spacing is really inconsistent when stacking is enabled.
01:24:161 (7,8) - Any reason why 8 is suddenly in pointing to a different direction? 01:28:816 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) Similar pattern but the 8 is pointing to the same direction here.
01:48:298 (4) and 01:49:678 (4) - sound like they should be a held note, so 1/4 sliders, instead.

[-GN's pentagon]

00:17:781 (4,5) - I see the nice pattern you're trying to make, but are you sure about the short DS between 4-5, 5 is a rather distinct sound. Kinda same for 00:18:643 (9).
00:17:954 (5) - Might wanna NC this.
00:35:885 (5,6) - Rather strong sound here, might want to increase spacing between 5 and 6.
I think 00:59:161 (5) and 00:59:678 (1) - Are rather confusing, since (5) has 2 repeats, while (1) only has 1. Should be more consistent imo.
01:43:471 (6,7) - Why is this double 0.6 DS while 01:44:074 (3,4) and 01:44:505 (6,7,8) are 0.5, while the music is actually getting louder.

[hexagon]

00:09:334 (5,6) - Are you going for the overlap there, it looks slightly off. Not that it really matters tho...
00:29:074 (2) - Overmapped, no sound here.
01:26:575 (1,2,3,4) - Spacing of this stream fluctuates quite a bit, is this on purpose? Might want to smooth it.
01:48:471 (5,8) - Overlap looks a bit ugly, could lower 01:48:644 (6,7,8,1,2) a bit.

[-PC's heptagon]

00:32:264 (2) - Would flow better if 2 was further to the right (x:278, y:187) imo.
Yeaah, this map is way above my skil level to mod. It looks fine to me, but I can't really judge it well.

-PC

135 posts

Joined July 2013

-PC 2016-12-29T14:18:25+00:00

Lami

Lami wrote:
00:12:609 (2,3) - well, try to 1/4 slider? or nerfed
feel this stream trick is quitely hard, despite of it's intro part.
player will get miss easily in here. than other parts. I find this pattern both fits the difficulty of the map and the gimmick esque style I've chosen. I also think it's fine as an early object, since it reflects the rest of the map and gives the player a proper introduction, where if they don't like it they have plenty of time to quit playing. The pattern makes sense to me considering slider 00:12:436 (1) - leads the flow in a sort of opposite way (see green slider flow), and it continues to follow said flow. It pattern plays very nicely, and I don't see too much difficulty hitting this sightread, and even less so on their next attempts.
00:27:868 (8,1,2) - how about try to something in (1,2)
example) http://puu.sh/rAZSP.jpg
as 00:27:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2) - have consistent stream
despite of 00:27:954 (1) - have NC I considered it and like the idea, but I just don't think it looks good enough, and is a tad bit unnecessary as you want the speed going into the slider. The stream leading into it is also not following the same direction, and I feel this is enough to warrant the direction change, rather than the proposed spacing change.
00:34:678 (5,6,1) - increaseee DS for emphasis beat I agree, although I have previously described my thoughts on this pattern over at Smoothie World's mod (see comment on - 00:34:678 (5,6,1) ). Increased spacing a little and changed the shape of this stream.
00:36:057 (3) - 1/4 slider better which have fast SV. No, I feel this should be a circle despite my active use of 1/4 sliders in this map.
00:45:540 (4) - NC? I understand your thinking, however I don't agree this is necessary as the sudden new combo after the two first circles would be confusing.
01:47:954 (1) - remove nc 1,1 is kinda weird on visual Yes, this one was a bit strange. I'm still not entirely sure, as I would need to be consistent in combo with the following pattern 01:49:074 (4,5,1) - , where (5) is the white tick (I usually put NC on white ticks), but yeah this probably works!

Thanks for the mod!

Emilia

[ Emillia ] wrote:
00:00:368 (1,2,3,4) - aesthetics: the shape of the burst leading into the slider looks p ugly No. This shape with complimentary directions looks nice.
00:25:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - aesthetics: i dont quite like the shape, suggestion to change it or just to NC this 00:26:230 (5) - to have similar effect as 00:29:936 (8,1) - when shape of stream changes Changed shape so that it doesn't look shit!
00:42:954 (1,2) - rhythm: this bit is a little plain compared to note density of before, but its fine as it is Yup, the song isn't quite the same so this pattern is different too. The difficulty needed is still there though, so I agree it is fine.
00:46:574 (1,2) - rhythm: this part felt super uncomfortable to play cuz 00:47:005 (2) - 's head practically lands on nothing in the music, even if it doesnt its not very audible during gameplay I disagree; it feels just fine to play. You wouldn't be able to hear the "inaudible" (I find them perfectly audible) sounds before after having pressed the sliderhead anyway.
00:47:264 (1,2,3) - rhythm: this part felt awkward to play as well, though it matches the rhythm, i think its related to polarity(?) maybe map it similar to 00:48:643 (1,2,3,4) - Yeah, I think this is a case of the slider looking like it should be 1/2 when it's not. Your solution doesn't really work, as the sounds are different. I figured I had to keep it this way and it seems that placing a slider following the flow of (1) makes it easier to play.
00:50:023 (1,2) - rhythm: similar to before, about plain rhythm, though its still alright to play Changed around a bit to fit the music better.
00:59:161 (3,4,5,6) - aesthetic: would suggest adding an NC before this part, because if not its not very obvious in gameplay that the distances are different, then there'd be not much of a point to make them different in the first place Adding NC here would make people think I'm Hollow Wings. It's very clear (at least to me) that this is one stream, and an NC would give the opposite effect.
01:16:488 (2) - rhythm: this note was a little awkward to play, because the notes prior all emphasised the synth track instead of the little squeaks(?) so i couldnt really catch onto that note fast enough, suggest removing it but if theres a better way to include that rhythm and make it readable its fine too Yes, fixed this one!
01:49:419 (1) - rhythm: similar to before ^ I feel this one is completely fine, as it plays like the triple before it.

it honestly looks really grotesque in editor, but it plays really really well. the spaced stream bits are surprisingly intuitive and the overall flow is really fun. i really quite like it, gj on this!

Shame it looks grotesque in the editor. I only feel this way for some parts of the map. Thanks a bunch!

GenDoNL

GenDoNL wrote:
00:32:264 (2) - Would flow better if 2 was further to the right (x:278, y:187) imo. Not that far out, but yeah moved (2) some to the right and (3) some to the left.
Yeaah, this map is way above my skil level to mod. It looks fine to me, but I can't really judge it well.

Woah don't think like that. Regardless if your input is helpful or not (it always is btw, mappers can reflect on the noted parts even if they don't want to change it!) you will learn something yourself after the mapper gives feedback in the mod! Everyone wins something, so go nuts modding maps even when you feel they're too difficult \:D/ Thanks for the mod!

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Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2016-12-29T19:00:15+00:00

[quote="GenDoNL"]Hello

Sebu asked me to mod...
I tried my best. . .
-thank youuu

[digon]

00:16:230 (6,7) - What are these 2 mapped to exactly? Since the previous sliders seem to be mapped to that high sound. There is of course the bass there, consider NCing them so it's clear that it's mapped to a different sound or maybe even map them as circles instead? Same for similar pattens after.
-i guess NC'ing them would make it more obvious that its mapped to a different sound, i just felt like there wasnt a reason as the rhythm in itself wasnt different, therefore "reading" it wouldnt be a problem. however ncing it looks a bit weird kinda? idk feels unnecessary for it to be (1,2,3,4,1,2,1).
00:33:988 (2,3,1) - Hmm might be a bit too difficult for newer players, since the 1 appears before you move to the 3. Might wanna change this to be less confusing.
-true. changed it a bit.
01:49:333 (1) - Right side is slightly shorter than left side, intentional?
-yes.
01:53:126 (3) - All diffs end at 01:53:385, except this one!
-oh shit

[trigon]

00:05:195 (3,4,5) - Looks good without stacking in editor, but in play-mode (or with stacking enabled), the overlap is quite ugly.
-really? i think it looks alright, as it goes into the corner pocketthing of the last slider.
00:06:919 (3,1,2) - Hm not sure if the player is able to see that the 1-2 is a 1/4 gap. Since 3-1-2 all have similar DS.
-moved 1-2 a bit closer and both of them a bit further away from 3.
00:09:678 (3,1,2) - Same as above, bit better though.
-moved 1. a bit up and rotated slider after by 5 to make it closer.
00:37:695 (2) - Is this meant to be a full circle? The top slider is a bit too high then.
-fixed it
00:47:264 (1,2,3) - All 1/4 and really different spacing, how is the player supposed to know that 2-3 is also 1/4?
-hooly. i suk. fixed alotttt
01:01:057 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing.
-fix..
01:16:230 (5) - NC maybe?
-yup

[tetragon]

00:38:299 (5,6,7) - Spacing is really inconsistent when stacking is enabled.
-it's like that to emphasize the triplet feel of (7,8,9).
01:24:161 (7,8) - Any reason why 8 is suddenly in pointing to a different direction? 01:28:816 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) Similar pattern but the 8 is pointing to the same direction here.
-in the pattern you compared it to 01:28:643 (1,2,7,8) - both slide on top of each other moving forward, but for the partyou mentioned, both first and last part also go in different directions 01:23:126 (1,2,7,8) - . not much to it tbh, they are just patterns.
01:48:298 (4) and 01:49:678 (4) - sound like they should be a held note, so 1/4 sliders, instead.
-1/4 sliders here don't really fit imo.

[hexagon]

00:09:334 (5,6) - Are you going for the overlap there, it looks slightly off. Not that it really matters tho...
-not sure what overlap u are talking about, its just copy pasted from the other similar instances. (if ur talking about the triplet before, then no. the triplet is supposed to have a bit higher spacing for emphasis)
00:29:074 (2) - Overmapped, no sound here.
-but there is?
01:26:575 (1,2,3,4) - Spacing of this stream fluctuates quite a bit, is this on purpose? Might want to smooth it.
-wtf has happened there lmao. guess you can blame copy paste + rotate.
01:48:471 (5,8) - Overlap looks a bit ugly, could lower 01:48:644 (6,7,8,1,2) a bit.
-but all my amazing thingys nooo;w; 01:47:264 (3,4,5,5) - 01:47:695 (7,6,7,8) - ... okkkk

CXu

osu! Alumni

3,558 posts

Joined March 2009

CXu 2016-12-29T22:15:30+00:00

GenDoNL wrote:
[CXu's monogon]
00:21:057 (3,4) - Was this supposed to be a blanket? If it was, it's slightly off.
00:38:988 (1) - The previous pattern was 1.1x DS, I think you could get away with adding 1.1 here as well to get rid of the overlap with 00:37:954 (4), since that looks a bit messy right now.

All fixed. Thanks!

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-GN

Champion Above Champions

734 posts

Joined June 2011

-GN 2017-01-26T16:51:20+00:00

GenDoNL wrote:
[-GN's pentagon]
00:17:781 (4,5) - I see the nice pattern you're trying to make, but are you sure about the short DS between 4-5, 5 is a rather distinct sound. Kinda same for 00:18:643 (9).
changed to a slider to put lower pressure on (6), but the pattern style i'm going for is staying here
00:17:954 (5) - Might wanna NC this.
no, that would clash with the pattern
00:35:885 (5,6) - Rather strong sound here, might want to increase spacing between 5 and 6.
i feel like that would put way too much sudden pressure on the player. it's more spaced than the usual double, so it should be fine
I think 00:59:161 (5) and 00:59:678 (1) - Are rather confusing, since (5) has 2 repeats, while (1) only has 1. Should be more consistent imo.
i think it's intuitive enough. if you pay attention when playing, you'll see the (1,2,3)s are pretty close compared to the earlier (5), which helps you realize they're only 3/4 long.
01:43:471 (6,7) - Why is this double 0.6 DS while 01:44:074 (3,4) and 01:44:505 (6,7,8) are 0.5, while the music is actually getting louder.
restructured 01:44:074 (3,4,5,6,7,8) a bit, but 01:44:074 (3,4) doesn't need that distinction

thanks for mod

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311,189,107868,6,0,B|242:165|242:165|196:163,1,109.199996667481,2|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
158,151,108126,1,2,0:0:0:0:
131,151,108212,1,2,0:0:0:0:
104,151,108298,1,8,3:1:0:0:
16,247,108470,1,2,0:0:0:0:
147,247,108643,1,0,3:0:0:0:
174,247,108729,1,0,0:0:0:0:
201,247,108816,2,0,B|277:274|277:274|336:275,1,109.199996667481,2|8,0:0|3:1,0:0:0:0:
350,260,109074,1,2,0:0:0:0:
457,335,109247,1,2,3:2:0:0:
300,356,109419,5,2,0:0:0:0:
274,361,109505,1,2,0:0:0:0:
247,366,109591,1,2,0:0:0:0:
220,371,109678,1,8,3:1:0:0:
90,384,109850,1,2,0:0:0:0:
2,285,110023,1,0,3:0:0:0:
29,280,110110,1,0,0:0:0:0:
56,275,110195,2,0,B|124:259|124:259|158:229,1,109.199996667481,2|8,0:0|3:1,0:0:0:0:
202,223,110453,1,2,0:0:0:0:
221,100,110626,5,2,0:0:0:0:
259,105,110712,2,0,B|295:91|295:91|365:99,1,109.199996667481,0|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
476,130,111057,1,8,3:1:0:0:
508,243,111230,1,2,0:0:0:0:
428,330,111402,1,0,3:0:0:0:
314,296,111574,1,2,0:0:0:0:
278,190,111747,1,8,3:1:0:0:
299,186,111833,2,0,B|357:192|357:192|398:221,1,109.199996667481,2|2,0:0|3:2,0:0:0:0:
435,254,112091,5,4,3:2:0:0:
172,244,112350,1,8,3:1:0:0:
302,23,112609,1,0,3:0:0:0:
305,208,112781,5,0,0:0:0:0:
155,142,112954,2,0,L|114:140,3,27.2999991668701,0|0|0|0,1:0|1:0|1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
184,113,113126,2,0,L|244:116,1,54.5999983337403,8|0,3:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
403,125,113385,1,2,1:0:0:0:

Manu028

149 posts

Joined March 2015

Manu028 2017-07-22T20:02:15+00:00

Modding by request!

[heptagone]

00:00:712 (1,1,2) - these curves are a little sharp, try to fix them
00:01:574 (2) - I suggest a NC here
00:08:299 (1,2,3) - I don't see why this is spaced more than the others triple
00:17:609 (1,1,1) - They are a little sharp too, but considering the map is called "polygon" i'm starting to think this is not a mistake so i won't make any other points about sharp slider curves
00:29:678 (2) - this is a strong sound, maybe you could space it a little more like you did with the previous strong sounds
00:41:574 (5) - 2.1x SV on this (imo)
00:50:368 (1,2,3,4) - Didn't get this spacing
01:19:678 (1,1) - the 1/8 sounds continue till the end of the second slider
I think you should space this 01:23:816 (1,2,3,4) - from this 01:24:161 (5,6,7,8) - | same here with this 01:29:333 (1,2,3,1) - and this 01:29:678 (2,3,1,2) - (with same combos as before) | same here with this 01:36:230 (1,2,1,2) - and this 01:36:574 (1,2,1,2) - this whole point is personal don't take it too seriously
01:46:919 (2) - I feel like a same but flipped version of this 01:46:574 (1) - is better here but it's personal so it's not that important

EDIT: I will mod other diffs tomorrow because i didn't have time today

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2017-07-22T23:53:07+00:00

Manu028 wrote:
Modding by request!

[heptagone]
00:00:712 (1,1,2) - these curves are a little sharp, try to fix them
I like them like this(i might be redoing this first section some time as people has struggled reading 1 specific part, but we'll see)
00:01:574 (2) - I suggest a NC here
sure thing
00:08:299 (1,2,3) - I don't see why this is spaced more than the others triple
the pitch is higher here, so it's more spaced to emphasize that.
00:17:609 (1,1,1) - They are a little sharp too, but considering the map is called "polygon" i'm starting to think this is not a mistake so i won't make any other points about sharp slider curves
they are supposed to be sharp like this
00:29:678 (2) - this is a strong sound, maybe you could space it a little more like you did with the previous strong sounds
the spacing is like this cuz its only supposed to differenciate the sound on these doublets 00:29:333 (1,2) - and the sound on this 00:28:988 (4,5,6,7,1,2) -
00:41:574 (5) - 2.1x SV on this (imo)
I think it would be unnecessary and would ruin the look of 00:41:402 (4,5) -

00:50:368 (1,2,3,4) - Didn't get this spacing
I think this spacing is fine?
01:19:678 (1,1) - the 1/8 sounds continue till the end of the second slider
even tho the 1/8 sound continues, the voice overpowers it here and makes for a nice transition
I think you should space this 01:23:816 (1,2,3,4) - from this 01:24:161 (5,6,7,8) - | same here with this 01:29:333 (1,2,3,1) - and this 01:29:678 (2,3,1,2) - (with same combos as before) | same here with this 01:36:230 (1,2,1,2) - and this 01:36:574 (1,2,1,2) - this whole point is personal don't take it too seriously
I don't feel like the music supports a jump from these
01:46:919 (2) - I feel like a same but flipped version of this 01:46:574 (1) - is better here but it's personal so it's not that important
hmm, maybe, but I think what I have now fits more with the style of the map

EDIT: I will mod other diffs tomorrow because i didn't have time today

thanks a bunch! (will update when full mod is here :>)

Manu028

149 posts

Joined March 2015

Manu028 2017-07-23T21:29:17+00:00

Sorry if I'm late, but let's continue the mod (NO NEED TO GIVE KUDOSU HERE SINCE U DID ON THE PREVIOUS POST)

[-GN's pentagone]

00:46:403 (3,4) - idk if u noticed but there is a 1/8 sound here (just to point it out)
01:46:230 (1,2) - I see this double better with a slider like u did here 01:44:850 (1,2,3,4) -

[-PC's hexagone]

01:31:402 (1) - from this part you stop the jumpstreams and do normal streams instead, but tbh i don't see any change in the song, the intensity is litterally the same, to me it would be better to just continue like you did in the first section
01:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - okay, this is a cool idea, why is this the only stream with a polygon? if you really want to keep the second section without jumpstreams, it would be cool to see polygon-streams like this (imo)

Okay sorry for the short mod but i really enjoy both diffs and i liked almost all of them

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2017-07-25T22:41:20+00:00

test123

play rainworld

373 posts

Joined May 2015

play rainworld 2017-07-26T04:15:12+00:00

doubt i'll be able to mod this well lol

heptagon (should be the best shape, the octagon /s)

~ 00:16:057 (2) - think this should have a larger SV because it has a higher pitch
~ 00:18:643 (1) - ^
~ 00:21:402 (1) - feels weird to end on a higher pitch note imo

this map is amazing +1

Gokateigo

289 posts

Joined April 2016

Gokateigo 2017-07-27T12:36:36+00:00

tetragon

00:00:540 (3,4) - start the angle of 4 under the tail of 3, it looks better
00:02:436 (5,6,7,8,1) - spacing should be higher here
00:12:781 (1,2,3) - pretty strong beats and they're all stacked, why ?
00:23:816 (1) - rotate by 180°, ctrl+g and do a perfect triangle with the tail of 3, the circle and the head of this one, looks better
00:30:540 (10) - it sounds like the sv should change here
01:02:350 (10,1) - looks weird
01:03:040 (5,6) - ^
01:06:316 (8,1) - eww, don't do that, it's a strong beat should be spaced + I'm not fan of the pattern
01:14:505 (6,7) - all this part flows pretty well but this breaks the flow without the reason

-PC

00:03:643 (1,2) - this kind of things looks weird
00:36:919 (1,2) - ^
01:29:333 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - why ? there is no reasons to do that

heptagon

00:03:643 (1,2) - stack this correctly
00:06:402 (1,2) - ^
00:09:161 (1,2) - ^

Hard to mod

great map, gl

_Crow

126 posts

Joined October 2014

_Crow 2017-07-27T14:17:44+00:00

Hi! From my queue

[Tetragon]
00:02:436 (5,6,7,8,1) - This could be more good-looking, it looks handmade
00:23:643 (4,1) - Here you're kinda ignoring an important sound on 00:23:988 - , I think something like slider-slider fits better in the rhythm instead of circle-slider-arrow
00:58:299 (1,2,3,4) - You're skipping a white tick later, there's a quite important sound there
01:03:816 (1,2,3,4) - same
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - Maybe here you could keep the rotation pattern as before
01:20:368 - to 01:31:402 - I think you should be more consnstent here with kicksliders overlaps. Try overlapping them by the same amount for visual consistency, stuff like this 01:23:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - doesn't look very good
01:31:402 - to 01:42:350 - I know that the song gets more intense here, but sapced 1/4 like these 01:32:781 (1,2,3) - Are usually reserved for higher insanes and extra, or for things below 160bpm i think. Imo they should be nerfed, they won't hurt sr too much anyway, it would drop down to something like 4.59
01:47:954 - Skipped a sound
01:49:333 - same here

[-GN's pentagon]
00:02:436 (4,5,6,7) - I would've mapped that weird sound here but it's a subjective thing
00:24:333 (4,5) - Here red and white ticks stand out, I think the correct way is to make (4) a kickslider and make this 00:24:592 (6,7,8,9) - 5 notes instead of 4
00:28:730 (4) - Skipping a sound here, would be good to add a circle stacked on it
00:34:247 (4) - same
01:02:264 (2,3) - A slider shouldn't pass across important sounds
01:03:126 (8) - Triple here fits good
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - This plays very awkward, usually players will expect these to be 1/1 or 1/2 long, unless other types of rhythm have been made clear earlier on the map. Also, there are more important sounds on white ticks rather than red and blue, so you should either make 2 of them 1/1 long or 4 of them 1/4 long, they're both fine
01:42:436 (1,2,3) - Make this 4 notes long so you don't skip the white tick
01:47:868 (1) - Make this circle-1/4 slider, fits better imo
01:49:247 (10,1,2,3,4) - Same thing as before, skipping a beat

[-PC's hexagon]
Damn i love this diff

00:11:057 (5) - Maybe curve it a bit more? It looks way better to me
00:21:402 (1,2) - Maybe curve them the same amount as 00:20:712 (1,2) - for visual consistency, or vice versa
00:47:005 (2) - I don't get why is it here lol, I can't hear anything there
00:49:161 (4) - Would be nice if you kept it the same way as this 00:47:954 (1,2) - and made it go outward
00:54:505 (3,4) - Same here, I don't like things like these very much, but it's subjective
01:24:505 (1) - Center it a bit
01:41:747 (1,2,1) - Make these the same distance apart, because it plays like a triple, and having them spaced differently is a bit weird. Basically, just treat (2) as a circle and ignore the slidertail

[heptagon]
00:01:402 (1,2) - sv here should be inverted, following the previous logic, or at least be equal if you don't wanna under-emphasize the sound on the first slider
00:24:333 (1,1,1) - These SV changes, unlike before, are unjustified, since the second slider is as strong as the other two. You should make it equal sv
00:35:712 (5,6) - There are 1/8 sounds here. It's still ok like this, but it would be cool to add some 1/8 sliders maybe
00:47:264 - to 00:55:540 - sv here seems pretty random, sometimes you use fast sv on claps like 00:47:609 (1) -, sometimes slow like 00:48:299 (1) -. This is a pretty big inconsistency and you should fix it, either making clap sliders fast (recommended) or slow. You can't switch between them without justification
01:20:368 - to 01:31:402 - Spacing between jumpstreams is very inconsistent. We can divide this in two smaller sections with two jumpstreams each. In the first one, the spacing you use is basically 1.1x > 0.4x > 0.8x > stack and 1.1x > 0.8x > longer stack, while in the second section it changes to 1.1x > stack > 0.8x > 0.4x and 1.1x > 0.4 > longer stack. Since these two mini-sections are literally the same, spacing shouldn't change so drastically. Variety can't be a justification, since it only applies for minor variations, not major ones like this. (i'm considering things like these 01:26:230 (1,2,3,4) - stacks for semplicity)
01:31:402 - to kiai end: same concept as before but with more spacing

That's all! Hope it helps, good luck!

Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2017-07-27T20:03:06+00:00

SnivehNDraegonz wrote:
doubt i'll be able to mod this well lol

heptagon (should be the best shape, the octagon /s)
~ 00:16:057 (2) - think this should have a larger SV because it has a higher pitch
~ 00:18:643 (1) - ^
I think the difference 00:15:713 (2,2) - (basically every other slider) makes it justifiable as in comparison to the other ones it has higher sv. It also looks better this way

~ 00:21:402 (1) - feels weird to end on a higher pitch note imo
The reason behind this is to always keep the player "on their toes" so to speak, it acts as a reading challenge for the most part
this map is amazing +1

thank you

Gokateigo wrote:
tetragon
00:00:540 (3,4) - start the angle of 4 under the tail of 3, it looks better
did something

00:02:436 (5,6,7,8,1) - spacing should be higher here
agreed, made it all 1.0x
00:12:781 (1,2,3) - pretty strong beats and they're all stacked, why ?
kind of irregular rhythm, easier to read it stacked also no spacing can also be a way to emphasize
00:23:816 (1) - rotate by 180°, ctrl+g and do a perfect triangle with the tail of 3, the circle and the head of this one, looks better
it's already a perfect triangle, and I think it looks better without the rotations :<
00:30:540 (10) - it sounds like the sv should change here
don't feel like it's necessary with a sv change here on an insane diff
01:02:350 (10,1) - looks weird
01:03:040 (5,6) - ^
made some changes
01:06:316 (8,1) - eww, don't do that, it's a strong beat should be spaced + I'm not fan of the pattern
gotten a couple complaints about this now, so fine i changed up the order of the pattern afterwards
01:14:505 (6,7) - all this part flows pretty well but this breaks the flow without the reason
changed up this entire part

heptagon
00:03:643 (1,2) - stack this correctly
00:06:402 (1,2) - ^
00:09:161 (1,2) - ^
not quite sure what you mean by this, they are supposed to be stacked like this?

Hard to mod great map, gl

thanks~

walter85 wrote:
Hi! From my queue

[Tetragon]
00:02:436 (5,6,7,8,1) - This could be more good-looking, it looks handmade
fixed in previous mod

00:23:643 (4,1) - Here you're kinda ignoring an important sound on 00:23:988 - , I think something like slider-slider fits better in the rhythm instead of circle-slider-arrow
as this is an insane, i feel like this should be fine(especially since it's done with the exact same slider before it)

00:58:299 (1,2,3,4) - You're skipping a white tick later, there's a quite important sound there
01:03:816 (1,2,3,4) - same
initally i wanted to ignore this and just focus on the instrument on the first 4 notes, but i agree. put a note on both places

01:18:988 (1,2,3) - Maybe here you could keep the rotation pattern as before
this part was changed in previous mod

01:20:368 - to 01:31:402 - I think you should be more consnstent here with kicksliders overlaps. Try overlapping them by the same amount for visual consistency, stuff like this 01:23:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - doesn't look very good
made overlaps more consistent

01:31:402 - to 01:42:350 - I know that the song gets more intense here, but sapced 1/4 like these 01:32:781 (1,2,3) - Are usually reserved for higher insanes and extra, or for things below 160bpm i think. Imo they should be nerfed, they won't hurt sr too much anyway, it would drop down to something like 4.59
I dont feel like this is too hard for a diff like this

01:47:954 - Skipped a sound
01:49:333 - same here
there are more than this like 01:45:540 - , but thats cuz im only following the synth or whatever thats playing

[heptagon]
00:01:402 (1,2) - sv here should be inverted, following the previous logic, or at least be equal if you don't wanna under-emphasize the sound on the first slider
i was kind of questioning this myself too, as for an explanation of this 00:00:712 (1,1) - is following the high pitch sound, and since it changes
here 00:01:402 (1) - to a much crazier sound, the SV is increased, however im not sure if the last slider 00:01:574 (2) - is justifiable with just being less intense than the previous one and therefore can be as short as it is, at the same time as it "completes" this pattern 00:00:712 (1,1,2) - . therefore i won't change it right now, but if i have to, I'll change it to the same slider as the previous one.

00:24:333 (1,1,1) - These SV changes, unlike before, are unjustified, since the second slider is as strong as the other two. You should make it equal sv
I dont see why this would be unjustified. the sound on these are not the same? 00:24:333 (1,1) -

00:35:712 (5,6) - There are 1/8 sounds here. It's still ok like this, but it would be cool to add some 1/8 sliders maybe
keeping as is

00:47:264 - to 00:55:540 - sv here seems pretty random, sometimes you use fast sv on claps like 00:47:609 (1) -, sometimes slow like 00:48:299 (1) -. This is a pretty big inconsistency and you should fix it, either making clap sliders fast (recommended) or slow. You can't switch between them without justification
I wouldn't say they are random, as there is a pattern to them. first fast - second slow, this is to compensate for the overpowering sounds of 00:48:643 (1,1,1) - to make them stand out more. ofc this could be done in other ways, but I found this one fitting

01:20:368 - to 01:31:402 - Spacing between jumpstreams is very inconsistent. We can divide this in two smaller sections with two jumpstreams each. In the first one, the spacing you use is basically 1.1x > 0.4x > 0.8x > stack and 1.1x > 0.8x > longer stack, while in the second section it changes to 1.1x > stack > 0.8x > 0.4x and 1.1x > 0.4 > longer stack. Since these two mini-sections are literally the same, spacing shouldn't change so drastically. Variety can't be a justification, since it only applies for minor variations, not major ones like this. (i'm considering things like these 01:26:230 (1,2,3,4) - stacks for semplicity)
When considering jumpstreams, spacing isnt the only factor to what makes it difficult. if im gonna use the same logic we have: 2 sections with 2 jumpstreams-parts, A-1, A-2, B-1 and B-2 where A-1 = B-1 and so on. the difference between a-1 and b-1 is as u said; 1.1x > 0.4x > 0.8x > stack || 1.1x > stack > 0.8x > 0.4x. so the stack and the 0.4x changes. however all of these play at about the same difficulty(i could explain for every case, but to make it short lets use one). on A-2 you have this jump 01:23:385 (4,1) - where the player needs to "jump back" and then continue movement in the same direction as the previous stream. the spacing here is lower than on B-2 01:28:902 (4,1) - because this kind of movement is usually simpler, therefore the jump to the next stream is larger but spacing of it is lower, making it justifiable "variations" so to speak. hopefully i explained well enough..
01:31:402 - to kiai end: same concept as before but with more spacing
?

That's all! Hope it helps, good luck!

thanks for modding everyone!
(reminder for myself that i need to fix hitsounds for tetragon when i get home xd...)

Mismagius

9,237 posts

Joined July 2008

Mismagius 2017-07-31T12:04:21+00:00

hello, sorry for being late
giving a quick check in other diffs, but won't really be too nitpicky

[monogon]

00:02:609 (2) - i think i'd probably NC this for intuitiveness, with the red tick & different sound / rhythm break. you did this on 00:24:505 (1) - for a similar situation.
01:32:781 (3,4,5,1) - i'd really recommend making things less overlappy here, it's the lowest diff in the mapset
01:38:298 (3,4,5,1) - same as above, something like this would work better imo
01:47:954 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - i'm not sure if i get the idea of this section, but 01:43:126 (1,2,3) - is a triangle and 01:45:195 (1,2,3,4) - is a square. maybe position 01:50:712 (1) - in a way that makes the third combo a pentagon?

[digon]

00:54:161 (1) - i'd try to mess around with this slider until the endpoint is at x267 y229 so it stacks with 00:56:574 (3) - and makes a good blanket with 00:55:540 (1) -
01:00:368 (2,3,1) - i'd try to arrange this triangle doing something like placing 01:00:368 (2) - at x388 y244, 01:00:712 (3) - at x444 y376 and 01:01:057 (1) - at x298 y358. looks nicer & stacks with the sliderend
01:13:471 (1) - IMO arranging this slider to make something like this would look nicer

[trigon]

00:14:850 (3,4,5,6,1) - i think the usage of 1/2 antijumps in ar8 and awkward rhythms just doesn't work well for a diff that seems to be a light insane. i'd rather use constant spacing here or something
00:38:977 - unsnapped timing section
00:45:195 (4,5,6,7) - ok for this one i DEFINITELY clicked them as 1/4s, this is just really hard to sightread for someone playing a 3* diff
01:00:368 (4) - i'd personally remove the last 2 repeats from this for rhythm simplification & making this more sightreadable
01:05:884 (4) - ^
01:07:781 (1,1) - pretty much impossible to read at ar8 for the players this diff is designed for. personally i'd just stack 01:07:781 (1) - at x272 y136
01:42:092 (4,5,6,1) - not sure about the rankability of this, (1)'s path is pretty much blocked by the triple for a long time

[tetragon]

00:11:402 (1,2,3) - aww, why the awkward overlapping here, you seemed to utilize larger spacing in the other 1/4 slider jumps
00:34:764 (7) - i said i wasn't gonna be nitpicky but move this note 2px up to make this triple straight
01:03:471 (1,2) - i'd apply normal hitsound soundset to these two
01:46:574 (1,2) - i think these two should be more spaced between them, really thought this was 1/4 at first

[pentagon]

00:59:161 (5,6,7) - because of the spacing i really couldn't predict that (5) had two repeats. i'd try to get (6,7) closer to it so it keeps a relation of continuity
01:03:126 (8) - moving (8) to x428 y224 would look nicer imo

[hexagon]

00:06:919 (3) - move 1px down for perfect stacking :^)
01:08:565 (8) - unsnapped

really nice diff, loved this one

[heptagon]

00:05:368 (1,2) - didn't really understand this at first, i'd probably move these down 2px so it's at least clear this is a double and not a slider or something
00:22:005 (4) - stack perfectly with (1)'s sliderend pls i hate saying this but it just triggers me
00:33:816 (1) - NC here seems a bit odd, may just be me though
00:34:678 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - i'd probably space these combos farther away from each other, something like this should work well enough to make it better readable
00:37:954 (2) - 1px right SORRY I'LL STOP
00:39:850 (1) - not sure about this sliderend covering a strong beat, maybe make it a 1/4 slider & a note?
00:42:609 (1) - ^

also really liked this diff

[octagon]

great job on this map, hope to see it ranked soon

CXu

osu! Alumni

3,558 posts

Joined March 2009

CXu 2017-07-31T16:20:11+00:00

Mismagius wrote:
[monogon]
00:02:609 (2) - i think i'd probably NC this for intuitiveness, with the red tick & different sound / rhythm break. you did this on 00:24:505 (1) - for a similar situation. - Sure.
01:32:781 (3,4,5,1) - i'd really recommend making things less overlappy here, it's the lowest diff in the mapset - Sure
01:38:298 (3,4,5,1) - same as above, something like this would work better imo - Sure
01:47:954 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - i'm not sure if i get the idea of this section, but 01:43:126 (1,2,3) - is a triangle and 01:45:195 (1,2,3,4) - is a square. maybe position 01:50:712 (1) - in a way that makes the third combo a pentagon? - The idea was that the slider before the triangle took up one of the circles for the first combo so I just made a triangle with it xddd. But good idea, Changed

Thanks!

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Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2017-08-01T13:51:47+00:00

Mismagius wrote:
hello, sorry for being late
giving a quick check in other diffs, but won't really be too nitpicky
no worries

[digon]
00:54:161 (1) - i'd try to mess around with this slider until the endpoint is at x267 y229 so it stacks with 00:56:574 (3) - and makes a good blanket with 00:55:540 (1) -
fixed
01:00:368 (2,3,1) - i'd try to arrange this triangle doing something like placing 01:00:368 (2) - at x388 y244, 01:00:712 (3) - at x444 y376 and 01:01:057 (1) - at x298 y358. looks nicer & stacks with the sliderend
fixed
01:13:471 (1) - IMO arranging this slider to make something like this would look nicer
cleaned it up a bit. made something similar
[trigon]
00:14:850 (3,4,5,6,1) - i think the usage of 1/2 antijumps in ar8 and awkward rhythms just doesn't work well for a diff that seems to be a light insane. i'd rather use constant spacing here or something
made a couple changes.
00:38:977 - unsnapped timing section
fixed
00:45:195 (4,5,6,7) - ok for this one i DEFINITELY clicked them as 1/4s, this is just really hard to sightread for someone playing a 3* diff
~~learn to read~~made them stacked :^)
01:00:368 (4) - i'd personally remove the last 2 repeats from this for rhythm simplification & making this more sightreadable
01:05:884 (4) - ^
ait, removed for simplicity
01:07:781 (1,1) - pretty much impossible to read at ar8 for the players this diff is designed for. personally i'd just stack 01:07:781 (1) - at x272 y136
agree, also stacked 01:07:523 (1) - with 01:06:574 (1) - so that it looks pretty
01:42:092 (4,5,6,1) - not sure about the rankability of this, (1)'s path is pretty much blocked by the triple for a long time
made it stacked on sliderend, and fixed triangle accoringly
[tetragon]
00:11:402 (1,2,3) - aww, why the awkward overlapping here, you seemed to utilize larger spacing in the other 1/4 slider jumps
changed
00:34:764 (7) - i said i wasn't gonna be nitpicky but move this note 2px up to make this triple straight
fixed
01:03:471 (1,2) - i'd apply normal hitsound soundset to these two
not so sure about that one
01:46:574 (1,2) - i think these two should be more spaced between them, really thought this was 1/4 at first
spaced it out a bit
[heptagon]
00:05:368 (1,2) - didn't really understand this at first, i'd probably move these down 2px so it's at least clear this is a double and not a slider or something
moved a bit
00:22:005 (4) - stack perfectly with (1)'s sliderend pls i hate saying this but it just triggers me
whoops, should be good now
00:33:816 (1) - NC here seems a bit odd, may just be me though
removed it, probably added by mistake
00:34:678 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - i'd probably space these combos farther away from each other, something like this should work well enough to make it better readable
I feel like this would overemphasize them, and i don't really see the reading issue here? should be pretty obvious that they arent part of the previous stream imo
00:37:954 (2) - 1px right SORRY I'LL STOP
keep em comin' B)
00:39:850 (1) - not sure about this sliderend covering a strong beat, maybe make it a 1/4 slider & a note?
00:42:609 (1) - ^
modtly done to differenciate it from 00:39:505 (4,5) - and the doubles after, and since it still covered(even if by only a sliderend) it should be fine i feel.

also really liked this diff
thanks~
[octagon]

great job on this map, hope to see it ranked soon

thanks a lot

(all updated i think)

rock time

264 posts

Joined January 2015

rock time 2017-08-03T12:58:58+00:00

mod

gn's pentagon

SPOILER

00:15:712 (8,9,10) the way it is now doesnt play too well. Maybe ctrl+g 9 and 10?

00:17:781 (4,5,6) same here

why is 00:25:195 (1,2) farther spaced than 00:25:885 (4,5) ? they are the same sounds

same at 00:30:712 (1,2) etc

00:53:816 (6,7,1) separate them out a little more. all the other 1/4 slider jumps in this section are spaced so these should be too

everything in kiai time and past it is amazing dont change it

for some reason i feel the HP is too high... but maybe thats cuz i cant play at 7am

pc's hexagon

SPOILER

00:45:885 (1,2,4) maybe add whistles on 1 and 4 to highlight the "go" vocals

01:31:402 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) on every other stream before you have NC's every 4 notes, whats different here?

same goes for 01:39:678

sorry for such a short mod, mapset is too good ;-;
plz rank this its so cool

good luck!

-GN

Champion Above Champions

734 posts

Joined June 2011

-GN 2017-08-03T21:24:22+00:00

Manu028 wrote:
[-GN's pentagone]
00:46:403 (3,4) - idk if u noticed but there is a 1/8 sound here (just to point it out)
acceptable simplification imo
01:46:230 (1,2) - I see this double better with a slider like u did here 01:44:850 (1,2,3,4) -
fair enough

walter85 wrote:
[-GN's pentagon]
00:02:436 (4,5,6,7) - I would've mapped that weird sound here but it's a subjective thing
i can't tell which sound you mean, doubles fit the best here anyway i think
00:24:333 (4,5) - Here red and white ticks stand out, I think the correct way is to make (4) a kickslider and make this 00:24:592 (6,7,8,9) - 5 notes instead of 4
nah, i'm following the dominant sounds rather than the main beat here, this one in particular feels nice to play as a "drum fill" sort of thing
00:28:730 (4) - Skipping a sound here, would be good to add a circle stacked on it
once again skipping the main beat
00:34:247 (4) - same
^
01:02:264 (2,3) - A slider shouldn't pass across important sounds
i really don't think the main beat is that important
01:03:126 (8) - Triple here fits good
i believe you
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - This plays very awkward, usually players will expect these to be 1/1 or 1/2 long, unless other types of rhythm have been made clear earlier on the map. Also, there are more important sounds on white ticks rather than red and blue, so you should either make 2 of them 1/1 long or 4 of them 1/4 long, they're both fine
i'll change this later once i reply to other mods
01:42:436 (1,2,3) - Make this 4 notes long so you don't skip the white tick
01:47:868 (1) - Make this circle-1/4 slider, fits better imo
01:49:247 (10,1,2,3,4) - Same thing as before, skipping a beat
denying the rest. i'm STRICTLY following the dominant instrument here, nothing else

doing the rest when i get my proper pc set up again

-PC

135 posts

Joined July 2013

-PC 2017-08-10T20:02:07+00:00

Manu028

Manu028 wrote:
[-PC's hexagone]
01:31:402 (1) - from this part you stop the jumpstreams and do normal streams instead, but tbh i don't see any change in the song, the intensity is litterally the same, to me it would be better to just continue like you did in the first section I've previously explained how I think this pattern would be too repetitive if I continue the jumpstreams in Smoothie World's mod, but let me get into a little bit more detail:

This entire map and song is constructed so that rhythm changes after 8 whole beats. I reflect this in my map accordinly. My first statement is true for everything except the kiai section, which for some reason is 16 beats. This is cool for the song, since it shows a really nice change of pace, switching from the regular 8 beat pattern to a 16 beat pattern. But as a mapper, I want the map itself to be as interesting as possible. Sure, maybe some players would find 16 beats jumpstreams more fun. Maybe someone would enjoy 16 beat streams. The point is, as a mapper, THE MAPPER decides how to construct their map. Sure, it should reflect the music, but doesn't it still reflect it? This is a variation in the map which still flows with the song, and in my opinion it makes the map more interesting. (although this is an old map and I would've considered this more before mapping it back then please don't kill me)

Anyway, I'm leaving the stream part as I want to keep the 8 beat pattern to provide interest. I don't really see the change as an issue.
01:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - okay, this is a cool idea, why is this the only stream with a polygon? if you really want to keep the second section without jumpstreams, it would be cool to see polygon-streams like this (imo) I have to agree. -GN did this in his mapset. Although this never occured to me while mapping, and the square stream was purely due to me just thinking it could be fun to play. I won't remap any of this. (also to not overwrite previous mods and since sebu wants this ranked like now)

Thanks for the mod! I apologize if I seem overly critical about that first point, but I really mean it. (kinda)

Gokateigo

Gokateigo wrote:
00:03:643 (1,2) - this kind of things looks weird Yeah, changed this.
00:36:919 (1,2) - ^ I like this one.
01:29:333 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - why ? there is no reasons to do that this looks cool and stops motion like the previous pattern at 01:23:816 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - . Made the spacing a litt bigger though.

Thanks for the mod!

walter85

walter85 wrote:
[-PC's hexagon]Damn i love this diff Thank you <3
00:11:057 (5) - Maybe curve it a bit more? It looks way better to me I really like this one without a full curve. The rest of the map also has no full curve sliders with multiple points other than s-bend sliders.
00:21:402 (1,2) - Maybe curve them the same amount as 00:20:712 (1,2) - for visual consistency, or vice versa Did this and changed this pattern quite a bit to match intensity and to not be a terrible pattern.
00:47:005 (2) - I don't get why is it here lol, I can't hear anything there Basically mapping to the same sound as I have been doing the entire map, e.g 00:45:540 (4,5,6,7) - . Kinda cheating but I wanted to emphasize on streams.
00:49:161 (4) - Would be nice if you kept it the same way as this 00:47:954 (1,2) - and made it go outward I prefer the norwegian read-ish way :^) I like how they both center towards the blanket I guess, and it's a nice pattern I don't see very often. Plays alright to me.
00:54:505 (3,4) - Same here, I don't like things like these very much, but it's subjective ^
01:24:505 (1) - Center it a bit Fixed.
01:41:747 (1,2,1) - Make these the same distance apart, because it plays like a triple, and having them spaced differently is a bit weird. Basically, just treat (2) as a circle and ignore the slidertail I agree that this could be seen as a triple, but I seriously think the slider makes this one stand out as a circle and some strange appendix to the 1/2 slider. idk, I feel it plays better as is than spacing the 1/2 slider further out.

Thanks for the mod! \:D/

Mismagius

Mismagius wrote:
[hexagon]
00:06:919 (3) - move 1px down for perfect stacking :^) Fixed.
01:08:565 (8) - unsnapped what the hell.

really nice diff, loved this one Thanks!

Thanks for the mod!

fufu-

fufu- wrote:
pc's hexagon
aimod Fixed in previous mod.
00:45:885 (1,2,4) maybe add whistles on 1 and 4 to highlight the "go" vocals Nice, good idea. Added although I'll have to discuss with sebu later (we just copy hitsounds from my diff).

01:31:402 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) on every other stream before you have NC's every 4 notes, whats different here? uh I suppose it's more natural with the way this stream is mapped. Might decide to change the second and third streams later, since it kinda makes more sense.

same goes for 01:39:678 yeah, instead of changing these I might change the others later.

Thanks!

.osu

Natsu

8,074 posts

Joined September 2012

Natsu 2017-08-11T14:12:06+00:00

General

00:16:230 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:747 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:28:988 (4,5,6,7) - this and other places probably need more volume, since the streams gives little feedback (this happens in the other diffs as well I think)

heptagon

00:01:574 (1) - why the NC? the other pairs 00:00:712 (1,2,1,2) - don't have NCs, so I don't see any reason for this one to has NC, either NC all or none
00:05:368 (1,2) - maybe move them 2 or 3 grids down to make them more visible, I asked a few pro players to test and they had problems with this.
00:32:264 (1,2,3,4) - your map looks really nice visually talking, that's why I was wonder about the ugly curve for this stream 00:32:264 (1,2,3,4) - maybe you can improve it
00:35:540 (3) - add NC, so you can keep the pairs 00:35:023 (1,2,1,2) - in single combos.
01:09:850 (3,5) - stack them? idk it triggered me a lot
01:39:850 (3,4,1) - I don't think it flows that nicely, I got feedback from a few players and they said was uncomfortable to play.
01:41:747 (1,1) - you don't need to spam combos like this, specially because the first object is a circle.

-PC's hexagon

00:01:057 (1,2) - this doesn't fit the song rhythm that well, because the slider tail of 1 should be click'able as you did with 00:00:626 (4,2) - , I'd do 2 1/4 sliders or a circle and a 1/4 slider
00:12:781 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - the stream fails to represent the song properly, use something similar at what the top diff do
00:18:471 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - same, mapping every sound don't let you represent the song properly, doing sliders as you did before would bring emphasis to right beats at this section
00:23:643 (3) - mapping the slider tail at such important beat as the stanza don't fit the song, since that beat is the start of the new section section and it needs a click action
00:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - same issue, mapping the full stream kills the emphasis of the strong beats, maybe do something as the top diff do?
00:40:712 (3,4,1) - why the spacing is that different, I get that you want to bring more spacing to 4, but 4 to 1 is super short xd
00:57:609 (1) - the tail of the slider is the start of a new melody and needs to be clic'able, use a 1/4 slider and then circles
01:03:299 (2) - same as above
01:08:816 (1) - unnecessary NC
01:16:230 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - all the streams at this section needs more volume

-GN's pentagon

00:09:161 (3,4) - 00:11:919 (3,4) - a 1/4 slider would fit the music better, 4 being a circle doesn't fit the song and it's weird to click, because the song doesn't provide a clear beat there.
00:12:781 (1,2,3) - add a bit more spacing so they don't overlap (with some custom skins) and 00:13:040 (2,3) - is overlaped with the default skin
00:28:212 (2,3,4) - 00:33:730 (2,3,4) - the drums being ignored is so weird and doesn't really fit the music a lot, atleast map them as slider tails or something.
00:34:505 (5,6) - the sounds at the triplet are super strong that's why the triplet being overlaped with 5 doesn't fit the song.
00:35:885 (5,6) - same as above, I'm poiting this things mainly because you used 1/4 jumps for beats with less emphasis for example 00:38:643 (7,8) -
00:43:212 (2,3,4,5) - vs 00:46:574 (4,5,6,7) - 00:57:609 (4,1) - vs 00:57:954 (3,1) - same, idk I really think that you should check the map again and make the spacing consistent at this things, either space them or overlap them all
00:41:230 (6,7) - a slider would fit better the main melody of the song.
00:59:161 (5) - 01:04:678 (5) - 2 1/4 sliders are better, since with the single repeat slider you're killing the emphasis of the white tick
01:17:781 (2,3) - use a slider instead to bring more emphasis to those sounds and start the stream at 01:17:954 (4) - with the funny vocals
01:19:678 (1,2,3,4) - this should be a full stream to represent the song better, the 1/2 pause doesn't much sense with the song tbh.

tetragon

00:04:850 (3,4) - a slider would fit better the music,tbh clicking 4 after clicking 2 and 3 with other rhythm is super weird
00:41:230 (1,2,3) - 2 1/4 sliders would represent better the music, 2 don't have the same emphasis and rhythm as 1 and 3

trigon

00:42:954 (6,1) - spacing is too short.
01:17:954 (1) - sounds better if you extend it to the next white tick

digon

00:14:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - eh the bigger issue I have with this diff is the 1/2s being overlapped, use more spacing.
00:42:436 (2) - add a repeat to this slider, since the next white tick also belongs to the main melody of the song
00:43:730 (2,3) - realy weird rhythm, it can be confused for low lvl players, since the drums are being ignored and the weird gaps in the time line also don't help
01:01:057 (1,2,1) - too empty rhythm, atleast make them 1/1 sliders
01:06:574 (1,2,3,4) - again the overlaps, they need more spacing
01:21:057 (3,4,1) - they are overlapped because of the stack leniency of 4 and 1
01:23:816 (3,4) - blanket is off

CXu's monogon

AR is too low, use AR 4 , since new players had problems with super low AR like your current one
00:01:747 (1,1) - NCs are too spammy for no reason.
00:02:609 (1) - this slider is ending on a important stanza, it needs to be click'able, because it's the intro of the fast melody
00:08:126 (2) - same
00:16:574 (5,1) - 00:19:333 (5,1) - 00:22:092 (4,1) - I'd ctrl G the rhythm, since the tail of 1 is the start of the melody
00:24:505 (1) - 01:08:643 (1) - remove NC it's too spammy
01:06:574 (1,2,3,1) - the way you overlap all this objects can be confused to play for new players, I'd rearrange them better.
01:17:954 (1,1) - too soon after a spinner, tbh I recommend to delete the spinner and add some big slider there
01:43:126 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1) - add some HS and add more volume, because they don't bring much feedback atm

CXu

osu! Alumni

3,558 posts

Joined March 2009

CXu 2017-08-11T14:35:57+00:00

Natsu wrote:
General

00:16:230 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:747 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:28:988 (4,5,6,7) - this and other places probably need more volume, since the streams gives little feedback (this happens in the other diffs as well I think)
CXu's monogon
AR is too low, use AR 4 , since new players had problems with super low AR like your current one - Sure.
00:01:747 (1,1) - NCs are too spammy for no reason. - 00:02:609 (1) - It's the first 3/2, and it sounds fairly distinct that the NC seems reasonable for me.
00:02:609 (1) - this slider is ending on a important stanza, it needs to be click'able, because it's the intro of the fast melody - I disagree in general that downbeats have to be on clickable beats, and having them on longer slider's sliderends still gives an impact to them (you're holding down until you release for the feedback). It's the same concept as 01:42:092 (2) - , which you didn't really point out.
00:08:126 (2) - same - ^These are also consistent in where they appear in the map.
00:16:574 (5,1) - 00:19:333 (5,1) - 00:22:092 (4,1) - I'd ctrl G the rhythm, since the tail of 1 is the start of the melody - I'm pretty sure the downbeat here is the start of the melody. 00:16:919 - is low pitched, then goes high at 00:17:264 -
00:24:505 (1) - 01:08:643 (1) - remove NC it's too spammy - It's a new pattern and also the introduction of 1/2 in the map.
01:06:574 (1,2,3,1) - the way you overlap all this objects can be confused to play for new players, I'd rearrange them better. - I could make them more spaced to better show where the sliderheads are, but then the spacing would be kinda whack. Or I could make some other shape probably, but I figured I'd ask if you think just increasing the spacing and ignoring distance snap would be good enough here?
01:17:954 (1,1) - too soon after a spinner, tbh I recommend to delete the spinner and add some big slider there - There's a pretty big difference in feel of spinning a spinner (fairly active) and just following a slow sliderbody, and the vocals here are going pretty fast, so changing it to a slider doesn't really fit as well imo. And you get quite a bit of leeway to actually hit the next note, since it's a slider.
01:43:126 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1) - add some HS and add more volume, because they don't bring much feedback atm - Not sure what other HS I could put here, but I'll increase the volume a bit.

Thanks for modding

Tell me if there's something you disagree with in terms of my rationale for things xd.

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Sebu

95 posts

Joined February 2014

Topic Starter

Sebu 2017-08-12T15:54:18+00:00

Natsu wrote:
General

00:16:230 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:747 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:28:988 (4,5,6,7) - this and other places probably need more volume, since the streams gives little feedback (this happens in the other diffs as well I think)
~~gonna take a look at this with -PC later~~ alright, fixed some hitsound volumes
heptagon

00:01:574 (1) - why the NC? the other pairs 00:00:712 (1,2,1,2) - don't have NCs, so I don't see any reason for this one to has NC, either NC all or none
this was changed to have and NC in a previous mod, but I'll revert it(to no NC)
00:05:368 (1,2) - maybe move them 2 or 3 grids down to make them more visible, I asked a few pro players to test and they had problems with this.
this used to be even more stacked, and was changed to be more "visible" in mismagius' mod. after the change I havent seen anyone have problems reading this stack so I'm gonna have to disagree to a change here as i don't think it's an issue. also moving the last 2 circles even more down would ruin the aesthetic in my opinion
00:32:264 (1,2,3,4) - your map looks really nice visually talking, that's why I was wonder about the ugly curve for this stream 00:32:264 (1,2,3,4) - maybe you can improve it
not sure quite what you mean here. I find this very pleasing to look at. only thing i could see working is stacking the two first notes on (3).
00:35:540 (3) - add NC, so you can keep the pairs 00:35:023 (1,2,1,2) - in single combos.
alright
01:09:850 (3,5) - stack them? idk it triggered me a lot
sure, stack it is
01:39:850 (3,4,1) - I don't think it flows that nicely, I got feedback from a few players and they said was uncomfortable to play.
havent really had an issue with this myself, but I made the stack 01:40:023 (1,2,3,4) - less spacing, which should make it easier to just snap to and stay still with the cursor, which in return should make the pattern itself easier to hit. not necessarily less awkward, but easier.
01:41:747 (1,1) - you don't need to spam combos like this, specially because the first object is a circle.
I kind of feel like this NC'ing is necessary to make the player understand that this indeed plays like a triplet. I might be wrong tho
tetragon

00:04:850 (3,4) - a slider would fit better the music,tbh clicking 4 after clicking 2 and 3 with other rhythm is super weird
changed it up a bit
00:41:230 (1,2,3) - 2 1/4 sliders would represent better the music, 2 don't have the same emphasis and rhythm as 1 and 3
changed :>
trigon
00:42:954 (6,1) - spacing is too short.
changed
01:17:954 (1) - sounds better if you extend it to the next white tick
stopped spinner early to give the player more time to adjust their cursor, but I'll extent it cuz you say it
digon
00:14:850 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - eh the bigger issue I have with this diff is the 1/2s being overlapped, use more spacing.
i do very much agree with this. changed where i had to.
00:42:436 (2) - add a repeat to this slider, since the next white tick also belongs to the main melody of the song
did this and fixed spacing for next slider too
00:43:730 (2,3) - realy weird rhythm, it can be confused for low lvl players, since the drums are being ignored and the weird gaps in the time line also don't help
I'm not sure as to what other rhythm i would use then. the distance to the next object should at least make it somewhat readable for a newer player, but if you could give me another example of a rhythm i could use, that would be really helpful
01:01:057 (1,2,1) - too empty rhythm, atleast make them 1/1 sliders
fixed. not sure if the current one is better or not tho
01:06:574 (1,2,3,4) - again the overlaps, they need more spacing
fixed
01:21:057 (3,4,1) - they are overlapped because of the stack leniency of 4 and 1
changed
01:23:816 (3,4) - blanket is off
fixed

-GN

Champion Above Champions

734 posts

Joined June 2011

-GN 2017-08-15T18:15:45+00:00

Mismagius

Mismagius wrote:
[pentagon]
00:59:161 (5,6,7) - because of the spacing i really couldn't predict that (5) had two repeats. i'd try to get (6,7) closer to it so it keeps a relation of continuity
removed the last repeat instead. sounds better to me anyway
01:03:126 (8) - moving (8) to x428 y224 would look nicer imo
fixed

fufu-

fufu- wrote:
gn's pentagon
00:15:712 (8,9,10) the way it is now doesnt play too well. Maybe ctrl+g 9 and 10?
00:17:781 (4,5,6) same here
requiring a bit of aim control can't be that bad

why is 00:25:195 (1,2) farther spaced than 00:25:885 (4,5) ? they are the same sounds
same at 00:30:712 (1,2) etc
fixed, don't know what you mean by etc though

00:53:816 (6,7,1) separate them out a little more. all the other 1/4 slider jumps in this section are spaced so these should be too
i changed the angles of the sliders so they look more spaced but actually arent. matches 00:55:195 (5,6,1) - now though

everything in kiai time and past it is amazing dont change it
cool

for some reason i feel the HP is too high... but maybe thats cuz i cant play at 7am
i seriously doubt it is

Natsu

Natsu wrote:
-GN's pentagon

00:09:161 (3,4) - 00:11:919 (3,4) - a 1/4 slider would fit the music better, 4 being a circle doesn't fit the song and it's weird to click, because the song doesn't provide a clear beat there.
fixed
00:12:781 (1,2,3) - add a bit more spacing so they don't overlap (with some custom skins) and 00:13:040 (2,3) - is overlaped with the default skin
made the spacing consistent(it doesn't overlap on default), but i really don't see the need to increase it further
00:28:212 (2,3,4) - 00:33:730 (2,3,4) - the drums being ignored is so weird and doesn't really fit the music a lot, atleast map them as slider tails or something.
that would just be confusing, i don't want to deviate from the main instrument here
00:34:505 (5,6) - the sounds at the triplet are super strong that's why the triplet being overlaped with 5 doesn't fit the song.
alright moved the triple a bit
00:35:885 (5,6) - same as above, I'm poiting this things mainly because you used 1/4 jumps for beats with less emphasis for example 00:38:643 (7,8) -
this is for playability's sake, i don't want the strong triple here require consistent accuracy because it comes right after a 1/8 slider
00:43:212 (2,3,4,5) - vs 00:46:574 (4,5,6,7) -
these really aren't comparable. first one is part of a pattern i want to be easily playable, the other one is the end drum pattern of a phrase, they're not all meant to be consistent
00:57:609 (4,1) - vs 00:57:954 (3,1) - same, idk I really think that you should check the map again and make the spacing consistent at this things, either space them or overlap them all
i disagree, this example is just for visuals and has no bearing on playability. i think the context(middle of patterns vs ending of patterns) makes these variations acceptable
00:41:230 (6,7) - a slider would fit better the main melody of the song.
true
00:59:161 (5) - 01:04:678 (5) - 2 1/4 sliders are better, since with the single repeat slider you're killing the emphasis of the white tick
i reduced these sliders by one repeat, i disagree with the emphasis as i'm not following the drums primarily anyway
01:17:781 (2,3) - use a slider instead to bring more emphasis to those sounds and start the stream at 01:17:954 (4) - with the funny vocals
done
01:19:678 (1,2,3,4) - this should be a full stream to represent the song better, the 1/2 pause doesn't much sense with the song tbh.
what? this follows the vocals. i added a 1/4 slider here after the triple, but it might be a bit precise for a 5*

thx for mods

sebu

-PC

135 posts

Joined July 2013

-PC 2017-08-29T19:04:45+00:00

Natsu wrote:
-PC's hexagon
00:01:057 (1,2) - this doesn't fit the song rhythm that well, because the slider tail of 1 should be click'able as you did with 00:00:626 (4,2) - , I'd do 2 1/4 sliders or a circle and a 1/4 slider While yes, it seems the sliderend should be clickable, I don't highlight the same sound here (consider the slider following at 00:01:402 (1) - , 00:01:919 (2) - ). I feel the current pattern fits the song better since this sound fades away during the intro segment.
00:12:781 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - the stream fails to represent the song properly, use something similar at what the top diff do I completely disagree. The entire previous segment utilized spacing and movement for the intensity. This pattern provides the map version of change in intensity. Spacing is reduced a lot, the streams are mapped to the background arpeggio. At the next sound, 00:13:040 (1) - , spacing is again increased, with a square stream. To me this is without a doubt functional for this part of the map. Intensity != spacing
00:18:471 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - same, mapping every sound don't let you represent the song properly, doing sliders as you did before would bring emphasis to right beats at this section Agree with this one.
00:23:643 (3) - mapping the slider tail at such important beat as the stanza don't fit the song, since that beat is the start of the new section section and it needs a click action I get that you mean this is the start of a new beat, but that doesn't mean it needs to be clickable. Note how the sliderhead of 00:23:643 (3) - is a kick in the song? the slidertail is not. I feel the kick weighs way more than the definition of a starting beat, and in this case, I see zero issue not mapping a click to the sliderend. This pattern also flows really nicely into the next one imo.
00:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - same issue, mapping the full stream kills the emphasis of the strong beats, maybe do something as the top diff do? I really don't feel this one is very intense, and as such, the low spaced stream is enough to justify the "intensity" difference. Low spacing also builds up to the stream directly after it, which in contrast uses higher spacing to emphasise intensity.
00:40:712 (3,4,1) - why the spacing is that different, I get that you want to bring more spacing to 4, but 4 to 1 is super short xd Yeah, moved this one closer and with less difference in spacing.
00:57:609 (1) - the tail of the slider is the start of a new melody and needs to be clic'able, use a 1/4 slider and then circles Sure.
01:03:299 (2) - same as above Alright.
01:08:816 (1) - unnecessary NC Fixed.
01:16:230 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - all the streams at this section needs more volume Sebu should have fixed this.

Thanks for the mod!

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Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-09-02T21:50:44+00:00

[General :]

00:00:368 - Remove this greenline of diff you don't change SV with. And if you use SV change put same volume on both timing and inherited point.

[CXu's monogon :]

00:01:057 (2,1) - Overlap and proximity could be a bit messy for a newbie, would move it at 120:148.
00:02:609 (1) - Make it start at 00:02:436 - . The sound on it is maybe weaker than 00:02:609 - but still player will expect to play it and also avoid a polarity issues by not respecting the 1/1 gap. Also end it on 00:02:781 - and make 00:03:126 - playable would be nice since it's such a strong beat.
00:29:333 (3,1) - The small overlap triggers me.
01:32:781 (3,4,5,1,2) - High density patterns should be avoided, they're just a pain to be read easiely. Simplify structure a bit to make it more readable.
01:37:609 (2,4) - Other overlap z.
01:51:402 (1) - Tbh this NC alone make no sense with rest of your pattern.

[digon :]

00:23:816 (3) - NC is not necessary if you want to keep like how you did them before.

[trigon :]

00:57:609 (2,3) - I would avoid the stack to make sure arrow is readable. Right now it's too hidden behind the circle.
01:04:333 (2,3,4) - Use simple stack pls, that's not an Insane and could be a bit disturbing.
01:07:781 (1,1) - Spacing is too low and don't give the good visual rhythm from it. Also once again, reverse arrow is not much visible with 01:08:385 (6,7) - .
01:31:402 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This kind of pattern is a big no. Clearly a pattern you would see more on an Insane or above, but the reading is not the best and playability too edgy for that diff. Also nothing on the song call for 01:31:402 (1,2) - being stacked. Simple stack or small burst like https://puu.sh/xpYvO/44cc236e40.png would definitly be better.

[tetragon :]

00:57:781 (3,4,5) - Unstack them, the 1st of them is really hard to catch correctly due to it and lead to a easy unwanted break. Just space them a bit is enough.
00:35:540 (2) - / 01:08:471 (7) - / 01:18:988 (1,2) - / 01:52:954 (3) - and more if I forgot some -> Buzz sliders should have appropriate delay before the next note. 1/8 and 1/16 sliders should be followed by a 1/4 gap, whereas 1/12 sliders should be followed by a 1/6 gap. This ensures that the hit-window between hit objects is playable.

[-GN's pentagon :]

00:43:471 (3,4,5) - I would expect them straight after the slider and not a bit on the side of it to make like between 00:42:954 (1,2) - https://puu.sh/xpZmV/9fa948f7ee.png .
00:46:403 (3,4) - Could they have the same shape than 00:45:884 (1,2) - ? Would be more clean visually https://puu.sh/xpZp4/057a191eda.png .
01:03:816 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Why spacing between both is so different ? 01:03:816 (1,2,3) - and 01:04:505 (3,4,5) - sounds the same but are done differently and make it weird. Would rather use a coherent one who respect same song part or a consistent spacing for both.
01:18:988 (1,2,3) - / 01:52:954 (2) - Buzz sliders should have appropriate delay before the next note. 1/8 and 1/16 sliders should be followed by a 1/4 gap, whereas 1/12 sliders should be followed by a 1/6 gap. This ensures that the hit-window between hit objects is playable.

[-PC's hexagon :]

First, I agree with Natsu about stuff like 00:12:781 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - / 00:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - / etc who don't provide a correct feedback of what the song offer. Ignoring these strong sounds for background one is confusing and sounds a bit off, and make your diff more flat since you're using too often these kind of structure.
Second, on kiai I don't see the point of doing jump streams on 1st half if you just don't on the 2nd half. I would rather do all of them without and just play with spacing like you did from 01:31:402 - . There's no major differences to make a such change.

[heptagon :]

00:01:919 (1,2,3) - I would stack them to create a similar effect like 00:02:436 (1,2,3) - who share the same kind of sound, also represent more the rhythm you used here -> https://puu.sh/xq0Nk/a3f88d0ea3.png .
00:05:195 (1,2,1,2) - If I believe what you answered to Natsu, then why spacing is different from stuff like 00:10:712 (1,2,3,4) - who share exactly the same rhythm and music ? They should yes.
00:32:264 (1,2,3,4) - Natsu means the curve could be a bit better, the angle you did with 00:32:436 (3,4) - is a bit broken and could be more smooth.
01:31:057 (1,2,3) - Imo that's a bit overkill for a 1/4. The back and forth create a non intuitive pattern to follow unlike stuff like 01:42:092 (1,2,3) - .

Mukyu~

CXu

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CXu 2017-09-02T22:04:02+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
[notice][General :]
00:00:368 - Remove this greenline of diff you don't change SV with. And if you use SV change put same volume on both timing and inherited point. -
Removed.

[CXu's monogon :]
00:01:057 (2,1) - Overlap and proximity could be a bit messy for a newbie, would move it at 120:148. - Eh, the new combo and general order of fade in should be decent enough indicators even for a new player imo. While it is the easiest difficulty, it's also not exactly mapped for a complete beginner.
00:02:609 (1) - Make it start at 00:02:436 - . The sound on it is maybe weaker than 00:02:609 - but still player will expect to play it and also avoid a polarity issues by not respecting the 1/1 gap. Also end it on 00:02:781 - and make 00:03:126 - playable would be nice since it's such a strong beat. - You can actually hit the sliderhead at a 1/1 timing and not sliderbreak due to the low OD here, so I don't see it as much of a problem. The map also features polarity changes (albeit not a lot) later on, so introducing it early seems like a good idea to me. As for the stronger beat at the sliderend, it might just be my opinion on it, but combinations of hitsounds and length of sliders can still make a sliderend (and then the release of a note) feel more important than the head. Maybe it's a bit more old school interpretation as it definitely was more common to do it back in the days compared to now, but yeah, I personally never had a problem with it.
00:29:333 (3,1) - The small overlap triggers me. - lmao fixed.
01:32:781 (3,4,5,1,2) - High density patterns should be avoided, they're just a pain to be read easiely. Simplify structure a bit to make it more readable.
- If you mean rhythmically dense, then I think it's simple enough and I also repeat the same rhythm several times through the kiai. If you mean just the way things overlap/stack, then I can fix that. Tell me if that's what you meant.
01:37:609 (2,4) - Other overlap z. - Can't really avoid it due to spacing, and spacing this part different would look out of place compared to the other patterns.
01:51:402 (1) - Tbh this NC alone make no sense with rest of your pattern. - Eh it's just for aesthetic reasons to not make a pentagon have 6 notes in it,
and it's also isolated from the previous patterns by being in the middle.

Thanks for modding!

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Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-09-02T22:38:53+00:00

@CXu

01:32:781 (3,4,5,1,2) - Was talking about the pattern, not the rhythm :>
Also about 00:02:609 (1) - low OD is not really the point to know if it's k or not, also imo it makes more sense because it would cover all the sound of that small section and not ignoring the one at 00:02:436 - . A really newbie will also expect a 1/1 because it's more a simple rhythm to catch on that point of the song (it's a quite calm section after all).

CXu

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CXu 2017-09-03T09:11:46+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
@CXu
01:32:781 (3,4,5,1,2) - Was talking about the pattern, not the rhythm :> - Alright, rearranged the pattern, hopefully better now!
Also about 00:02:609 (1) - low OD is not really the point to know if it's k or not, also imo it makes more sense because it would cover all the sound of that small section and not ignoring the one at 00:02:436 - . A really newbie will also expect a 1/1 because it's more a simple rhythm to catch on that point of the song (it's a quite calm section after all). - My point with the OD is that even if a new player does misread the section, it's not a mistake that will be punished in any special way, but it will give information as to how these rhythms work later in the map. I also think the sound I follow on the sliderhead is much more important than the fairly inaudible (comparatively) sound on the white tick.

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Nozhomi wrote:
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First, I agree with Natsu about stuff like 00:12:781 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - / 00:34:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - / etc who don't provide a correct feedback of what the song offer. Ignoring these strong sounds for background one is confusing and sounds a bit off, and make your diff more flat since you're using too often these kind of structure. I expressed my thoughts on these in detail in my response to Natsu's mod. I don't want to follow your higher spacing == intensity rules and personally feel the LOW spacing is what matches the intensity on this part. It throws the players off, which is the point. That's what makes it interesting to play. And at the same time, it fits the intensity with its bizarrely low spaced linear stream, followed by a bigger square stream.

As for the etc bit: unless you specifically note what you mean here, I can't change anything.
Second, on kiai I don't see the point of doing jump streams on 1st half if you just don't on the 2nd half. I would rather do all of them without and just play with spacing like you did from 01:31:402 - . There's no major differences to make a such change. I've explained this in detail at Manu028's mod. Not going to do this differently.

Thanks for the mod!

.osu (fixed hitsounds at 00:18:299 (1,2,3,4) - )

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