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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
Current Priority: +1,061
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Minsoo
17 posts
Joined November 2011
Minsoo
The problem with "clipping" things -- or in general making it so that if the formula hits a specific barrier it does something instead... is that then the formula doesn't work for all situations. Also again, if a team decides to all put on no fail and get 0s, ln(0) = -infinity



You can't have a "if there is a big gap, use this formula, else use this formula".

This puts processing power to waste and also just mathematically does not look good.

You're also scaling it a bit weirdly, instead why not scale things with accuracy as well? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "diff" (difficulty? -> because difficulty * accuracy doesn't make much sense...)

Something that would make a bit more sense with your formula would be

teamA = starDifficulty * Math.log1p(Math.e + 100*acc) * Math.log1p(Math.e + avgA)

and then you scale their points based off of teamA / total, and whatnot.
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Minsoo wrote:

The problem with "clipping" things -- or in general making it so that if the formula hits a specific barrier it does something instead... is that then the formula doesn't work for all situations. Also again, if a team decides to all put on no fail and get 0s, ln(0) = -infinity
The clipping is supposed to fix the -infinity by not allowing the ratio to be less than or equal to 0.01. I am not sure what you mean when yousay it doesn't work for all situations.

Minsoo wrote:

You can't have a "if there is a big gap, use this formula, else use this formula".
This puts processing power to waste and also just mathematically does not look good.
That was my solution to what the OP wanted. OP wanted both, so I made it to have both. While I like the big gap formula better, I think the unpredictability factor in the small gap formula is not bad either.

Minsoo wrote:

You're also scaling it a bit weirdly, instead why not scale things with accuracy as well? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "diff" (difficulty? -> because difficulty * accuracy doesn't make much sense...) and then you scale their points based off of teamA / total, and whatnot.
I don't use accuracy because it is the score part that is supposed to be equivalent to the measurement of the cumulative performance up to a point in time on a map. Also score is already influenced by accuracy, albeit much less than combo.
Minsoo
17 posts
Joined November 2011
Minsoo
Either way, log(ratio) of whatever wouldn't be very good to use as a scaling factor because it varies easily and dramatically. Especially when it behaves near log(1).
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Minsoo wrote:

Either way, log(ratio) of whatever wouldn't be very good to use as a scaling factor because it varies easily and dramatically. Especially when it behaves near log(1).
It is because of how it behaves I am using it. The reciprocal of a value (the ratio) would result in the negative equivalent result. Using this, it is possible to reward the winning team N number of points and the loosing team -N number of points logarithmically.
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

abraker wrote:

That was my solution to what the OP wanted. OP wanted both, so I made it to have both. While I like the big gap formula better, I think the unpredictability factor in the small gap formula is not bad either.
Yeah, both isn't a good idea?

abraker wrote:

Minsoo wrote:

You're also scaling it a bit weirdly, instead why not scale things with accuracy as well? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "diff" (difficulty? -> because difficulty * accuracy doesn't make much sense...) and then you scale their points based off of teamA / total, and whatnot.
I don't use accuracy because it is the score part that is supposed to be equivalent to the measurement of the cumulative performance up to a point in time on a map. Also score is already influenced by accuracy, albeit much less than combo.
Score v2 can be an idea, but idk if it's good for the formulas ^^'
Illya X Ram Li
Illya X Ram Li
I'm agree :d
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival
Thanks you...
But if u guys have any idea or correction please say! :p
EnDy_S
15 posts
Joined May 2013
EnDy_S
Still waiting for this one :( Any news?
Frozen_Rhythm
52 posts
Joined April 2016
Frozen_Rhythm
Obviously everyone loves it.
This feature needs a lot of work.
We will wait for your kind response peppy!
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

EnDy_S wrote:

Still waiting for this one :( Any news?
I'm waiting too :(
No news for the moment...

Frozen_Rhythm wrote:

Obviously everyone loves it.
This feature needs a lot of work.
We will wait for your kind response peppy!
Thanks :p
I wait for peppy too, why not contacting me? x')
-n1Ka
4 posts
Joined August 2016
-n1Ka
I Agree.
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

-n1Ka wrote:

I Agree.
Thanks !
Maybe for +1000 priority one of the dev will see it? D:
AUS-teisciitb
13 posts
Joined September 2015
AUS-teisciitb
Awesome idea! Have a star!
Luqanted
815 posts
Joined November 2013
Luqanted
im waiting
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

Luqanted wrote:

im waiting
I'M WAITING TOO AAAAAAAAAAAH

AUS-teisciitb wrote:

Awesome idea! Have a star!
Thanks !
iloveyou4ever
825 posts
Joined September 2014
iloveyou4ever
would give a star if I have vote...Very awesome idea :)
Combistein
126 posts
Joined April 2014
Combistein
I imagined a complementary add on your idea, which would be a "team ranking": you can get rank for your team while beating others team, and your team could get some match points if she win. So the team ranking would not use pp= performance points, but would use mp= match points :D
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

Combistein wrote:

I imagined a complementary add on your idea, which would be a "team ranking": you can get rank for your team while beating others team, and your team could get some match points if she win. So the team ranking would not use pp= performance points, but would use mp= match points :D
That's already it... The ranking for the teams is based from Team Points

iloveyou4ever wrote:

would give a star if I have vote...Very awesome idea :)
Ahah thanks you!

1000 PRIORITY ACHIEVED, WAOW!
abraker
Global Moderator
8,295 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker
Wow 1000 <3
Arrcival
27 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Arrcival

abraker wrote:

Wow 1000 <3
Yeah, and thanks you again for the help!
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