15:36 Dubu: hi~
15:36 ViolentBoo: Hero
15:36 ViolentBoo: are you the good sir that i asked help on le map?
15:36 ViolentBoo: I have a memery span of a spoon
15:36 Dubu: Meme'ry
15:37 Dubu: good one
15:37 ViolentBoo: lmao
15:37 ViolentBoo: WHats u
15:37 ViolentBoo: p
15:37 Dubu: how did you find this "good sir"?
15:38 ViolentBoo: Went on other pending maps that were good and you were there helping out so i'm liek mmmk let me ask this fun bun
15:38 Dubu: alright lets take a look
15:39 ViolentBoo: Holy crap somone is working on Vertex^3 wtf
15:40 Dubu: could use lower DS for streams, x0.6 to 0.8 usually looks nice and is more comfortable to play, unless the beats for the streams are really powerful kicks or something
15:40 ViolentBoo: Hangon let me get notemad xd
15:40 *Dubu is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/922870 Himbo & MC Enemy - Everywhere I Turn (Orbit1 Remix) [Insane]]
15:42 Dubu: 00:09:656 (1,3,4,5,6,7) - try maybe stack these OR move the stream to the right so the first slider end looks like part of the pattern http://puu.sh/nzUoS.jpg
15:42 Dubu: when you try decide on where to place a note, try to always find some sort of reason for your placement
15:43 Dubu: 00:11:027 - there's a missing beat here :c try not to ignore beats like these, especially in Insane diffs
15:44 Dubu: 00:12:570 (1,2) -  fix this blanket http://puu.sh/nzUwk.jpg
15:44 Dubu: try disable grid-snap, it's actually one of the main reasons people have bad-looking blankets x.x
15:45 Dubu: 00:14:456 (3,1) -  fix this blanket~ http://puu.sh/nzUA5.jpg
15:46 Dubu: 00:15:313 (2,3) -  doubles are more comfortable to play when they're grouped, so try lower the DS, for your map i suggest x0.7 for all 1/4 streams
15:46 ViolentBoo: Quick question
15:46 ViolentBoo: what do you mean by blanket
15:46 ViolentBoo: Don't know some of the terms
15:47 Dubu: blanketting is when you take one object (lets call it Object A) and wrap it around another object (Object B), the wrapping of objects creates a tidy pattern
15:48 Dubu: look at those screenshots~ you'll notice what i mean
15:48 Dubu: blankets are usually sliders wrapping single circles, but sometimes you can have a stream blanketing a circle
15:48 ViolentBoo: o ok!
15:51 Dubu: just look at how it looks
15:51 Dubu: http://puu.sh/nzUTr.jpg
15:51 Dubu: there are two blankets there, one made out of a stream, the one one made out of a slider
15:51 ViolentBoo: :o
15:51 ViolentBoo: I'm learndening
15:52 ViolentBoo: Will do that
15:52 Dubu: 00:22:341 (1,2) - so fix this blanket as well~
15:52 Dubu: 00:27:484 -  try not to skip beats like these TT
15:53 Dubu: 00:27:827 (2,3) -  this is good but needs to be polished a little bit, the curve of the slider isnt perfectly blanketting that circle
15:53 ViolentBoo: Between 4, 1 or 2,3
15:54 Dubu: oh
15:54 Dubu: both, but the one on the big white line is a bit more important due to the player actually predicting there'll be a beat
15:54 Dubu: cuz a new rhythmic pattern is starting
15:54 Dubu: big white lines = usually very important x.x
15:55 Dubu: here try this
15:55 ViolentBoo: Understood
15:56 Dubu: 00:27:484 (5) -  place a circle here on x:4:15, y:285 (due to it being a strong beat its okay to make it a jump
15:56 Dubu: )
15:56 Dubu: 00:27:827 (2) -  make this a slider
15:57 Dubu: face it like this http://puu.sh/nzVcp.jpg
15:58 Dubu: i see that you're mapping the lyrics, which is good~ but when mapping Insanes its important to stress out the rhythm as much as possible, so imo you can map the lyrics while still mapping other beats
15:58 Dubu: its up to the mapper to choose which rhythm is the dominant one
15:58 Dubu: the rest can be filled~ as long as the rhythm exists its alright
15:59 ViolentBoo: Alright,
16:00 ViolentBoo: so adding more is necessarily a bad thing as long as its appropriate?
16:00 ViolentBoo: As in its stil hits beats
16:01 Dubu: is or isnt?
16:01 ViolentBoo: Isn't
16:01 ViolentBoo: sry I'm my bad
16:01 ViolentBoo: my bad*
16:01 Dubu: ohh yeah it's actually encouraged
16:01 ViolentBoo: god damn its late xd
16:01 Dubu: it's what makes the maps fun
16:01 Dubu: for the player
16:01 ViolentBoo: ok!
16:01 Dubu: and you're maximising the song's potential in Editor
16:02 Dubu: 00:35:370 (6) -  here you have two interesting choices to improve it~ you can either stack it on top of 00:35:027 (5) -  like this http://puu.sh/nzVml.jpg while making it blanket #4 circle
16:02 Dubu: OR~
16:02 Dubu: make 00:35:027 (5) - a slider and form it like this http://puu.sh/nzVtl.jpg
16:04 Dubu: 00:36:227 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -  this is cool how you increase the spacing, good idea, but the way you executed it is hmm, up to you but i'd do it differently xD make something like this http://puu.sh/nzVyu.jpg
16:04 ViolentBoo: I did the second one
16:05 ViolentBoo: I never understood how to do hopping, but yeah I'll figure out how to do it
16:05 ViolentBoo: or well do taht
16:05 Dubu: http://puu.sh/nzVBf.jpg it's not as consistant with distance-wise
16:05 Dubu: but if you compare the distances between circles
16:05 Dubu: 1 - 2 is smallest
16:05 Dubu: 2 - 3 is bigger
16:05 Dubu: then 4- 5 -6 is maximised
16:06 Dubu: well
16:06 Dubu: theoretically
16:06 Dubu: i didnt do it perfectly xD
16:06 Dubu: but you get the idea~
16:06 ViolentBoo: Yeah i get it xdd
16:07 Dubu: 00:46:513 (8) -  try move this away from that triplet x~x makes it hard to read
16:08 Dubu: 00:50:798 (1) -  make it into something that forms a pttern of some sorts, wether it's a blanket or a symmetrical shape
16:08 Dubu: remember triangles~ squares~ etc.
16:08 Dubu: geometric reasonic is very important in mapping, it's the most powerful tool that makes our eyes look perceive maps pleasantly
16:09 Dubu: 01:05:541 (9) -  good slowdown :3
16:09 Dubu: yeah try make streams x0.7 pls TT
16:10 Dubu: 01:33:741 (2,3) -  fix blanket~ and the next one too
16:10 ViolentBoo: Yeah first Thing i'll do when i get home
16:11 ViolentBoo: Also question, I've seen some maps that have certain lets say 20 second sections being replayed later on in the song that sounds exactly the smae, it works but is it frowned apoun or no?
16:12 Dubu: repeating the same rhythm isnt frowned upon, maybe by some mappers it is but in general it's proper consistency
16:12 Dubu: however copy-pasting the same part without adjusting the patterns/spacing is kind of sad
16:13 ViolentBoo: Yeah I did that but rotatedthe whoel thing
16:13 Dubu: something i do when im lazy but i dont really care because im focused on the gameplay
16:13 Dubu: yeah don't do that for ranked
16:13 Dubu: do it for graveyard~ like me
16:13 ViolentBoo: ok I'll fix that
16:13 Dubu: but if you're trying to rank, you should put effort and careful thoughts on how you'll organize each part of the map
16:14 Dubu: keep in mind 3 things
16:15 Dubu: first thing is Emphasis, stronger beats deserve a powerful slider or a bigger jump, don't end sliders on those strong beats, imagine the player tapping to rhythm, we only tap circles and slider starts, we never tap the end of slider, so you shouldnt end a slider on a strong beat that rhytmitically we should tap
16:16 Dubu: second thing is Flow, try imagine where your cursor is being taken with the current pattern, and find the most comfortable angle for the next note, try value the momentum the player builds up with his/her cursor, don't make them covert horizontal momentum into vertical, like 90 degree square jumps are evil and uncomfortable to play
16:17 Dubu: and third thing (least important one, but required for a good map) is Structure, make sure the note you're placing has some sort of aesthetic value, wether its forming a new pattern or joining an old pattern, as long as it has a REASON for it's x and y, it's reasonably structured
16:18 Dubu: so every note you place should go trough those 3 stages
16:19 ViolentBoo: Jeaus, I thought just throwing notes on a map with a path to follow and thats all you needed. ALright, I'll keep all of that in mind when mapping and fixing this.
16:19 ViolentBoo: I'll take everything a lot slower
16:20 Dubu: yeah man at the start it looks like a simple task to place circles to the beat, but there's so much more to it when you start learning more xD
16:21 Dubu: well good luck~ and don't feel demotivated or anything, it took me 3 years and I'm still learning
16:21 ViolentBoo: Don't worry. I liek getting projects done
16:21 Dubu: just keep practicing, invest hours into this hobby, but only do it if you truly enjoy it
16:21 ViolentBoo: Welp thanks bro!
16:22 ViolentBoo: For all the help
16:22 Dubu: remember it's just a game~ even the editor is there for fun!
16:22 ViolentBoo: mhm!
16:22 ViolentBoo: I'll put you in the descriptiuon if this ever gets rnaked somehow
16:22 ViolentBoo: or seomthing
16:22 ViolentBoo: xd
16:22 ViolentBoo: Thanks again
16:23 ViolentBoo: I have to go sleep
16:23 Dubu: goodnight! i'll post the log on the forum
16:23 ViolentBoo: Class -~-