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Black Coast - TRNDSTTR feat. M. Maggie (Lucian ...

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Spayyce
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Spayyce
I'll get to it sometime later, but I can't stress that you should message me or send a mail when you're asking for a m4m. I don't like feeling pressured or indebted to giving a mod without prior knowledge. That being said thanks a lot for your mod ^^

Edit: Sorry it's 1am and I thought I was editing this message RIP double post
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Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

Hi~M4M

map to mod : t/431074

eue i never heard a trap like this ~ the drop simply mindfucked me without a condom

Collab Insane :
  1. Unsnapped obj ~ check Aimod + timing points conflict with other diffs Unsnapped are because of 1/8, [/color]
  2. 00:28:975 - maybe decrease the volume here? i dont hear any 1/2 beats in the song The timing point you linked is a 1/1?
  3. 01:07:744 (1) - move it to right a bit , maybe to x:387
  4. 02:03:688 (2,1) - maybe ~ just maybe ~ ctrl+g?
  5. 02:23:150 (7) - add reverse to this and add circle at 02:23:842 - ? At the moment I feel the lyrics coupled with the music are powerful enough to warrent two seperate sliders.
  6. 02:28:025 - unused timing point stacked it with the offset change ty
  7. 02:32:880 - 02:33:111 - 02:34:726 - 02:34:957 - ^ mfw literally blind XD
  8. 02:51:226 (2) - move to 441,90 for more perfection
  9. 02:55:495 (3,1) - now thats a pretty rip blanket right there #blameirre <3
Hard :
  1. Unsnapped objects again ^ 1/8
  2. 00:26:206 (1,2) - fix blanket moved the end a touch
  3. 01:17:898 (1) - move one grid down to y:185 it lines up fine for me (I think that's what you're going for , needed elaboration)
  4. 01:28:052 (3) - move to 447,170 Fixed blanket but didn't go to 170
  5. 02:46:496 (1) - why just a simple slider here? ;w; beauty in its simplicity <3
Easy :
  1. Check Ai-mod ~ unsnapped slider there missed it thanks :D
Nice map!~ <3 Thanks~~

Good Luck!~
Phos-
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osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 52052
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.2
BeatDivisor: 2
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:TRNDSTTR (Lucian Remix)
TitleUnicode:TRNDSTTR (Lucian Remix)
Artist:Black Coast
ArtistUnicode:Black Coast
Creator:-Space-
Version:Faded's Normal
Source:
Tags:trap dnb bass -Faded- Irreversible
BeatmapID:913611
BeatmapSetID:419879

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3
OverallDifficulty:4.5
ApproachRate:4
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Izzywing
osu! Alumni
2,248 posts
Joined March 2016
Izzywing
Mod from my queue!

Hadn't heard this song before but after listening to it I LOVE the drop. so gooodddd ahh

[Easy]

00:55:744 (1,1) - I don't think you can have objects this soon after a spinner in an Easy.

Hm, that's about it. Neat sliders.

[Faded's Normal]

00:27:360 (3,1) - Adjust 3 for better blanket
02:38:650 (4,1) - Fix blanket

Good map, also very solid. Nothing else to say, really.

[Hard]

01:29:650 (2) and 01:30:804 (1) i'd consider stacking
02:30:573 (3,1) - consider stacking

Again; amazing sliders. Love this map.

[Collab Thingy]

00:15:821 (2) - I'd make it so the spacing between this, 00:16:744 (4) and 00:16:860 (5) is the same
01:19:975 - this has a sound that is worth mapping I think
01:20:090 (2,3,4) - There's something about these 3 notes that just sounds really wrong to me. Slow it and down and listen you'll see what I mean. Not sure the fix tho :/
01:28:958 (1,3) - stack?

Some parts of this difficulties felt a bit overmapped, but honestly that seems kinda necessary for an insane since the song itself isn't that fast paced so I think it's fine.

Bleh, dinky mod. Sorry about that :\

Good luck! Great song.
Last edited by Izzywing , edited 1 time in total.
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce
Thanks for the mod ^^

Will edit post to reply to your mod :D
Phos-
773 posts
Joined December 2012
Phos-
Applied both of Hobbes' suggestions.

code
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 52052
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.2
BeatDivisor: 2
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:TRNDSTTR (Lucian Remix)
TitleUnicode:TRNDSTTR (Lucian Remix)
Artist:Black Coast
ArtistUnicode:Black Coast
Creator:-Space-
Version:Faded's Normal
Source:
Tags:trap dnb bass -Faded- Irreversible
BeatmapID:913611
BeatmapSetID:419879

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3
OverallDifficulty:4.5
ApproachRate:4
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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452,256,110650,1,0,3:0:0:0:
384,304,110881,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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160,64,112496,1,0,3:0:0:0:
186,139,112727,1,0,3:0:0:0:
272,136,112958,6,0,P|336:157|368:218,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,304,113650,2,0,P|328:332|320:256,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,218,114342,1,0,0:0:0:0:
450,254,114573,1,0,0:0:0:0:
496,184,114804,6,0,L|484:36,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
404,20,115496,2,0,P|360:8|272:40,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,116,116188,1,0,3:0:0:0:
264,196,116419,1,0,3:0:0:0:
248,280,116650,6,0,P|204:292|116:260,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
100,180,117342,1,0,0:0:0:0:
140,108,117573,2,0,P|184:96|272:128,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,240,118496,6,0,P|444:176|432:112,2,140,2|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
308,244,119650,1,2,0:0:0:0:
244,300,119881,2,0,L|144:296,1,70,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
136,224,120342,6,0,L|66:221,1,70,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
28,144,120804,1,2,0:0:0:0:
104,108,121034,1,0,0:0:0:0:
184,132,121265,2,0,P|272:156|320:136,1,140,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
444,32,122188,1,2,0:0:0:0:
444,32,123573,6,0,L|452:176,1,140,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
428,252,124265,2,0,P|364:244|300:292,2,140,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
472,324,125419,1,0,3:0:0:0:
304,284,125881,6,0,P|264:281|224:296,3,70,2|2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
164,336,126804,2,0,P|192:280|160:200,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,156,127496,1,0,0:0:0:0:
180,120,127727,6,0,P|224:116|264:144,3,70,2|2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
312,180,128650,1,0,3:0:0:0:
376,236,128881,1,0,3:0:0:0:
460,220,129111,1,0,3:0:0:0:
480,140,129342,1,0,3:0:0:0:
320,100,133228,6,0,P|312:156|328:208,2,105,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,84,134150,2,0,P|228:152|252:248,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,280,134842,1,0,0:0:0:0:
220,304,135073,6,0,L|136:308,3,70,2|2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
92,244,135996,2,0,L|80:84,1,140,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
164,84,136688,2,0,B|224:84|224:84|248:96|248:96|312:92,1,140
32,280,140611,6,0,P|28:320|39:349,3,70,2|2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,308,141534,2,0,P|168:292|256:316,1,140,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,348,142227,1,0,0:0:0:0:
364,276,142458,2,0,P|374:242|370:208,3,70,2|2|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
328,136,143381,1,2,0:0:0:0:
244,144,143612,1,0,0:0:0:0:
168,108,143843,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,192,144304,12,4,147073,3:0:0:0:
256,192,148034,5,8,3:0:0:0:
256,192,149881,5,4,3:0:0:0:
328,152,150111,1,0,0:0:0:0:
372,224,150342,2,0,L|368:368,1,140,4|4,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
452,348,151034,1,0,0:0:0:0:
456,264,151265,2,0,L|460:164,1,70,8|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
436,112,151727,6,0,P|376:88|272:176,1,210,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,252,152650,1,8,0:0:0:0:
24,48,153573,6,0,P|-4:112|108:152,1,210,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,216,154496,2,0,P|92:252|24:248,1,140,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
184,320,155419,6,0,P|256:304|336:332,1,140,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
388,368,156111,1,0,0:0:0:0:
396,284,156342,2,0,L|404:144,2,140,8|0|4,0:0|0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
318,321,157496,5,0,0:0:0:0:
248,276,157727,2,0,L|256:136,1,140,4|4,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
184,92,158419,1,0,0:0:0:0:
112,132,158650,2,0,P|100:180|112:212,1,70,8|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,268,159111,6,0,P|100:284|25:158,1,210,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
40,96,160034,2,0,L|200:92,1,140,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,180,160958,6,0,L|463:176,2,140,2|2|8,3:0|3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
188,280,162342,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,180,162804,2,0,L|48:100,1,70,2|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,48,163265,2,0,P|148:28|248:44,1,140,2|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
444,304,164650,6,0,L|448:220,1,70,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
388,172,165111,2,0,P|328:144|252:172,1,140,4|4,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
200,220,165804,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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20,228,166496,6,0,P|-12:176|88:60,1,210,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,48,167419,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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96,280,171111,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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172,340,173188,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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148,136,173881,6,0,P|204:148|280:108,1,140,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
316,40,174573,1,0,0:0:0:0:
368,108,174804,2,0,L|364:212,2,105,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,132,175727,2,0,L|444:276,1,140,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
276,292,176650,1,8,0:0:0:0:
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce

Hobbes2 wrote:

Mod from my queue!

Hadn't heard this song before but after listening to it I LOVE the drop. so gooodddd ahh

[Easy]

00:55:744 (1,1) - I don't think you can have objects this soon after a spinner in an Easy. Nah it's fine.

Hm, that's about it. Neat sliders. ^^

[Hard]

01:29:650 (2) and 01:30:804 (1) i'd consider stacking alright then, changed
02:30:573 (3,1) - consider stacking ^

Again; amazing sliders. Love this map. Thanks :D

[Collab Thingy]

00:15:821 (2) - I'd make it so the spacing between this, 00:16:744 (4) and 00:16:860 (5) is the same make the stream have a 1/1 distance snap? nty
01:19:975 - this has a sound that is worth mapping I think
01:20:090 (2,3,4) - There's something about these 3 notes that just sounds really wrong to me. Slow it and down and listen you'll see what I mean. Not sure the fix tho :/
01:28:958 (1,3) - stack? missed that thanks

Some parts of this difficulties felt a bit overmapped, but honestly that seems kinda necessary for an insane since the song itself isn't that fast paced so I think it's fine.

Bleh, dinky mod. Sorry about that :\

Good luck! Great song. Thank you for mod
blairmani
2 posts
Joined December 2013
blairmani
I really enyojed your map [insane]. Nicely done ! Grat job! Hope it's gonna get ranked <3 ! Keep up the good work :3
Bearizm
1,213 posts
Joined October 2013
Bearizm
YES
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce

Bearizm wrote:

YES
Thanks so much for the star! :D
Guam
31 posts
Joined June 2016
Guam
THIS MUST BE RANKED
i hope it will
its really cool :)
ynot01
20 posts
Joined November 2013
ynot01
MFW really good map is in the graveyard
JapanYoshiTheGamer
290 posts
Joined December 2010
JapanYoshiTheGamer
I love Future Bass. Hope to get this ranked.

All diffs: I think there's something really weird going on at 2:13:207 with the timing points. There's no tempo change or anything there, so you should probably redo the timing. The sliders can and will get wonky when you do fix the timing, but that is necessary.

Easy
Overall - Too many sliders, especially for an Easy diff. Consider mapping some rhythms (like ) in hit circles. As the Guidelines say, “Avoid slider-only sections. Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.”
00:22:493 (1) - This isn't acceptable in an Easy diff.
00:26:186 (1) - Why would you make this 3 beats long, when you could make this 2 beats long and map that nice crispy snare at 27:109?
00:40:032 (2) - I'm definitely not feeling this. What sound is this mapped to? If anything, replace this with a spinner and end at the start of...
00:44:647 (1) - ...this ugly slider. You could remove that and use 4 beats for the recovery after the spinner.
00:54:801 (2) - Replace this with a hit circle; there's no sound I would map to at the slider end.
00:55:724 (1) - [quote=Standard Ranking Criteria#Easy]Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats. This is to ensure adequate time to click a hitobject following a spinner.[/quote]
01:01:263 (1,2) - This sequence of sliders is not very playable for Easy, and besides, a better way to make contrast between the drop and the vocal parts is to map these parts in hit circles. Same goes with: 01:08:647 (1,2) - 01:16:032 (1,2) - 01:23:416 (1,2) - 02:29:860 (1,2) - 02:37:245 (2,3) - 02:44:629 (1,2) - 02:52:014 (1,2) -
01:03:109 (1,2) - Turn these to 2 beats, like you occasionally do after this, to map the slider ends to that sweet sweet snare drum, and enjoy the silence following that snare. Same with: 01:25:263 (1) - 02:39:091 (1,2) -
01:28:938 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is such a missed opportunity to map differently to reflect the new atmosphere of the song in contrast with the parts before it. And it's monotonous, even for an Easy diff, not to mention it's all in sliders, which should be avoided.
01:59:861 (2) - These back beats aren't appropriate for 1) the Easy diff and 2) the intensity of this section. Same with 02:01:707 (2) -
02:04:014 (2) - I'm on the fence about this syncopation. I personally don't hear it in the song at that point.
02:20:591 (1) - This is the Easy diff; this is a perfect opportunity for a nice long spinner.

Normal
[quote=osu!Standard Ranking Criteria#Normal]Avoid 1/2 sliders with multiple reverses. New players are unable to read additional reverses because they are visible for such a short amount of time.
Avoid slider-only sections.Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.[/quote]

Hard
00:14:647 (1) - Not a fan at all of starting on any beat other than the 1st beat in any diff.
00:24:340 (1) - Shorten it by ¼ beat so it can map to the vocals.
00:45:109 (1) - Remove this circle; it maps to nothing I can hear.
00:48:109 (1) - Map the white tick in the middle of this slider because it's musically important.
00:51:570 (6,7) - No Reason Jumps™
01:04:263 (2,3,4) - What I hear in the music at this point doesn't nearly correspond to what hit objects you put here. (a.k.a. Overmapped) Same with: 01:11:647 (4,5) -
01:08:186 (3) - You mapped this same ding with a hit circle earlier in the song. Do that again here. Same with: 02:36:783 (2) -
01:15:801 (2) - What is this? Remove it. Same with 02:44:399 (4) -
01:21:570 (1,2) - This rhythm is mapped more playably by making the slider 1½ beats long, and changing the hit circle into a ⅓ beat slider on the white tick. Same with 02:50:168 (1,2) -
02:37:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is weird to play, especially because of the slider in the middle going over one of the strong beats in this pattern.

Collab Insane
This is a collab difficulty, so I won't nitpick too much to preserve the integrity of the other mappers, but these are a few patterns that made me go "DEFINITELY not."
01:12:340 (1,2) -
01:14:186 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:17:878 (1,2) -
01:19:724 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:22:647 (1) -
01:27:109 (1,1,1,1,2,3) -
02:00:322 (1,2,3,4,1) -
02:03:553 (1,2,1,2) -
02:44:399 (3) -
The hitsounding is off too. I heard Finish way too often and Clap in all the wrong beats.
lalonchera
1 post
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lalonchera
10/10 :) :) :)
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce

JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:

I love Future Bass. Hope to get this ranked.

All diffs: I think there's something really weird going on at 2:13:207 with the timing points. There's no tempo change or anything there, so you should probably redo the timing. The sliders can and will get wonky when you do fix the timing, but that is necessary.

Easy
Overall - Too many sliders, especially for an Easy diff. Consider mapping some rhythms (like ) in hit circles. As the Guidelines say, “Avoid slider-only sections. Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.” I feel that the guidelines often impede on individual map styles and interpretations so I usually avoid them tastefully. The fact the easy is mapped 2/1 and the sliders are extremely slow players won't be too put off
00:22:493 (1) - This isn't acceptable in an Easy diff. I don't see how it isn't acceptable, given the fact it's a prominent beat within the song I chose to map this, I understand the metronome aspect of easy difficulties in general but since this is on a reverse slider I feel it works really well.
00:26:186 (1) - Why would you make this 3 beats long, when you could make this 2 beats long and map that nice crispy snare at 27:109? Alright, I copy+pasted the slider from before and put a 2 beat it works better.
00:40:032 (2) - I'm definitely not feeling this. What sound is this mapped to? If anything, replace this with a spinner and end at the start of...
00:44:647 (1) - ...this ugly slider. You could remove that and use 4 beats for the recovery after the spinner. Spinners are subjective and controversial imo to have. A player needs a large ramp up and recovery time for a player and I don't feel as if the place to add it is at this slider (which i dont think is ugly either..)
00:54:801 (2) - Replace this with a hit circle; there's no sound I would map to at the slider end. There is an extremely audible sound at the sliderend?
00:55:724 (1) - [quote=Standard Ranking Criteria#Easy]Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats. This is to ensure adequate time to click a hitobject following a spinner.4 beats in the 1/4, but i made it 1 beat more to warn players
01:01:263 (1,2) - This sequence of sliders is not very playable for Easy, and besides, a better way to make contrast between the drop and the vocal parts is to map these parts in hit circles. Same goes with: 01:08:647 (1,2) - 01:16:032 (1,2) - 01:23:416 (1,2) - 02:29:860 (1,2) - 02:37:245 (2,3) - 02:44:629 (1,2) - 02:52:014 (1,2) - no
01:03:109 (1,2) - Turn these to 2 beats, like you occasionally do after this, to map the slider ends to that sweet sweet snare drum, and enjoy the silence following that snare. Same with: 01:25:263 (1) - 02:39:091 (1,2) - I made the first one two beats and kept the second one the same,
the others: didn't change 2nd and changed 3rd
01:28:938 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is such a missed opportunity to map differently to reflect the new atmosphere of the song in contrast with the parts before it. And it's monotonous, even for an Easy diff, not to mention it's all in sliders, which should be avoided. Your suggestions dip more into mapping preference, this is my map style and yours is obviously something different, I like this and don't plan on changing my whole mapstyle lmao
01:59:861 (2) - These back beats aren't appropriate for 1) the Easy diff and 2) the intensity of this section. Same with 02:01:707 (2) - They're here for consistency reasons and play perfectly file with the current state of the song.
02:04:014 (2) - I'm on the fence about this syncopation. I personally don't hear it in the song at that point. What?
02:20:591 (1) - This is the Easy diff; this is a perfect opportunity for a nice long spinner. Added ^^

Normal
[quote=osu!Standard Ranking Criteria#Normal]Avoid 1/2 sliders with multiple reverses. New players are unable to read additional reverses because they are visible for such a short amount of time.
Avoid slider-only sections.Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.

Since they're mapped so quick at the beginning I believe players will quickly grasp the concept of the map.

Hard
00:14:647 (1) - Not a fan at all of starting on any beat other than the 1st beat in any diff. ???
00:24:340 (1) - Shorten it by ¼ beat so it can map to the vocals. okay
00:45:109 (1) - Remove this circle; it maps to nothing I can hear. It's keeping consistency and is mapped well to the vocals?
00:48:109 (1) - Map the white tick in the middle of this slider because it's musically important. That's true, it's on a downbeat but in this case the music isn't putting emphasis here.
00:51:570 (6,7) - No Reason Jumps™ It's buildup?
01:04:263 (2,3,4) - What I hear in the music at this point doesn't nearly correspond to what hit objects you put here. (a.k.a. Overmapped) Same with: 01:11:647 (4,5) - First one is fine imo (I had other people check too), but the second one is fixed.
01:08:186 (3) - You mapped this same ding with a hit circle earlier in the song. Do that again here. Same with: 02:36:783 (2) -
01:15:801 (2) - What is this? Remove it. Same with 02:44:399 (4) - It's my way of mapping a fade-in.
01:21:570 (1,2) - This rhythm is mapped more playably by making the slider 1½ beats long, and changing the hit circle into a ⅓ beat slider on the white tick. Same with 02:50:168 (1,2) - Plays worse imo
[/color]02:37:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is weird to play, especially because of the slider in the middle going over one of the strong beats in this pattern. Plays fine for me, I don't see anything wrong

Collab Insane
This is a collab difficulty, so I won't nitpick too much to preserve the integrity of the other mappers, but these are a few patterns that made me go "DEFINITELY not."
01:12:340 (1,2) -
01:14:186 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:17:878 (1,2) -
01:19:724 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:22:647 (1) -
01:27:109 (1,1,1,1,2,3) -
02:00:322 (1,2,3,4,1) -
02:03:553 (1,2,1,2) -
02:44:399 (3) -
The hitsounding is off too. I heard Finish way too often and Clap in all the wrong beats. I'll leave that to office of I R R E V E R S I B L E
[/quote]

Thanks for mod :)
Irreversible
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Irreversible
JapanYoshiTheGamer: Could you please follow the modding scheme [What is wrong] [Why is it wrong] [How to improve it]? Thanks - like this I will be able to properly give you an answer towards the issues stated!
JapanYoshiTheGamer
290 posts
Joined December 2010
JapanYoshiTheGamer
Follow-up comments (I'm assuming you didn't update the map as of yet)

-Space- wrote:

JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:

Easy
Overall - Too many sliders, especially for an Easy diff. Consider mapping some rhythms (like ) in hit circles. As the Guidelines say, “Avoid slider-only sections. Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.” I feel that the guidelines often impede on individual map styles and interpretations so I usually avoid them tastefully. The fact the easy is mapped 2/1 and the sliders are extremely slow players won't be too put off Fair, I suppose, but there's a section in the map that WOULD put off players because of its monotony.
00:40:032 (2) - I'm definitely not feeling this. What sound is this mapped to? If anything, replace this with a spinner and end at the start of...
00:44:647 (1) - ...this ugly slider. You could remove that and use 4 beats for the recovery after the spinner. Spinners are subjective and controversial imo to have. A player needs a large ramp up and recovery time for a player and I don't feel as if the place to add it is at this slider (which i dont think is ugly either..) You can differ on the point that the second slider is ugly (The better word would be "out of place), but the first slider does not correspond to sounds in the song, i.e. there is no sound that should be emphasized on the 2nd beat of the measure where the reverse arrow is on, compared to the 1st and 3rd beats of the measure.
00:54:801 (2) - Replace this with a hit circle; there's no sound I would map to at the slider end. There is an extremely audible sound at the sliderend? Most of the map follows a "1 rest 3 rest" rhythm, and in addition, this part of the song doesn't warrant a slider end at the 4th beat, since it's very weak and doesn't benefit from being highlighted like the first beat of the spinner.
00:55:724 (1) - [quote=Standard Ranking Criteria#Easy]Spinner recovery time should be at least 4 beats. This is to ensure adequate time to click a hitobject following a spinner.4 beats in the 1/4, but i made it 1 beat more to warn players Your recovery is 1 beat long. It should be at least one measure long, and ideally, the spinner should end on 00:59:416 (1) and the slider there deleted.
01:01:263 (1,2) - This sequence of sliders is not very playable for Easy, and besides, a better way to make contrast between the drop and the vocal parts is to map these parts in hit circles. Same goes with: 01:08:647 (1,2) - 01:16:032 (1,2) - 01:23:416 (1,2) - 02:29:860 (1,2) - 02:37:245 (2,3) - 02:44:629 (1,2) - 02:52:014 (1,2) - no Yes.
01:03:109 (1,2) - Turn these to 2 beats, like you occasionally do after this, to map the slider ends to that sweet sweet snare drum, and enjoy the silence following that snare. Same with: 01:25:263 (1) - 02:39:091 (1,2) - I made the first one two beats and kept the second one the same,
the others: didn't change 2nd and changed 3rd All of them should be 2 beats long to map to the snare drum, and emphasize the silence following it. To not do so would almost be an insult to the song itself.
01:28:938 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This is such a missed opportunity to map differently to reflect the new atmosphere of the song in contrast with the parts before it. And it's monotonous, even for an Easy diff, not to mention it's all in sliders, which should be avoided. Your suggestions dip more into mapping preference, this is my map style and yours is obviously something different, I like this and don't plan on changing my whole mapstyle lmao This is where the mapping guidelines about "slider-only sections" comes in. This part is incredibly boring to play, even for new players.
01:59:861 (2) - These back beats aren't appropriate for 1) the Easy diff and 2) the intensity of this section. Same with 02:01:707 (2) - They're here for consistency reasons and play perfectly file with the current state of the song. I don't see the "consistency"
you're aiming for. If anything, this breaks the consistency of your mapping up until this part.
02:04:014 (2) - I'm on the fence about this syncopation. I personally don't hear it in the song at that point. What? This maps the second syncopated note of the vocals but doesn't map to the first, making it feel awkward to play.

Normal
[quote=osu!Standard Ranking Criteria#Normal]Avoid 1/2 sliders with multiple reverses. New players are unable to read additional reverses because they are visible for such a short amount of time.
Avoid slider-only sections.Aiming and following a lot of sliders in a row can be tiring for new players. In such cases, circles and rest moments without hitobjects to click or follow should be used.

Since they're mapped so quick at the beginning I believe players will quickly grasp the concept of the map. That's not the point. I'm saying that the map is mapped like it's a Hard map while it's labeled "Normal". The slider velocity is ridiculously fast. The AR is not a Normal AR.
Compare your Easy map to this, then the Hard map. Even if it were, the multiple reverses right at the start is not acceptable in a Normal map.

Hard
00:14:647 (1) - Not a fan at all of starting on any beat other than the 1st beat in any diff. ??? i.e. You should not start a map on any other beat than the first beat in a measure.
00:45:109 (1) - Remove this circle; it maps to nothing I can hear. It's keeping consistency and is mapped well to the vocals? The "I feel the hate" part sounds like it's avoiding the circle. Removing it will help players recover from the spinner, and remove an imperfection from your map.
00:48:109 (1) - Map the white tick in the middle of this slider because it's musically important. That's true, it's on a downbeat but in this case the music isn't putting emphasis here. The music isn't putting emphasis on the other beats in the measure compared to the first. The arpeggio in the background seems to be consistently strong throughout the measure, further supporting my point that the slider shouldn't cross the first beat in the measure, which is the strongest in the measure by default if no other beats are accentuated.
00:51:570 (6,7) - No Reason Jumps™ It's buildup? There's no strong sound that should be emphasized on the 7, and in addition, the section is not intense at all. The buildup doesn't start until the spinner following it.
01:04:263 (2,3,4) - What I hear in the music at this point doesn't nearly correspond to what hit objects you put here. (a.k.a. Overmapped) Same with: 01:11:647 (4,5) - First one is fine imo (I had other people check too), but the second one is fixed. The first one (01:04:263 (2,3,4)) doesn't match up with the voice sample playing in the background. It doesn't sound strong enough to be mapped anyway, so it's best to remove these three circles, so the map will "feel" more like the song.
01:08:186 (3) - You mapped this same ding with a hit circle earlier in the song. Do that again here. Same with: 02:36:783 (2) - Is this fixed?
01:15:801 (2) - What is this? Remove it. Same with 02:44:399 (4) - It's my way of mapping a fade-in. Well, your way doesn't represent the song well, neither does it play well. Fade-ins don't have a beat at the start to click on, so it shouldn't even be mapped anyway.
01:21:570 (1,2) - This rhythm is mapped more playably by making the slider 1½ beats long, and changing the hit circle into a ⅓ beat slider on the white tick. Same with 02:50:168 (1,2) - Plays worse imo Short sliders with 2 reverse arrows always play worse.
If you listen to the kick drum in the beat there, you can hear that it follows my suggestion.
[/color]02:37:245 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is weird to play, especially because of the slider in the middle going over one of the strong beats in this pattern. Plays fine for me, I don't see anything wrong I'm referring to the slider (4). The strong beats are on objects 1, 3, the middle of 4, and 5, and so the placement of the slider 4 is disastrous to the feel of the song.

Collab Insane
This is a collab difficulty, so I won't nitpick too much to preserve the integrity of the other mappers, but these are a few patterns that made me go "DEFINITELY not."
01:12:340 (1,2) -
01:14:186 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:17:878 (1,2) -
01:19:724 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:22:647 (1) -
01:27:109 (1,1,1,1,2,3) -
02:00:322 (1,2,3,4,1) -
02:03:553 (1,2,1,2) -
02:44:399 (3) -
The hitsounding is off too. I heard Finish way too often and Clap in all the wrong beats. I'll leave that to office of I R R E V E R S I B L E
Thanks for mod :)
Spayyce
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Spayyce
They're guidelines, I am not forced to follow them. Plus I don't want to change much because the map isn't originally mine and the map style is mildly different. I would ask you to talk to the original mapper but he's banned, so-

I've already gave my opinion and interpretations to your mod and I am not going to be changing them unless something outstanding shows on them that would make them play extremely poorly or something that makes them otherwise unrankable. The criteria guidelines exist as what they are: guidelines.

The first part in the hard, it can be perceived as the first beat, it's just that I put the offset time 1 beat ahead, not necessarily a bad thing it's just where I put it- I could've put it 4 beats before because it would've also been on the downbeat. I appreciate your mod on my mod reply??

I am probably not going to change stuff, and irre will probably want reasons why like to stated earlier. Thanks again.
JapanYoshiTheGamer
290 posts
Joined December 2010
JapanYoshiTheGamer

-Space- wrote:

They're guidelines, I am not forced to follow them. Plus I don't want to change much because the map isn't originally mine and the map style is mildly different. I would ask you to talk to the original mapper but he's banned, so-

I've already gave my opinion and interpretations to your mod and I am not going to be changing them unless something outstanding shows on them that would make them play extremely poorly or something that makes them otherwise unrankable. The criteria guidelines exist as what they are: guidelines.

The first part in the hard, it can be perceived as the first beat, it's just that I put the offset time 1 beat ahead, not necessarily a bad thing it's just where I put it- I could've put it 4 beats before because it would've also been on the downbeat. I appreciate your mod on my mod reply??

I am probably not going to change stuff, and irre will probably want reasons why like to stated earlier. Thanks again.
The reply to the mod is the reasons why. I advise you and the "original mapper" to read them.

You do not understand what "the first beat in a measure" means, and I advise you to learn that much basic music theory if you are to try to get your map ranked, for your own sake. As a clue, your tiny doubly-reversed slider at the start is on the fourth beat in that measure. As another clue, if you enable the countdown and it sounds off, you haven't put the first object on the first beat of a measure.
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce
I know how to rank maps, I have two maps current ranked as it stands. I gave you reasons why twice, I am not obliged to agree nor am I required to change something because of another persons opinion or input. I also don't need to know music terms in order to rank a map, this is a rhythm game and thus I do not need to know specifics on understanding music terminology. I know how to map on this game and as it stands my map is not unrankable until someone states otherwise with valid proof. The countdown is off because it of the way I put the offset, I can always just put it 4 beats before and it would work fine because it goes in conjunction with the offset to where the first beat is.

So in conclusion I don't need to know what "basic music theory" is in order to rank a map on a rhythm game. I am not here to learn about music theory, I am here to map a song.

EDIT: On a side note, maps are also an interpretation of how someone else perceives the beats and all maps are done through heavily opinionated views. Evidently your opinions on how this song should be mapped are much different. You're always welcome to map your own version of this song if my map style isn't up to your standards.
JapanYoshiTheGamer
290 posts
Joined December 2010
JapanYoshiTheGamer
Now you're just being plain silly. Mapping in a rhythm game--that is, a game based on music--requires basic music theory, for understanding how the whole system works under the hood. What makes a map well-mapped? rhythm. Emphasis. Intensity. Design. While music theory can't help you with design, it wis indispensable in thinking about the other elements, syncing up with, representing, and embellishing the soundtrack. You keep saying it's your "mapping style"; if your mapping style is to ignore the basic tenets of what makes music the way it is, that's not a very rankable, or appreciable, way of mapping.
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce
It's got me 2 ranked maps :shrug:

:^)

:^)
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Joined January 2011
Kyshiro

JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:

Now you're just being plain silly. Mapping in a rhythm game--that is, a game based on music--requires basic music theory, for understanding how the whole system works under the hood. What makes a map well-mapped? rhythm. Emphasis. Intensity. Design. While music theory can't help you with design, it wis indispensable in thinking about the other elements, syncing up with, representing, and embellishing the soundtrack. You keep saying it's your "mapping style"; if your mapping style is to ignore the basic tenets of what makes music the way it is, that's not a very rankable, or appreciable, way of mapping.
I started with basically no knowledge of music theory, see where it got me lol.

Really all it takes is common sense, lots of practise and some skill in playing the game itself to get knowledge of how it works.
Winek
887 posts
Joined September 2013
Winek

JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:

Now you're just being plain silly. Mapping in a rhythm game--that is, a game based on music--requires basic music theory, for understanding how the whole system works under the hood. What makes a map well-mapped? rhythm. Emphasis. Intensity. Design. While music theory can't help you with design, it wis indispensable in thinking about the other elements, syncing up with, representing, and embellishing the soundtrack. You keep saying it's your "mapping style"; if your mapping style is to ignore the basic tenets of what makes music the way it is, that's not a very rankable, or appreciable, way of mapping.
I have no basic music theory. I map from heart and have my own mapping style, but yeah. Soon we should have rules on how our mapping style is. And soon might as well have maps that are all exactly the same. Because we all need to follow what exactly is the "rythm", the "empahisis", the "intensity" and "design". Might as well say these objectives things.
(Fun fact I lost a friend because of the guidelines and my so called 'stubborness')
Spayyce
693 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Spayyce
The rank criteria doesnt state that you need to follow "basic music theory" or whatever that means. As Winek said I map based on how I feel about the map. The more you play the game the more you come to realise not everything as as black and white as you make it, thats what makes the game creative and gives mappers inspiration.
Dragontail
247 posts
Joined August 2016
Dragontail
Sadly I know a lot of music theory but suck at making maps.
Silerra
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Joined April 2017
Silerra
That's very nice map! :)
But not ranked. :(
Plaudible
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Plaudible
tfw no toxic 1/8 repeat sliders for the wubs
cmon now :(
Spayyce
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Spayyce

Plaudible wrote:

tfw no toxic 1/8 repeat sliders for the wubs
cmon now :(
because im a boosted mapper :o
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