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Muzzy - Timberwolf

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meii18
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meii18
The map is good enough but popping the bubble for an issue which is not acceptable for rank:
soft-hitfinish.wav have only 29.59 ms lenght which is below 100 ms lenght as it is written in Raking Criteria:

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Every .wav file must be at least 100ms long to prevent issues with soundcards. If you want a silent/blank hitsound, then you must use a 0-byte .wav file. NOTE: Due to a technical issue having any files that are 0 bytes in size in the beatmap folder will cause files after the(first) 0-byte file to be missing.Please do NOT use any 0-byte files.The one linked above is 44kb in size and won't cause issues.
You have to fix it (making longer to 100 ms lenght or a bit above 100 ms lenght to make it acceptable for rank.
Call me back after you will fix the issue with the hitsound and I will recheck it
Edit: Just checked the metadata.It is written as Muzzy - Timberwolf as it is on this page :arrow:https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/timberwolf?in=monstercat/sets/muzzy-the-takeover-ep but I am not really sure if it's with Original Mix or without it.Maybe you have to remove it since mostly of pages have the title without Original Mix in my point of view.
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Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Nozhomi's new hs has been fixed.

About the metadata , Youtube and Soundcloud sources doesn't reveal the "Original Mix" tag but I've found it on an official website where you can buy the song as an official release.
→ https://pro.beatport.com/track/timberwo ... ix/4859620

It's up to you to tell me If I have to remove that tag or no.
Nozhomi
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Nozhomi
<- Worst BN confirmed
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Don't push yourself so down please!

It's okay everybody make mistakes!
Okoratu
Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator
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Okoratu
Noz asked me about this prior to doing things here.

The way i see it is that Muzzy himself only speaks of this song without the Original Mix:
https://www.facebook.com/MuzzyMusic/pos ... 4213419519
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His original post to youtube about it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yBwsPDdpvs ) doesn't use the mix thing either,
You can also buy the song on Bandcamp:
http://music.monstercat.com/album/the-takeover-ep (doesn't use Original Mix)
Or on Itunes:
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/album/the-t ... d732426690 (doesnt use mix thing either)

But the presence of it in that beatport release says either: he doesn't care or all other places that also sell it are wrong
I think he just doesn't care and you can choose what you prefer lol
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Alright , removed the "Original Mix".

The map should be ready now!
Nozhomi
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Nozhomi
You forget to remove old SB file.
Ok #1 again.
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Yay c:

Let's find Byby and Bara- again
Bara-
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Bara-
Rebooble #2
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Byby rank it!
riffy
osu! Alumni
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riffy
Since Bara- took part in the creation of the set it seems to be a bit strange to see him bubble. Let's not.
meii18
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Joined October 2013
meii18
^ Exactly what he said.I did not went to qualify it since I saw that Bara- made the SB names and also nominated this map which is not acceptable.You are not allowed to nominate your own map or the map where you contributed (SB (names or full SB), Guest Difficulty etc.).Just saying,that's why i did not qualify it yet.Sorry again for inconvienence :(
Bara-
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Joined April 2013
Bara-

Secretpipe wrote:

Bara- wrote:

Nice map ^_^
Not sure if I'm allowed to bubble, since I made the SB, but if you can get confirmation on the fact it's allowed I will do it ^_^
I talked with Shiro and she thinks that you can bubble because you didn't make a change in the map and you just added some effects so yeah!
Uhmm, okay
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
This is getting annoying..
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe

Bakari wrote:

Since Bara- took part in the creation of the set it seems to be a bit strange to see him bubble. Let's not.

wow 4 png files + 1 osb file!


MASSIVE CHANGE TO THE MAPPU!
meii18
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Joined October 2013
meii18
Bara- won't nominate this map anymore since he contributed in this mapset so I guess you need another BN to get the bubble #2 or the flame.Here is the rebubble #1
Rebubble #1!
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
much contribution lol

Thanks.
Nozhomi
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Nozhomi
Ok fine good #2
Bara-
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Bara-
Ah well
Good luck with the map!
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Let's find someone !
Liiraye
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Liiraye
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Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
I wished ;;
Zaphkael
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Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Okay so let's sum this up very quickly!

After spending days and night to rank that map , I feel like to say that this is clearly almost impossible to get a 3rd bn on this map.
The reason ? Every BNs have been busy these days.
Some would say "just wait some days/a week dood" "chill m8"

I'm preparing myself for my finals who will take place in june and I wanted to rank that map before finishin'/rankin' anything before June (unless we have mbc results o: )
The fact is that I've been polishing the map since 4 months and I've been collabing with Liiraye who did an awesome job and I didn't want him to think "damn i wasted time xd"



I'll leave that map here with two bubbles , waiting for an eventual result from bns if they are free someday!

thank you mr monstrata for being kind!
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Bara-
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Bara-
Good thing bubbled maps can't go to graveyard
Side
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Joined October 2013
Side
Minor mod. Box for cleanliness
YOOOOOOOOOOO don't rank this yet I wanna mod dem hitsounds :v
Edit: Well actually it's all pretty minor no real reason to pop the bubble but I would suggest 00:00:588 (1,2,1) - instead of using the low pitch keysounds you should raise it up one octave because right now its too low to match the music. For example 02:28:680 (1,2,3) - match the pitch and octave. Basically here. I hope they're named correctly otherwise feel free to correct. Same sound but one octave higher :v

Also 03:03:480 (3,4) - That second keysound is unnecessary per the music only 03:02:965 (1) - plays and echoes on so I'd consider removing those from this section.


Good shit nrg! Just apply these changes while getting the heart. Good luck!

Edit2: Was missing a .wav and one was misnamed so use thisinstead

EDIT3: OKAY after testplaying and checking on those changes I'd say it's best to just leave it as is LOL. The keysounds sound a bit laggy in the intro compared to how they sound in the song. Also in the later section they blend too well with the keysounds and since they have no tactile feedback (i.e. the default soft-hitnormal or the custom hitnormal) it might cause more issues than fix. As for the second point I suppose it's minor since it's expected although not in the music it could be implied so all in all, these points could be dismissed xd

Sorry to add a random wall to your post spipe I'll box them in so they don't look so messy :v
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Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
I don't wanna get more mods into that , I'll just waste my time
Side
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Side
I understand your concern but please don't call this a waste of time. No mod should be considered that. The hitsounds are overall really well-done (no surprise) but much like the map, I think the hitsounds should be almost perfect! The changes are really minor and can be done under an hour and worst case scenario the map's not going anywhere and neither are the bubbles. Just discuss it with the 3rd BN it shouldn't cause any issues. Or ask nerova to do it while you're busy again it's pretty much just changing three.wavs and deleting a few green sections and thats it.

EDIT: also btw make sure to fix NRG's tags LOL (its nerova riuz gx btw) avoid unnecessary dq's
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Go ahead!
I'm only available until tomorrow though. (gonna fix that tmr, maybe a 3rd bn will notice it ww)
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
Nvm it seemed like the hs mod wasn't necessary!

Though , I fixed the tag!
The map should be clean now
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Joined May 2013
Monstrata
[Wilderness]
  1. 00:43:788 (7,1,2) - This spacing is rather confusing for me. I would place 1 further up the screen so its more clear 7>1 is 1/1 and 1>2 is 1/2.
  2. 02:29:365 - Not going to map this?
  3. 05:29:537 (1) - I don't relaly like how you use this slider lol. It's too early imo. The track is still really upbeat and fast when this slider plays, but its a slow slider, so it just feels kinda awkward for me. What you do for 05:32:794 (1) - is a lot better because the track has died down.
The name strobing in Kiai is a possible epilepsy trigger. Anything that pulses under 1 second intervals can be considered a trigger so it's best to enable epilepsy warning. Yea, it's really small but there's nothing to lose in having it enabled imo...

Okay that's all. Call me back when you're finished replying/fixing/whatever.
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe

Monstrata wrote:

[Wilderness]
  1. 00:43:788 (7,1,2) - This spacing is rather confusing for me. I would place 1 further up the screen so its more clear 7>1 is 1/1 and 1>2 is 1/2. Definitely right!
  2. 02:29:365 - Not going to map this? In that part I just wanted to emphasize the piano ! Adding a slider at 02:29:194 - would be weirdo!
  3. 05:29:537 (1) - I don't relaly like how you use this slider lol. It's too early imo. The track is still really upbeat and fast when this slider plays, but its a slow slider, so it just feels kinda awkward for me. What you do for 05:32:794 (1) - is a lot better because the track has died down. Emphasizing the flute was so important for me though!In the end of the map there's also pattenrs like this : The guitar samples are followed (06:06:737 (1,2,3,4) - ) even if the song was really upbeat at that part! So I guess I wanna keep that to be consistent with 01:28:166 (1) -
The name strobing in Kiai is a possible epilepsy trigger. Anything that pulses under 1 second intervals can be considered a trigger so it's best to enable epilepsy warning. Yea, it's really small but there's nothing to lose in having it enabled imo... You're right! Added!

Okay that's all. Call me back when you're finished replying/fixing/whatever.
Thanks a lot Janna! :D
Monstrata
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Monstrata
HAPPY NEW YEAR
CONGRATZ ITS A GIRL
Okoratu
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Okoratu
Are you ok
Secretpipe
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Secretpipe
JUST MY IDEA

WOOO I KNEW IT'D BE A GIRL
Liiraye
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Liiraye
I've never been a mom b4
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Congrats! can I hold her?
Bara-
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Bara-
Gratzzzz
grumd
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grumd
This is a great map with insanely well-made hitsounding, but the hitsounds actually turned out to be a little problem here.

We have this drum-hitnormal21.wav which is used once at 04:49:765 -
It has an inaudible beginning and it fades in:


Ranking Criteria says this:
Hitsounds must have an acceptable range of delay under 5ms, unless there's a special purpose. Every hitsound file should start in time, preferrably at 0ms. This is to ensure that every map doesn't sound mistimed, and therefore could provide acceptably synchronized rhythm feedback to players.
Indeed it can be called a special purpose, but actually the problem in this particular hitobject is that it doesn't have any other sound except the fade-in thing. You replaced the hitnormal with this sound, which makes this clickable slider start absolutely inaudible. It would be perfectly fine if you had an audible hitnormal and the fade-in sound was an addition to it.

The same thing happened to 03:22:680 - (normal-hitnormal33.wav)


The other problem, which directly refers to the aforementioned RC rule is soft-hitfinish.wav. It has a close-to-silent delay of around 15ms, which is unrankable. You should edit this file and cut the beginning.
E: Invalid point.
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