17:43 ArcherLove: wa
17:43 ArcherLove: it's really weak sound--
17:44 Aqo: if you really want to emphasize that weak change
17:44 ArcherLove: you were right
17:44 Aqo: then at most do something like this http://i.imgur.com/c4gkMKp.png
17:44 ArcherLove: oh my how in the world you notice that very weak sound
17:44 Aqo: but changing the chord entirely feels wrong
17:44 Aqo: also
17:44 ArcherLove: ok I will do that
17:44 Aqo: I like analyzing a lot of complex songs
17:44 Aqo: lol
17:44 Aqo: so I notice all the little sounds
17:44 ArcherLove: very good ear
17:44 Aqo: I only chart vertically
17:44 ArcherLove: ok I do that
17:45 ArcherLove: I will change all of that kind of sound
17:45 Aqo: ok
17:45 ArcherLove: http://puu.sh/na7PT/422b6ee371.png
17:45 ArcherLove: should I make 4 chord or better 3?
17:45 ArcherLove: at last
17:45 Aqo: I think when making decisions like that
17:45 Aqo: you should take into account relative intensity
17:45 Aqo: and volume
17:46 Aqo: it also depends on the difficulty level you're making
17:46 Aqo: since most of this chart is double streams on this bpm
17:46 Aqo: I'd even use 5 chords
17:46 ArcherLove: hmm since it's only fade sound
17:46 ArcherLove: I think 3 is ok?
17:46 Aqo: also
17:46 Aqo: it gives you a better adjustment range
17:46 Aqo: listen to the difference between
17:47 Aqo: 00:01:275 - and 00:02:166 -
17:47 Aqo: the first one is stronger than the second one
17:47 Aqo: they're mostly the same, but second one has one synth layer at a lower volume
17:47 Aqo: instead of changing the chord like you did
17:47 Aqo: I'd lower the intensity by reducing 1 column
17:47 Aqo: from 5 to 4
17:47 Aqo: and make it 2/3 per hand on first one
17:47 ArcherLove: ah
17:47 Aqo: and 2/2 on second one
17:47 Aqo: to keep the balance for the player
17:47 Aqo: so for example
17:48 Aqo: like this http://i.imgur.com/vDqmk7H.png
17:48 Aqo: that way it doesn't matter if it's right hand or left hand player
17:48 Aqo: the pattern will always feel balanced
17:49 ArcherLove: hmm that's good
17:49 Aqo: while still emphasizing the change in the music
17:49 ArcherLove: ok take
17:49 Aqo: and also being consistent
17:49 Aqo: also
17:49 Aqo: 00:03:354 (3354|2,3502|4) -
17:49 Aqo: those two notes are different in the music
17:49 Aqo: but I'd put them on the same column
17:50 ArcherLove: alright
17:50 Aqo: because they're a completely different rhythm from the louder notes that are present around them
17:50 Aqo: and having variation on the smaller/weaker notes
17:50 Aqo: gives them too much emphasis
17:50 Aqo: it doesn't play as good
17:50 Aqo: also 00:03:651 - and so on
17:50 ArcherLove: roger changed
17:50 Aqo: the loud parts are copy-paste in the music
17:50 Aqo: so I'd also copy paste in the chart
17:50 ArcherLove: I'm working on that
17:50 ArcherLove: hmm
17:51 ArcherLove: I think a bit different but same density would be fine?
17:51 Aqo: it will be fine because that's the first impression the player gets
17:51 Aqo: when you keep it consistent and not random, the player knows very clearly what he's playing
17:51 Aqo: it makes it more fun like that
17:51 Aqo: feels more like you're actually playing the music
17:51 ArcherLove: ah
17:51 ArcherLove: yeah
17:51 Aqo: and not random training patterns
17:51 ArcherLove: it's bms-based chard
17:51 ArcherLove: *chart
17:51 Aqo: yes
17:51 ArcherLove: I should make that way
17:51 Aqo: bms is all about charting the music
17:51 Aqo: the player has to feel
17:51 Aqo: like the music comes out of his fingers
17:52 Aqo: 00:05:730 (5730|2,5730|4) -
17:52 Aqo: two notes for this for example
17:52 Aqo: is a bad idea
17:52 Aqo: there's exactly 1 instrument in use here
17:52 ArcherLove: 4?
17:52 Aqo: no matter how loud or intense it is
17:52 Aqo: I won't use more than 1 note for this
17:52 ArcherLove: should only 1?
17:52 Aqo: yes
17:52 Aqo: there are no layers in the music for this sound
17:53 Aqo: it's a pure single instrument
17:53 ArcherLove: well maybe modder will talk loud about this later but
17:53 ArcherLove: let's just change to 1 right now
17:53 ArcherLove: because this is bms-based
17:53 Aqo: also it feels more fun to play imo
17:53 Aqo: it's more exciting
17:53 ArcherLove: okk
17:53 Aqo: when you have shifts from small into big really fast
17:53 Aqo: keeps you in focus
17:54 Aqo: as for the big stream...
17:54 Aqo: I'm not sure what system you used to place it down
17:54 Aqo: it's hard for me to tell
17:54 Aqo: do you pay attention to blue ticks when placing streams?
17:54 ArcherLove: if 2 note
17:55 ArcherLove: =piano + 1 sound (ckckckck)
17:55 ArcherLove: for chord
17:55 Aqo: I mean position
17:55 ArcherLove: piano+ckck+kick
17:55 ArcherLove: hmm
17:55 Aqo: 00:06:101 (6101|1) - 00:06:250 (6250|5) - 00:06:547 (6547|4) -
17:55 ArcherLove: I guess PR and about simetrical
17:55 Aqo: if you look at just your blue ticks
17:55 ArcherLove: it's like
17:55 ArcherLove: "for playability"
17:55 ArcherLove: since I don't have much experience
17:55 ArcherLove: and when I play it feels nice---
17:55 ArcherLove: orz
17:56 Aqo: they create a shape like this http://i.imgur.com/1484p1i.png
17:56 Aqo: it's kinda random isn't it
17:56 ArcherLove: yeah
17:56 ArcherLove: but I don't think it's weird to play (?)
17:56 ArcherLove: since one of my bms friend said it feels nice
17:56 ArcherLove: idk too
17:56 Aqo: left, right, right, right, right, left, both, both, right, both, middle
17:56 Aqo: the balance here is very inconsistent
17:56 ArcherLove: ;;
17:56 Aqo: did your bms friend FC this?
17:57 Aqo: it's very hard to judge how good a stream pattern plays if you're not FCing it
17:57 Aqo: everything feels "fun" if you're barely surviving on it
17:57 Aqo: but only really well structured maps are fun to play if you're already doing well on them
17:57 ArcherLove: S'd .. at 96%
17:57 Aqo: pro
17:57 Aqo: ;w;
17:58 ArcherLove: and the other one
17:58 ArcherLove: named shadow
17:58 ArcherLove: bmshadow
17:58 Aqo: when I listen to this streamy part of the music
17:58 ArcherLove: only A because can't acc ww
17:58 Aqo: if I were to really simplify the music rhythm here
17:58 Aqo: it sounds like this
17:59 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/wNoaTCi.png
17:59 Aqo: starting from 00:06:027 -
17:59 ArcherLove: oh that's so like
17:59 Aqo: can you hear this?
17:59 Aqo: there's a constant repeating synth
17:59 ArcherLove: yeah I can
17:59 Aqo: going from red beat to white beat
17:59 ArcherLove: it's the technical way to map
17:59 Aqo: yes
17:59 ArcherLove: but.. it's like
18:00 ArcherLove: killing hand orz
18:00 Aqo: I'm not saying I'll place the notes like this
18:00 ArcherLove: still inexperience with technical thing so I tried a bit 'messy' ones
18:00 Aqo: this is just the base rhythm
18:00 Aqo: now,
18:00 Aqo: if you listen to this rhythm
18:00 Aqo: you notice every 2 white lines
18:00 Aqo: the synth pitch changes
18:00 ArcherLove: yeah
18:00 ArcherLove: higher and higher
18:00 Aqo: and it always changes in the same direction
18:00 Aqo: yes
18:01 ArcherLove: xi style
18:01 Aqo: once you take that into account
18:01 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/NEZNtcE.png
18:01 Aqo: this is the rhythm here
18:01 Aqo: its basic form
18:01 Aqo: now
18:01 Aqo: look at just the blue ticks
18:01 ArcherLove: okay
18:01 Aqo: the way they gradually move
18:01 Aqo: creates a lot of minitrills
18:02 Aqo: that feel nice to play
18:02 Aqo: it's 'consistent'
18:02 Aqo: but 'different'
18:02 ArcherLove: yes?
18:02 Aqo: hard to explain but like
18:02 Aqo: it plays nice...?
18:02 Aqo: and makes sense with the music
18:02 ArcherLove: hmm right
18:02 Aqo: there's also a drum here on each 1/1
18:02 Aqo: and every 2 white lines another synth
18:03 ArcherLove: thre is part I forgot to put drum at [1] so I change at [7] lol
18:03 Aqo: lol
18:03 ArcherLove: I just kind like mapping while moving
18:03 Aqo: and also if you want another layer
18:03 Aqo: it can follow its own logic
18:03 Aqo: to create a mix for the play
18:03 ArcherLove: higher"
18:03 Aqo: so lets say just regular opposite stair logic
18:03 ArcherLove: following the bass
18:04 Aqo: might be better to do it differently
18:04 Aqo: hmm
18:04 Aqo: for every blue tick on the right
18:04 Aqo: I'd place one on the left
18:04 Aqo: maybe try that
18:05 Aqo: lol zzzz http://i.imgur.com/Hgi0WPh.png
18:05 Aqo: well would need to think about it
18:05 Aqo: either way at this point it's not a suggestion
18:05 Aqo: just saying that the way my mapping system works
18:05 Aqo: I try to take into account both the music and the player's hands
18:05 ArcherLove: yeah yeah it's ok
18:05 Aqo: but I'm having a hard time telling your system on your streams
18:05 ArcherLove: I'm studying any kind of style
18:06 Aqo: it feels kinda random
18:06 ArcherLove: for future purpose
18:06 Aqo: if you run into situations
18:06 Aqo: where you feel like you forgot a note...
18:06 ArcherLove: I already tell my way of mapping is like "mapping while moving"
18:06 Aqo: then imo you should rethink your style
18:06 ArcherLove: yes
18:06 ArcherLove: ?
18:06 Aqo: try to map more vertically
18:06 Aqo: as in
18:06 Aqo: not chronologically
18:06 ArcherLove: well what can I say.. 1st try mapping alone bms..
18:06 Aqo: also try playing a lot of actual bms
18:06 ArcherLove: before, helped by someone (collab) ww
18:06 Aqo: to get ideas
18:07 Aqo: both play and then look at how it looks in the editor
18:09 ArcherLove: my PC broke
18:09 ArcherLove: rip 60gb
18:09 Aqo: 00:15:532 -
18:09 Aqo: back to your map
18:09 Aqo: starting from this point
18:09 ArcherLove: alright
18:09 Aqo: you map double streams
18:09 ArcherLove: PR?
18:09 Aqo: the music is literally
18:09 Aqo: empty
18:09 Aqo: it's just funny
18:10 Aqo: all ghost notes
18:10 Aqo: whhhy
18:10 ArcherLove: aaa
18:10 ArcherLove: 2 note for piano (?)
18:10 ArcherLove: it's like
18:10 ArcherLove: also from bms like
18:10 ArcherLove: doubling sound
18:11 ArcherLove: stuff like that (?)
18:11 Aqo: lol..
18:11 Aqo: this is all the music this part has http://i.imgur.com/5BsmzI7.png
18:11 ArcherLove: if many people against that I don't mind changing it~
18:11 Aqo: well, I'm not against overmapping
18:11 Aqo: but I find it funny how intense you map a calm part of the song
18:12 ArcherLove: aa haha
18:12 ArcherLove: rip ;;
18:12 ArcherLove: I guess
18:12 ArcherLove: for diff purpose (?)
18:12 Aqo: well that goes back to what I said earlier
18:12 Aqo: it makes it feel more like a random pattern training map
18:12 Aqo: than a map for the song
18:13 Aqo: might as well pick your favorite TV size song
18:13 Aqo: and map it the same way
18:13 Aqo: >w<
18:13 ArcherLove: too short
18:13 Aqo: lol
18:13 ArcherLove: I don't really enjoy mapping too short song @.@
18:13 ArcherLove: it's like
18:13 ArcherLove: less creativity
18:13 Aqo: so map the full ver of anime song :b
18:13 ArcherLove: when finish I feel empty
18:13 ArcherLove: TOO LONG
18:13 ArcherLove: sdasdas
18:13 ArcherLove: I'm complicated person /i/
18:14 Aqo: did I send you my 100% magical chart earlier?
18:14 ArcherLove: yes
18:14 *Aqo is listening to Tamura Yukari, Kanai Mika, Horie Yui - 100% Magical Star*
18:14 Aqo: anime short song
18:14 Aqo: also very overmapped
18:14 Aqo: but I don't think it lacks creativity ?_?
18:14 ArcherLove: uh
18:14 Aqo: has lots of variation
18:14 ArcherLove: it's just like self satisfication
18:14 Aqo: even that the music itself is really simple
18:14 Aqo: correct me if I'm wrong
18:14 ArcherLove: yeaah
18:14 Aqo: just saying you don't have to pick a long song
18:15 ArcherLove: but
18:15 Aqo: to find room to mix things up
18:15 ArcherLove: there is some song that's very good
18:15 ArcherLove: so I want to map TV size ww
18:15 Aqo: ww
18:17 Aqo: 01:14:938 -
18:17 Aqo: this part in your chart for example
18:17 Aqo: in the music it's very intense
18:17 Aqo: but in the chart it's low density
18:17 Aqo: compared to other parts you charted with high density like that empty part earlier
18:17 ArcherLove: uhh it's like
18:17 ArcherLove: resting?
18:18 Aqo: resting?
18:18 Aqo: here?
18:18 ArcherLove: you are right
18:18 ArcherLove: let's just
18:18 ArcherLove: not
18:18 ArcherLove: any suggestion?
18:18 Aqo: well
18:18 Aqo: again my overall suggestion for the chart would be
18:18 Aqo: to think about how you can make it vertically
18:19 Aqo: break down the entire song into parts
18:19 Aqo: think which parts feel intense
18:19 Aqo: which parts feel calm
18:19 Aqo: which parts repeat
18:19 Aqo: and which parts have variation in them
18:19 Aqo: and then put patterns accordingly
18:19 Aqo: intense parts get more density
18:19 Aqo: repeat parts get repeat blue ticks to give the player the right feels
18:19 Aqo: calm parts less density
18:19 Aqo: changing parts change the pattern
18:20 Aqo: etc
18:20 ArcherLove: okk
18:20 ArcherLove: ah
18:20 ArcherLove: about this
18:20 Aqo: it's easier to get the right idea when you consider the entire song
18:20 ArcherLove: this is ok? http://puu.sh/na9IO/d49e2486ba.png
18:20 ArcherLove: like
18:20 ArcherLove: vurst
18:20 ArcherLove: *burst
18:20 Aqo: you mean 01:16:423 - right
18:20 ArcherLove: is that kind of pattern acceptable?
18:20 ArcherLove: yes
18:20 Aqo: to be honest
18:20 Aqo: I have noooooooooo idea how to map 1/8 notes
18:21 Aqo: that's one aspect of mapping I have absolutely no idea about
18:21 ArcherLove: uhmm
18:21 Aqo: just do what feels right. it looks okay I guess? lol
18:21 ArcherLove: maybe it's good like this
18:21 ArcherLove: \w/
18:21 Aqo: I think this part
18:21 Aqo: 01:16:683 (76683|2,76720|1,76757|2) -
18:21 Aqo: is annoying to play
18:21 Aqo: would've been better if all 4 stairs faced the same direction imo
18:21 Aqo: that's all I can say
18:22 ArcherLove: ok
18:22 Aqo: playing a jack on yellow ticks
18:22 Aqo: is very hard...
18:22 Aqo: especially with same-hand also doing a stream
18:23 ArcherLove: er..
18:23 ArcherLove: http://puu.sh/na9Rm/81462577f8.jpg ?
18:23 ArcherLove: so wrong--
18:23 ArcherLove: it feels
18:23 Aqo: yeah looks like a mess
18:23 Aqo: uhm
18:25 ArcherLove: lol http://puu.sh/na9Yo/603defe881.jpg
18:25 ArcherLove: spam right left right left
18:25 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/2MNMEDI.png
18:26 ArcherLove: that's good also
18:27 Aqo: here
18:27 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/pMnuobO.png
18:27 Aqo: found the right way to balance this
18:28 ArcherLove: oh o.o? I thought this http://puu.sh/naabP/ac94bb519a.jpg good enough?
18:28 ArcherLove: should I change?
18:29 Aqo: it has balance issues
18:29 Aqo: look
18:29 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/qeq5fEB.png
18:29 ArcherLove: well that's right
18:29 ArcherLove: changing
18:29 Aqo: http://i.imgur.com/nln8Gs3.png
18:29 Aqo: stuff like this feels "weird" when you play it
18:29 Aqo: also
18:29 Aqo: hand balance:
18:29 Aqo: imagine a left-handed player
18:30 ArcherLove: <-
18:30 Aqo: left hand: http://i.imgur.com/g3hh2O8.png
18:30 Aqo: right hand: http://i.imgur.com/wUFUdEt.png
18:30 Aqo: bad hand balance...
18:30 ArcherLove: dead thumb
18:30 ArcherLove: lol tiht
18:30 ArcherLove: *rightt
18:31 Aqo: damnit
18:32 Aqo: you made me think about this song too much
18:32 Aqo: now I want to chart it
18:32 Aqo: zzzz
18:32 ArcherLove: zzzzzzz
18:32 ArcherLove: great song
18:32 ArcherLove: \o\
18:32 Aqo: xi
18:33 ArcherLove: over the top
18:33 Aqo: loll
18:33 Aqo: by the way
18:33 Aqo: remember I told you earlier to use 1 note instead of 2
18:33 ArcherLove: yes?
18:33 Aqo: 01:21:844 (81844|1,81918|2,81992|3) -
18:33 Aqo: in parts like this
18:33 Aqo: I think it's better to unmap
18:33 Aqo: even that the music is there
18:33 Aqo: it makes the transition feel more intense
18:34 ArcherLove: hmm ok
18:34 Aqo: when you keep having 1/4 notes
18:34 Aqo: the player keeps reading at 100% of his attention
18:34 ArcherLove: resting part
18:34 Aqo: so the transition feels weak
18:34 Aqo: but if you put a whole 1/1 gap there
18:34 ArcherLove: okk del
18:34 Aqo: the player's attention drops a little
18:34 Aqo: and then the note on 01:22:067 - feels more intense
18:35 ArcherLove: right
18:35 ArcherLove: great think
18:36 ArcherLove: I should find for more weak transition to make a gap
18:36 ArcherLove: I think none
18:36 ArcherLove: :U
18:37 Aqo: best way to discover those things is just playtest yourself and experiment
18:37 ArcherLove: yup
18:37 ArcherLove: me can't pass
18:37 ArcherLove: not even 1minute
18:37 Aqo: and again... just play many existing popular bms and steal idea
18:37 Aqo: ww
18:37 ArcherLove: ww
18:37 ArcherLove: for now just watch some youtube play
18:37 ArcherLove: and niconico
18:38 ArcherLove: do you want some kudosu? we can mark this as irc
18:38 ArcherLove: I study a lot lol
18:38 Aqo: sure why not :b
18:38 Aqo: it's not really an organized mod tho
18:38 ArcherLove: 1 hour full irc
18:38 ArcherLove: it's ok
18:38 Aqo: lloool
18:38 Aqo: okay 1 hour = 1 kd
18:38 Aqo: xd
18:38 ArcherLove: you gave me many suggestion and it will comes good later /o/
18:38 ArcherLove: rip
18:38 ArcherLove: <_<
18:38 Aqo: I'm looking forward to your charts
18:38 Aqo:
18:39 Aqo: just please make playable things too not just impossible stuff haha
18:39 ArcherLove: thank you very much!~
18:39 Aqo: <-- noob. can't play that hard difficulty
18:39 Aqo: x_x
18:39 ArcherLove: I'm always make easier stuff if it's too hard haha
18:39 ArcherLove: maybe I will make 2 Insane
18:39 ArcherLove: well
18:39 ArcherLove: let's just see how it's going
18:39 Aqo: just make things that fit the song
18:39 Aqo: don't think about overall difficutly when mapping
18:39 Aqo: only relative difficulty inside the chart
18:40 Aqo: i.e. intense parts etc
18:40 ArcherLove: okkk

23:51 XeoStyle: 00:59:492 (59492|5,60680|4,60680|6,60755|5,60829|4,60903|5,60977|6) -
23:51 XeoStyle: this thing is annoying to play
23:51 ArcherLove: hmm
23:52 ArcherLove: let me change the LN to the 7
23:52 XeoStyle: good idee
23:52 ArcherLove: is this good?http://puu.sh/ncYNh/2ada29b696.jpg
23:53 XeoStyle: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4561153 what about this ?]
23:54 ArcherLove: alright http://puu.sh/ncYSM/7c7d1d64c9.jpg ??
23:54 XeoStyle: ye, this pattern play good actually
23:55 ArcherLove: alright, anything else .w.?
23:56 XeoStyle: 01:16:126 -
23:57 XeoStyle: this part is uuuh :/
23:57 ArcherLove: I think that part plays well (?)
23:58 XeoStyle: for a MX level player like me, not really :/
23:58 XeoStyle: maybe ask some good 7k mappers, i'm not really good at modding 7k too x)
23:58 XeoStyle: like PyaKura <:
23:58 ArcherLove: hmm
23:58 XeoStyle: hmmmhmmhmhmm
23:59 ArcherLove: I need to make another bms-based style for filling gap between SHD and UHD I guess
23:59 ArcherLove: so people will enjoy all X diff (?)
23:59 ArcherLove: and another MX..?
23:59 ArcherLove: asdasd
23:59 XeoStyle: Some harder bms diff looks like a good idee
00:00 ArcherLove: Extra is a overjoy 3 though
00:00 ArcherLove: btw http://puu.sh/ncZen/afe910df28.jpg this is ok?
00:00 XeoStyle: where ?
00:01 XeoStyle: time pls
00:01 XeoStyle: x)
00:08 ArcherLove: hm
00:08 ArcherLove: sorry
00:08 ArcherLove: doing home chores aasd
00:08 ArcherLove: the part before
00:08 ArcherLove: when you said "not good for player MX like me"
00:08 ArcherLove: 01:16:200
00:08 ArcherLove: 01:16:200 -\
00:17 XeoStyle: OH
00:17 XeoStyle: sorry i'm gonna look right meow
00:17 ArcherLove: .
00:17 ArcherLove: haha
00:17 ArcherLove: my bad for suddenly afk asdasd
00:18 XeoStyle: yeah
00:18 XeoStyle: I kinda prefer this
00:19 ArcherLove: alright
00:19 ArcherLove: 'w')b
00:19 XeoStyle: 01:16:794 (76794|4) - to 2 ?
00:20 ArcherLove: ok
00:21 XeoStyle: humm
00:22 XeoStyle: 01:19:839 note here no ?
00:22 XeoStyle: 01:19:839- *
00:22 XeoStyle: 01:19:839 -
00:23 ArcherLove: 'w'
00:23 ArcherLove: 01:19:839 -
00:23 ArcherLove: oh
00:23 ArcherLove: I only focus on piano on that part
00:23 ArcherLove: since 01:24:591 (84591|3) - it is the reff part so
00:24 XeoStyle: okok
00:25 XeoStyle: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4561276 and https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4561285
00:25 XeoStyle: ?
00:25 XeoStyle: the trill plays really good
00:26 XeoStyle: oh you map it after
00:26 XeoStyle: my bad
00:26 XeoStyle: I'm not familliar with your mapping style my bad
00:26 XeoStyle: x)
00:27 ArcherLove: alright
00:27 ArcherLove: it's good
00:27 ArcherLove: it's still following the piano <_<
00:27 ArcherLove: why not lol
00:27 ArcherLove: since I mapped it apparently 01:38:997 (98997|3,99072|6,99146|3,99220|6) -
00:28 XeoStyle: yeah thats what I was saying
00:29 XeoStyle: everything is good for me
00:29 XeoStyle: I'm not a pro modder too, sorry, but I really enjoy the MX
00:29 XeoStyle: it's really fun with random
00:30 ArcherLove: alright XD
00:30 ArcherLove: thank you`
00:30 ArcherLove: if you want some kudos you can post @ thread :>
00:30 XeoStyle: maybe for the intro
00:31 XeoStyle: you can add a not for the cymbals
00:31 XeoStyle: or remove a note for every non-cymbal note
00:31 ArcherLove: um which one?
00:31 XeoStyle: 00:03:651 (3651|0) - like here
00:31 XeoStyle: or here 00:01:275 (1275|3) -
00:32 ArcherLove: oh the jack
00:32 ArcherLove: it's like
00:32 ArcherLove: hand balance
00:32 ArcherLove: I'd rather keep that owo
00:32 XeoStyle: I don't think adding one note is gonna destroy your hand balance
00:32 XeoStyle: anyway, as you want
00:33 ArcherLove: oh
00:33 ArcherLove: adding
00:33 ArcherLove: adding where O.O
00:33 XeoStyle: yeah
00:33 XeoStyle: for the cymbals
00:33 ArcherLove: 4 note?
00:33 XeoStyle: [00:01:275 (1275|5,1275|3,1275|0) - here] and [00:03:651 (3651|0,3651|3,3651|5) - here]
00:33 XeoStyle: rip link
00:34 XeoStyle: yeah 4 notes
00:34 XeoStyle: I think it's ok since the section is based on 3 notes for all the others
00:34 ArcherLove: lool
00:34 XeoStyle: 4 notes is gonna add some consistency for the section
00:34 ArcherLove: alright
00:34 XeoStyle: for the cymbal
00:35 ArcherLove: adding all for that part
00:35 XeoStyle: Do the same for the others ones too
00:35 ArcherLove: already
00:35 XeoStyle: good
00:36 XeoStyle: Ok, i'm gonna post the logz
00:36 ArcherLove: okk
00:36 XeoStyle: because yaykudoxdlolswag
00:36 ArcherLove: lolol

Nae's EZ
- 01:35:449 (95449|3) - Add note? There's a crash sound here, too. Like this ; 01:35:152 (95152|3,95152|0)


NM
- 00:06:043 (6043|4) - Add note? It has pretty relatively strong drumkick. -- 00:06:340 (6340|4) - Move to 6
- 00:40:795 (40795|4), 00:41:390 (41390|2) - Add note? For drumkick consistency. -- 00:41:687 (41687|2) - Move to 4
- 00:48:518 (48518|0) - Add note? Same reason with ^^^
- 00:50:003 (50003|0) - Add note? There's a crash sound here. Maybe need relatively loud hitsound.
- 01:17:330 (77330|4,77330|6) ~ 01:17:330 (77330|4,77330|6) - Too few notes among all song. Is it intentional?
- 01:51:934 (111934|6,112231|6,112528|6,112825|6) - Move to 7? Jack with 01:50:597 (110597|4) can be pretty challenging for NM players. -- 01:52:974 (112974|5) - Move to 5 -- 01:53:271 (113271|3) - Move to 3


HD
- 00:48:815 (48815|4,48815|0) ~ 00:51:191 (51191|3,51191|5) - Relatively easier than the stream from 00:53:568 (53568|5). http://puu.sh/ndwhT/5a0a58a886.png ?


IN
- 00:06:043 (6043|0) ~ 00:14:360 (14360|1,14360|6) - Fewer notes than HD. Hmm?
- 00:24:756 (24756|4) - Add LN here? (or at 1) There's a recycle-sound (what should I call it ;p) like HD.
- 00:39:607 (39607|5,39607|1) ~ 00:40:498 (40498|3) - Pretty simple. I suggest this : http://puu.sh/ndwKv/858cb8e80e.png
- 00:50:152 (50152|5) - Add note? -- 00:50:449 (50449|5) - Add note?
- 00:50:449 (50449|5) ~ 01:51:786 (111786|6,111786|4,111786|2) - Empty right-hand notes on purpose? (I suggest Ctrl+H to these 01:51:191 (111191|0,111340|1,111489|2))


MX
- 00:47:033 (47033|6) - Add note to 7? Consistency + pretty empty right-side.
- 01:26:315 (86315|6) - Add note to 7? Drumkick here. Listen carefully!
- 01:31:068 (91068|4) - Add note to 5? Same as ^^^
- 01:45:325 (105325|6) - Add note to 7? Same as ^^^ -- 01:45:474 (105474|6) - Move to 6
- 01:51:860 (111860|5) - Add note to 6? 01:50:672 (110672|3) - Here exists a note, but there isn't. I think those two have same melody-proceeding.


SC
- 00:26:761 (26761|1,26835|2,26909|3,26984|4) - Move those all 1 column left. Like these ; 00:29:211 (29211|6,29286|5,29360|4,29434|3)
- 00:39:459 (39459|1) - Add note to 2? 6 alone is pretty awkward for me.
- 00:41:835 (41835|6) - Add note to 7? Same as ^^^
- 01:26:315 (86315|5) - Add note to 6? Drumkick-sound here.
- 01:32:553 (92553|6) - Blue note on purpose? I thought it should be on red,


VHD
- 00:53:568 (53568|6) - I suggest to put 'normal note' instead of LN.


AncuL's SHD
- 01:10:647 (70647|2) - Is this a blank sound? Maybe add note to 3, here.
- 01:35:969 (95969|2,95969|3,96043|1,96043|5,96043|6) - http://puu.sh/ndxN0/1980d24f57.png ?


Extra
- 01:53:865 (113865|2,113865|6) - Pretty tricky -- http://puu.sh/ndxXI/47df697786.png ?
- 02:00:102 (120102|0) - Add note to 1?


UHD
- 01:24:385 (84385|4) - Move to 3?
- 01:35:969 (95969|3) - Add note to 4? Need pretty loud sound with high-pitched ;p


Caramel
- 01:17:033 (77033|1,77107|2,77182|3,77256|4) - Intentional 1/12 snapped LN?
- 01:21:526 (81526|2,81600|1,81674|2,81748|1) - Ctrl+J ?

Keys collumn = 1/2/3/4/5/6/7
[Caramel]
00:19:038 (19038|2) - I think it would be easier in term of reading if that LN ends here : 00:19:112 - I think it's weird if that start on blue line but keep going on next section
^ 00:16:736 (16736|5) - and 00:21:489 (21489|5) - are the respective parts before and after and you dosn't seems to make LNs holding after the white line there
00:28:543 (28543|6) - Same suggestion , it would be easier to make it end here : 00:28:617 -
00:38:493 - add another note for the piano (you could also consider the piano as one simple note and then you can just keep it one note)
[UHD]
00:36:489 (36489|3,36489|0) - I suggest moving thoose to : 00:36:637 - to follow piano instead , could make a great rythm to play imho
00:45:993 (45993|6,45993|4,45993|2) - I suggest making thoose only Simple instead of LNs , reason is cause you Layer Piano as LN and this notes are drum
^however 00:46:142 (46142|3,46142|0) - thoose ones are piano so they should be LNs
[IN]
02:00:102 (120102|3) - move to 5 ?
[NM]
01:51:934 (111934|4,112528|4) - I suggest moving thoose note to another collumn the shielding is quite hard for newcomer imo and then you can still same collumn the 3 other notes I think.

11:43 ArcherLove: hi zen
11:43 Evening: hello ~
11:43 ArcherLove: are you free right now for testplaying ?_?
11:43 Evening: oh yea sure
11:43 Evening: but not warm haha
11:44 ArcherLove: I really need honest person with his hard opinion about patter right now haha it's ok
11:44 *ArcherLove is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902327 xi - over the top]
11:44 ArcherLove: owo
11:45 Evening: which diff
11:45 Evening: can probably only play UHD now ww
11:46 ArcherLove: oh well MX and SC maybe really need your opinion ;w;)
11:46 Evening: ,_,
11:46 ArcherLove: ,_,
11:49 Evening: the 1 and 7 anchors are pretty uncomfortable
11:49 ArcherLove: wat is anchor ;_;
11:49 Evening: 01:45:845 -
11:49 Evening: you press the same key a lot of times while doing other keys
11:49 Evening: so like
11:49 Evening: 2323242424252625252
11:50 Evening: anchor on 2
11:50 ArcherLove: ah
11:50 Evening: 01:47:182 (107182|0,107256|1,107330|0,107330|2) - very awkward have to do bracket while jacking
11:50 Evening: 01:49:112 (109112|6,109187|4,109261|6,109261|5) - then tril while jacking aaa
11:51 Evening: 00:14:434 - uh missing note ?
11:51 ArcherLove: alright all part like that nerfed/changed
11:51 ArcherLove: anything else owo?
11:51 ArcherLove: -uh...right
11:51 ArcherLove: ok
11:52 Evening: mmmmmmmmmmmmm
11:52 Evening: 01:53:271 (113271|4,113271|6,113345|3,113419|5) - idk about this lol, i can play it but i can see it being rather mindblockable
11:53 ArcherLove: also kami said that MX is kind of boring
11:53 ArcherLove: can you try too?
11:53 Evening: o ok
11:53 *Evening is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/905219 xi - over the top [MX]] <osu!mania> |7K|
11:53 ArcherLove: (I already did a bit of edit from before so maybe a bit better (?))
11:55 Evening: why i keep miss
11:56 Evening: ugu overlap ,_,
11:56 ArcherLove: finger aasasa
11:56 Evening: eh idk i think it's pretty ok
11:56 Evening: SVs are kinda unpredictable though haha
11:56 ArcherLove: is it boring or anything like that?
11:56 ArcherLove: I suppose since kami said it clear
11:56 ArcherLove: "borin."
11:57 ArcherLove: ,_,
11:57 Evening: it's a pretty standard bms map imo
11:57 Evening: it isn't really incorrectly mapped but it doesn't really stand out haha
11:57 ArcherLove: alright then maybe it's better than before x:
11:57 ArcherLove: post log pls x:
11:57 Evening: eh (?)
11:58 Evening: oki
11:58 Evening: do you want me to test something else
11:58 ArcherLove: oki
11:58 ArcherLove: well this is ok
11:58 ArcherLove: or test what you can do wwww
11:58 Evening: probably can SHD
11:58 ArcherLove: since caramel is maybe a no-no for you because that is lv80 o2 pattern
11:58 *Evening is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/907420 xi - over the top [AncuL's SHD]] <osu!mania> |7K|
11:58 Evening: ww
12:01 Evening: uwuu rusty
12:01 ArcherLove: uwu

General:
00:58:023 - bad SV ww
You should increase HP for the harder diffs
SC and VHD: 8.5
Everything else harder than VHD: 9
As for OD
SHD and Extra should have OD9
UHD and Caramel OD 8 maybe

col 1-7

MX:
Fluid streams. Noice.
You can consider adding a note to stuff like this 00:28:914 - since there is a beat. Take place every 1/1. Do it if it will alleviate the "boringness" of the map.
00:30:399 (30399|4) - move to 6?
00:39:013 - check if you should chart the stream
00:41:835 (41835|4,41909|3,41984|2,42058|1) - staircase feels weird. Probably because you mostly stream for significant piano and beats for certain measure and then they merged. Case in point, delete these two 00:41:909 (41909|3,42058|1) -
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Possible route to make the diff less boring. If you don't mind revamping your layers, read this.
00:45:251 to 00:52:380 - ditch the LNs and keep a consistent stream throughout the whole buildup
If you do this, delete 00:52:380 (52380|0) - and in turn you would have to change the pattern here.
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01:33:964 - you may opt to add 2/1 LNs to keep the consistency in difficulty

01:35:449 - jadikan 2 note

01:51:934 (7) - delete note
01:52:677 - add note

00:32:776 (6) - delete note ? ngikutin pola sebelumnya

00:52:677 - jadikan 2 note
00:53:271 - ^

weshwesh
00:09:013 (9013|4,9607|4) - c'est deux là ont vraiment un son different, change en un de colonne stp
00:12:578 (12578|4,13172|4) - ^
00:59:508 (59508|6) - Je pense que ajouter une note pourrais être une bonne idée (cymbale), c'est pas forcement super intense du coup ça passe.

Propre comme diff, gégé.

00:10:795 (10795|1) - add a note ?
00:34:261 (34261|6) - ^
01:17:033 (77033|1) - Move this one to 01:16:736 - and delete 01:16:736 (76736|2) - Like on Nae's EZ.
01:21:489 (81489|1) - stop this one at 01:21:786 -
01:21:786 - add a note ?
01:51:786 - for this section, you actually put a lot of note "before" the intense part (starting at 01:52:974 - ) and not during it...

00:39:162 (39162|3) - remove ?
01:59:805 (119805|2,120102|0) - maybe change te collumn of theses two like in NM ?

good diff

00:24:830 - add a long note like HD ?
from 00:50:003 - to 00:51:191 - maybe add notes on the 1/2 ?
from 00:58:320 - to 01:00:696 - Maybe some jacks can be a good idee with the kicks ? no ?
from 01:00:696 - to 01:02:479 - ... HD is actually harder on this part lol
from 01:16:142- to 01:17:033 - ... ^

(oh god the end of the chart is actually not that easy lol)

btw why SC is easier than MX ? lol

01:20:003 (80003|6,80152|6) - maybe add notes on theses two ?

... and that it... i'm pretty terrible at modding harder diffs on 7k sorry :c