Map Ranking~?

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Jarby

NatsumeRin wrote:

the main idea is: a good map will earn point for its playing well so people would play it more and favourite more, it describes better what a map likes than a simply rating.
What I'm saying here is that play count and favourites are not good indicators of map quality. Notice how you rarely ever see English pop songs up as most played? It's not because they're mapped badly or that they aren't mapped at all, it's because Touhou songs, anime songs and the like are overwhelming popular in the community. They will typically be played more and favourited more just for the sake of them even existing as ranked maps. Even if you were trying to set up this system as "maps the community like because of their affixation with otaku music", it would be pointless because the current statistics shown accurately.

Don't you think the ranking charts are enough? They serve the same basic purpose.
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NatsumeRin

Jarby wrote:

What I'm saying here is that play count and favourites are not good indicators of map quality.
they're better indicators than a certain small group of people, from some events we can see they have a judge system that is different from others. "good maps" judged by the whole community or "good maps" judged by a small group (obviously they have the different prefers from the larger community), which one is better. and what do you think?

Jarby wrote:

Even if you were trying to set up this system as "maps the community like because of their affixation with otaku music", it would be pointless because the current statistics shown accurately.
not really, i guess you didn't read what i posted or you need to improve your math a bit.

Jarby wrote:

Don't you think the ranking charts are enough? They serve the same basic purpose.
do you think ranking chart still keeps its original purpose... oh well, say it clearly, it's "a list of maps that a small community likes and half of the maps are from this community", right? if answer is "yes", then my idea has its meaning.
Krisom
I don't think you're either reading Jarby's post accurately or your english is being accurate, but either way, I'll have to agree with Jarby (as I previously mentioned).

Yes, it is a good idea, but the community is so biased right now (for one side or the other) that it won't work.
The players and mappers who like Japanese songs just won't map or play English songs, and therefore, there's a defined style for japanese maps, same goes to English maps/mappers/players.
They day I see DJpop mappping english rock and Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku or something moe moe desu kun, and see them being rated for the maps they are and not for thesong on wich they are mapped, I'll eat these words, but as we all know, that is unlikely to happen.
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NatsumeRin

Krisom wrote:

They day I see DJpop mappping english rock and Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku or something moe moe desu kun, and see them being rated for the maps they are and not for thesong on wich they are mapped, I'll eat these words, but as we all know, that is unlikely to happen.
i guess so, rip it then.

edit: finally can't avoid it change to a mapping style discuss, *sigh.
xsrsbsns
佩服你想这些... 8-)

First off, yes rating systems are always inaccurate, happens everywhere..

Taking other stats may change things a little, but you won't really get accurate results too.

There is no need, because the system now actually reflects what the osu players think of the map (they manually rate them).
No matter the reason: the mapset, the storyboard, the song, and even biased votes - you can't really avoid this.
(what makes them happy)

We have to live with it.. That said, if a map is really good technically, people will still know it somehow, and especially the ones who matter.
RandomJibberish

Krisom wrote:

Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku .
I actually laughed out loud. Jarby's next troll song is gonna be even better than protcologist, srs
Mashley

Krisom wrote:

They day I see DJpop mappping english rock and Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku
So, 13 and 20 months ago respectively?
DNR

Krisom wrote:

They day I see DJpop mappping english rock and Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku or something moe moe desu kun
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10178
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/6596
Jarby
Guys, it's not funny when you miss the important half of the quote

Krisom wrote:

They day I see DJpop mappping english rock and Jarby mapping Hatsune Miku or something moe moe desu kun, and see them being rated for the maps they are and not for thesong on wich they are mapped, I'll eat these words, but as we all know, that is unlikely to happen.
Ephemeral
The paradigm surrounding all of the Bad Apple maps is a testament to the utter futility of any inclusive player-based ranking system - it will fail utterly and abysmally because the voting skew will always be favored towards people who enjoy the song rather than people who enjoy the map for whatever reason.

The system suggested in this thread will still be prone to the problems the current system has, and thusly there is no real reason to even consider implementing it at this time, or at any time in the foreseeable future.

Charts are the only way I could see ranking really becoming prominent, but even they need some work as right now they are very limited in scope, with beatmaps made by MAT members often composing half or more of all the maps in a chart, which is quite frankly unacceptable.
ouranhshc

Ephemeral wrote:

The paradigm surrounding all of the Bad Apple maps is a testament to the utter futility of any inclusive player-based ranking system - it will fail utterly and abysmally because the voting skew will always be favored towards people who enjoy the song rather than people who enjoy the map for whatever reason.

The system suggested in this thread will still be prone to the problems the current system has, and thusly there is no real reason to even consider implementing it at this time, or at any time in the foreseeable future.

Charts are the only way I could see ranking really becoming prominent, but even they need some work as right now they are very limited in scope, with beatmaps made by MAT members often composing half or more of all the maps in a chart, which is quite frankly unacceptable.
offtopic but, about how many MATs and BATs actually nominate maps for the charts
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NatsumeRin

ouranhshc wrote:

offtopic but, about how many MATs and BATs actually nominate maps for the charts

Zekira wrote:

Wow, DON'T CUT actually got in even if I was the only one that nominated it, haha
^happened in November Charts.
off-topic though, player-based ranking is better than relationship-based ranking.

as i said, rip it if it goes further on a wrong direction.
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