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Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-08-06T20:12:59+00:00

hi

[FrostxE's Hard]

SL 3 -> 7
00:03:399 (1,2,3) - stacking problem
00:25:811 (1,2) - blanket
00:37:458 (1,2) - too far from the centre of spinner
00:40:458 (2) - spacing
00:43:988 (3,4,5) - 01:10:282 (1,3) - 02:20:870 (1,3) - blanket
01:29:694 (5) - move downward
02:14:694 (4) - stack to 02:14:870 (5) -
02:24:399 (1,2) - 02:29:341 (3,4,1) - 02:43:458 (2,3,1) - 02:47:517 (2,3,4) - 02:50:694 (6,1) - 02:57:223 (5,6) - spacing?????????????????????
02:25:635 (4) - move to 02:24:929 (2) - left side
02:57:752 (6) - excuse me?????
remap pls

[Gyro's Light Insane]

00:04:988 (3) - 00:07:811 (3) - 00:10:635 (3) - 間距要麼大點要麼近一點
00:19:811 (4) - 00:25:811 (1,2) - 00:27:047 (1,3) - 00:43:635 (3,4) - 00:44:870 (5,1) - 02:36:047 (2,1) - blanket好一點
03:10:458 (4,5,1) - 前面太多三連，這裡突然1/2堆疊不太好
03:12:399 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - 排列太sb了……
SV太慢了，Light Insane 也不該用1.2，不過現在也不好改。然後細節有待改善，比如blanket和DS，注意一下就能有明顯提升了

[Saika's Insane]

00:55:282 (1,3) - overlap了點
好

[Jasmine]

03:11:870 (4,5) - 疊錯了，看一下前面一樣的梗
好

主難度次難度都不錯，但是Hard不行，Light Insane還能接，歌不錯給個星，然後我鴿了

Frostmourne

osu! Alumni

3,733 posts

Joined November 2009

Frostmourne 2017-08-08T17:16:33+00:00

Zero__wind wrote:
FrostxE's Hard
00:04:458 (5,6) - consider replacing them with a 1/2 slider? since the note at 6 is kinda weak in the music, same for 00:10:105 (5,6) - changed to back and forth to fit music (I think slider isn't suiting for this part)
00:10:635 (7) - why no whistle on head nice catch
00:38:517 (3,4) - can make a better blanket here done
01:38:870 (1) - don't really think the NC is necessary removed
01:43:811 (1) - ^ removed
02:30:929 (4,5) - this jump might a bit too big my bad
03:16:458 (5) - the red node slider seems kinda abrupt imo, maybe just use white node changed to a curved slider

Mir wrote:
[FrostxE's Hard]
This entire diff makes no sense to me. The NCing and the rhythm mostly. I don't really understand to what instrument/sound/phrases you're NCing to like for example 02:58:282 (8,1,2) - where 8 should have the NC by conventional logic since it's the start of a new musical measure but you NC'd the note afterwards?then you didn't do it for 03:00:752 (8,1) - despite the vocals also starting a new phrase for both of these instances. 03:06:576 (1,2) - Doesn't really make sense either since 2 is clearly stronger than 1 but you opted to switch the NCs instead. 03:07:988 (5,1) - Same goes for here. 02:10:282 (6) - Is for some reason not NC'd despite being a clear change in tone and structure of the music but instead the note after it is NC'd. 01:38:870 (1,2,3,1) - Is NC'd but 02:49:458 (1,2,3,4) - isn't?

Some explanation here would be cool because a lot of this stuff happens on and off everywhere.
No explanation here and I tried to fix the whole map. Hope it is better now.

As for rhythm 03:13:282 (6,9) - have two different forms of emphasis, you use delayed emphasis for 6 through having the downbeat on the reverse but for 9 you have it land on the end? In the first kiai 01:24:752 (6) - it's somewhat consistent with 01:30:399 (6) - 01:40:105 (2) - but 01:36:047 (7,1) - doesn't follow the same concept. 02:30:047 - Being the strongest note isn't clickable compared to how 02:30:223 (1,2,3) - are and the end of 02:52:282 (3) - is strong but not even on a reverse or anything.
I fixed all rhythms to try to follow all steps you explained and what found to be inconsistent. Hope it is better.

Kencho wrote:
[FrostxE's Hard]
SL 3 -> 7 done
00:03:399 (1,2,3) - stacking problem fixed
00:25:811 (1,2) - blanket I don't see problem in it
00:37:458 (1,2) - too far from the centre of spinner what is this mod? and where is the ranking criteria for it?
00:40:458 (2) - spacing fixed
00:43:988 (3,4,5) - 01:10:282 (1,3) - 02:20:870 (1,3) - blanket I didn't have intention for blanketing them in the first place and it resulted in the worse flow to me
01:29:694 (5) - move downward move to? and why? no change because no explanation here
02:14:694 (4) - stack to 02:14:870 (5) - to head or tail and why?
02:24:399 (1,2) - 02:29:341 (3,4,1) - 02:43:458 (2,3,1) - 02:47:517 (2,3,4) - 02:50:694 (6,1) - 02:57:223 (5,6) - spacing?????????????????????
1st - fixed
2nd - it's going to be chorus and getting higher pitch, I don't see problem in raising spacing a little bit to emphasize them in "Hard". It is neither Normal nor Easy.
3rd - similar to above, higher pitch at its peak fits within higher reasonable spacing
4th - similar to above, higher pitch at its peak fits within higher reasonable spacing
5th - similar to above, higher pitch at its peak fits within higher reasonable spacing
6th - similar to above, higher pitch at its peak fits within higher reasonable spacing
02:25:635 (4) - move to 02:24:929 (2) - left side fixed from the previous mod
02:57:752 (6) - excuse me????? care to explain the reason why is it a problem first?
remap pls I'm not sure if I need to be serious or not but maybe you could have explained a little more why fixes from your mods are necessary, and reasons to support along rather than telling other to remap right away. I cannot believe you are actually a BN. This is a joke, though it is as funny as none.

Thanks for modding!

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@Pinkheart, could you please change my diff name to Frostmourne's Hard? though the code above already fixed it

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-08-09T09:30:37+00:00

@Frostmourne I feel apologetic for no any explanation to say 'remap pls'. And let you doubt I'm a BN. Well actually I mean the quality is not enough at all. 2 days ago I just meetup with some mappers and we modded this set together, so I haven't not much time to go through the map in detail. Maybe I should give you a detail mod later. I first time look for this diff just let me feel really bad, I mean the patterns and the detail of objects. It seems like random objects random patterns with no any aesthetics to say. Also the NCs, Blankets, Spacing and overlapping. And many patterns seems not comfortable at Hard diffs. I don't know is this was your mapping styles or not, but I don't think styles like this can rank the map successfully right now, at least for me. It seems like a bit subjective, but I think many mappers include BNs will agree with me.

Frostmourne

osu! Alumni

3,733 posts

Joined November 2009

Frostmourne 2017-08-09T09:49:27+00:00

Kencho wrote:
@Frostmourne I feel apologetic for no any explanation to say 'remap pls'. And let you doubt I'm a BN. Well actually I mean the quality is not enough at all. 2 days ago I just meetup with some mappers and we modded this set together, so I haven't not much time to go through the map in detail. Maybe I should give you a detail mod later. I first time look for this diff just let me feel really bad, I mean the patterns and the detail of objects. It seems like random objects random patterns with no any aesthetics to say. Also the NCs, Blankets, Spacing and overlapping. And many patterns seems not comfortable at Hard diffs. I don't know is this was your mapping styles or not, but I don't think styles like this can rank the map successfully right now, at least for me. It seems like a bit subjective, but I think many mappers include BNs will agree with me.

I could understand what you come from but then saying to someone to remap without detailed explanation is still what you should be ashamed as a BN. Also it's all your own opinion regarding beatmap quality in question. I actually don't mind being told to fix to follow 2017 mapping trend unless I find mine better, I will explain what I think and we will get to it later if it is not acceptable.

@Kencho I fixed all NCs problem in Mir's mod, hope you could check and do a detailed mod. If you aren't going to bother with it, PinkHeart could decide whetherr he wants to find a new BN or remove my diff. No hard feeling at all

Fia

Topic Starter

Fia 2017-08-09T09:53:35+00:00

lol don't be mad frost :3
kencho's mod was done at 3 am in hotel with me. he was too tired to make detailed explanations about some points at that time. i'm really sorry for those unclear short mods.
i can also give explanations of the mod if necessary. i still remember most of them we talked about ._.

(and it's me said that "why not say remap plz if you got stunned after modding a map". really sorry for that.)

Frostmourne

osu! Alumni

3,733 posts

Joined November 2009

Frostmourne 2017-08-09T10:00:58+00:00

PinkHeart wrote:
lol don't be mad frost :3
kencho's mod was done at 3 am in hotel with me. he was too tired to make detailed explanations about some points at that time. i'm really sorry for those unclear short mods.
i can also give explanations of the mod if necessary. i still remember most of them we talked about ._.

You are free to remove my diff if you bother finding a new one as I think taking a modding process will slow your ranking down.

KaedekaShizuru

625 posts

Joined January 2013

KaedekaShizuru 2017-08-09T10:31:37+00:00

I have a look on Frost's Hard just now.
indeed, there are some issues need to fix, like:

Kencho wrote:
00:43:988 (3,4,5) - 01:10:282 (1,3) - 02:20:870 (1,3) - blanket
01:29:694 (5) - move downward

yes, if these can blanket would more comfortable, I find more imperfect blanket and stack like01:51:047 (4,5)、02:38:164 (7,1) 、02:51:576 (1,3) 、03:00:752 (8,1) 、02:56:694 (4,5)、03:17:694 (3,4);

others, like:

Kencho wrote:
00:37:458 (1,2) - too far from the centre of spinner
02:24:399 (1,2) - 02:29:341 (3,4,1) - 02:43:458 (2,3,1) - 02:47:517 (2,3,4) - 02:50:694 (6,1) - 02:57:223 (5,6) - spacing?????????????????????
02:57:752 (6) - excuse me?????

these three really unnecessary, hard diff no need to be so strict like normal and easy diff, they are looks good here and I believe players can enjoy.

and, "remap pls" is the became the biggest flaw in this mod.
锋哥你这就不地道了喂

last, some of my own opinion:
00:09:399 (3) - hmmm, if this slider has a little radian would be fine? https://puu.sh/x5AyO/a53606e607.jpg then 00:09:929 (4,5,6) need fine tuning.
01:00:223 - I can hear here has a light tone so I think 01:00:047 (1) can be a 1/4 slider end here. 2 circle let me feel strange
02:10:635 (1) - ↑
03:12:399 (3,4) - I think here following a wrong rhythm, especially the 03:12:576 (4), but hmmm....u switch to vocal and then back? maybe too suddenly.
good luck senpai~

Last edited by KaedekaShizuru 2017-08-09T11:39:58+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-08-09T10:42:46+00:00

3 am at hotel

yf_bmp

Elite Storyboarder II / Elite Mapper

1,630 posts

Joined December 2011

yf_bmp 2017-08-09T11:06:51+00:00

Hello frost

Well i'm also the guy who was modding that time.

First, we recognize the modding that night is not serious, and not responsible for a bn, or even a modder. We didn't express our true idea. That makes you angry.
imo it's just a misunderstand.

We discussed your map, and found the most serious problem is: details, especially the spacing (not the jump).
Kencho wrote "remap pls" in the end, that was my joke in words.

Why that is "remap"? No, not truly remap. But there were too many detail problems, even we can find out them everywhere. You can easily to fix them by like moving 1px down or something, so "need remap" is my joke, but a true comment.

I think there is no need for me to point out each detail but, pls consider the next kencho's mod.
Thanks for your understanding.

Gyro Zeppeli

94 posts

Joined January 2014

Gyro Zeppeli 2017-08-09T19:37:07+00:00

需要全部复制修改

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360,80,166811,1,0,0:0:0:0:
344,92,166899,1,0,0:0:0:0:
332,112,166988,6,0,P|328:148|356:188,1,70,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,260,167341,1,0,1:0:0:0:
408,260,167517,1,0,3:0:0:0:
320,320,167694,2,0,L|312:360,2,35,0|0|0,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
256,236,168047,1,0,3:0:0:0:
180,284,168223,6,0,P|108:304|52:272,1,140,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
36,192,168752,1,0,1:0:0:0:
92,120,168929,2,0,L|104:48,1,70,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,136,169282,5,0,0:0:0:0:
136,204,169458,1,0,1:0:0:0:
192,56,169635,1,0,0:0:0:0:
280,32,169811,6,0,B|312:48|312:48|348:52,1,70,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
436,40,170164,1,0,3:0:0:0:
460,128,170341,1,0,3:0:0:0:
456,152,170429,1,0,3:0:0:0:
464,176,170517,2,0,P|472:212|464:248,1,70,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,308,170870,1,0,3:0:0:0:
308,308,171047,6,0,P|240:304|168:336,1,140,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
84,340,171576,2,0,P|48:344|12:328,1,70,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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84,112,172282,1,0,1:0:0:0:
156,56,172458,1,0,0:0:0:0:
180,60,172547,1,0,0:0:0:0:
204,60,172635,6,0,P|244:60|280:48,1,70,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
364,36,172988,1,0,1:0:0:0:
452,60,173164,1,0,0:0:0:0:
476,148,173341,2,0,P|480:180|476:220,1,70,0|0,3:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
400,268,173694,1,0,1:0:0:0:
316,300,173870,6,0,B|268:308|268:308|240:332|240:332|184:344,1,140,0|0,3:0|2:0,0:0:0:0:
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136,144,174752,1,0,1:0:0:0:
188,28,174929,1,0,1:0:0:0:
300,80,175105,1,0,1:0:0:0:
264,188,175282,1,0,1:0:0:0:
264,188,175458,6,0,P|232:216|228:312,1,140,4|4,1:0|0:2,0:0:0:0:
328,340,175987,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,340,176075,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,340,176164,2,0,L|308:256,1,70,0|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
372,196,176517,1,0,0:0:0:0:
452,256,176693,2,0,P|468:184|440:124,1,140,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,56,177223,6,0,L|308:64,1,70,0|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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441,125,177928,1,2,1:3:0:0:
384,204,178104,1,0,0:0:0:0:
380,212,178192,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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224,288,178634,1,2,1:3:0:0:
304,344,178811,1,0,3:0:0:0:
304,344,178899,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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448,272,179340,1,0,0:0:0:0:
472,184,179517,6,0,L|440:44,1,140,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,36,180046,2,0,B|360:72|360:72|356:112,1,70,0|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
316,188,180399,2,0,L|324:264,1,70,0|0,0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
384,328,180752,5,0,1:3:0:0:
358,344,180840,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,349,180928,1,0,0:0:0:0:
299,343,181016,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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136,244,181458,1,2,3:0:0:0:
136,152,181634,1,0,3:0:0:0:
188,76,181811,2,0,P|220:64|260:68,1,70,0|0,3:0|0:3,0:0:0:0:
340,96,182164,1,0,1:0:0:0:
444,108,182340,1,4,0:1:0:0:
444,108,182428,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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280,336,183223,2,0,P|248:312|212:308,1,70
132,336,183575,1,0,1:3:0:0:
64,276,183752,1,0,0:0:0:0:
73,249,183840,1,0,0:0:0:0:
92,226,183928,6,0,P|124:196|164:188,1,70,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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200,120,184811,1,0,0:1:0:0:
212,88,184899,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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452,236,185693,6,0,L|384:284,1,70,0|0,1:3|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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133,300,186487,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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268,100,187281,1,0,0:0:0:0:
292,116,187370,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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464,176,187811,1,0,3:0:0:0:
388,228,187987,6,0,B|348:236|324:272|324:272|292:252|280:220,1,140,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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64,248,188870,2,0,L|140:256,1,70,0|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
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232,276,189487,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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412,308,189928,1,2,1:3:0:0:
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408,184,190458,1,0,3:0:0:0:
328,140,190634,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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60,296,191517,6,0,B|92:288|92:288|132:256,1,70
104,124,191870,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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176,184,192223,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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364,136,192752,1,2,3:0:0:0:
436,188,192928,1,0,3:0:0:0:
440,204,193017,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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344,316,193458,1,0,1:3:0:0:
260,348,193634,6,0,B|212:320|156:344|156:344|108:344|68:288,1,210,4|0,0:0|1:3,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,198576,12,0,202282,0:0:0:0:

Kencho wrote:
[Gyro's Light Insane]
00:04:988 (3) - 00:07:811 (3) - 00:10:635 (3) - 間距要麼大點要麼近一點 FIX
00:19:811 (4) - 00:25:811 (1,2) - 00:27:047 (1,3) - 00:43:635 (3,4) - 00:44:870 (5,1) - 02:36:047 (2,1) - blanket好一點 FIX
03:10:458 (4,5,1) - 前面太多三連，這裡突然1/2堆疊不太好疏忽了，FIX
03:12:399 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - 排列太sb了…… 已經發現太過於SV...
SV太慢了，Light Insane 也不該用1.2，不過現在也不好改。然後細節有待改善，比如blanket和DS，注意一下就能有明顯提升了還是改了，細節修正了一些，不知道現在適合不適合

Last edited by Gyro Zeppeli 2017-08-10T15:36:02+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Delis

1,433 posts

Joined May 2012

Delis 2017-08-10T00:45:32+00:00

You all don't need to excuse the obvious mistakes such as the word "remap pls" (or even better call it a meme) nor the reason why the mod being too insufficient for the mapper to understand what you wanted to explain there, but an apology.

About the map itself, it's pretty fine as is while some of patterns can use polish in my sight as well (for an example, 01:25:988 (2) - its angle can be less because that feels kind of too much for the flow through the map. But first of all that's a subjective opinion, which will never be an issue. Since the people here seem to count blanket or whatever as an issue, what the fuck, ok this is seriously not true. As for mapping, the minor aesthetics such as blanket, inconsistent spacing (like x0.1 difference) are something I believe players will never care of, but only the mappers will. The points where kencho pointed out like the part "spacing pls???????????????", I don't really understand what they meant to be so I assume that meant that the spacing was unnecessarily large which ignores the logic of "emphasis" in today's mapping meta. If I assumed it right, that's not really the modders have to care of since I do really believe emphasis in mapping isn't A MUST.

Since Frostmourne is an old mapper who does know the history of mapping in old days, he knows the way to map without doing a specific emphasis for the drums. Although I also know mapping without proper emphasis may be bad for those newer modders / mappers so I can understand why people always getting tilted by looking at maps without proper emphasis, my maps included. (in the case, proper emphasis means jumps didn't properly get placed to the strong drums such as cymbal, snares.) But... But the mapping without emphasis also can really make sense to the entire game because if all the mappers tried to emphasis all the sounds in proper way, every map in this game would be plain, and boring (is it a bad word here xD). Ok these were kind of pointless words, what I meant is the points you guys provided wouldn't be issues unless they objectively broke the flow, or "his mapping" so I don't think your wise words for being nitpicky make sense.

tbh I haven't spoken this for my friend, all of them are in my opinion after all. Since Kencho were saying something the diff could be unable to get ranked, have my 2 cents, from a BN who's off of today's mapping trend.

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-08-10T02:22:56+00:00

Lets check it again in detail

[Frostmourne's Hard]

00:09:047 (8) - Probably need to add NC because the previous patterns you NC at every 2 big white tick.
00:42:752 (1,2) - Since you replied "I don't see problem in it", I think you don't know how to make a clean blanket. There is a easy way to make a clean blanket. You may see the approachcircle on circle or slider head. Then, just see the approachcircle to blanket (see my screenshot). Now, the blanket is perfect. In addition, you can see the counter at upper right corner, which would show the object distance between previous one and next one for you. When you blanket object, just add a circle or slider next to the being blanket object, then see the number on the counter, if the number remains the same as which it was just now, the blanket is perfect.
https://puu.sh/x69IS/a28dabc103.png <-- Your original pattern.
https://puu.sh/x69J6/9cb4e8439d.png <-- Clean blanket.
https://puu.sh/x6akB/47432e8cc8.png <-- Add a circle next to being blanket object, at 00:43:811 -
https://puu.sh/x6alb/ec77e658b2.png <-- ^
https://puu.sh/x6akh/d023ee2430.png <-- the number of prev and next are the same, so the blanket is perfect now.
00:45:576 (1,2) - Some places like this you can make a clean blanket for now.
00:48:399 (9,1) - Swap NC, you should always NC on big white tick. And I also see that you moved the NCs backward for 1/1 beat start from 00:48:929 - to 01:05:341 - . But the previous part (00:37:105 - to 00:45:576 - ) you didn't. I can't see any reasons that why you move the NCs backward, so what is your thought when you adding NCs?
01:10:282 (6,7,1) - I think the spacing a bit large here because they are 1/2 empty beat but 01:09:929 (5,6) - are 1/1. Player will easily to read the object wrong when the rhythm changed but the spacing didn't. As the Ranking Criteria:
Guidelines of Hard Difficulty wrote:
"Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing. Spacing variation through jumps on points of emphasis are encouraged, but only if these jumps are recognizably different from 1/1 gaps."
01:18:752 (7,8) - ^
Also the NCs problem of 01:47:694 - to 02:13:105 -
02:14:694 (4,5) - First time I said "stack to 02:14:870 (5) - " just want to fix spacing problem between 02:14:694 (4,5) - , but now I see you have the same stacking idea at 01:03:223 (1,2) - so 02:13:811 (3,4) - are looks good for now. But the spacing problem still here. At the previous part 01:04:105 (2,3) - they have about 1.3x DS but 02:14:694 (4,5) - there are 2.3x DS which a big spacing on Hard diffs. So you may move 02:14:870 (5) - close to 02:14:694 (4) - , for example: https://puu.sh/x6c3o/812eef5188.png
02:20:870 (6,7,1) - The spacing problem I mentioned above. Since there are copy and paste 01:10:282 (6,7,1) -
03:00:752 (9,1) - Make a clean blanket
03:06:399 (7,8) - The spacing too big imo, you can try this: https://puu.sh/x6cpV/2446b4971d.png
h
02:43:458 (6,7,1) - Same problem as 01:10:282 (6,7,1) -
03:12:929 (2,3) - ^ but too small, how about this: https://puu.sh/x6cte/c0b9cda97b.png
03:14:164 (4,5,6) - ^ https://puu.sh/x6cuG/ae0fa7b828.png

At last, I apologize again to said "remap pls" because of some kind of meme. I just mean the quality not enough for me. Well, here is the mod that I focus on the spacing, particulars and a minor aesthetics, but not much for rhythm and flow kinda like emphasis the objects as Delis said. I think you have your own idea for mapping this map, but as the Hard diff, that style not my favorite type. In my opinon, you may pretty good on mapping Insane+ diffs but not Hard diffs. Anyway, I have a bit OCD so I really concern the particulars for any map. So, I hope you can make more particulars on your map as well.

Fia

Topic Starter

Fia 2017-08-30T16:26:36+00:00

Kencho wrote:
Lets check it again in detail
[Frostmourne's Hard]
00:48:399 (9,1) - Swap NC, you should always NC on big white tick. And I also see that you moved the NCs backward for 1/1 beat start from 00:48:929 - to 01:05:341 - . But the previous part (00:37:105 - to 00:45:576 - ) you didn't. I can't see any reasons that why you move the NCs backward, so what is your thought when you adding NCs? nc我自己看了在按排列下的基础上统一了一下
01:10:282 (6,7,1) - I think the spacing a bit large here because they are 1/2 empty beat but 01:09:929 (5,6) - are 1/1. Player will easily to read the object wrong when the rhythm changed but the spacing didn't. As the Ranking Criteria:
Guidelines of Hard Difficulty wrote:
"Avoid visually similar 1/2 and 1/1 spacing. Spacing variation through jumps on points of emphasis are encouraged, but only if these jumps are recognizably different from 1/1 gaps."
改了改反正看着不一样了
01:18:752 (7,8) - ^
Also the NCs problem of 01:47:694 - to 02:13:105 -
02:14:694 (4,5) - First time I said "stack to 02:14:870 (5) - " just want to fix spacing problem between 02:14:694 (4,5) - , but now I see you have the same stacking idea at 01:03:223 (1,2) - so 02:13:811 (3,4) - are looks good for now. But the spacing problem still here. At the previous part 01:04:105 (2,3) - they have about 1.3x DS but 02:14:694 (4,5) - there are 2.3x DS which a big spacing on Hard diffs. So you may move 02:14:870 (5) - close to 02:14:694 (4) - , for example: https://puu.sh/x6c3o/812eef5188.png 我给nerf到2了
感觉放在听过一遍的节奏里不是什么大问题
03:06:399 (7,8) - The spacing too big imo, you can try this: https://puu.sh/x6cpV/2446b4971d.png 我感觉还好
03:12:929 (2,3) - ^ but too small, how about this: https://puu.sh/x6cte/c0b9cda97b.png 看着还行啊打起来反正差不太多
03:14:164 (4,5,6) - ^ https://puu.sh/x6cuG/ae0fa7b828.png 方向不要改比较好我把俩滑条形状扭了
At last, I apologize again to said "remap pls" because of some kind of meme. I just mean the quality not enough for me. Well, here is the mod that I focus on the spacing, particulars and a minor aesthetics, but not much for rhythm and flow kinda like emphasis the objects as Delis said. I think you have your own idea for mapping this map, but as the Hard diff, that style not my favorite type. In my opinon, you may pretty good on mapping Insane+ diffs but not Hard diffs. Anyway, I have a bit OCD so I really concern the particulars for any map. So, I hope you can make more particulars on your map as well.

Frostmourne wrote:
I am on long hiatus for my work and won't be able to have an access to osu on my end (see my activity) until I can find a free time which I can't tell when so feel free to abandon my diff or fix all of them yourself if you would like to do so.

So here's reply. Will finish replying other mods in these days...

pishifat

osu! Paragon

3,802 posts

Joined August 2013

pishifat 2017-09-23T23:16:30+00:00

top
00:37:105 (1) - 00:48:399 (1) - 00:58:635 (1) - include finishes like 01:47:694 - this section does
02:42:929 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - 03:16:811 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - kind of confused by how you're emphasizing sounds. these groupings prioritize red ticks, while 01:32:517 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - prioritizes white ticks, which is weird when music is the same. rearranging some jumps/comboing to favor white ticks as the song supports might be the best choice here
02:09:047 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - vs 00:58:635 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same concern aaa

gyro
01:01:811 (3) - seems like a hitsounding mistake
01:20:517 (9) - should use higher volume for the tail. can reduce for the spinner though. 02:31:105 (8) - does it right
02:42:399 (5,1) - 03:04:987 (5) - either use rhythm that emphasizes that red tick, or hitsound to make the white tick important. song has cymbal on whtie tick anyway
03:18:047 (1) - finsihhhhhh

frost
very inconsistent with finish usage in 00:11:694 - this section. should add finishes on: 00:15:752 (4) - 00:18:223 (3) - (head and tail here) 00:20:164 (1) -
00:32:694 (4,5) - these two should swap finishes
00:20:694 (2,3) - should use bigger spacing so as to not confuse this with 1/1. easily misinterpretable after a 1/2 jump
01:09:752 (4,5,6,7,1) - 02:20:341 (4,5,6,7) - similar. can move 5 to the right so 1/1 is clearly bigger than 1/2. some previous mod already said it and i agree with them
01:19:105 (8) - choose a proper rhythm like before the second kiai 02:29:694 (8,1) - . slidertail emphasis thing only really works when there's 1/1 or larger gap afterwards
01:22:635 (1,2,3,4,5) - uhhhh kinda going overboard with spacing on 3,4,5 lol. should use some pattern that doesnt go more than double average distance snap
03:14:870 (6) - either downbeat should be clickable, or there should be a 1/1 gap after the tail. as said earlier, continuous 1/2 rhythm makes slidertail emphasis suck

call me back!!!

Gyro Zeppeli

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Joined January 2014

Gyro Zeppeli 2017-09-24T00:43:41+00:00

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pishifat wrote:
gyro
01:01:811 (3) - seems like a hitsounding mistake fix
01:20:517 (9) - should use higher volume for the tail. can reduce for the spinner though. 02:31:105 (8) - does it right ok, i fix that
02:42:399 (5,1) - 03:04:987 (5) - either use rhythm that emphasizes that red tick, or hitsound to make the white tick important. song has cymbal on whtie tick anyway ok, i change the slider
03:18:047 (1) - finsihhhhhh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Fia

Topic Starter

Fia 2017-09-24T17:49:07+00:00

Mir wrote:
return m4m
[General]
- Are these used?
drum-sliderslide24.wav removed
normal-hitfinish24.wav added some to saika's diff
[Normal]
- 00:12:929 - So this starts off being unclickable which it really could be clickable with two circles. But then comes an inconsistency with 00:22:988 (1,2,3) - which is these same rhythm in the song but the finish ends up clickable? Maybe consider making the first rhythm two circles so it's all clickable throughout the intro. I spoke a bit with UC and he suggested that the 3/2 rhythm gap is also a form of emphasis, but that gap is closed for the latter part of the intro as well so it again looks inconsistent since the song hasn't changed very much but the rhythm structure and emphasis usage changed completely.

Another way you can make this inconsistency look less like an inconsistency and more like a variation is alternating the rhythm every so often so it's not two distinct sections with two different rhythms but rather one section with some variations.

Yeah the rhythm is a variation. More of it I'd like to produce 2 paragraphs here in order to reduce the boredom because of repetition, which is from the song itself. I think it makes more sense than simply following these repeating rhythms.

- 02:10:282 (1,2,1,2) - Double reverses are not exactly recommended for a Normal difficulty since players may not be able to react to them fast enough. Reverse + circle here would fit fine imo just to avoid potential misreads. It's even more strange you decided to opt for double repeats here when 02:15:929 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - doesn't use any but has very similar rhythm. It's quite difference for not such a big change in the song imo. To make it more readable you could just not map the red tick before it so the repeat arrow isn't so obscure.

sure.

- 02:06:576 (3) - Would suggest ending this on the red slider since I assume you're trying to follow vocals? Referencing 02:03:047 (2,3) -

agree.

The rest seems fine I'm just kinda on the fence about the intro rhythm.

[Saika's Insane]
- 01:02:517 (1) - Maybe could use more emphasis? Slight spacing? A jump begin from this note could emphasize it too imo.
- 01:40:988 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - I feel like there's a lot of circles here where sliders could be used for vocals that are held on 01:40:988 (2,4,6) - or so. // 03:02:870 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Same thing here kinda. Circles are used in order to accompany with Normal-sample hitsounds here. Sliders gives a kind of continuous feeling which won't really match its hitsounds.
- 02:30:576 (1,2,3,4,5) - This may be too much of a difficulty spike, especially considering the first pre-kiai only had 01:19:458 (1,2,3,4) - so it's kinda unexpected to suddenly throw such a high spacing stream in. Considering the low cs setting, short spaced streams may not produce too much difficulty.
- 02:49:458 (5) - Seems like two circles could fit here.

[Jasmine]
- 00:10:105 (1,2) - Repeat on two is fairly hidden, but I don't know how I'd go about fixing it. Same to me... Flow is more important imo so I'd like to keep it now.
- 01:24:576 (4) - Mmm not a fan of how the tail is significantly stronger than the head. I feel like two circles might work here but I'd rather hear your reasoning for this. I just didn't feel it matters at that time... Changed for more elaborate mapping.

I mean the rest looks okay, I really like this diff. The rest of the set though... umm

~

Kencho wrote:
hi
主難度次難度都不錯，但是Hard不行，Light Insane還能接，歌不錯給個星，然後我鴿了

主次难度都改了

pishifat wrote:
top
00:37:105 (1) - 00:48:399 (1) - 00:58:635 (1) - include finishes like 01:47:694 - this section does ok
02:42:929 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - 03:16:811 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - kind of confused by how you're emphasizing sounds. these groupings prioritize red ticks, while 01:32:517 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - prioritizes white ticks, which is weird when music is the same. rearranging some jumps/comboing to favor white ticks as the song supports might be the best choice here Actually I just wanted to make these two part simplified to match (or emphasize) those stop-and-go patterns in kiais by using constant 1/2 jumps. Rearranged some ncs and jumps to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding.
02:09:047 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - vs 00:58:635 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same concern aaa rearranged these parts

frost
very inconsistent with finish usage in 00:11:694 - this section. should add finishes on: 00:15:752 (4) - 00:18:223 (3) - (head and tail here) 00:20:164 (1) - checked his finish usage, I guess he considered 00:15:752 - as different sound from 00:12:576 - . made some consistent arrange based on that.
00:32:694 (4,5) - these two should swap finishes tried swap and found current finish sounds better
00:20:694 (2,3) - should use bigger spacing so as to not confuse this with 1/1. easily misinterpretable after a 1/2 jump fixed
01:09:752 (4,5,6,7,1) - 02:20:341 (4,5,6,7) - similar. can move 5 to the right so 1/1 is clearly bigger than 1/2. some previous mod already said it and i agree with them sure
01:19:105 (8) - choose a proper rhythm like before the second kiai 02:29:694 (8,1) - . slidertail emphasis thing only really works when there's 1/1 or larger gap afterwards fixed
01:22:635 (1,2,3,4,5) - uhhhh kinda going overboard with spacing on 3,4,5 lol. should use some pattern that doesnt go more than double average distance snap changed 4's direction
03:14:870 (6) - either downbeat should be clickable, or there should be a 1/1 gap after the tail. as said earlier, continuous 1/2 rhythm makes slidertail emphasis suck ok, used 1/2 sliders

call me back!!!

Thanks for modding!!!

楼上我球球你你怎么又把一堆unsnapped滑条改回去了我给你修了

pishifat

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pishifat 2017-09-24T21:29:17+00:00

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Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-09-24T21:35:07+00:00

I like this bg tbh

Fia

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Fia 2017-09-24T21:50:23+00:00

Thanks pishfat!
I like it too. One of p19's awesome early works.

Gyro Zeppeli

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Gyro Zeppeli 2017-09-24T22:58:54+00:00

PinkHeart wrote:
楼上我球球你你怎么又把一堆unsnapped滑条改回去了我给你修了

有吗？？？？

Narcissu

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Narcissu 2017-09-25T08:36:05+00:00

你拿我老婆當背景之前問過我老婆同意了嗎

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這是老娘親手揉大的歐派。我的意思是rule 改了你可以用規格稍微大一點的……我裁了個大白腿多一點的你看看要不要用

SPOILER

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Fushimi Rio

Fushimi Rio 2017-09-25T08:44:16+00:00

你可醒醒吧胸那么大怎么可能是你老婆

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-09-25T08:51:03+00:00

add frostmourne to tags and fix description

found this for metadata http://metrowing.main.jp/alice/
but shouldn't "jasumin" be capitalized?
or even changed to "Jasmine" because of

Loan words should be expressed using romanisation from the original language.

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria#metadata

jasmine
00:35:605 (2,1) - not really sure what to think about this actually lol. I mean it still plays "alright" due to sliderhead timing window, but it seems a bit out of place to just have this really spaced active 1/4 gap there
I mean 01:46:194 (3,1) - uses a similar concept, but with much lower spacing

saika
00:00:400 - red line should be 50%volume here, like green
02:30:576 (1,2,3,4,5) - might be nice to tone this down a bit? it's the hardest 5note stream spacing wise since all other streams in the map overlap, even the ones at the peaks of intense chorus parts
02:44:694 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this looks pretty out of place with all the other much more organized looking stream shapes, maybe something like https://i.imgur.com/huQVa7o.jpg could work?

gyro
01:47:694 (1) - 01:47:694 (1) -00:48:399 (1) - 01:58:988 (1) - shouldn't these have finish?

frost
00:20:164 (1,2) - stack is really noticeably broken here

normal
02:54:752 (5) - don't think this needs to be a short repeat since it looks like you never really used them before, so suddenly after 3 minutes will probably tilt new players, could just be a 1/2 slider

should be all

Gyro Zeppeli

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Gyro Zeppeli 2017-09-25T10:32:44+00:00

Lasse wrote:
gyro
01:47:694 (1) - 01:47:694 (1) -00:48:399 (1) - 01:58:988 (1) - shouldn't these have finish? only Whistle is ok, if have finish it is not good for listen

Fia

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Fia 2017-09-25T13:44:00+00:00

Lasse wrote:
saika
02:30:576 (1,2,3,4,5) - might be nice to tone this down a bit? it's the hardest 5note stream spacing wise since all other streams in the map overlap, even the ones at the peaks of intense chorus parts I feel it's fine since it's cs3.5 here. Increased former triples' spacing to give an intro for it.
02:44:694 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this looks pretty out of place with all the other much more organized looking stream shapes, maybe something like https://i.imgur.com/huQVa7o.jpg could work? Referring to his reply to other mods I think he intended to make this kind of hard shapes. Personally I think it's acceptable.

Others were fixed (And changed bg to higher resolution). Thanks for modding!

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-09-25T14:46:34+00:00

saika's diff was using silenced sliderslide+tick samples in the intro which have been replaced with 10% green lines now

was going to rebubble anyways since metadata was changed

pishifat

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pishifat 2017-10-01T01:25:05+00:00

02:44:738 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Um

Delis

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Delis 2017-10-01T02:30:53+00:00

as long as the link lasse had is correct the title is stil missing smh? 月 must be added to the title in the first place and Gekka Jasmine is how you romanize it

Fia

Topic Starter

Fia 2017-10-01T05:54:31+00:00

Delis wrote:
as long as the link lasse had is correct the title is stil missing smh? 月 must be added to the title in the first place and Gekka Jasmine is how you romanize it

~~Idk why the link is blocked here hmmm...~~ Anyway fixed it now. Correct title looks really better, thanks for informing!

pishifat

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pishifat 2017-10-01T06:18:56+00:00

vfcvnb

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-10-02T09:48:07+00:00